Is natty lifting the biggest joke in all of humanity?

Is natty lifting the biggest joke in all of humanity?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not how it works

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the acute effects of taking steroids are enormous
      ppl will keep trying to pretend it's not real but it is

      acutely it is

      Notice how the group that frauded and lifted made the exact same amount of gains as the naturals who liften and the frauders who did nothing combined? Steroids literally just give you a free boost of mass and then does nothing.

      the steroids themselves are a stimulus, that's the point lol

      Steroids make you hold water/glycogen so muscles look and feel fuller. If you take roids and don’t life you will look worse than somebody who does lift and eat right

      broscience that has already been deconstructed by other studies showing no extracellular water weight gain with exogenous testosterone

      >If you take roids and don’t life you will look worse than somebody who does lift and eat right
      I want to see before/after pics of a person who just roids with no lifting.

      just look at the average hoodrat junkie on AIDS therapy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >broscience that has already been deconstructed by other studies showing no extracellular water weight gain with exogenous testosterone
        >what is aromatization
        Hilarious how these studies, at least the 600mg's study, didn't even have them take any AI while being on 600mg's. People that have actually ran cycles of test can attest to water retention. You lose a few kg pretty soon after discontinuing test, it's one of the reasons they cut out most of it close to a contest.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://sci-hub.st/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172
          subjects in this study did no training at all, the ones on testosterone gained more muscle and strength and got leaner the more they took
          no extracellular water weight gain detected
          what other explanation do you have for these results?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Roidtrannies will cope and seethe
            It’s their response every single time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's exactly how it works. Roids ARE the silver bullet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stop speaking facts bro these people aren't willing to learn

        So you don't lift, and don't know what you're talking about.
        >strength? both groups gained strength
        Did you read my post? Was it somehow unclear?
        If you gain 20 lbs on your squat in 12 weeks and then say 'this is proof natties can't make gains' you are actually only proving that your routine sucks.
        I don't know how to make this any clearer.

        why are you accusing and judging me over stating simple facts?
        >So you don't lift and don't know what you're talking about
        been training with naturals and users for basically 10 years
        >If you gain 20 lbs on your squat in 12 weeks and then say 'this is proof natties can't make gains' you are actually only proving that your routine sucks.
        that's not what I'm doing
        >I don't know how to make this any clearer.
        to be honest me neither
        all I know is that I am right in what I said
        what I don't understand is why you're so upset
        I am not saying you cannot build muscle naturally
        I am not saying to take steroids
        but steroids offer an insane advantage that you cannot make up for

        Totally worthless and pointless post. Why would you even write this?
        Neither of you actually addressed the very simple point I made.
        I called it "demoralizing" because he obviously doesn't lift or know anything about lifting and came in to try to convince people lifting is pointless.

        do you value truth or whatever makes you feel good?
        if you care so much about my personal lifting status it just tells me you are being emotional
        I never even doubted the fact that you lift weights, because I am confident in my stance

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Notice how the group that frauded and lifted made the exact same amount of gains as the naturals who liften and the frauders who did nothing combined? Steroids literally just give you a free boost of mass and then does nothing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steroids make you hold water/glycogen so muscles look and feel fuller. If you take roids and don’t life you will look worse than somebody who does lift and eat right

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you take roids and don’t life you will look worse than somebody who does lift and eat right
        I want to see before/after pics of a person who just roids with no lifting.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was a guy, IDK if I can find the pics.
          He basically looked like a huge fat baby.
          HUGE.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People on test that don’t lift are the ones on hormone assistance due to some endocrinology issue, hence the dosis is lower in comparison to the guys that use it for lifting. That’s why you’ll barely see people getting gainz. Yeah, they will claim his sex life improved and they feel focused and stuff but that’s all, go ask them to squat a LMAO1PL8 and laugh.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no unless you want to look like cheesy meat golem

