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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looks like he has good genetics which is why he looks so good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, he has great genetics that he injects into his ass muscle every week.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He could have been lifting throughout his teens and left to right would be believable as a 1-year progress but the shoulders look sus to me

      yes you fricking dyels, try lifting for more than 8 months before making stupid threads

      yall deluded af the dude is taller and juicier than zyzz lmalmalpacamao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Zyzz was a WoW skinnyfat twink throughout his teens

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        zyzz was leaner and bigger you twat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Zyzz peak physique is attainable naturally though. FFMI of 24.67 (height 6'1", weight ~200, bf 8%)
        He looks aesthetic due to his genetics. Perfect symmetrical 6pack abs, square chest, low bicep insertions, with excellent shoulder to waist proportions.

        The problem with these discussions is that there are two points of contention. One, is the person in question actually natural or not, which depends on many factors like their work ethic, integrity, etc. Two, is the physique presented in the photo naturally achievable, given the prerequisite genetics, discipline, training regime and diet. Idc about this reddit gay but his physique is achievable. Obviously 99% of normie gymrats are never gonna achieve that shit, they're never even gonna get to 12% bodyfat once in their entire life

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Zyzz was not 200 pounds shredded.

          He was around 185 when shredded and 190-200~ while bulking.

          there's no way someone can be of that size while being 200 pounds 8% body fat. He's too small.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're probably right, that was an estimate I found online of his peak stats. There isn't really any solid proof of his peak stats so who knows. 185-190 shredded at his height is certainly achievable natural. Point is, an FFMI of up to 25 is possible while being shredded. Might be extremely difficult to build and maintain

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, for someone who's 5'9 and wants to be 12% bodyfat the absolute heaviest he can be naturally is around 185-190 (25 FFMI)

              But that's with great genetics. Most people can probably only achieve 23-24 FFMI which is still really good but not 25.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nta
          I understand you're saying Zyzz's physique is attainable natty regardless of the fact that Zyzz died to not being natty (and other factors)
          but come on anon, you are literally using a famously juiced physique and insisting its possible, its hard to take you seriously

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yes I am
            you cannot look like Ronnie Coleman naturally
            you can look like zyzz depending on genetics
            simple as

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        zyzz had like 3 years training worth of size. the only remarkable thing about him was his bodyfat%. Natty physique, he just took the shortcut to get there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ehh.. 3 years training worth of size? I'd say more unless you mean 3 years of perfect training, perfect diet/macros with small surplus, perfect sleep, etc etc...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he's a little bigger than I remember but not much, definitely nowhere near un-natty in terms of strictly his size.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. Embarrassing.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He could have been lifting throughout his teens and left to right would be believable as a 1-year progress but the shoulders look sus to me

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No real way to know, of course, but absolutely could be. Has the proportions I would expect of a natty and no visible red flags. Also this "transformation" is basically just fat loss, nothing suspicious there. Ultimately just seems like "he looks good therefore roids."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no visible red flags

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The only thing that looks even remotely suspicious are the shoulders, and honestly the steroid shoulders meme is like 80% caused by nobody fricking training shoulders properly. Shoulders can blow the frick up on natties, too. Roiding is just the only way to get huge shoulders while training them the way most people train them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh adding onto this, not foolproof but having delts more developed than traps is a pretty good indicator that someone's natty. Whatever bump your delts get, your traps will typically get as much or more. There is nothing suspicious in OP's pic. Depends on genetics but it's absolutely achievable natty and anyone saying otherwise is just demoralized.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever seen a roidtroony without overdeveloped traps.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Again, last I checked that was thought to be because traps have a relatively high density of androgen receptors so they're disproportionately affected by testosterone (natural or synthetic). Most natties will get adequate trap stimulus indirectly from lat work and deadlifts, and roiders will get way too much since their receptors are flooded. That's why shrugs are a DYEL exercise. Nobody needs to focus on their traps if they're lifting normally.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If he's roiding then his muscle-building genetics are probably average to low, depending on how long he's been training. He looks like a high-level natty or a low-level roider. Excellent frame and face genetics, though, so I really have to double down on saying he's natty because I can't imagine him having bad muscle-building genetics looking like he does.

