Is Rippetoe correct about ab work being redundant?

He suggests heavy squats and presses are more than enough:
>As the loads pass 200 and then 300+ pounds, it becomes enough of a challenge for the now more experienced lifter that a helluva lot of ab work is required to squat and pull properly. At weights above this range, most lifters find that a belt helps them produce harder ab contractions and therefore maintain better spinal stability, and this is why it is common that a lifter’s first squat workout with a belt produces new levels of ab fatigue.
I definitely feel it in my abs when I go ass-to-grass (and especially with front squats), but isn't that mostly a static/isometric use of the ab muscles?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking of course not. I've literally never felt any soreness in my abs ever from squats or deadlifts.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's because you are a dyel

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. I've had more ab DOMs from sex than squats

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        455lb dl, 425lb squat (315lb Zercher squat for reps fwiw)
        I only feel it in my abs when I actually push for the max effort, 1 rep max test days. Maybe it's because I HAVE to be super focused and locked in in order to finish the movement, thus tighter core. I've never used a belt.
        Sex burns my core more than any of that, though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. I've had more ab DOMs from sex than squats

      >NUH UH IT ISN'T TRUE
      >anecdote
      >no further explanation
      >t. lard bodies

      post lifts or stfu and stop larping, morons

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >getting this mad at two posts on IST
        Cut after you finish on SS and see where you're at. Also touch grass

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          this mad at two posts on IST
          >Cut after you finish on SS and see where you're at. Also touch grass

          why are you so defensive?

          >autistic projections

          Just posts your lifts if you want anyone to take you seriously. Where do you think you are?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this mad at two posts on IST
        >Cut after you finish on SS and see where you're at. Also touch grass

        why are you so defensive?

        >autistic projections

        Just posts your lifts if you want anyone to take you seriously. Where do you think you are?

        Post body

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He is wrong, isolate your abs.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Abs work eccentrically and concentrically to tilt the pelvis posteriorly and basically stop the spine from collapsing. In addition to the work the obliques and TAs get to maintain posture, abs get a good workout from a decent squat

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No they don’t. Maybe old gear head boomers like fat toe did, but the reality is they work like every other muscle and want exercise to be stronger

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      abs work less during a squat than in a pushup idiot the abs cannot flex your spine during a squat without you falling over and that's the only function of the abs
      even just flexing your abs will activate then 10x more than any squat will

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you are right about the role of abs but wrong about them getting a good workout from squats. You are basically doing an isometric hold in1 a fixed position that never deviates or varies. With squats, you:
      >don't develop ANY control or coordination of HOW to use the core to tilt/twist/move your pelvis and torso. Controlling and moving your core is a fundamentally different beast than an isometric hold in a neutral position
      >don't develop any strength, mobility, or stability outside of this neutral position squats require
      >inevitably when you have to do an exercise that requires your core to work outside this neutral position or to move dynamically, good luck

      I have squatted for years with excellent technique and bracing, and when I started calisthenics a few months ago (specifically handstands) I was amazed at how poor my core/pelvic control and strength was. You need those very badly to balance in a handstand and hold a straight body line, and I can tell you firsthand that squats will not give you those abilities

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Rippetoe correct about ab work being redundant?
    yes
    > go ass-to-grass
    >front squats
    These are not Ripp approved.
    >As the loads pass 200 and then 300+ pounds
    are you telling me you squat less than 300lbs? maybe you should squat more and find out yourself.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely not.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Abs aren't special, they are just like any other muscle. Compounds will hit them, but not as hard as isolations. You can get away with skipping them, but if you really want your abs to pop you need to isolate them.

    It's like working your arms with pull-ups. Yes, it'll work, but for your arms curls will be more effective.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Zyzz is actually a good example here. He got his deadlift up to 495, so decent but nothing crazy, and he had nice abs, but was also very lean.
    If we're talking about just having nice abs like Zyzz, without doing ab work work, then this will probably require you be about that lean & having decent compound strength. Or you could just do ab work & have more ab hypertrophy with a 400lb deadlift than Zyzz did with a 500lb deadlift

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget taking tren

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >He got his deadlift up to 495
      He was probably lying about that. There is a video of him deadlifting and it was most shitty horrendous fricking lift and way less then 495. Not a chance he could lift 495. Not a chance he could squat 3 plates either

