Is seed oil really that big a deal? People on here talk about it like they’re asbestos.

Is seed oil really that big a deal? People on here talk about it like they’re asbestos.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    full picture broken down, keep in mind he is a redditor.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Qrd? Dont want to waste half an hour if hes a seed oil shilling redditor

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's a seed oil shiller who says it's okay despite being invented out of cotton seed garbage as a cheaper alternative to lard. All common sense says they are bad.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's not even cheaper than lard these days

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seed oils are shit and anyone who claims otherwise is a colossal gay.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are worse than asbestos. In 200 years humanity will either be dead or sneed-free

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a fuck what ~~*studies*~~ say one way or another. Everything I know about food I know from eating it and not eating it. I had chest pains when I cooked with "vegetable" oil. Changed nothing else, and don't have chest pains anymore.

    Do your own science.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No it's a meme

      Lmao, heartlet

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        romans and greeks lived breathed and fucked olive oil. if its good enough for those chads its good enough for me

        olive oil is extracted from a fruit flesh, not from the seed
        >plant oil=/=seed oil
        people who dont know this difference are dumb as hell

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sometimes a food will not show immediate effect on your body but long term damage can be huge.

      I was consuming high sodium snacks which fucked my knees joints. But I knew that 20 years later

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating seed oils literally changes your fat composition from saturated fat (the default for us and every other animal) to unsaturated.

    If you know how unsaturated fats destabilize cell membranes, this would horrify you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry for not sourcing this image, I forgot. Here's the source.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4642429/
      >Increase in Adipose Tissue Linoleic Acid of US Adults in the Last Half Century

      Basically, söybean oil is turning you into a söybean and that's really bad for you. Which, like this anon said

      I don't give a fuck what ~~*studies*~~ say one way or another. Everything I know about food I know from eating it and not eating it. I had chest pains when I cooked with "vegetable" oil. Changed nothing else, and don't have chest pains anymore.

      Do your own science.

      , makes perfect sense. Have you ever tried to drink söybean oil? Or eat any food made with it? Or do you even know how it's made? They use hexanes and swirl the söybean paste around in them. It's a truly awful thing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eating seed oils literally changes your fat composition from saturated fat (the default for us and every other animal) to unsaturated.

        If you know how unsaturated fats destabilize cell membranes, this would horrify you.

        Is it just basedbean and vegetable oil/canola oil? Is sunflower or cottonseed oil really that bad for you? What about sesame seed oil? Are they all bad?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          All plant oils are bad because of phytosterols.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Any oil that comes from a seed is bad for you. Your oil should come from happy healthy animals or fruits (avocado, oil, coconut).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you know how unsaturated fats destabilize cell membranes, this would horrify you.

      That's the dumbest thing I've read today.

      t. phd in membrane biology

      https://i.imgur.com/6pbkZdC.jpg

      Is seed oil really that big a deal? People on here talk about it like they’re asbestos.

      No. There are a million things worse. You'll have to realize that most people on IST are losers that do not know what they are talking about, just because they dump random papers they found on pubmed (which they haven't read).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So the PhD's official position is that a change from 10% PUFA composition to a 20% PUFA composition of adipose cell membranes has no effect?

        Please clarify this before I BTFO you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >a change [...] composition of adipose cell membranes

          Maybe you should google first what adipocytes look like before you try to "BTFO" people, because this isn't about the "composition of adipose cell membranes" at all.

          >saturated fats make membranes more solid
          >unsaturated fates make membranes more fluid
          >that's why butter is solid at room temp and canola oil is liquid
          You literally learn this in high school or middle school biology.

          Makes sense that your bio education stopped in high school.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the fat composition of a cell has NO bearing on the fat composition of its membrane
            >this is the official opinion of a PhD of molecular biology
            Ok, I see that you joined this thread to be as pedantic as possible and provide no counter arguments or evidence of any claims, if you would make any. I'm going to stop responding because you are not interested in discussing anything, you're just a scrappy little fella.

            Hope college was real fun and taught you a lot. The smartest people come out of college 🙂

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >provide no counter arguments

              You haven't made an argument, so I don't need to counter anything, but showing that you literally lack middle school knowledge about how adipocytes work, and the difference between triglycerides, fatty acids, phospholipids should be enough.

              >>this is the official opinion of a PhD of molecular biology

              Yes, because it's trivially obvious (and published science btw)

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              While he is being a bit pedantic he isnt necessarily wrong. We dont automatically incorporate all dietary fats into our lipid bilayers. There is a complex biochemical pathway that processes eaten fatty acids into phospholipids. This is to maintain an ideal fraction of UFA and SFA for each cell. Really the only way diet can affect lipid bilayer composition is by restricting certain fats and lowering the availablility of that precursor for the lipid pathway but a change in lipid comp would not really change all that much of cell function and could improve health since it lowers the freezing point of membranes.
              >t. Also a molecular biologist

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a change in freezing point could be beneficial
                That seems a little bit of a stretch considering not many people suffer from hypothermia every day lol...

                Otherwise, thanks for the detailed explanation. The way that anon talked was super irritating—he was as egoistical and condescending as possible.

