as far as your lower back is concerned this isn't any different than a deadlift. the lower back works isometrically to maintain the back angle, and shouldn't actually pull the weight. but it's a much lower weight than a deadlift, so if your lower back is the point of failure, you are doing it wrong.
these will build lower back strength/endurance, if you really can't do them, try yates rows or t bar rows until you build your lower back. you're strengthening your isometric hold so real any exercise where your back works to maintain posture will help
That's because you're using about twice as much weight as you would be able to row strict. You're supposed to stay about parallel to the floor thoughout the entire movement, with the bar touching the upper abs/sternum & the floor every repetition
What's getting you is the time under tension. If you're bent over holding a barbell and rowing it without resting, this is of course going to frick with your back, as it will have to do more work as the other muscles supporting this position fatigue.
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OP is a bot. Nobody hates rows that much to keep posting about it.
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As for your back problems, consider using a lower weight for the exercise and using it for higher reps. If you want the benefits of intensity/power whatever you wanna call it, try dead rows with the same weight. If you have back problems with other exercises stop scapegoating this one for your problems and get that shit figured out
suggested, do em in the "pendlay" style. Pull of the floor, then return it to the floor. You're gonna really work the upper back, and your core should be able to keep up with what's demanded of it.
I see these threads in the past and have written long, helpful replies about form that take effort. For some reason, either you or other people post the EXACT same thread with the exact same picrel, which means that it's likely just a shitpost where you have no intention of discussing it or reading peoples' responses in good faith. So there's zero point in talking about the exercise. Of all the pointless shitposts on this board, this is probably the most cancerous because it's not remotely funny, it's not a good meme, it kills another thread, and there's no meaningful discussion. Why do you keep posting this?
OP is a bot. Nobody hates rows that much to keep posting about it.
I have only ever felt this way doing this weird af lift. Scared of snap city and the predicted weight standards seem huge
As for your back problems, consider using a lower weight for the exercise and using it for higher reps. If you want the benefits of intensity/power whatever you wanna call it, try dead rows with the same weight. If you have back problems with other exercises stop scapegoating this one for your problems and get that shit figured out
>Nobody hates rows that much to keep posting about it.
There's been an anti-big 4 crusade going for the past months though and IMO barbell rows are an honorary member of the big 4. Makes sense that it also gets shit on.
dude right? it almost feels like bots. i swear theres the same 20 posts on this board over and over with just slight wording change and the same exact picture. but why?
this more than anything kills any meaningful discussion on the board because theres no point in responding in a way that isnt shitposting.
Believe it or not, AT LEAST 25% of IST is bots. Another 25% are NEETs and autistic spergs that shitpost all day.
Those are probably very liberal numbers too. Sites like twitter are more than 50%.
I must have short forearms since I can never get full range of motion doing this, so I do the objectively superior cable rows which always get me that sweet doms
This has more carryover to deadlifts but you need relatively lighter weight doing these.
Chest supported row machines are arguably the best in terms of purely developing your upper back.
>people complaining about their lower backs with this
That's the fricking reason I love them so much, because I can do them while putting zero stress on my lower back. You just need to have basic mobility to actually bend at the hips to go horizontal. I hate having the support the weight for the entire set in bent over rows so fricking much. I'd rather kill myself. Pendlays are easier to prevent your form from breaking down and cheating too.
No it isn't, you're just weak and gay.
Stop making excuses for your weakness and gayness, OP, it's embarrassing
>try to work upper back
>pull lower back
as far as your lower back is concerned this isn't any different than a deadlift. the lower back works isometrically to maintain the back angle, and shouldn't actually pull the weight. but it's a much lower weight than a deadlift, so if your lower back is the point of failure, you are doing it wrong.
how is it overrated if barely anyone does it?
This. For something to be overrated, it has to be rated highly. OP just has a particular bone to pick and is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Aren't these the ones where you are inviting men into your butthole.
No anon, that's gay sex.
yeah thats the one
and yet you keep making threads about it
curious
aka the only lift i can progress on
pantyboy at my gym
Cables and machines are all you need for a massive back
How do you workout your lower back it feels like it's gonna snap when I do this
Lift lighter.
Still, my lower back always feels very weak, is there any specific lifts to help it out or do I gotta do other shit for that
Do SLDLs after rowing
these will build lower back strength/endurance, if you really can't do them, try yates rows or t bar rows until you build your lower back. you're strengthening your isometric hold so real any exercise where your back works to maintain posture will help
I have only ever felt this way doing this weird af lift. Scared of snap city and the predicted weight standards seem huge
That's because you're using about twice as much weight as you would be able to row strict. You're supposed to stay about parallel to the floor thoughout the entire movement, with the bar touching the upper abs/sternum & the floor every repetition
What's getting you is the time under tension. If you're bent over holding a barbell and rowing it without resting, this is of course going to frick with your back, as it will have to do more work as the other muscles supporting this position fatigue.
As
suggested, do em in the "pendlay" style. Pull of the floor, then return it to the floor. You're gonna really work the upper back, and your core should be able to keep up with what's demanded of it.
I hated doing barbell rows. I dropped it in favor of seated rows without hurting my lower back
I see these threads in the past and have written long, helpful replies about form that take effort. For some reason, either you or other people post the EXACT same thread with the exact same picrel, which means that it's likely just a shitpost where you have no intention of discussing it or reading peoples' responses in good faith. So there's zero point in talking about the exercise. Of all the pointless shitposts on this board, this is probably the most cancerous because it's not remotely funny, it's not a good meme, it kills another thread, and there's no meaningful discussion. Why do you keep posting this?
>Why do you keep posting this?
OP is backlet & mad cause bad
OP is a bot. Nobody hates rows that much to keep posting about it.
As for your back problems, consider using a lower weight for the exercise and using it for higher reps. If you want the benefits of intensity/power whatever you wanna call it, try dead rows with the same weight. If you have back problems with other exercises stop scapegoating this one for your problems and get that shit figured out
>Nobody hates rows that much to keep posting about it.
There's been an anti-big 4 crusade going for the past months though and IMO barbell rows are an honorary member of the big 4. Makes sense that it also gets shit on.
dude right? it almost feels like bots. i swear theres the same 20 posts on this board over and over with just slight wording change and the same exact picture. but why?
this more than anything kills any meaningful discussion on the board because theres no point in responding in a way that isnt shitposting.
Believe it or not, AT LEAST 25% of IST is bots. Another 25% are NEETs and autistic spergs that shitpost all day.
Those are probably very liberal numbers too. Sites like twitter are more than 50%.
Nobody wants to admit that they need to lower the weight they can use for the row. It can be an awkward and humbling exercise for noobs.
>overrated
>im literally the only person in the whole country that does it
I must have short forearms since I can never get full range of motion doing this, so I do the objectively superior cable rows which always get me that sweet doms
This has more carryover to deadlifts but you need relatively lighter weight doing these.
Chest supported row machines are arguably the best in terms of purely developing your upper back.
>people complaining about their lower backs with this
That's the fricking reason I love them so much, because I can do them while putting zero stress on my lower back. You just need to have basic mobility to actually bend at the hips to go horizontal. I hate having the support the weight for the entire set in bent over rows so fricking much. I'd rather kill myself. Pendlays are easier to prevent your form from breaking down and cheating too.