                >This looks natty / I can tell from the trap to delt ratio and from seeing quite a few natties in my time

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                >it's another episode of IST 1 year lifters thinking OP Pic is natty achievable
                pottery

                After 4 years of training, I have come to the conclusion that even most lifters just don't fricking train that hard and never get close to their natty potential. I have eclipsed gymbros who I used to think were big because they just spin their wheels, now they come tell me how big I look and how they wish they were as strong as me. Some have even asked me if I'm on anything, which legitimately shocked me because I feel like my results have been very slow and not always even steady. I expect that someone more dedicated and who has better genetics could absolutely achieve the body in OP's post, especially if he started lifting young. People are absolutely delusional about what's achievable natty. If he started at 13, then that's 8 years of lifting during his peak growth potential with what looks like very good genes. Blackpillers gtfo. Train harder.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Whoa bro you are awesome. Drop your insta and YouTube so we can subscribe.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                no body posted...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's the kid in OP's picture. Or he looks like the guy and is delusional thinking he can gaslight the public (on IST lol) about what's achievable natty.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't post body because the whole point is that I don't even think my gains are that impressive (plus I'm high BF), but even my modest physique is enough to impress fellow gymgoers and the divide is getting bigger. I started lifting at 20 and have what I think are extremely average genetics. That guy could quite easily have 4 years of training on me with maxxed out puberty hormones and great genetics. You guys are just blackpilled and don't want to hear that your shortcomings are your own fault.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I didn't post body because the whole point is that I don't even think my gains are that impressive
                >I have eclipsed gymbros who I used to think were big because they just spin their wheels, now they come tell me how big I look
                nice, a delusional liar.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Here is the body I got with what feels like very unremarkable training. I can bench 2pl8 for 12 and my max OHP is around 175. I am proud of it but by no means do I think it's exceptional. The only conclusion I can draw is that other people just don't train that hard, because if this is what I can achieve, there are definitely some guys at my gym who could be doing a lot more than they are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I 100% believe you are natty and I wouldn't say you're "unremarkable" strength-wise if what you say is true. Now cut to the bf% in the OP and you will understand why we think he's not natty.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Alright I'll concede, maybe you really do know better, I can't tell. Non-confrontationally, though, I am curious what your body/lifts are like.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Max bench is just over 3 plate on my last bulk.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Impressive, thanks

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bro you look good but will be nowhere near OP size if you cut down to 10-12% bf. Thats why everyone is saying OP is on the sauce… Best you could hope for is good vascularity and not looking tiny if you cut down. Pic rel
                almost 2 yrs consistent lifting. Look tiny af without a pump, 6,3 95kg

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I swear to god nobody is listening to what I'm saying. I know I'm nowhere near the guy in the picture. My point is that I am surpassing people I know with better starting points and possibly better genetics than mine just by outworking them, and even now I know there are lots of areas where my gains could be improved. The guy in the picture mogs the shit out of me on a base level, so I find if very believable that a guy with everything going for him genetically could look like the OP picture with proper training from a young age if I can look how I look with sloppy training, several years less training time, and normal genetics starting after my best growth years are over.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're getting shit because you're saying
                >lol dude normies don't try
                No shit, also stop trying to make a 1 in a billion scenario of this dude being magically natty. Roids are fricking everywhere, and dirt cheap.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So what would it take you to reach OP level.
                5 years and a couple cycles, I rest my case.
                Also the average person doesnt even track cals or protein, just hits a half assed workout every couple days, dont compare yourself to normie morons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >normal genetics starting after my best growth years are over.
                Oh, you're one of those "muh growing years" tards.