                I was mostly interested by this paper which I linked later in the thread that discusses how PUFAs could negatively impact us, specifically this line:
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442228/
                >Dietary intake of PUFAs results in their incorporation into the membranes of essentially all cells in the body.
                But they don't really elaborate on that, so I couldn't read more into it. I could look it up more but I don't dislike PUFAs because I'm worried about my cell membrane lol, that's really the last thing I'm thinking about when avoiding them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >could improve your health by lowering the freezing point of membranes

                You fucking what m8. You're a samefagging basedboi I guarantee it, you just can't admit you're a POS so you act like somebody else because you crave acceptance. Don't care if I'm wrong everyone who read this gets a T bump aaay

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >human molecular biology changes significantly
            >molecular biologist declares this doesn't matter and everything is fine
            What is even the point of your degree?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >saturated fats make membranes more solid
        >unsaturated fates make membranes more fluid
        >that's why butter is solid at room temp and canola oil is liquid
        You literally learn this in high school or middle school biology.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        doubt

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. phd in membrane biology
        Oh wow a phd in slurping propaganda, Impressive. You've been sold lies and weren't broght enough to see through them, tough luck.

      • 2 months ago
        Fuck the Globohomo

        nice try Schlomo not go die in a fire

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      uh anon you know that the primary difference between saturated and unsaturated fat is that one is a solid and the other is a liquid? If it turned your fat between the two you’d literally die. This is nonsense.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thats when they are in foodstuffs I dont think its the same for your cell membranes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It is, but that's irrelevant because membrane lipid composition is a tightly controlled process. Obviously it's not a simple process, I mean cells don't only have one membrane, they have a shitton of distinct membranes, all with unique compositions that regulate function of the organelle, establish their identitiy and so on. Cells are complex, it's not "anything that goes in goes in ~the~ cell membrane so PUFA bad". Ask yourself if the people who've never heard of these basic biochemical concepts are worth listening to.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's complicated so what you eat doesn't affect it
            Just because you went to college doesn't mean you have to be long-winded in your nonsense.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What the fuck nonsense are you talking about? Fat can be composed of different amounts of saturated and unsaturated, it's not just one or the other. Furthermore, our fat cells aren't only made of triglycerides.

        Furthermore, the *scientific research article* I linked showed that the average person's body fat is 20% PUFA, not 100%.

        Are you high or something?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This video breaks it down really well. About 30 minutes, but all very informative.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a good argument for the use of seed oils besides "doesn't matter lol"? This seems pretty damning.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're cheap and shelf-stable, like all other goyslop.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          seed oils are the ultimate slop
          even the sugary junk people percieve as the worst is that bad because of the shitty oils

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plant-based oils have PHYTOSTEROLS which are toxic. Never eat ANY plant-based oil. That includes olive oil.

    - pro atherogenic effects (humans)
    - makes RBC more rigid (shortened rat lifespan)
    - effected hormonal and reproductive system (animals)
    - impaired absorption vit A+E (probably D+K also)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8410723/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      romans and greeks lived breathed and fucked olive oil. if its good enough for those chads its good enough for me

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are probably not eating the same olive oil those guys were.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          therefore i should guzzle sneed oils? whats your point moron?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No. But deifying olive oil is silly. There are better oils out there.
            >like what
            Tallow, ghee, avocado oil, coconut oil
            >why
            PUFA content

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I have duck fat, the label says :
              per 100g
              19g protein
              54g fat of which 25g saturated
              so 46% saturated which seems surprisingly high for bird fat. I guess there's very low PUFA in there, would you use it as a daily cooking fat?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I frankly have no idea. But I think with ducks in general it depends on their diet. Wild ducks should eat fish and worms and stuff, no? But farmed ducks probably eat a lot of seeds and grains.

                You'll notice chicken fat is 20% in there. Pork fat is also 20% PUFA. This is only the case because of the average farm diets of chicken and pork—tons of seeds and grains, which is not what they normally eat. Therefore, their fat contents should be much lower in PUFA.

                Also notice that humans are eating the same goyslop they're feeding chickens and pigs in feeding lots, that's why the average person also has 20% of their body fat as PUFAs. See:

                Eating seed oils literally changes your fat composition from saturated fat (the default for us and every other animal) to unsaturated.

                If you know how unsaturated fats destabilize cell membranes, this would horrify you.

                So, well-raised chickens, pigs, and ducks will have less PUFAs than those animals on standard diets.

                Poor diets don't affect cows much because they're ruminants, by the way. That's why tallow and butter are the best.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                coming back with some interesting stuff I found.
                it turns out duck/geese fat from the LIVER (and not regular adipose tissue) contains no more than 1% PUFAs, which somehow mogs even beef.
                it's because the PUFAs from the shit ton of corn they're fed goes in the standard adipose tissue but the fat from fatty liver is synthetized from the corn's carbohydrates. turns out they only make MUFA and SFAs there.
                foie gras mogs everything (especially in terms of taste)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I always knew foie gras was based. Merci à vous pour l'information, mon ami.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                no use olive oil or coconut oil, pretty much the only edible oils

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                All animal fats are fine. Animal fat includes vitamin E to protect against oxidation.

                All plant oils are toxic. They have phytosterol which is harmful to humans.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >animal fats are fine
                Perhaps in the most significant documented study on heart disease is the Karelia experiment.

                "After the second world war, veterans living in North Karelia were given plots of land as compensation for their service. Pigs and dairy cows were acquired, so meat and dairy then became staples of most of the residents’ diet. Butter, full cream milk, fried pork, and meat stews, all became regular ingredients and meal choices."