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you don't know what you're talking about you buffoon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          dont tell me you are a little zoomer that got triggered about the fact his hero can't fricking lift for shit https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6vXiOy-eoL4

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i'm older than you you fricking pipsqueak

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He was also on enough gear to kill a degenerate turk

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you guys take Rippetoe out of context because you're idiots who still don't understand that his program only cares about strength
    he's not talking about whether or not you should do ab isolation to look good
    hes saying that IN TERMS OF GETTING STRONGER you don't need to isolate your abs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you guys take Rippetoe out of context because you're idiots who still don't understand that his program only cares about strength
      He contradicts himself on this by both claiming that strength is the best way to reach aesthetic physiques, while at the same time stating he doesn't care about aesthetics.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Having a solid strength foundation first for sure helps

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you squat 3pl8 chances are you'll have decent abs after a cut. But if you want to have abs faster than three years ab isolation is mandatory. Same thing with side delts, the compound can get you there but isolations make it faster

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And what does this guys abs look like? Looks like he has a beer gut

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >moronic zoomer eceleb thread

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >isn't that mostly a static/isometric use of the ab muscles?
    yes. which is ass for anything that requires dynamic movement

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    imagine taking fitness advice from a bloated fat old man

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't have to. I actually do.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Actual high level powerlifters (which rip has produced none of) do at least a little bit of ab work.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    After listening to a lot of tom platz talks on leg training and switching my leg days to primarily consist of high rep lower weight squats i can confirm my abs get more sore than any other exercises i perform to isolate them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kek Tom Platz is fricking nuts. Aesthetics have changed since the 70s, men actually want asses so low-bar squats are no longer a liability. Both high/low reps and weight work for hypertrophy, but he is right that lower weight is safer for your body in the long run. All the SS shit about squats being restorative for joints goes out the window past 3pl8s

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Be this dude
        >25
        >Dyel with genetic lineage worse than a public restroom
        >Get on internet forum
        >Claim he knows more about training legs than tom platz
        Unreal, borderline psychotic.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >no ab work
    >have a six pack because I was 170
    >do ab work
    >have a six pack because I was 170
    But first year lifters don't know this. Also Rippetoe is a very bad example for this because in the book SS says the first "accessory" shit to add is ab work. Not that you care though, you just want some 130lber to validate your athleanx ab circuit.

    I mean you guys don't even understand how any time you have weight on your spine your abs are contracting under load to keep you from collapsing. Contraction against resistance is what causes hypertrophy. You don't care about this though so just keep doing what you're doing, it's not a Rippetoe exclusive idea.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      thats actually what tires me out the most, all the bracing my core has to do, abs, back, everything in between. It's quite exhausting.
      Literally feel like taking a nap after some lifts because I'm flexing such a big part of my body.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You are doing it right anon. you should always after working compound lifts feel your entire core/trunk is taxed. glutes low back and core should feel worked.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Again it's taxing because you have to flex so many things at once. It's hard to get breathing in between all of that. And when you are done and relax, you feel such relaxation that you want to just lie down and take a nap right there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNr7nXvntO8

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    everything he says is worthless because all of his lifters look like shit and have underwhelming lifts

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Rippetoe correct about ab work being redundant?
    I'm pretty sure the dude has never seen his abs in his life

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some people seem to be able to get away with it, but not me. I was 290 with a 750 dead and 635 squat, cut to 220 and no abs. Trained abs hard on my next bulk, got to 280, cut down to 240 and had a full blown 6 pack. I've kept up with the ab isolation work over the years and now I have visible abs at 280 AND my lifts have all gone up substantially. Beltless deficit deads and squats, and for direct work I do loaded dead bugs and hanging leg and knee raises. Deads and squats demand isometric strength, this is primarily the transverse abdominus' function. To really make your abs pop and stick out through +20% bodyfat you need to train the rectus abdominus dynamically. There's really no good reason to NOT be doing direct core work, if you don't do it you're just being lazy and leaving gains on the table.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >There's really no good reason to NOT be doing direct core work, if you don't do it you're just being lazy and leaving gains on the table.

      unfathomably based, thank you for posting this, Anon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Post body. How tall are you?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Iono mane, I've gone through periods of lots of direct ab work and periods where I didn't really do any (unless you wanna count unilateral kb swings/snatches/clean and press?) and I never noticed a difference in any outcome I cared about.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah for S&C programs. Doing direct ab work is really only for literal homosexuals

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any effective weighted exercise for abs? I only really know of weighted cable crunches. I have tried to make them work for me on many occasions but I never got the form down. Couldn't feel any isolation of abs and always felt like I was cheating the reps with other muscle groups. I have also tried the machines where you crunch but hated that felt like trash. The machine where get on your knees and twist against resistance I have tried though and imagine that that is actually pretty good for the abs and definitely for the obliques.