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am in the bottom third of males when it comes to test in my age bracket. It's so fricking over for me.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I've seen these one issue that immediately stands out is that the lifting routine they do is terrible. So of course you won't make good gains doing some bad workout routine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Whenever I've seen these one issue that immediately stands out is that the lifting routine they do is terrible
      irrelevant because what makes a workout bad is for the most part subjective
      what isn't subjective is that the triceps cross section area gains were 7x higher in the non training enhanced group than the natural training group

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >irrelevant because what makes a workout bad is for the most part subjective
        You are a startling moron
        What makes a workout bad is lack of progress. Like gaining 20 lbs on your squat in 12 weeks or whatever they do. Which of course will result in small gains.
        I'm guessing you don't actually lift or know anything about lifting though and wandered in just to demoralize.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What makes a workout bad is lack of progress
          progress in what?
          strength? both groups gained strength
          or do you mean actual muscle gains? because all groups except for the naturals that didn't train gained muscle

          so according to your own standards this study wasn't terrible
          you just don't like the results
          >wandered in just to demoralize
          truth fears no investigation

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you don't lift, and don't know what you're talking about.
            >strength? both groups gained strength
            Did you read my post? Was it somehow unclear?
            If you gain 20 lbs on your squat in 12 weeks and then say 'this is proof natties can't make gains' you are actually only proving that your routine sucks.
            I don't know how to make this any clearer.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What with zoomers and calling reality demoralizing? Frick you you fricking little shit. Get your bench up to 160lbs then you can start complaining, until then STFU while adults are speaking.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Totally worthless and pointless post. Why would you even write this?
            Neither of you actually addressed the very simple point I made.
            I called it "demoralizing" because he obviously doesn't lift or know anything about lifting and came in to try to convince people lifting is pointless.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For /fit, yeah. For 90% of lifters out there, no.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what is water retention
    kys moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what is huh... le water retention
      a made up phenomenon that has been debunked over and over again?
      the same bullshit that roiders cling to in order to deny the fact the gains they get from testosterone are all contractile muscle + organ growth?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no thanks, I don't want to look 20 years older than I am

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's really funny when roiders and wannabe roiders try to pretend that study doesn't exist (cope) and say that roids without training don't do anything, as if the reason people take roids isn't to gain muscle. They're such fricking idiots.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh great this thread again. The size is due to water and glycogen retention. Anyone who has used will tell you that. Unlike what morons on here will tell you, you actually keep most of your muscle and strength gains from a cycle. But you lose the pumped up look that comes from increased water retention (incidentally also what makes users look older. The water also often bloats your face and gives the appearance of jowls) and glycogen, so you’ll look smaller than when you’re on. The strength gains are interesting. I personally do not remotely believe your squat will go up 40 pounds if you take steroids and sit on your ass. Maybe if you’re untrained. But I didn’t monitor the study and there are far fewer examples of people doing that so I can’t really say

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The size is due to water and glycogen retention
      any water and glycogen gain would be derived from net muscle gain, because muscle itself has water
      >Anyone who has used will tell you that
      bodybuilding broscience is easy to make up but also easy to disprove
      sometimes it is true sometimes it is not
      the only "water retention" that could be derived from shooting up testosterone is inflammation from the shot itself not the hormone, only some people experience any sort of bloat
      >the strength gains are interesting
      yeah, all derived from contractile tissue gain since no motor coordination or skill acquisition gains took place
      > I personally do not remotely believe your squat will go up 40 pounds if you take steroids and sit on your ass.
      well it's what happened
      >Maybe if you’re untrained
      the subjects in the study were considered "experienced" but they were obviously newbies judging by their strength
      their baseline squat was around 105-130kg
      their baseline bench was around 88-109kg
      they would gain strength if they gained muscle, which is what happened

      >that difference in tricep

      It all makes sense now.
      The triceps themselves aren't that huge and there's no proper practical use for massive triceps, same with hamstrings.