                Good bait, tbh.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Expects us to believe "gymbros" were asking if he was on roids with this very average body
                Lmao. Sure, buddy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > only conclusion I can draw is that other people just don't train that hard, because if this is what I can achieve
                The quality of training doesn't make a gigantic difference in the long run. All you gotta do is hit failure in each muscle group once a week and you'll hit your genetic potential eventually. Might take you a tiny bit longer than someone that does every single thing to get maximum potential benefit, but the differences aren't that great. In the long run it will all equal out anyway

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think most people seriously overestimate how close to failure they're getting.

                2pl8 for 12 is around a 315 1 rep max. How long you been training?

                4 years. If I was more knowledgeable and disciplined from the start I definitely could've gotten here sooner, I wasted a lot of time fricking around and hurting my back.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I think most people seriously overestimate how close to failure they're getting
                Most people understand that failure means you can't physically lift the weight anymore. There is no grand secret buddy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Most people understand that failure means you can't physically lift the weight anymore
                And then instead of doing that, they hit RPE 6 every single set because they feel like they're about to fail their next rep.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Most people understand that failure means you can't physically lift the weight anymore. There is no grand secret buddy.
                yeah but the average moron doesn't do that though. They stop when shit starts getting difficult, not when they can't move. The average person is a complete fricking pussy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I think most people seriously overestimate how close to failure they're getting.
                Likely. Apparently most people don't even get close and just stop when the set gets slightly uncomfortable and hard. It's extremely rare for me to go to the gym and see literally anyone put in any amount of effort at all (public commercial gym). People don't ever sweat, breathe hard, look tired, make any noise, or show any indicators of exertion at all

                Foreign concept to me. Never knew people even did that until getting into online fitness culture. Made 0 sense to push weights unless you've given everything, which can only be discovered once you hit the point where you can't move. Never understood when people said to do 5-10 sets per workout. I'd get to 2 or 3 and be completely unable to move the weight. Those fitness recommendations make a lot more sense when you realize people don't put in any effort at all and they could actually utilize 5-10 sets because those sets are fricking worthless.

                Anyone else notice zero effort by randos in the gym?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see it in 50% of people in my gym at least, probably more if I paid closer attention to their sets. It's understandable because a lot of them are in their first year of training (I hope), but what's really surprising is the evermediates. They look decent and are reasonably strong, but they haven't gone to failure since they were beginners and don't know what failure feels like when you actually start to get your form down. They honestly believe they're pushing themselves at like an RPE 9 or 10 but their lifts haven't gone up in 5 years. Then they come to IST and talk about how random redditors can't possibly be natty because they've been training for "near failure" for 10 years so they're obviously at the natty limit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I've always wondered why people stay forever intermediates. I guess this does explain it or at least part of it. They probably don't track macros either. I'm reaching intermediate and am terrified that I'll just hard stall, but I go balls to the wall failure every time. Guys, please tell me if I eat right, train consistently, train hard, and do everything right that I won't get hard stuck intermediate. I want to believe that Tina of people are doing things wrong. I seriously doubt the human body is so weak as to be hard-capped at 235 bench for like 60% of the population

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but they haven't gone to failure since they were beginners and don't know what failure feels like when you actually start to get your form down.
                i was struggling like hell with shit lifts until I had a pal workout with me and he had his head on straight with this stuff so I learned what 'trying hard' actually meant, so I'm compelled to agree that 50 percent (probably way more) of men have no idea what training to or near failure is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                2pl8 for 12 is around a 315 1 rep max. How long you been training?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pectus excavatam or just the angle?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah pectus

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                AHAHAHHAHAAH WHAT A OILY homosexual

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is why no one posts body. Because you can be big and muscular and most replies will still just be shitting on you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The people shitting on him are dyel. My only question is how tall that Black person is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                5'10" manlet

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I get and agree with what you are saying, but that dude is fat as hell.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                eh he's like 20%. Yea kinda fat but he could cut to 12% with relative ease and look better than 99% of dyels on this board. Whether he will cut to that is another question

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                work forearms and traps

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Working forearms lately but it's just a bad angle for traps, traps are probably the muscle I get the most comments on.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/89uGbFi.jpeg

                Here is the body I got with what feels like very unremarkable training. I can bench 2pl8 for 12 and my max OHP is around 175. I am proud of it but by no means do I think it's exceptional. The only conclusion I can draw is that other people just don't train that hard, because if this is what I can achieve, there are definitely some guys at my gym who could be doing a lot more than they are.