    The only heavy weighted exercise I have found that really makes me feel my abs extremely tense and working is heavy front squats. Yes I feel them working from regular squats and deads but not like front squats or direct ab work.

    My opinion on ab training is that since most of it isn't weighted, ab work is a prime candidate for circuit training. In my experience the best exercises I have found for abs are static: hollow body holds, dynamic: V-ups, obliques: windshield wipers

    Best part about this is all 3 can be done laying on the ground. So I do a circuit of a 1+ minute hollow body hold then rest in the glute bridge position for a brief period then V-ups AMRAP then another glute bridge rest then windshield wipers AMRAP.

    For progression and much more difficulty the same circuit is done on a pullup bar. A Static hang held with the abs engaged or an L-Sit, then toes to bars, then windshield wipers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there any effective weighted exercise for abs?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hanging leg raise is technically a full ab workout and you can do ankle weights. Weighted crunches are excellent for upper rectus abdominus. There’s not much else better besides ab rollout variants

        With these you are going to max out on the weighted progression very quickly though. Which is why I mentioned cable crunches since with a cable machine you could get up to 200+ pounds. But with weighted crunches or situps on a GHD you are limited by heaviest dumbbell you have access too. I guess you could maybe zercher hold a barbell like the guy in ?

        Hanging leg raise is technically a full ab workout and you can do ankle weights. Weighted crunches are excellent for upper rectus abdominus. There’s not much else better besides ab rollout variants

        Hanging leg raise is basically easier toes to bar which I mentioned and again the weighted progression adding ankle weights taps out very quickly. So essentially it seems eventually every ab exercise becomes about volume. Which is why I made the point that I think abs are a great target for circuits. I get bored as frick doing an exercise past 20 reps but when I do ab exercises as a circuit I easily hit a total 60 reps+. Getting on a decline situp machine and doing the same exercise for 60+ reps is just a hellish idea to me would rather kms.

        I bet decline situps drop set would be really effective. AMRAP holding a 45lb plate then grab a 25lb plate and push it then burnout the rest with no weight.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, is this meant as a static hold? Or is he doing crunches/ situps? Not a bad idea static holding in that position. You could even work up to real weight static holding like that on a GHD with a barbell and spotters.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hanging leg raise is technically a full ab workout and you can do ankle weights. Weighted crunches are excellent for upper rectus abdominus. There’s not much else better besides ab rollout variants

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      weighted planks are pretty good I find. loading several plates later on is bit challenging if solo but doable. plate should be just above your glutes for maximum ab stimulus.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I love weighted planks but needing a partner to load them or the awkwardness of setting up for them with a backpack makes them not feasible for programming and progression in my opinion. Bodyweight planks are great though. Another good lift for circuit training abs. Like I mentioned calisthenics bros have the right approach to ab work high volume circuit work. Look at calisthenics bros and gymnasts. all develop great abs. With planks I like to hold in tabletop near failure then I kickup into a wall supported handstand and rest in the handstand for as long as i can then back down to the planks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you can get any stimulus out of this you must weigh all of 115lbs.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          ? the heavier you are the more stimulus for this bodyweight exercise. it's a timed static hold aiming for 2 minutes+