                >please note carnitards and ketolards, there are no seed oils present in that diet.

                "Led by medical and social science graduate, Pekka Puska, a team of Finnish scientists, employed by the government, set about changing the eating habits of the community, which almost solely relied upon animal products. The scientists developed and planted rapeseed around the area, marketing it as a butter replacement, and taught residents how to cook with more vegetables."

                "After five years of leafleting, educating, and encouraging people to reduce their meat intake and up their vegetable consumption, the results were impressive. The heart attack rates amongst middle-aged men in the area dropped by 25 percent, mortality from cancer fell by 10 percent, and life expectancy surged. The study was ground-breaking, and Puska, his scientists, and the residents of North Karelia inspired many other regions in Finland to follow their lead. But it didn’t just stop there. Studies in the US, Japan, Italy, the Netherlands, Greece, and Yugoslavia followed, and the link between meat and dairy-heavy diets and heart disease began to be established. It was found that the Italians and the Greeks, who followed largely plant-based diets, had significantly lower levels of heart disease than in places like North Karelia."

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice try, vegan.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wow a bunch of epidemiology and then a bunch of meaningless unsourced text.

                Maybe people are dying of disease less because of MEDICAL ADVANCEMENTS, you fucking brainiac.

                https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.94.12.3130
                >For some time, it has been a matter of scientific debate whether the decrease in the coronary mortality rate is mainly due to decreased incidence or decreased case-fatality rate.
                >Since that time, however, considerable development has taken place in the field of acute coronary care; for example, coronary care units became widely used in the latter half of the 1970s.
                >During the 1980s, treatment practices have been monitored by the acute coronary care surveys of the FINMONICA MI Registers, which have revealed marked changes in the treatment of MI as well as in the treatment of symptomatic CHD in general.22
                >Most notably, the use of thrombolytic treatment for definite MIs has increased from almost zero to 37% to 47%, depending on study area, during 1986 to 1992. The use of acetyl salicylic acid also has increased significantly. β-Blockers were commonly used in 1986, when the first acute coronary care survey of FINMONICA was carried out.
                >More recently, the use of ACE inhibitors after MI has increased considerably.

                Did you also know no one dies of the bubonic plague anymore now that veganism exists? Hmm really makes you think.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you forget to mention that they were reducing the amount people were smoking at the same time in that project? Or do you genuinely believe people get heart disease from eating animal fat?

                >At baseline, the prevalence of CHD risk factors was high. Approximately 52% of men aged 25-59 years were current smokers, their average serum cholesterol level was 269 (mg/dl), and the average blood pressure was 147/91 (mmHg). Participation rates in the baseline survey were excellent (>90%) in both North Karelia and in the reference area. In the 1977 survey, these rates were approximately 90% in the two study areas; participation rates of approximately 80% in North Karelia and 82% in the reference area were observed in the 1982 survey.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You literally need some PUFA just to live, and olive only has 8% in your picture

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You literally need some PUFA just to live
                Please provide 1 source for this ridiculous claim. Please show me anything saying no intake of PUFAs = death.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is extremely basic stuff:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

                >Only two fatty acids are known to be essential for humans: alpha-linolenic acid (an omega-3 fatty acid) and linoleic acid (an omega-6 fatty acid).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, so far you've shown they're classified as "essential" because we can't synthesize them.

                Now please provide evidence that no PUFAs = death.

                Can you provide 1 study where someone was dying because they didn't eat any PUFAs? Your claim was:
                >you literally need some PUFA just to live

                I appreciate you actually providing a link, so I think it's only fair for me to provide evidence of my claim that you don't need to eat things with significant/measurable PUFA content, and so here is evidence that you can eat meat and animal fat exclusively and live healthy:

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524027/
                >Subjected to great criticism and even scorn, Stefansson agreed to recreate the Inuit diet under scientific observation.
                >Therefore, for the calendar year of 1929 he and a colleague from his arctic explorations ate a diet consisting of meat and fat for 12 months.
                >For the first 3 months of this study, the two explorers were under constant observation to guarantee dietary compliance, after which they were allowed more freedom of movement but with frequent tests to document that they remained in ketosis.
                >both subjects survived the 12 months in apparent good health, having no signs of scurvy (which was predicted to occur within the first 3 months) or other deficiency diseases.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                , for the calendar year of 1929 he and a colleague from his arctic explorations ate a diet consisting of meat and fat for 12 months.
                All meat contains some amount of PUFA.