                >first year lifting
                >wild claims
                >Nowhere near the muscle mass of OP
                >natty achievable brah
                Again, nailed it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's like you're not even reading my posts. I'm saying that my body is unremarkable but gets all these comments anyway because expectations for natty lifting are so low.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's absolutely achievable natty

            Yes but that's different than being natty

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              True but that's almost a pointless conversation if all we have to go on is a Reddit post, virtually any reasonable physique could be natty or not. You need context (like a visible social media presence over time) to make a call in a specific case.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the steroid shoulders meme is like 80% caused by nobody fricking training shoulders properly
          very true. DYELs on fit have no idea how to train shoulders without constantly injuring themselves so they cope with the roid excuse anytime they see feathered side delts

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this
          I'm a DYEL that hopped on a brosplit after not lifting for like 5 years doing a shitty PPL that gave me no gains I see why the shoulder meme exists
          start doing 6-8 sets a workout of lateral raise variations and come back in 1 year
          if your shoulders are not wide as frick you're doing something wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing that looks even remotely suspicious are the shoulders, and honestly the steroid shoulders meme is like 80% caused by nobody fricking training shoulders properly. Shoulders can blow the frick up on natties, too. Roiding is just the only way to get huge shoulders while training them the way most people train them.

      Oh adding onto this, not foolproof but having delts more developed than traps is a pretty good indicator that someone's natty. Whatever bump your delts get, your traps will typically get as much or more. There is nothing suspicious in OP's pic. Depends on genetics but it's absolutely achievable natty and anyone saying otherwise is just demoralized.

      Yeah, now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever seen a roidtroony without overdeveloped traps.

      If he's roiding then his muscle-building genetics are probably average to low, depending on how long he's been training. He looks like a high-level natty or a low-level roider. Excellent frame and face genetics, though, so I really have to double down on saying he's natty because I can't imagine him having bad muscle-building genetics looking like he does.

      >it's another episode of IST 1 year lifters thinking OP Pic is natty achievable
      pottery

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >reddit post
    Go back cletus

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    It says it right there in your own image, moron.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    top level genetics + proper training.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's his cycle?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >posts a roider

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looked better left

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no he didn't incel stfu

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's got blessed genetics, even if he is roiding. Tiny waist plus big shoulders.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If he's roiding then his muscle-building genetics are probably average to low, depending on how long he's been training. He looks like a high-level natty or a low-level roider. Excellent frame and face genetics, though, so I really have to double down on saying he's natty because I can't imagine him having bad muscle-building genetics looking like he does.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >21
    >that muscle maturity/mass
    >natty
    >6'2
    Nope

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont believe any of the following
    >age
    >height
    >weight
    >natty card

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There’s nothing about him that suggests he isn’t.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Crabs in a bucket

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    real just good lighting, maybe also good genetic

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is anonymous IST poster "OP" a homosexual?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes you fricking dyels, try lifting for more than 8 months before making stupid threads

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you have to ask then the answer is no, not natty

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All the coping ethnics ITT lmfao
    ytpipo don't use steroids

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can't really tell. Could he be natty? Yes. Could he be on gear? Yes.

    What I can tell you for sure is that his physique is achievable naturally. Bronze era lifters mog him

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      5'2" people don't mog 6'2" in the slightest

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Left is 5'7 right is 5'9. They were both average height in the late 1800s.

        If you want a taller example there's Hermann Gorner, 6'2 and a whoping 265 pounds lean enough to have visible abs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you're moronic if you think this 0 chest 0 legs build mogs anything lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            0 chest because they purposefully didn't train chest.