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I would say it's pretty much a resting position when you actually have muscle, but you said it yourself. You can hold it for more than 2 minutes. What's the point?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I completely agree but it is good stimulus. I don't ever see static holds as a method really of building muscle it is more like general conditioning. Which is why they are great for rest days and GPP work. Static holds are easy to recover from and build mind muscle connection. As I mentioned ealrier ab training is ideally done as a circuit so you should first tax the abs in someway with a dynamic movement and then hold the static or do the static then tax it out with a dynamic movement. So if you can already hit 2 minutes with an elbow plank the next progression is do 20 crunches then hold the plank for 2 minutes. Just an example.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              then you hold for 2min, take a short rest and repeat the hold, I assure you the following "sets" won't go into 2 min territory again if you have enough plates. it's not like you do one set and call it a day.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                this. regulating rest periods is usually for more advanced lifters but anyone can benefit from regulating their rest periods for static movements. If you can hold for 1 minute rest 20 seconds then hold again. repeat 3x. great for progression. again though with weighted its a pain in the ass. But it can be a really fun exercise with a gym buddy. great exercise to alternate one person holding weighted plank the other resting then switch. your abs will be on fire after a few sets.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >again though with weighted its a pain in the ass.
                yeah kek, I started by leaning the plates against wall and then flipping them onto my back. then once in position I didn't bother getting up since re-placing the plates was so much work.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I used to use a dumbbell because it was way easier to get them on the small of my back laying flat on my stomach than trying and get a plate back there. hexagonal ones. it worked really well actually. I never tried leaning the plate on the wall but that is a pretty good idea. Might have to give that a try. I have bumper plates now and I always prefered doing these with bumpers since they are usually flatter with nice surface area. Also can comfortably dump it off the back quickly so I am comfortable to really push for as many seconds as possible.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Id honestly rather listen to micheal greger than that fat frick

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SS is a program for beginners that want to powerlift. If this doesn't describe you, stop paying attention to him.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No
      purpose of SS is to give you baseline strength, not so you can be a fricking powerlifter blessed with so good genetics you can get strong stuffing your face with cheeseburgers and then shill hip extensions to improve DL, but to make you better at whatever you do, even buying groceries as 60 yo granny

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If Ripp is so smart on lifting, why does he look like shit himself?
    Why would you listen to a fat old balding beerbellied hick on lifting advice?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I mean he's in his 60s and probably eats a shit diet and does zero cardio. Even lifting a lot won't save you in those circumstances.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Jan Olejko is 73 years old and he mogs rippetoe

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are you saying Sheiko or Louie don't know anything about training because they look like shit despite training hundreds of elite powerlifters?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They knew plenty about training for the sport of having the highest possible squat bench and deadlift, which may involve getting fat as shit. This is not fitness. It’s like saying that some sumo wrestling guro is a fitness expert. Or an offensive line coach. Yes these sports require intense physical challenge, but they don’t necessarily require overall fitness.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What is """fitness"""?
          Everyone on IST hates fat people but they still want to bench as much as they can and cope when they get mogged, curious.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >What is """fitness"""?
            being able to go the distance and not getting gassed out. 12 rounds.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If they are so smart on powerlifting, why do they look like shit?

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a skinny DYEL like me, you absolutely should do abs and lower back in order to avoid injuries from squatting.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Rippetoe correct?
    No.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He's right in the sense that a lot of ab work is redundant. A few sets of an ab wheel a week is all you need. Not like these zoomers doing a million crunches a week. Waste of time when you could be doing stuff that matters like high rep lateral raises

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >roidgay with a beergut has moronic opinions on ab exercises

    MANY such cases!

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I used to believe in that

    then I added weighted plants to my program and all my lifts skyrockted

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you actually lift you'll know whether you're getting enough abdominal work from your squats or not. You may never need to isolate them to look good or it may be strictly necessary to isolate them in order to progress your squat. Depends on you.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you take any advice about fitness from a guy with a beer gut, you deserve everything you get

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why would you listen to someone who has never had abs himself

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't think Rippetoe has seen an ab in his life tbh

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How do people deadlift so much? Ive been lifting for over 6 months and put on considerable weight but my deadlift is still only at a weak 2pl8

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pull harder

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      egolifting and not caring at all about their spine and longevity. 2pl8 is good switch over to RDLs for your volume work and for weight progression do trapbar. Next time go in and really push your trapbar dead. Bet you can hit way more than 2pl8. You will hit 3pl8 trapbar quickly and won't have to worry as much about grip or use straps.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Come back in 6 years you'll be fine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I hit a 4pl8 deadlift for a triple in less than a year. Then quit lifting for a decade. Got back into it a few months ago, not really trained deadlifts off the floor, hit 3pl8's for a couple of reps. The lift was always just easy for me. Look into some technique, getting the cues correct and everything tight helps a ton. You're not pulling off the floor, you are wedging yourself into the bar and doing a leg press.

      egolifting and not caring at all about their spine and longevity. 2pl8 is good switch over to RDLs for your volume work and for weight progression do trapbar. Next time go in and really push your trapbar dead. Bet you can hit way more than 2pl8. You will hit 3pl8 trapbar quickly and won't have to worry as much about grip or use straps.