                From the same wiki page I linked:
                >Collins et al. 1970[10] were the first to demonstrate linoleic acid deficiency in adults. They found that patients undergoing intravenous nutrition with glucose became isolated from their fat supplies and rapidly developed biochemical signs of essential fatty acid deficiency (an increase in 20:3n-9/20:4n-6 ratio in plasma) and skin symptoms. This could be treated by infusing lipids, and later studies showed that topical application of sunflower oil would also resolve the dermal symptoms.[11] Linoleic acid has a specific role in maintaining the skin water-permeability barrier, probably as constituents of acylglycosylceramides. This role cannot be met by any ω-3 fatty acids or by arachidonic acid.
                >The main physiological requirement for ω-6 fatty acids is attributed to arachidonic acid. Arachidonic acid is the major precursor of prostaglandins, leukotrienes that play a vital role in cell signaling, and an endogenous cannabinoid anandamide.[12] Metabolites from the ω-3 pathway, mainly from eicosapentaenoic acid, are mostly inactive, and this explains why ω-3 fatty acids do not correct the reproductive failure in rats where arachidonic is needed to make active prostaglandins that cause uterine contraction.[13] To some extent, any ω-3 or ω-6 can contribute to the growth-promoting effects of EFA deficiency, but only ω-6 fatty acids can restore reproductive performance and correct the dermatitis in rats. Particular fatty acids are still needed at critical life stages (e.g. lactation) and in some disease states.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting, thank you. It looks like, as long as we are getting plenty of saturated fat, we only need a small amount of PUFAs, which like you said would come from meat anyway. I say that because a lot of the adverse effects of "linoleic acid deficiency" described on that wiki page are due to general fat deficiencies, as described in the Collins paragraph where the man ran solely on glucose (a really bad idea). But elsewhere they demonstrated that 100% saturated fat didn't work, so some amount of PUFAs is necessary.

                I always wondered why eggs had so many PUFAs (I think about 15%) compared to other animal-based fats like tallow and butter. From this, I gather that tallow and butter are strictly sources of energy for animals, but eggs need everything, including PUFAs for arachidonic acid and cell signaling and such, as your quote describes. I think that's really interesting.

                The Wikipedia page said we need about 10 calories of one PUFA and 150 calories of another PUFA daily. I wonder if those are true. I have a feeling that the second one is inflated, but I have 0 evidence to back that up... just a feeling.

                With all that being said, this information is definitely being used in a twisted way. Elsewhere on that wiki page they describe babies suffering from adverse effects when fed a formula of skim milk + coconut oil exclusively. So I bet manufacturers these days use that to justify making baby formula from corn sugar + söybean oil... instead of just using real, whole milk.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          actually the olives are from literally the same trees (if you buy greek, pugliese and tuscan extra(extra) virgine)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are probably not eating the same olive oil those guys were.

        the Italian mob prevents real olive oil from leaving the country.
        >all the olive oil you eat is Chinese trash.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They were also the largest gays in history.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do health nut women always loook so fucking ugly?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because women get all their health advice from ~~*doctors*~~.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's a weird way to say gnomish

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because they lack nutrition

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what this post fails to tell you is that there is very little to no toxicity to eating freshly pressed and non-heated oils lol. you're not entirely wrong though, as most people wouldn't go through the trouble of doing that.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk if this makes me a very emotional person but this picture gave me genuine sadness. i unironically feel so bad for the dude i just want to see him happy again after that incident

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >quad-quads
      CHECKED
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  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not very good, but the way some people treat it is far too dramatic. Majority of the time they’re skinnyfat DYEL’s who don’t even lift, yet spend all day obsessing over diet and fitness.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yeah the thing changing the biochemistry of hundreds of millions of humans at a molecular level? nah don't worry about it too much
      Do you worry about anything in your life? You sound like the type of person to say "Nah the gas prices aren't that bad. Going up a little bit but they always are."

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The no science, no speculation or theory, simple observation approach to seed oils
    >seed oils have to be extracted through a long process, filled with machinery and chemicals, including bleaching and deodorizing the oil.
    >butter and olive oil are so simple you can make them at home.
    >both cost the same
    Hmmmm, I dunno man, I can't choose which is healthier

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like this approach. You can also look at what the mainstream ideas are, look at what mainstream people are like (50% obese, 75% overweight in America), and then either follow those ideas or do the complete opposite.

      https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/healthy-cooking-oils

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >implying Americans follow any of the guidelines set.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you denying that seed oils are the most commonly bought cooking oil or what?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They do, most of them eat high carb and vegetable oils, like the guidelines say.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >high oil
            >like the guidelines say

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The food pyramid is extremely outdated. Are you a time traveler or something? See

              I like this approach. You can also look at what the mainstream ideas are, look at what mainstream people are like (50% obese, 75% overweight in America), and then either follow those ideas or do the complete opposite.

              https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/healthy-cooking-oils

              Also, obligatory
              >12 servings of bread a day

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >corn is a vegetable
              Hmmm

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why is this video so hot. I love women.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          checked & based fat cunts

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have lunch and dinner at my uni restaurant and it's all cooked in vegetable oil and this shit makes my intestine don't work properly, shit skin quality, etc.
    I hate it but I have to eat there because it's cheap.
    Avoid it like plague everywhere else

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    gotta have something to blame their fat weak shitty bodies on, might as well be sunflower seeds.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/are-vegetable-and-seed-oils-bad

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah they're bad. It's not like they'll kill you instantly or you have seed oil a couple times a year it will do anything. But if you accept it as food and use it regularly you can expect health ptoblems. Personally I really don't care if you like them and want to consume them, I'll leave that choice to you.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. The seed oil meme is the latest fatcel cope. Land whales need something to blame for their disfigured bodies. They won’t admit that they just consume too many calories.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fatcel cope
      I never saw any fat person talking about the seed oils, just autistic schizos who lift talk about them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're just trying to shift the focus away from the core facts of diet & exercise to extract a few shekels from hopeful chumps looking for the proverbial free lunch, while ensuring that said chumps never make it and become the competition.
        >see also: Schwarzenegger and any other "vegan" who didn't stop eating meat until after puberty