      Yet they are a clear massive area for frauds.

      to be fair the only tricep exercise was the bench press
      bench press isn't exactly a great triceps builder
      if the natural group that trained did some tricep extensions the differences would probably be way smaller

      but yes it shows that people that take steroids grow muscles that they don't even train all that well

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t get why you midwits do this. All you get out of it is a feeling of superiority despite being wrong and you’ll never get anywhere as a result. Whatever floats your boat

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t get why you midwits do this. All you get out of it is a feeling of superiority despite being wrong and you’ll never get anywhere as a result. Whatever floats your boat

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the subjects in the study were considered "experienced" but they were obviously newbies judging by their strength
        >their baseline squat was around 105-130kg
        >their baseline bench was around 88-109kg
        What the frick are you talking about? Those squat numbers are about right for intermediate lifters and those bench numbers are impressive for intermediates.
        https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/bench-press/kg
        https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/squat/kg

        Are you moronic?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you are literally strengthening my point, that even "trained" lifters(squatted more than them on my first week of lifting lol) with complete cessation of training gain muscle and strength by shooting up testosterone

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not the person you were arguing with before, I just thought you were absolutely moronic for suggesting that these were noobs. They're on the upper end of lifters who aren't pushing pro

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >not the person you were arguing before
              why are you replying to me then
              >I just thought
              I don't care what you think
              I'm right and you're wrong
              2-2.5 plate squat for an 1RM is nothing, did that on my first week of lifting
              and you trying to push that those subjects were on the "upper end" of lifters who "aren't pushing pro" only proves my point, or did you miss that too?
              jflol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wow:
                >moronic
                >homosexual
                >lying
                The timeless classic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wow
                you're all those lol

                >"outed"
                >anonymous
                pick one, moron

                least pathetic roidsimp

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no, u
                lol
                lmao, even
                rofl, in fact

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The size is due to water and glycogen retention.
      >grasp grasp grasp, give me ALL the straws
      This research has been done many times over by now. They also check lean musclemass and most importantly - they do strength tests. Just admit roids are magic and a massive cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The size is due to water and glycogen retention
        any water and glycogen gain would be derived from net muscle gain, because muscle itself has water
        >Anyone who has used will tell you that
        bodybuilding broscience is easy to make up but also easy to disprove
        sometimes it is true sometimes it is not
        the only "water retention" that could be derived from shooting up testosterone is inflammation from the shot itself not the hormone, only some people experience any sort of bloat
        >the strength gains are interesting
        yeah, all derived from contractile tissue gain since no motor coordination or skill acquisition gains took place
        > I personally do not remotely believe your squat will go up 40 pounds if you take steroids and sit on your ass.
        well it's what happened
        >Maybe if you’re untrained
        the subjects in the study were considered "experienced" but they were obviously newbies judging by their strength
        their baseline squat was around 105-130kg
        their baseline bench was around 88-109kg
        they would gain strength if they gained muscle, which is what happened
        [...]
        to be fair the only tricep exercise was the bench press
        bench press isn't exactly a great triceps builder
        if the natural group that trained did some tricep extensions the differences would probably be way smaller

        but yes it shows that people that take steroids grow muscles that they don't even train all that well

        >some nerds read read read about something but have no practical real world experience in the subject
        MANY such cases. Why do you think doctors do clinicals and aren’t just granted their license right out of med school? Because real world experience is vital to being proficient at something.

        You’re like the homosexuals who argue on IST about theory but they never PRACTICE.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MUH SUPER DUPER BASED REAL WORLD BROSCIENCE DEBUNKS LE FAKE ONIONS SCIENCE
          you have nothing to base your opinion on

          >no, u
          lol
          lmao, even
          rofl, in fact

          >you are le dumb!
          no you are
          >WOW DID YOU JUST... SAY I'M LE DUMB INSTEAD?!

          jflmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have personal anecdotal experience in the matter. When “studies” contradict my lived experience, I’m skeptical of the studies. Simple as.

            https://sci-hub.st/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172
            subjects in this study did no training at all, the ones on testosterone gained more muscle and strength and got leaner the more they took
            no extracellular water weight gain detected
            what other explanation do you have for these results?

