is obesity a choice?

science based manlet says no

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >science

    disregarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >disregarded.
      science: black people have lower IQs than white people
      WTF I love and believe in science now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Science will never do that again because it would be against the people paying them.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    even worse than a choise, a sequence of bad choices... they had hundreds of opportunities to choose something healthier but no, the condemned themselves, fuck fatties

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >brainlet thinks people choose something based on what they say, rather than what they do

    Many such cases

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is shrimppard a scientist?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why yes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >passion for science

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >bachelor's degree
        >scientist
        cringe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've a Bsc in Biochemistry and I still don't have a job. I live with my parents. Living with my parents waiting for the inheritance money so I can start a business.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don't wait on external factors to start living your life.
          This is the path to "learned helplessness", and a wasted life full of regrets.

          That inheritance should never be your Plan A.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            True. I used to read a lot of stories and almost all of them have something occur to the protagonist that he then responds to. This kinda mentality had me waiting around for something to happen to me and it got me very depressed when it didn’t. Luckily I got well sick of that during my late teens

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This.
            The longer you wait, the more learning origins you miss.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              *opportunities
              Sorry, mobile-fag using flowtype here

              Holy shit, I'm a spastic. Please disregard my advice.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >waiting for the inheritance money so I can start a business.
          do you have any feelings for your parents?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >passion for science
        Oh to be an undergrad again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          he is 31 you gluesniffing tard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but has not discovered a way to grow taller.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it was a choice, people wouldn't choose to be obese, because it sucks. Ergo, it's not a choice QED

      No, but IST should think so, because IST also thinks that googling for random studies and posting single links qualifies as science.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it isn't a choice, but multiple tiny choices
        so yes, in total it comes down to choice

        the question itself is phrased poorly, because it implies there is a singular choice being made, which leads to obesity

        it is roughly 600 choices of donuts, sugar in coffee etc. which lead to someone becoming fat over two years
        600 easy choices to avoid

        now for pre puberty children this is a whole other issue
        but for obese adults it is their fault and their fault alone

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If your tyrosine hydroxylase is fucked up you'd literally starve to death because it would be too hard for you to get enough motivation to eat sufficient amounts. Is starving to death a choice too in that case?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are asian gfs a choice for us whites?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes and asian women are ugly insectoids. At least go for a latina or something.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >latina
        >better than asian kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          unironically yes

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    brord says pic rel is why

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like a bunch of excuses
      >im fat but it isnt my fault
      >because i was hungry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >metabolic rate
      eat less
      >hunger
      eat less insulin spike inducing shit
      also eat less
      >medications
      hen and egg
      also eat less (unironically caloric restriction linked to betterment with depression and various other conditions)
      >neuroendocrine
      literally what
      >pregnancy
      eat less
      I pumped two kids into my ex and she is still pre pregnancy weight over 7 years later
      >menopause
      who cares for infertile hags?
      >physical disabilities
      can't move? eat even less
      >food enviroment
      literally just buy less
      >socioeconomic factors
      poor? great, buy less food then eat less
      >marketing
      just look away, lol, like close your eyes
      and then your mouth
      >social factors
      eat less
      then tell your fat family to eat less
      >workplace factors
      same as above
      >sleep &stress
      hen and egg, fat people sleep worse and are constantly stressed from all the shit being caught in their orbit
      >depression
      see medications

      eat
      fucking
      less

      it's that simple
      I totally get how they get fat
      looking at food being sold being almost 90% carbs and sugars I am well aware HOW they get fat
      everyone can get fat on a carb/sugar based surplus everyday over some years
      but the same applies to reversing the effect

      no one has the guts to tell fat people that it takes years of eating less to reverse the development, that took place over years

      also fuck that overcompensating manlet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Based, literally stop eating goyslop and drinking calories. Fast here and there and drink water. It's not hard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ">food enviroment
        literally just buy less"

        retard how do you buy less if you are a kid and your fat fuck parents stuff you with 3000 calories worth of junk food when you dont even know at that age what the fuck calories are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you still a kid fatso?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nah and never was but you can see ton of kids with fat fuck parents who stuff them, so its not a choice for them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no one has the guts to tell fat people that it takes years of eating less to reverse the development, that took place over years
        the main problem isn't just that it'd take them years; it's that they're treating weight-loss like a one time thing and they wouldn't be able to stop eating junk food forever so they will often gain the weight back again
        they don't get that they've got to walk the fat off they've gotten over the years and stop eating this shit right now and forever