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Schwarzenegger is a chronic liar and I doubt anything he says about his diet is true.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This. He really turned out to be a piece of shit.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have this theory that seed oils and vegetable oils are one of the main reasons nowadays for people's poor eyesight. I shit you not.
    I do not know <<the science™>> behind it and I bet nobody does. This is only from my own and one of my close friend's personal experience.
    >be me
    >14 years old
    >typical 90s childhood - most free time is spent outside, riding my bike, meeting my friends, exploring the local woods
    >almost no time is spent looking at screens
    Somehow between the ages 15-16 my vision started to deteriorate and I needed glasses, so did another friend of mine.
    What happened? Right around that time we got some part time jobs after school and now that we had our own income, we started spending that money on things that we liked - potato chips (previously parents would not let us eat that garbage).
    When I was around 23 I decided to lose weight and started paying attention to my diet. First thing I removed were "highly processed foods" which turned out to be mostly foods containing those oils. In about a month my eyesight, after 7 years of wearing glasses, returned to perfectly normal. I told my friend to follow my diet and he fixed his vision too

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is seed oil really that big a deal?
    Of course not, do you really think a bunch of fat fucks on here have some occult nutrition knowledge

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not occult you mongrel. Or are you telling me people have fewer heart conditions nowadays than in the 1900s when they only ate animal fats and cold pressed olive oil?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        People have heart problems because they’re fucking obese because they’re eat 4000 calories per day and exercise little if at all. Shut up and post body

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nothing you eat affects your heart at all because the only thing that matters about your diet is how fat you are
          I don't know what they're teaching you in med school these days, doc, but that doesn't sound quite right.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no body posted
            I accept your concession fatcel.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have a picture of your body?

              Body pic?

              A picture of your body. I need a body.

              Sorry, I mean I need a picture that explicitly shows your body. This is just tangential to the discussion.

              No, you can't make inferences and observations from the life experience you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be supported with body pictures you've gathered.

              You can't make normative statements without a body picture.

              You still haven't provided me a valid body picture yet.

              Nope, still haven't.

              I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a keto supporter. A ketolard.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          do you understand that the human body is not a simple oven in which you throw calories? are you telling me what you eat doesn't matter at all? obesity is obviously a factor but your body is more than just muscle and fat. there's more to nutrition than calories.
          here's a simple graph to show my point. you have a very simplistic (not to say dumb) perception of nutrition.
          also,

          >nothing you eat affects your heart at all because the only thing that matters about your diet is how fat you are
          I don't know what they're teaching you in med school these days, doc, but that doesn't sound quite right.

          isn't me but is right.

          I frankly have no idea. But I think with ducks in general it depends on their diet. Wild ducks should eat fish and worms and stuff, no? But farmed ducks probably eat a lot of seeds and grains.

          You'll notice chicken fat is 20% in there. Pork fat is also 20% PUFA. This is only the case because of the average farm diets of chicken and pork—tons of seeds and grains, which is not what they normally eat. Therefore, their fat contents should be much lower in PUFA.

          Also notice that humans are eating the same goyslop they're feeding chickens and pigs in feeding lots, that's why the average person also has 20% of their body fat as PUFAs. See: [...]

          So, well-raised chickens, pigs, and ducks will have less PUFAs than those animals on standard diets.

          Poor diets don't affect cows much because they're ruminants, by the way. That's why tallow and butter are the best.

          Yeah, ruminant animals have the magical ability to turn PUFAs into SFAs.
          Also a good reason not to pay a hefty premium for grass fed beef. I suppose ducks are mostly fed corn, which isn't the best choice. I wish they had to show the whole fat composition on the label.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >more fatty cope
            Put the fork down

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I have put down the fork. Picrel is progress. Yet not everyone who suffers inflammation, heart attacks, coronary disease and whatnot is obese. Keep gulping motor oil and let's see how's your heart in 20 years.
              A calorie deficit is a conditio sine qua non for fat loss. Doesn't mean that you'll be healthy sustaining yourself with industrial waste.

              >I wish they had to show the whole fat composition on the label.
              Labels are such garbage anyway. They imply a food is defined by its calorie count, macronutrient composition, and its composition of fiber and like 6 vitamins. A ridiculous notion, considering there are probably hundreds of micronutrients, most of which we don't even know about. The 20th century was a disaster for nutrition.

              it still baffles people when I tell them the most micronutrient-rich foods they have at hand are dumb cheap eggs and not a boatload of ridiculously expensive vegetables.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > A calorie deficit is a conditio sine qua non for fat loss.
                Wait, is this ketoschizo? If so, your views seem to be evolving; in the past you basically refused to admit that calories were real. Proud of u if it’s you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, not ketoschizo. I don't care about carbs. For me they're just non filling calories (apart from boiled potato) and I avoid them in general because I'm cutting but when I go back to eating maintenance calories I'll incorporate them again.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but is "ketoschizo" even a real person? When I think of "ketoschizo" I think about the schizophrenic guy who posts in every nutrition thread, calling a few people "ketolards" and posting that reddit picture. Not someone who actually practices keto.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I wish they had to show the whole fat composition on the label.
            Labels are such garbage anyway. They imply a food is defined by its calorie count, macronutrient composition, and its composition of fiber and like 6 vitamins. A ridiculous notion, considering there are probably hundreds of micronutrients, most of which we don't even know about. The 20th century was a disaster for nutrition.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >THE SCIENCE says so
    >provides no link to any scientific evidence
    Why are people who brag about going to college like this? Is it because they don't have fathers?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Linking random studies that none has read and aren't even relevant to the discussion might be common practice on IST, but it's not science. Most of you guys should be reading middle and high school level textbooks, not papers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i follow the science
        >what science?
        >i'm way smarter than you and i'm not even gonna say
        Yup this guy definitely went to college multiple times and definitely got 3–4 COVID vaccines.