      Trapbar is a completely different lift, don't take this advice. RDL's are great though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Trapbar is a completely different lift, don't take this advice. RDL's are great though.
        It is a completely different lift but similar enough and objectively a better safer lift for weight progression. RDL's will train the hip hinge motion so you won't need the traditional. RDL's and trapbar are also objectively better lifts for building athletic potential.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I agree RDL's are better in every way if you don't care about how much weight you can lift off the floor. In fact I recommend noobs to learn how to RDL properly first and progress to a passable level before they ever do deadlifts off the floor. That way they get some posterior development and know how to hip hinge so they don't snap their shit when trying to deadlift violently and explosively off the floor.
          Trapbar is too different because you cut out the arguably most beneficial thing you get from RDL's/Deadlifts, posterior chain strength and stability.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            we mostly agree and you mentioned the "if you don't care how much weight you can lift off the floor" which is what I recommend the trapbar for. I know it is closer to a squat than a deadlift but it is still pull from the floor dead resting. The RDL is superior in everyway for posterior chain strength an especially stability. So if people still want to lift heavy shit off the floor for reps and ego they should trapbar.

            Noobs should master back extensions and hyper extensions then RDL's then traditional deadlifts if they want to compete or enjoy the lift. But only after progressing through building up and learning how to use their posterior chain and hip hinge properly. Also you can trapbar deadlift in a way that loads your hamstrings uses more hip hinge if you practice it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but you're morbidly obese
        >Captcha: SNSSSS

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Rippetoe does recommend ab work.

    Practical programming for strength training states ab work is an important accessory for intermediate to advanced trainees to strengthen abs for heavy squats/deads/presses. Ab work isn't in starting strength for the same reason dedicated arm work isn't. It takes advantage of noob gainz and in the first 3-6 months isometric work under load will be enough to strengthen them. Past that time frame you should be moving to an intermediate program, which will include some dedicated ab work, no matter if you're a powerlifter, body builder, crossfit, or rippetoe "strength lifter".

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    Only thing I do is hanging leg raises, toes to bars.
    I also do high rep front squats.
    >IN TERMS OF GETTING STRONGER you don't need to isolate your abs
    But this is really wrong. I had a calisthenics background, so my isometric core strength was high getting into lifting. I can see a weak core being responsible for dogshit form in deadlifts, squats etc. It's important.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: morons who think
    1) DOMS is an indicator of efficacy
    2) Planks work
    3) Have sub 3pl8 squats
    I'm fat as frick and have somewhat visible abs because my abs are big because I can squat 6pl8. Rippetoe is right

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      DOMS is the best indicator of efficacy for me and I squat 7pl8s atg. When I stop getting sore, I stop progressing because I've stopped training as hard. I aim for DOMS outside of peaking phases.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this, I went from 180 to 215 and my abs are only slightly less visible now despite being much bigger. never did any ab isolations either (waste of time).

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    my abs got better from climbing more on overhang walls and doing a lot of OHP which I feel recruits the abs way more for spine stability than squats or deadlifts do (at lower weights)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >OHP which I feel recruits the abs way more for spine stability than squats or deadlifts do (at lower weights)
      they do. in deadlifts and squats ideally the core is in an isometric hold the whole time. this is also ideal for OHP but naturally the lowering of the weight while bracing will cause a slight "crunch" type of motion that you have to fight against. Same thing with why frontsquats hit the abs harder than backsquats. You have to fight the folding over/crunch/contracting of the abs actively. Not just brace and protect the spine isometrically.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Your abs should be your most developed muscle group if you plan to be strong in any meaningful sense. Real ab works is painful and exhausting, so fat shits find any excuse to ignore it.

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think front squats and pull ups work them more, but I still think you should isolate them a little bit.
    I think for strength compounds are enough but for aesthetics you should isolate them

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. It's fatty cope

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mark Rippetoe is an imbecile. As soon as I started direct, heavy ab work, my lower back injury rate lowered by about 80%.