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you are disabled or have a medical condition, you chose not to work harder. Simple as.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he is fundamentally not wrong, but almost all of the factors can be summed up with pic related

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He is right you know…

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The metabolic rate of your body will change if you exercise or change your eating habits

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    really lost a lot of respect for him on this one. clear pandering to the lefties/fatties, and the study he refers to is junk and he highly misrepresents it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I am convinced it’s junk food corporations larping as SJWs. They gave up on healthy alternative product angels and are spouting new BS. What a brilliant ploy by the likes of Coca-Cola and McDonald’s

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously corporations decide what is morally right in your country (assuming you're an american) that's why they want you to be a fat retard who consumes streaming and social media all day.
        Who else profits from people being fat retards except the ones selling you the goyslop and the retarded social media and streaming services?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I am convinced it’s junk food corporations larping as SJWs.
        the sjw's are all usefull idiots, the entire structure of the ideology is built with esg scores (Environmental, Social and Governance) in mind. corps use esg scores to do deals with each other and offset their less moral activities.
        >ex
        >company uses products made with slave labor from central african plantations and uhiger factories
        >score lowers
        >Company puts up rainbow flag on on western social media for pride month
        >score raises
        >Company says toddlers should be able to cut their dicks off and take female hormones, causing large amounts of medical problems later in life and that parents who dont let them go through with this are evil
        >score raises enough to offset literal slavery
        corps that rely on more deals with other companies, like media companies, do this shit more often, especially during acquisitions and mergers. WWE for instance, is kinda kept alive from their ad deals they got from womens events. And Gillette was looking to be bought out by the time they made that toxic masculinity add.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldnt this mean that its a good thing to realise that these companies are at fault for obesity in the western world? The healthy at every size movement almost seems to try and detract people from coming after these companies, whereas videos like nippard's show that the food environment is destroying western health.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >(Science Explained)

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sigh. This shit again. Listen, hip size isn’t a choose but stomach size and waist size are a choice. Both are literally fixed with good diet and exercising

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a choice with complications. If you make shitty food decisions and stay sedentary you'll be more likely to make another of that class of decisions. In another vein, if you eat good foods and exercise you'll be likely to make a good decision in the future. It's kind of like a sigmodal curve, where if you make 75% of the effort you'll get 95% of the results.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on how you define choice. If you gave them a genie they would choose to not be obese but also they choose to not sacrifice food and free time to not be obese.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >science
    after all this "post study" nonsense I think it's time to return to monke
    Fat? eat less food
    Weak? train more
    No gf? socialize more

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Fat? eat less food
      >Weak? train more
      >No gf? socialize more
      based

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's true. Most people do not have agency or suffering tolerance to will themselves from obese to fit; and these psychological qualities are largely heritably and immutable. Given an unprecedented abundance of food, they'll eat themselves into a sphere - no matter how bad it makes them feel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      blah blah blah just read atomic habits and get rid of one bad habit at a time by replacing it with a healthier one. In just a few years of doing this (which takes very low amount of efforts) you'll be healthier than 99.99% of the world population.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Retard, the point is people used to just be fit by eating what was a available easy, and living a normal active lifestyle. Now the only people who are normal bodyfat are dyels that wouldve been Auschwitz mode 50yrs ago, or people with above-average willpower

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PUT THE COOKIE DOWN

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      put the spoon down too, ice cream and peanut butter lards i'm talking to you.

      >Captcha: Y2KRH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's an unintended consequence for people who effortlessly stuff themselves full of food.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is manlethood a choice?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Science says: “grow grow grow”

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I stopped following him seriously. He eats like a college kid who can’t cook (suHispanicious), roids are legal in Canada, he hangs out with roiders and defends them, his sumo deadlift video and obesity video I didn’t watch but I don’t need to.
    His entire schtick is making simple shit complicated. I pirated his books and found them not that useful and didn’t do them.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends what you mean.
    Some people can remain skinny with zero effort because their appetite is small and they feel full very quickly but these people will also have trouble bulking or can go the other way and become under weight.

    Other people will struggle because even though it is possible from them to lose weight, their body will fight against it as hard as possible and not give up for example by not releasing satiety hormones until they have eaten surplus calories for the day or reducing energy expenditure by reducing NEAT (non exercise calorie burning) whenever possible.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's extremely hard not to be obese in a world of easy access food and jobs that often mean high stress and low movement. That said it's still a choice.