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005273612000156
        >Fatty acid composition of membrane bilayers: Importance of diet polyunsaturated fat balance
        >Young adult male Sprague–Dawley rats were fed one of twelve moderate-fat diets
        >Diet balance between n−3 and n−6 PUFA had a biphasic influence on membrane composition. When n−3 PUFA < 10% of total PUFA, membrane composition completely conformed to diet
        >The modern human diet has an average PUFA balance ~ 10% and this will likely have significant health implications.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442228/
        >Polyunsaturated fatty acids and membrane organization: The balance between immunotherapy and susceptibility to infection
        >We propose that PUFAs modulate antigen presentation by altering the organization of lipid and protein molecules of the plasma membrane and endomembranes
        >Dietary intake of PUFAs results in their incorporation into the membranes of essentially all cells in the body.
        >In tissues devoid of PUFAs, uptake into the membrane can result in dramatic changes in the acyl chain profile of membrane lipids.

        Oops, turns out it's actually common sense and well-established that your diet affects the composition of your cells and eating PUFAs puts PUFAs into your cell membrane!

        You are an absolutely pathetic person.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're just proving my point about
          >Linking random studies that none has read and aren't even relevant to the discussion
          Please just stop embarrassing yourself. What both papers are saying, relevant to the point, is that too little availability leads to lower integration into membranes, which is... also trivially obvious, but has nothing to do with your previous point. In fact, the takeaway from these papers would be "don't eat too little seed oil".

          The first paper, a paper you unironically linked yourself, thinking it would support your nonsense, exactly explains to you that you're retarded:
          >Extensive changes in diet SFA, MUFA and PUFA had minimal effect on membranes
          >diet PUFA balance > 10% had little influence

          Pleas keep BTFOing yourself.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not him, but doesn't that paper's abstract say that if PUFA balance < 10% then diet does have a strong correlation to cell membranes?

            seems like an important result, especially considering that the bulk of most people's PUFA intake is from shitty processed seed oils high in omega-6 and not nearly as much healthy omega-3 sources

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You are correct, but it doesn't matter what you point out, because the person you're responding to is completely brainwashed. Notice how he completely ignored the 2nd study which was about humans (and not rats).

              Instead of countering the points made or providing any counter evidence, he changed the subject and then attacked something no one else quoted except him (i.e. a strawman).

              There is no reason to respond to people who literally start conversations with "I am college-educated and I don't need to provide evidence, because you wouldn't understand it. The science says I'm right." They think the world revolves around them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >people who literally start conversations with "I am college-educated and I don't need to provide evidence, because you wouldn't understand it. The science says I'm right."
                they are literal antiscience, a burden for humans developmnent

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Instead of countering the points made or providing any counter evidence

                Pointing out that everything you say is wrong, and that you don't understand the papers you're linking is counter evidence enough.
                I told you that, mechanistically, the review mentioned the same thing.

                Lets recap: Your original point was that consumption of seed oils alter membrane homeostasis with abnormally high integration of PUFA that disrupts stability of cell membranes. Your... "evidence", for this was

                >PUFA triglyceride content of adipocyte lipid droplets (literally a mirror of "dietary fats consumed) increases
                >Low consumption of PUFAs leads to reduced integration into cell membranes, which promotes inflammation.

                Truly, this shows you were right, our cell membranes are all going to bust because they are 90% PUFA

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                stfu vegchud

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The study showed that for low intakes of omega-3 fatty acids, the cell membrane omega 3 proportion rose proportionally to the diet %, but for higher (>10%) omega 3 there was no corrrelation. This makes sense, as the body tightly regulates the composition of the membrane, but is unable to synthesise omega-3 (need to get from diet). So when the diet is low in omega 3, it will use as much as it can, but when excess omega 3 is present, it wont be incorporated.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >are oils that are basically a waste product from animal feed production, washed with industrial solvents, invented in the 20th century and with a completely different composition from naturally occuring available fats on which humans evolved unhealthy?
    of course not. it's actually the opposite. animal fat clogs your heart, goy!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Canola oil was invented as a lubricant (hence the name canola), not as goyslop. It just so happened to be perfect goyslop.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        wait till they understand "canola" stands for CANadian Oil Low Acid and it's not an actual plant kek

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >mfw I learned canola oil is just the pc version of RAPEseed oil

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So we should drink olive oil?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you? There are better oils.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @67386874
    >he’s actually a ham planet
    Topkek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have gone from literal hamplanet to visible serratus anterior in under 6 months. Other anons have posted body too.
      What are you, a vegan? Why don't you post body or at least some data?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      another one
      why does people losing fat bother you? are you a projecting fatty yourself?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have gone from literal hamplanet to visible serratus anterior in under 6 months. Other anons have posted body too.
        What are you, a vegan? Why don't you post body or at least some data?