            Also that's an image of him at 21 years old.

            Here's him in 1923 mid deadlift.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >0 chest because they purposefully didn't train chest.
              a good physique is a well rounded proportional physique while being relatively lean, I don't care if he didn't train chest on purpose, he still looks worse than OP, 0 quad definition too
              he had both, less muscle mass than OP, and more bodyfat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My point is that OP's pic physique is very achievable naturally, ffs we have people who did floor presses and chest expanders with more muscle mass while being leaner. They didn't have nearly as much knowledge about training and nutrition as we do now.

                I mean look at this gymnast, he didn't even use weights and he looked like this in 1903 100% natural (steroids weren't even invented)

                If you doomers actually just trained and stopped posting on IST about how shitty natural physiques are you'd be proud of your physique.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >moron can't tell the difference between this and the obvious roider in the OP
                Lmao, feelin' sorry for ya fella.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >purposefully didn't train chest
              They did train it with pushups. However, overhead presses and the like were the standard motions for circus shows. The focus was therefore on such movements and which was what most people think of. It wouldn't be until Hackenschmidt popularized the floor press that most people didn't even think about doing such an exercise.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He looks 35, not 21. So it's either one of two things:

    1. He has shit genetics

    or

    2. He's roiding and it's aged his face like with every case of heavy roid usage.

    If you aren't lukewarm IQ, you know which is more likely.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look, I know it's possible to reach such goals naturally, but I'd need to see him in a competition that rigorously tests its athletes in order to give him the natty card. No one natty gets that ripped without many years of work.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    shoulder, arms and back look juicy as fuark, they are red flags.
    Chest and obliques are so mid that you could think he may be natty nonetheless.
    His face and head dont look like hes 21 if you ask me. Its one of those cases, most likely hes juicing, but if his lifts are shit, he may be not.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no fricking moron

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no hes got test 40 year old face look. you only look that old at 21 from blasting.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lean 200 lbs at 6'2 aren't that crazy to begin with
    he might have insane insertions and bone structure, he looks way heavier than that
    I can believe he is a natty with enormous genetics

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Of course you can never really know especially considering how many zoomers immediately jump on roids, but this looks achievable natty

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This physique is Natty Attainable, but I fricking doubt he's put in the years of development to build that muscle naturally.
      If the age attached was 31, I would say, probably

      This, why do IST autists have such a hard time saying this? "Natty achievable but this guy didn't do it natty." Lot of natty achievable physiques were made with tren.

      >NATTY ACHIEVABLE BRAH
      >Do you look like that anon?
      >"no, BUT I BELIEVE IT CAN HAPPEN"
      common now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just haven't heard anyone articulate a compelling reason to believe he's juicing except "he looks good." He's not unreasonably massive or disproportionate. His chest, traps, and quads are all great but a bit underdeveloped compared to his arms, shoulders, and lats. He has a pump, downlighting, and angles on his side, this is a completely reasonable physique for someone with good genes who trains hard. For frick's sake he's 6'2" and barely 225 lbs at peak bulk. If we only had the pic on the left no one would even be questioning it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it just shows you're a nu lifter. Natties cut down and lose a shit load of muscle, the fullness you get like that only is from on cycle.
          >oh anon do you look like that?
          >nope
          Nailed it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >source; trust me bro.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Hey, go do it. Find out for yourself, cut down to damn near single digit bodyfat and see how it goes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You think the OP pic is "damn near single digit bodyfat?"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't know shit about anything. He's angry women won't talk to him and making it our problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that sounds like a huge waste of time that won't make me stronger or more mobile, but thanks for trying to hit me with your terrible coaching advice. Maybe try hucking it on instagram, they love eating dogshit from morons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Natties cut down and lose a shit load of muscle
            So you just don't know how to cut, why should I believe you know anything about the natty limit? Post natural body or shut the frick up.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >doesn't post body
              >asks post body
              Do you look like OP pic anon? Lets see.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So to be clear you are refusing to post body when asked. Opinion discarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you first homie, you think it's natty achievable. So lets see that natty achievable physique