            Intracellular water is gained. If you let your estrogen run rampant you will get bloated. You don’t just take steroids and get lean lol, that’s not how it works. It’s still 80% diet but on roids the biggest benefit is you can be sloppy with your diet.

            You have no experience with the matter SO your opinion is irrelevant. You can find a study to support or refute anything, and individual studies don’t matter. A meta analysis of many studies is the only thing that matters.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that difference in tricep

    It all makes sense now.
    The triceps themselves aren't that huge and there's no proper practical use for massive triceps, same with hamstrings.

    Yet they are a clear massive area for frauds.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lifting in general is a meme. The muscles that you have besides the ones that make you functional are useless in the modern world. The moment you have more strength than you need to function in your daily life everything else is for fun or vanity.
    Steroids are that principle taken to an autistic extreme. Instead of putting in effort and getting health benefits as a positive side effect instead you frick your health and your hairline over just to look jacked while you're young.
    But the worst part of all of this is that the results aren't guaranteed lmao. The averages are inflated by high responders and people with no prior experience but for many people it's impossible to even tell that they're juicing because the results are so poor.

    The only good reason to juice is if you're elite, you've already capped out your body's natural potential and you're competing for a title. For everyone else the tradeoffs aren't worth it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Marines need a minimal level of msuculature and stamina doe.
      Also raw muscle mass has health benefits like increasing basal metabolic rate, and studies have shown that it protects against cancer. Stop being such a bitter dyel brah.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also raw muscle mass has health benefits like increasing basal metabolic rate
        a pound of muscle raises bmr by about 6 kcal/day.
        Put on 10lbs of muscle and you can eat a whole extra slice of bread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Marines need a minimal level of msuculature and stamina doe.
        Yes, and almost everyone can achieve that level of muscularity and stamina natty.
        Being a marine also completely fricks up your joints and spine long term most of the time.
        >Also raw muscle mass has health benefits
        Not intrinsically, not endlessly and not above what most people can achieve natty.
        Extra mass period puts more stress on your heart and being able to "eat more food" isn't even a fricking health benefit dumbass. More mass also categorically means more cancer, moron.

        >Stop being such a bitter dyel brah.
        Illiterate moron.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >natty, low test
    >sits around all day and sometimes beats his chest for cultural reasons
    >has 40 plate bench press

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >has 40 plate bench press
      10-15 most likely

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is natty lifting the biggest joke in all of humanity
    No, being non-white is.

    Natty lifting is ideal for health, longevity, and practical, lithe strength.
    Trooning is for comical, uncanny fragility.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh look another thread where moronic natty dyels who never touched a steroid or a barbell tells everyone what steriods do because they saw a graph from a study they didnt even read and wouldnt understand if they did.
    But OP is just trolling anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based moronic roidsimp outing himself because he senses his ego was attacked

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"outed"
        >anonymous
        pick one, moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          stop it, you makes us roidheads look more stupid than we already are

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            now OP is larping as a roider.
            This whole thread is very low effort.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              didn't knew paranoia was also a side-effect of pinning

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Again, this is all so obviously stupid. Most of these studies have people doing useless bullshit routines. Obviously you can gain more taking steroids than you can doing a useless bullshit routine. What is that supposed to prove?

      This. OP literally outed himself as a nonlifter. He said one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while
      >what makes a workout bad is for the most part subjective
      Only someone with no clue or personal experience could say something like that.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For genetic dead ends like you yes

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Moderate roid use is based (unless you're using them to cheat in sports against natties).

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Natties literally score higher on strength than juicy dyels tho. They just have bigger muscles due to water retention.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actual test or any anabolics?
    It's no different than Ozempic, enjoy taking it for the rest of your life.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can just come off of it, an anavar only cycle for example doesn't cause any dependence.

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