    I've been a fatty my whole life, never blamed anyone but me.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ultimately, yes. But there are factors that may reduce culpability, like genetics and environment. If a normal person struggles not to eat themselves to death in a given environment, you need to look and see if something else is going on there.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I literally do not understand how people become obese. I have/had an absolute garbage diet. I was often eating fast food like every day but not every meal. Lots of processed foods though and I still only managed to get to the line for overweight for my BMI. How the absolute fuck are people going over even 200 pounds? I literally cannot comprehend that. My body throttles me and I get acid reflux or full at a certain point. I literally cannot conceptualize it, which is what makes me think "oh this person really really really didn't give a fuck" but I KNOW there's shit food out there but at the same time obesity doesn't seem physically possible even though I see it everywhere. It's a constant puzzle I wonder about. Like I want to see the data through the years that led them here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just eat 50 too many calories a day every day for 10 years, also basically this
      >My body throttles me
      doesn't happen to most people/especially fatsos probably

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not even 50, because that’ll only bump ur weight 10 lb max before u stabilize at a new weight, probably not even. You have to be eating thousands of calories over the limit each day, and increasing each day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I literally do not understand how people become obese.
      It's genetics I think, many fat peoples bodies are optimized to hyper-convert the food they eat into adipose tissue, much more so than a normal person.
      That's why they seemingly effortlessly balloon to 400lbs+. Their bodies are just continuously laying down fat from everything they eat.

      I was always slim and lean with abs for the first 20 years of my life. Then I started trying to bulk up as heavy as possible. The heaviest I got over the next 25 years was 77kg (170lbs) at 5'10.
      The amount of food I was eating was ridiculous, just stuffing my face until I feel like puking everyday. I can't comprehend how people get over 200lbs t my height, let alone 300 and 400. It just doesn't make sense to me apart from acknowledging its genetics.
      Maybe I have worms inside me that eat all my food. or my body just converts all the food into energy. And obese people convert all the food into body fat due to genetics. Like their mitochondria are screwed up and can't burn energy so just store the energy as fat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My sister was always around 60 kg. Then over the course of a year or two she started ballooning up to 80kg. She couldn't figure out why because she didn't chance her diet or exercise. So she went to the doctor and they did tests and found she was going into early menopause and all her hormones were fucked up. So she got prescribed HRT and since she has already dropped 10 kg down to 70 kg, same calories and exercise. So there's more to it than calories in calories out.

        Look at bodybuilders on tren and GH, they can eat massive quantities of junk food and stay shredded, but if they come off they gain fat really fast with the same calories. Calories in calories out doesn't seem to work.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Calories in calories out doesn't seem to work.
          Yeah CICO is autistic masturbation. Body composition is a neuro endocrine paradigm.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cico does work and is the absolute basic principle everything comes down to, but it is not as simple as fags try to make it out (food goes in and exercise). Hormones and physiology in general have a huge influence on the ci and on the co. I know a guy who has a defect which makes him unable to digest fat (lacking the hormone to split up the fat or sth), so his ci is highly impacted and very hard to put in simple numbers

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            *opportunities
            Sorry, mobile-fag using flowtype here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      somewhere out there an obese person is thinking the exact same thing as you but in reverse. so i guess obesity isn't a choice for you then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i am feeling and reacting to things THIS way
      >how come other people react to things different way?
      >i do not understand!
      You are literally a brain dead fucking moron. There's really nothing more to say because you have a pea sized (and dead) brain. You should be under supervision 24/7.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How the absolute fuck are people going over even 200 pounds
      confirmed manlet, get in the pit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my parwents let us drink gallons of chocolate milk and soda a week. i had stretch marks at 8 years old on my thighs

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure nobody chooses to become obese.
    Then again they don't wake up one day and suddenly realise they've become obese. Or do they?
    Whatever the case, staying obese is obviously a choice. If you're too stupid to fix your diet and too weak to go hungry, well, maybe you should die.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He says that because he wants obese retards to buy his supplements and shit.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >listening to vshred
    i shiggy dig

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I heroin addiction a choice? Very much so.
    Now you can excuse and rationalize why you made such a choice, and then proceed using, but at the end of the day it was the choice you made.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you've been given heroine since birth, it makes shit a whole lot harder. Not impossible, but definitely harder.

      https://i.imgur.com/TkuuCFa.jpg

      science based manlet says no

      (OP)
      I don't know how someone could be a twink and lift for "le aesthetics" when in reality they cannot gain weight necessary to actually put up real weight. It works the same way for fat people. The same way you and your 5'10 160 lbs frame struggling to gain a lb, some people's bodies wants to naturally be fat, its called shit genetics. Not an excuse to be fat, obviously, but the concept is not hard to understand.