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I already fricking did. Now show me the natty limit you have clearly already achieved, you god amongst men.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to assert yourself and boss people around on IST
                you know how little dogs bark a lot? it's because no one takes them seriously. You are that. That's you. Screaming and b***hing and pissing and moaning while everyone else tries to get things done and doing their best to ignore you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Basic IST law dictates that until someone bigger than me posts body, I have more credibility than anyone else in this thread. This should be simple to do and yet no one has done it. The obvious conclusion is that everyone disagreeing with me is DYEL.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i have credibility on IST! everyone is a dyel but me!
                bark bark bark bark bark
                this is a wild way to construct a self esteem, little dog. But hey, if that works for you and people like you then go crazy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you weren't DYEL you would've proved it already.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                aight lil guy, you win. 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you, I accept your concession.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >loses an online argument
                >"woooow you really care about online arguments? that's pathetic bro haha"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/2AcpKe6.jpeg

                >trying to assert yourself and boss people around on IST
                you know how little dogs bark a lot? it's because no one takes them seriously. You are that. That's you. Screaming and b***hing and pissing and moaning while everyone else tries to get things done and doing their best to ignore you.

                stop flirting and just hook up already you frickin queers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, go do it. Find out for yourself, cut down to damn near single digit bodyfat and see how it goes.

            He's ~12-13% bf, he ate some carbs and hydrated then got a nice pump, then took the pic. He still has some pooch around the belly area, legs are not totally diced either.
            >the fullness you get like that only is from on cycle
            why don't you take a pic of yourself and show us your flabby body bro. I bet you've never been 12% or below in your entire life

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This physique is Natty Attainable, but I fricking doubt he's put in the years of development to build that muscle naturally.
    If the age attached was 31, I would say, probably

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, why do IST autists have such a hard time saying this? "Natty achievable but this guy didn't do it natty." Lot of natty achievable physiques were made with tren.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This physique is Natty Attainable, but I fricking doubt he's put in the years of development to build that muscle naturally.
        If the age attached was 31, I would say, probably

        Guys, he's natty. If he wanted more gains he would go to a proper gym and track his macros before he would take any stuff

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >21 year old male is muscular
    >must be steroids
    If it crosses your mind consider your thoughts tainted by blackpills. Seek help from the lord.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm glad morons like yourself exist. I can juice and as long as I'm not Ronnie coleman sized I'm natty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's cool. no out outside IST will care because you probably photoshopped/frauded your pics anyways.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I roid but people still think I'm natural
        you're supposed to get to a point where people think you're roiding despite being natural. Doing the opposite is absolutely moronic. You sacrificed everything for a mid tier natty physique, kekw

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >taking steroids to look natty
        are you fricking Sam Hyde?

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >natty achievable
    Why do people who say this don't look like what they call natty achievable? Curious thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >black parents
      >97% of black fathers are not present in their child's life

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >6'2
    >21 years old
    Like 99.997% chance he is not natty.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ya, he is 21, probably natty

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fat kids who don't put in the work would like to disagree with you, anon.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There are >people in this thread that are so faceblind that they think this "21" year old with the face of a 40 year old is natty using a homegym
    Man, that's wild.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >this is the face of a 40 year old man
      jfc you fat idiot DYELS are so fricking stupid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is no one on the planet who would say this looks like a 21 year old kid. Everyone would guess at least 30.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no one on the planet who would say this looks like a 21 year old kid. Everyone would guess at least 30.
          >my source: trust me bro
          you're moronic. hope that works out for you bro lmao (it will, this world loves stupid people)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t. faceblind moron
            Must be hard coping this much, huh?