        Yes yes very good but let’s see what you look like I want to see your shredded serratus :^)

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Use lard
    Or olive oil
    Or combination of both
    Avoid all else
    /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Or olive oil
      or RAW olive oil (like in salad dressing or a drizzle on a steak after cooked)
      olive is still bad at high temperature, use it only raw or stews or soups
      Still based /thread tho

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lard
      Bad idea unless it's high quality, because pigs don't handle seed and grain feed well like cows can. Tallow is better than lard in all aspects. With that being said, the worst lard is better than the best seed oils (e.g. canola oil, corn oil. olive oil is not a seed oil because it comes from the fruit).

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care about all of this bullshit, I'll use the same fats my ancestors used: Olive oil, lard and butter. Just like my father, and my father's father, and so on, for thousands of years.
    tfw Euro Chad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you're using the same olives your ancestors did from the same farms and the pigs are on the same diet, right?

      You better not tell me your olive oil is being stored for months, transported over hundreds of miles or coming from pesticide-ridden olives. Or that your pigs are fed grain and seeds and not just eating bugs, worms, and small animals.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The olive oil comes from a family friend my dad used to play football with when they were younger, meat from the local butcher who purchases his pigs from the farmers in our region. Is it perfect, no, but still better than whatever the city folks get.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Very nice, that's good to hear. Sounds excellent and please enjoy.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'd rather be snorting meth than eating the typical doses of which people consume PUFAs (seed oils) and I'm a pretty risk averse person. At leas with the meth I'd be getting lean & probably doing some cool shit.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The truth is cooking with ANY fat is completely unnecessary and harmful

    >seed oils
    All oxidized to a large extent.
    >olive oil, coco oil, and other ketolard approved oils
    Both should be limited and only used on already cooked dishes. No oils should ever be cooked with.
    >animal fats
    Consume too much animal fat and you will get heart disease. I don't care if you cope and seethe this is a fact.

    Most importantly, all oils/fats add many unnecessary calories, make your foods unhealthily addictive, contribute to insulin resistance paired with carbs, and take up no space in your stomach, not contributing to satiety and causing obesity.

    >conclusion
    You get more than enough necessary fatty acids just from a regular diet. NOBODY in the entire West has a fat deficiency.

    EPA and DHA are the only real fatty acids you have any risk of ever becoming deficient in. To remedy this, just eat fish or use cold-pressed flaxseed oil.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah I mean it's only necessary to, you know, actually be able to cook.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's only necessary to, you know, actually be able to cook.
        Only if you aren't good at cooking or are addicted to unhealthy food.

        >I don't care if you cope and seethe this is a fact.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
        yeah bro it's a fact because some piece of shit called Ancel Keys who wasn't even a medical doctor cherry picked data to make it seem like saturated fats caused heart disease.
        Humans have evolved to eat vegetable oils that were invented in the 20th century, not animal fats that have been roaming the Earth for millions of years.

        >french paradox
        WW2 generation deprived of fatty meals + massive underreporting of heart disease due to different diagnoses criteria

        >I don't care if you cope and seethe this is a fact.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
        yeah bro it's a fact because some piece of shit called Ancel Keys who wasn't even a medical doctor cherry picked data to make it seem like saturated fats caused heart disease.
        Humans have evolved to eat vegetable oils that were invented in the 20th century, not animal fats that have been roaming the Earth for millions of years.

        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
        If you would note you braindead ketolard, I did not endorse seed oils, rather I stated ALL oils should be avoided.

        >I don't care if you cope and seethe this is a fact.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
        yeah bro it's a fact because some piece of shit called Ancel Keys who wasn't even a medical doctor cherry picked data to make it seem like saturated fats caused heart disease.
        Humans have evolved to eat vegetable oils that were invented in the 20th century, not animal fats that have been roaming the Earth for millions of years.

        >Ancel Keys
        Lived to 100. As well as similar physicians to himself.

        Pic rel. They lived their lives consuming based saturated fat with zero evil seed oils and they still died of atherosclerosis.

        Cope and seethe ketolard.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >rich guy who sold lies for profit lived until 100 years old
          Wow it's like long-term health is directly associated with wealth. Who would've thought?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >long-term health is directly associated with wealth
            Okinawa follows the diet he recommended and they have the longest lifespans on Earth.
            >muh
            Cope and seethe.

            Wow a bunch of epidemiology and then a bunch of meaningless unsourced text.

            Maybe people are dying of disease less because of MEDICAL ADVANCEMENTS, you fucking brainiac.

            https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.94.12.3130
            >For some time, it has been a matter of scientific debate whether the decrease in the coronary mortality rate is mainly due to decreased incidence or decreased case-fatality rate.
            >Since that time, however, considerable development has taken place in the field of acute coronary care; for example, coronary care units became widely used in the latter half of the 1970s.
            >During the 1980s, treatment practices have been monitored by the acute coronary care surveys of the FINMONICA MI Registers, which have revealed marked changes in the treatment of MI as well as in the treatment of symptomatic CHD in general.22
            >Most notably, the use of thrombolytic treatment for definite MIs has increased from almost zero to 37% to 47%, depending on study area, during 1986 to 1992. The use of acetyl salicylic acid also has increased significantly. β-Blockers were commonly used in 1986, when the first acute coronary care survey of FINMONICA was carried out.
            >More recently, the use of ACE inhibitors after MI has increased considerably.

