Is protein highly overrated for muscle growth? Can I just eat at a surplus on carbs and fat mostly?

Is protein highly overrated for muscle growth? Can I just eat at a surplus on carbs and fat mostly?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Muscle cells, excluding water, are made out of what?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nitrogenous molecules
      It's over for OP

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is kind overrated in the sense that you don't need to be eating like 200+ g of it every day

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah protein is pretty overrated .5-.6g per lb of body weight is honestly enough. Anyone telling you that you need more is a loser who is crying over the grams of muscle in the long run

      0.6g-0.8g per pound of bodyweight unless you're obese. Make up the rest of your calories with fat and carbs

      When did we go from 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight to .5 or whatever? Is this because food is more expensive now or is it because people are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to eat a lot?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Every long term study they've done on protein intake showed no benefit above around 0.75g/pound per day and around 0.6g/pound was the lowest effective amount. 1g-1.5g turned out to be a protein supplement company psyops to get people to overeat protein to the point that it'd be next to impossible to get it all in without their supplements

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because you have never needed 1.5g/p moronic, you got scammed by supplement companies
        >the work it takes to eat a lot
        Look at this dude

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >When did we go from 1-1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight
        You mean when did it go from 0.5 to 1-1.5?

        Studies show time and time again that 0.6-0.75 is the maximum your body uses. Anything more is 100% a waste.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you acting like 1 & 1.5g are the same thing lmao
        Also nobody serious is saying 0.5g. 0.8g is the recommendation now

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28698222/

          >Data from 49 studies with 1863 participants showed that dietary protein supplementation significantly (all p<0.05) increased changes (means (95% CI)) in: strength-one-repetition-maximum (2.49 kg (0.64, 4.33)), FFM (0.30 kg (0.09, 0.52)) and muscle size-muscle fibre cross-sectional area (CSA; 310 µm2 (51, 570)) and mid-femur CSA (7.2 mm2 (0.20, 14.30)) during periods of prolonged RET. The impact of protein supplementation on gains in FFM was reduced with increasing age (-0.01 kg (-0.02,-0.00), p=0.002) and was more effective in resistance-trained individuals (0.75 kg (0.09, 1.40), p=0.03). Protein supplementation beyond total protein intakes of 1.62 g/kg/day resulted in no further RET-induced gains in FFM.

          1.62grams of protein per kg converted into lbs is 0.7

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28698222/

          >Data from 49 studies with 1863 participants showed that dietary protein supplementation significantly (all p<0.05) increased changes (means (95% CI)) in: strength-one-repetition-maximum (2.49 kg (0.64, 4.33)), FFM (0.30 kg (0.09, 0.52)) and muscle size-muscle fibre cross-sectional area (CSA; 310 µm2 (51, 570)) and mid-femur CSA (7.2 mm2 (0.20, 14.30)) during periods of prolonged RET. The impact of protein supplementation on gains in FFM was reduced with increasing age (-0.01 kg (-0.02,-0.00), p=0.002) and was more effective in resistance-trained individuals (0.75 kg (0.09, 1.40), p=0.03). Protein supplementation beyond total protein intakes of 1.62 g/kg/day resulted in no further RET-induced gains in FFM.

          1.62grams of protein per kg converted into lbs is 0.7

          Now show me your scientific study where it tells you to have 1.5g per lb

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There was a huge compilation of meta-analyses that I read and wish I saved that showed no real benefits above 0.7g of protein per pound of bodyweight per day for bodybuilding and strength training. It's the same one that gave people the suggestion to eat 25g+ of protein 5-6 times per day with especially large men needing 40g+ per meal.
        Also reading the studies they used made me realize that protein needs don't change past baseline. When noobs were used the optimal protein was near 0.75g per pound, but after 2 years of lifting, it dropped to 0.6g-0.65g per pound. Assuming stable fat mass and tracking estimated LBM gains the amount of protein you'd need to make optimal gains doesn't change much from baseline at all. If you need 150g on day one you'll still need 150g on day one thousand

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The study has been posted above.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        When people started to realize that the 1-1.5g/lb idea came from 'studies' paid for by supplement companies.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you will get muscle strength rather than getting bigger moron you still need protein to build muscle

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah protein is pretty overrated .5-.6g per lb of body weight is honestly enough. Anyone telling you that you need more is a loser who is crying over the grams of muscle in the long run

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    0.6g-0.8g per pound of bodyweight unless you're obese. Make up the rest of your calories with fat and carbs

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    protein itself is not overrated, it's well studied and known to be highly beneficial for muscle growth
    people have problems agreeing on the correct amount to eat

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You still need like 100g of protein

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm eating around 50-60g at 70kg bodyweight and I see no difference.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You are likely a fat c**t. When you have more muscle you will need more to sustain it.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the 0.8-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight is definitely bullshit, about half that should be sufficient for most lifters
    i think it's a conspiracy on the part of fitness influencers to sell their protein powder

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the 0.8-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight is definitely bullshit, about half that should be sufficient for most lifters
      >i think it's a conspiracy on the part of fitness influencers to sell their protein powder
      read the fricking thread

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >engage in my nerd discussion rather than offer OP your own opinion
        no thank you

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Your opinion is backed by nothing.

          Source :it came to me in a dream

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            my opinion is based on personal experience, if i eat 100 grams of protein a day i get stable gains, if i eat 150+ grams i get fat and the gains don't come any quicker

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              purely anecdotal
              thanks for posting

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >anecdotal is worthless
                m8 if you expect all your life advice to come from watertight peer-reviewed studies you're going to drown in your own autism

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he forgets that case studies exist which are 100% anecdotal
                The rule of the individual is king for fitness

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >if i eat 150+ grams i get fat and the gains don't come any quicker
              The 150 grams is not because you ate an extra 50 grams of protein, it was because of the calories. moron poster.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i'm aware of that for god's sake, i'm just saying it only contributes to excess calories

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                they're not excess calories if they're factored into your macros

                >anecdotal is worthless
                m8 if you expect all your life advice to come from watertight peer-reviewed studies you're going to drown in your own autism

                I could find 100 spergs that have the complete opposite experience to the 100lb anon

                protein: 1g/1lb
                fats: enough so that your sex hormones aren't fricked 60-100g, individualised
                carbs: adjust as needed based upon your total calorie goal
                simple as

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >protein: 1g/1lb
                absolute rubbish unless you're a hardcore competitive bodybuilder

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Probably has more to do with eating more overall anon unless that extra 50% of protein intake came from nothing.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Protein is necessary for muscle growth you fat moron

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is, but you still need it.

    The rule of thumb 1g per lb overrates protein pretty severely (unless you weigh, like, 40kgs), but you still need it for hypertrophy.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never ate above 1.5g/kg and fully plant based
    still a lot progress, about 22 months since started training and avg 0.6kg muscle mass gain per month

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