            The guy literally has wrinkles under his eyes and his face looks worn. You are literally blind.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >get mogged by some fricking redditor so hard you come to IST to trauadump
              You're just mad some kid clowned on you by being ripped, and decided to be a woman about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, roidtroony. I feel so mogged by this lying roid abuser who's gonna ack before he turns 50.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                man don't let reddit see you cope this hard they might get an ego about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like you visit it often, perhaps you should go back and stay there.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ofc I visit often. I go there to earnestly discuss fitness with people who aren't fricking moronic.

                I come here to make fun of fat kids who have no idea what they're talking about. Thanks for giving me that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ledditor exposes xirself
                Lmao. Are you the roider in the op? You must be the same guy who's been defending this roider throughout the thread.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I am a special boy for only using IST

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ZOMG I need to check up on reddit, I've already been on IST for 30 minutes!!!
                >My favorite redditor just posted again.. BASED!
                >Zoinks this subreddit is frickin popping off!!
                go catch up on some instagram posts you fricking homosexual

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >at least
          You are fricking mentally moronic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'd say he looks around 26-28. Could I also believe he is 34? Absolutely. People look different. There comes a point where you cant really guess people's age anymore within a 1 year accuracy you know. Its not like when you are in kindergarten and then you go to first grade. Thats reasonably easy to differentiate. Or a senior in high school.

          Sure being 21 and looking 26 isnt necessarily ideal but again age isnt synonymous with looking good. Young =/= better. Men dont look their best between ages 18-21. Its generally late 20's and early 30's. Maybe even late 30's.

          pb is 15 years older than that guy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            how difficult is it to get a visible sex belt like him

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/VFXmZag.png

        There is no one on the planet who would say this looks like a 21 year old kid. Everyone would guess at least 30.

        Thats what young Germans look like you fricking morons

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          reading comprehension failure.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >at least
          You are fricking mentally moronic.

          Deluded morons. I'm German and I don't look like a 30 year old man at 23.

          https://i.imgur.com/4H6077Y.jpeg

          I'd say he looks around 26-28. Could I also believe he is 34? Absolutely. People look different. There comes a point where you cant really guess people's age anymore within a 1 year accuracy you know. Its not like when you are in kindergarten and then you go to first grade. Thats reasonably easy to differentiate. Or a senior in high school.

          Sure being 21 and looking 26 isnt necessarily ideal but again age isnt synonymous with looking good. Young =/= better. Men dont look their best between ages 18-21. Its generally late 20's and early 30's. Maybe even late 30's.

          pb is 15 years older than that guy.

          You absolutely can guess people's ages. Posting a pic of a professional model using all sorts of chemicals to not age doesn't prove me wrong, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >using all sorts of chemicals to not age
            this is some bizarre cope lmao. Sorry for your shit tier genetics ig

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That is the weakest bait I've seen all week.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        neckpilled again

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love this thread thanks everyone. What a fricking mess.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the last 30 replies are just two morons asking each other to post body to no avail
      half the threads in this shithole end like this kekw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I had so much fun.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I could believe him being natural, but the shoulders seem sus and his height being 6'2" with that frame is weird. I also think him claiming he doesn't track his macros or go to a proper gym is bullshit and seems like a deflection from the original question which probably means he ain't natty.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    21 going on 32

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know whether he is or not but I know that physique is possible natty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think so too, but idk if it's possible at 21 years old. Maybe if he started lifting and eating perfectly at 14-15 with great genetics. Only reason I think it's possible is because my cousin mogged the average 25 year old lifter when he was 15 and didn't lift yet

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously not natty.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i put on weight and then I took off the weight
    What a stupid meme bulking and cutting is.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The body is achievable natty at that height, but he’s only 21 so it’s unlikely. His face looks old too

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's a body that takes at least a few years to develop. Getting to that at 21 natty would mean he's been dedicated for years. If he posted more progress pictures it might be believable..

    Dude's face also doesn't look 21 at all..

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i believe him, he is 16 y.o, natty, vegan, benches 200 kg, some people in internet have no reality sence at all

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Physique is definitely naturally achievable for 6'2".