      Heres a thought exercise, lets say you stop lifting and eat the worst shit you could imaginable. How much would you weigh before you literally couldn't gain anymore weight? 250? 350? 450? The most I've been was 360 at 6'3 due to injury and being out of physically intensive work. I gained 60lbs over the course of 4-6 months, and I was approaching the plateau. Id say I could make it to 400-450 before I literally couldnt eat to keep up with tdee. There are "people" who could easily pass 600. I have bad weight genetics, but I could never be 500 lbs+, let alone 600. Different side of the same coin, I know dudes who are 6ft who will never be 200lbs naturally despite forcing themselves to eat icecream and Mcdonalds as much as they could.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > If you've been given heroine since birth, it makes shit a whole lot harder. Not impossible, but definitely harder.
        I absolutely agree with that. Yet the point still stands. Obesity is an addiction just like any other, psychologically and physiologically. While it wasn't you who got you addicted in this case, to continue to use is your and only your choice.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Its either A or B
    Life is never that simple, its both a choice and a product of genetics. One can outweigh the other but there are many factors at play. Obesity is most often a behavioral issue which in turns effects physiology.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That dude is like 5'4"

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Murder is not a choice. Someone made you angry so you naturally killed him. You are innocent.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is he implying that eating goyslop is an obligation?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the duty of every American o7

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      basically. based rabbi jeff making it clear to the viewers they are just cattle made to graze on goyslop for the rest of their lives. don't forget to buy his 50$ program even if you'll be obese forever btw

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a choice. The fact that it's an often inevitable consequence of eating modern foods doesn't change the fact that eating modern foods is a choice. Thought this thread was a troll but we actually have a ton of midwits.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Science explained
    Literally a opinion piece.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't my choice until my abusive family lost control of me.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How can this manlet say no if you were put on an Island with 1000 calories a day limit you would not get obease , being a fat fuck isn't a choice it constant choices of not moving and eating huge amounts of calories

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody wants to be obese, but we all know the consequences of eating too much high calorie foods.
    Its extremely complicated but lets say its a combination of many things.
    A fatty with imnense willpower will get fit but it wont be easy.
    A skelly with 0 willpower simply doesnt have as much desire to eat,its not like he has to resist an urge.
    A fatty with average human willpower,its over, he will stay fat forever or get even fatter.
    We are all slaves to our desires,some of us are just stronger than others.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget that this retarded shit benefits you.
    You will look better than the men that believe they can't change themselves and that being fat is not a choice and you will be able to filter the women that are below 100 IQ just by looking at them.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He is 5'5, opinion disregarded

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He’s 5’3 at best. He used to claim 5’3 then started height frauding to claim 5’5.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Being fat is not a choice. Go ahead and have that cheeseburger combo with a milkshake. Being fat is genetic anyway.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used to think it was but I’ve met a lot of fat people over the years and not a single one of them was fat for no reason.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This
      Every fatass I’ve met knows nothing about portion sizes or nutritional information and eats whatever whenever

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Obesity isn't a choice people say "Yes" to exactly as much as it is people lack the strength and discipline to say "No" to it.
    People are weak. They eat and eat and eat, then get fat. When the majority of >people realize the problem they either:
    >A - Disregard it, they are "perfectly healthy" and continue their gross habits
    >B - Admit it, but are too weak to change, and continue their gross habits
    >C - Embrace it, and gleefully continue their gross habits
    Rarely do people actually have the willpower to make a change and stick with it. Kudos to the few that do.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is choosing to eat X fatty foods a choice?

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    obesity is obviously not a choice because aside from weird fetishists nobody is fat voluntarily
    stuffing your face with garbage and sitting on your ass all day is a choice

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    brord also compares the futility of losing weight to accumulating wealth, not realizing that the former deals with excess while the latter deals with a deficit.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I HECKIN' LOVE SOJENCE!!!

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