    Belts are like artificial abs when you push into them, nobody should use one. When you ditch the belt, you will see how strong or weak your abs are.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >direct, heavy ab work
      Care to share how you went about it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >direct, heavy ab work
      What sort of movements do you do? Weighted situps?

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. Rip is smart with a lot but this is moronic. You can pull yourself out of a squat plateau simply by adding in heavy ab work and good mornings in because that is the core or trunk is the failure point for lot of people and doing compounds you fail at are not building your trunk up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what do you mean by heavy ab work? the only thing that really qualifies as mentioned earlier in this thread is front rack holds and front squats. No other lifts really load the abs. except maybe hanging horizontally facing upwards on a GHD and static holding a heavy dumbbell or kettlebell or a plate. But obviously the loads with that are never really "heavy" ab work.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >is rippetoe right
    he seldom is about anything anymore.

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think doing core work on the side is a good idea. When I got up to 220kg+ deadlift, I started to have some lower back pain. After training both sides of the core, it completely went away and I now deadlift 280kg pain free.

    Doesn't need to be much. I do like 2-3 sets of back hyperextensions on back day, 2-3 sets of ab work on push day.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I copy this little chicks ab work. The barbell V-ups at 2 minutes in are my absolute favorite. Notice how she does them neutral and also with a twist the slight twist hits the obliques. (No idea what she says in the video shes finnish.)
    Rewatching the video now I bet the slamball throws the way she does them against the wall at the end if you really generated the power through the stretch reflex of the anterior chain and then used the ab crunching / contraction would be really great ab work.

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    when someone tells you that a squat is good enough for working the abs, what they are actually saying is that an isometric hold in a fixed position that never varies is good enough to work one of the largest muscle groups in the body. Absurd.

    Imagine telling someone that they didn't need to do any exercise for any muscle group except for fixed, isometric holds for 60 seconds. Imagine believing that you don't need to bench, and can just lay on the bench and hold the bar in front of you with straight arms for 60 seconds. Imagine believing that you don't need to do pullups, and can get a great back exercise from dead hanging for 60 seconds. Imagine believing you don't need to curl or do skullcrushers, and it's good enough to just do isometric holds without bending your elbows at all.

    That's what the "squats work the abs" crowd believes, and it's doubly absurd they believe that for one of the most complex and large muscle groups of the body. You need to run your muscles through a good range of their motion, challenge them dynamically and asymmetrically with different kinds of loads in different ranges... this is as true of abs as it is of triceps or chest or legs. If you ever try calisthenics, you will realize very quickly how stupid and full of shit the "squatting = the only abs exercise you need" crowd is. I have lifted fro 15 years but I didn't have crazy abs until I started doing hollow body / arch body exercises for calisthenics and gymnastics this past year. My posture and core control has gotten insanely better, and my squat depth has also improved

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That gigantic wall of text just to show how much of dyel you are. Really?
      Now go do your crunches to “work on your abs” on your “ripped” 140 lb body little boy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >when someone tells you that a squat is good enough for working the abs, what they are actually saying is that an isometric hold in a fixed position that never varies is good enough to work one of the largest muscle groups in the body. Absurd.
      >I have lifted fro 15 years but I didn't have crazy abs until I started doing hollow body / arch body exercises for calisthenics and gymnastics this past year.
      A hollow body is a isometric hold????
      ???????????
      a hollowbody is literally an isometric hold. don't get me wrong hollowbodies are essential lifters should all do hollowbodies. but you ho hollowbodies to train to brace your core properly in every exercise. once the hollowbody position is learned and the same position can be achieved standing everything becomes a glute and ab exercise.

      I am just pointing out your stupid contradiction saying you can't build a muscle through isometrics then you say you only started building your abs when you did... isometrics...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but he obviously means that adding a variety of isometrics at different muscle lengths / positions / angles is what helped his development vs squats and DLs only, he started training abs in squats, DLs, hollow bodies, etc.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If you are adding a variety of isometrics just to gain 5 lbs on your squat you better be squatting 800 trying to min max or you are wasting your fricking time. And that’s pretending that shit even works. Might as well just do a couple of sets of leg raises a week and call it a day instead of wasting your time doing some dumb shit.

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