    Age makes it kinda sus

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think he's on gear, I just think he's lying
    has the physique of someone that's been lifting (or at least in intense sports) since he was young
    still a homosexual though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He has the physique of someone who roids lmao cmon now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        post body and I'll explain why I don't think he's on gear

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nah. he just looks like a gymnast.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good chance he is not on gear and just works hard and has good genetics.
    His neck and traps are not overly developed which is typically a good indicator when someone is on juice.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the traps, pecs and core say natty. he's good at posing (mainly flexing his delts) and he's neckpilled.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >21
    >Looks 35
    roids

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oh cool another "its totally possible natty dooood!!!!!!" thread where posters cannot post a single "natural" equivalent physique. But in the "theoretical", "its possible natty dooooood!!!! I gained 30 pounds in my first year of lifting and now im 205 lb 19% bf so ya dude believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    If you think OP is natural you are a fricking clown. And you look like shit. It's that simple.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh cool another blackpilled looksmax homosexual who thinks you need roids to look decent, and the natty limit is some weak dyel physique
      and if anybody posts a natty physique that looks better than yours you cry about roids

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        except im on the side of science and logic, dumb fricking homosexual. No matter how much dragon ball z anime weirdo loser shit you believe in, if the CHEMICALS are not there, you will not LOOK LIKE THAT. You're the equivalent of a fricking b***h who thinks if she tries hard enough she can "manifest" reality.

        Not a matter of blackpill or looksmaxing, you just can't fricking look a certain way without chemical assistance. Fricking loser DYEL homosexual.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most of the delusion comes from guys who just rode the lightning on their first years as a natty. They haven't hit the wall year after year where they think they just need to work harder, or train differently, or eat some macro ratio. They don't understand there is a physical ceiling where the laws of nature actively work against you. It's as they say you can pick 2: big, lean, natural. Oh shit bro I can squat 4 plates I just need to cut and I'll look like Jeff Seid. Nope. Say goodbye to your gains and enjoy the grind to get back to 4 plate after. The other problem is people are more susceptible to marketing than they think they are. The fitness industry has big incentives to promote the idea you can look like a frauder if you just do this program or take this supplement. It's fricking hilarious actually.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most of the delusion comes from guys who just rode the lightning on their first years as a natty. They haven't hit the wall year after year where they think they just need to work harder, or train differently, or eat some macro ratio. They don't understand there is a physical ceiling where the laws of nature actively work against you. It's as they say you can pick 2: big, lean, natural. Oh shit bro I can squat 4 plates I just need to cut and I'll look like Jeff Seid. Nope. Say goodbye to your gains and enjoy the grind to get back to 4 plate after. The other problem is people are more susceptible to marketing than they think they are. The fitness industry has big incentives to promote the idea you can look like a frauder if you just do this program or take this supplement. It's fricking hilarious actually.

          >muh heckin science and logic
          >N-no YOU'RE the dyel!!!
          LOL. You actually think there is a 0% chance of acquiring OP physique without roids. Way to out yourself as a total blackpilled dyel loser.
          Maybe your natural limit is a mid-tier physique, simply accept your place bro it's OK
          >pick 2: big, lean, natural
          this is such an ancient meme touted by dyels and normies, as long as you don't have roidtroony tier dysmorphia it's not true. You actually think anything above 22 FFMI is guaranteed roids, it's so pathetic.
          >OP stats: 6'2" 203lbs 12%bf - FFMI 22.98
          There's your science, you fricking grub. That is achievable naturally. Except not for genelets like yourself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's natty achievable brah
            Why dont you look like that anon?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >12%
            he is visibly less than 12% in the before pic, even less so in the after pic.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no he is not natty, check pictures of lifters from before there were any roids

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For his frame that is achievable natty. Everyone who disagrees is a bitter, and moronic dyel homosexual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice anon, do you look like that natty achievable physique?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >for
        >his
        >frame
        >for his frame
        Can you read that? Don't be afraid to take your time, I know it's tough.

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