            Did you also know no one dies of the bubonic plague anymore now that veganism exists? Hmm really makes you think.

            >a bunch of epidemiology
            Literally thousands of well documented studies on saturated fat and heart disease.

            Did you forget to mention that they were reducing the amount people were smoking at the same time in that project? Or do you genuinely believe people get heart disease from eating animal fat?

            >At baseline, the prevalence of CHD risk factors was high. Approximately 52% of men aged 25-59 years were current smokers, their average serum cholesterol level was 269 (mg/dl), and the average blood pressure was 147/91 (mmHg). Participation rates in the baseline survey were excellent (>90%) in both North Karelia and in the reference area. In the 1977 survey, these rates were approximately 90% in the two study areas; participation rates of approximately 80% in North Karelia and 82% in the reference area were observed in the 1982 survey.

            >they were reducing the amount people were smoking at the same time in that project?
            They aimed to reduce all inflammatory factors, of which saturated fat intake was the primary factor.
            >do you genuinely believe people get heart disease from eating animal fat?
            I do. Most of IST does. And everyone in the medical establishment who isn't a meme doctor selling keto supplements agrees.

            By that logic, hunter-gatherers were dropping dead left and right from eating animal fat.

            You should go back in time and save the Native Americans when they hunted bears and gorged on bear fat. Excuse me you guys that's bad for your heart actually. You crave and treasure that fat but actually it's gonna clog your arteries. Or you could go back to prehistoric Europe and tell them to stop hunting moose. Or literally any other prehistoric society at any time in our hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

            Can you name 1 reason why an animal like a dog can digest infinite animal fat with no problem but we mysteriously can't? It doesn't even have to be a good reason, just humor me. Do you think we are just slower at digesting fat and it just ends up in our arteries and our body just leaves it there?

            >hunter-gatherers were dropping dead left and right from eating animal fat.
            Yes. Heart disease takes decades to develop however, it's not infectious. They lived fast and died young, in crippling pain. If that's your ideal, go ahead. I am in favor of eugenics after all.

            >Lived to 100 therefore he was right
            And there are centenarians who smoke a pack a day and chug soda like it's water, are they right, too?

            Some people in Chernobyl died of cancer a few months, years, to decades after exposure. Some are still alive today.

            However, those who eat the optimal diet will overall do much better.

            Gentlemen (1 ketoschizo), do we have any more copes for today?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Okinawa
              Pork is a staple in Okinawa. Try again.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This. Pork is a massive staple there. I don't think they realize that most of these places aren't a mystery to anyone anymore and they can't hide behind that facade any longer.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Okinawa
                Pork is a staple in Okinawa. Try again.

                >samefagging your own posts
                At first the keto nonsense was annoying, but now I feel genuinely sad for you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aww try again babby. You want me to google "Pork is a staple in Okinawa" for you?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Pork is a staple in Okinawa
                You keep repeating that lie ketoschizo. Get some new material

                >Literally thousands of well documented studies on saturated fat and heart disease.
                And you can't link one good one. Pathetic.

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696
                http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
                https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200203114328.htm
                "Eating red meat and processed meat hikes heart disease and death risk, study finds"
                https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
                World Health Organization: "Red meat is linked to cancer." "An analysis of data from 10 studies estimated that every 50 gram portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by about 18%."
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357167/
                "In 2004, Moorman and Terry [8] published a review of the existing literature. They concluded that dairy products represent a heterogeneous group of foodstuff with a potential of an increased risk for breast cancer."
                https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-prevention/diet-exercise/nutrition-diet/fruit-vegetables/meat-and-cancer/
                "Processed meat consumption has also been strongly linked to a higher risk of stomach cancer." "The World Health Organization has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, bacon and frankfurts – as a Group 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer."
                https://www.bcpp.org/resource/rbgh-rbst/
                "The use of rBST in dairy cows has been shown to increase the concentrations of IGF-1, a protein naturally found in milk. Though research is mixed on the extent to which dairy consumption is linked to increased cancer risk, higher blood levels of IGF-1 have been linked to increased risk for pre-menopausal breast cancer."

                They get linked all the time, ketoschizo, you just can't read because of brain damage from vaccines and keto acidosis.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >is linked
                >associated with
                And not a single clinical trial to back up these claims as usual. Bravo veganschizo

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aww try again babby. You want me to google "Pork is a staple in Okinawa" for you?

                Please choose your favorite one, I obviously am not going to go through 12 studies.

                Or, if you refuse, I can link dump, too. You can choose 🙂

                Will your cozy shill job be worth it when you face your Creator and have to fess up your lies?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hahaha you forgot to include the author of the article!

                Hmm Ansley Hill doesn't look too Japanese does she? In fact, she's from Oregon.
                https://www.healthline.com/authors/ansley-hill

                Pathetic.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >64% of people (i.e. most) lived past 45
                45 years old isn't old and we can guarantee most of those are women.
                [...]
                Okinawans are not Japanese and you are not an alpha male.

                Sorry Ansley who's never been to Okinawa, you're wrong about the diet of the people you never met before!

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11710358/
                >History and characteristics of Okinawan longevity food
                >Pork, konbu and tofu (onions bean-curd) are indispensable ingredients in festival menus,
                >there is a wide array of plant foods including seaweed (especially konbu) and onions, and of herbaceous plants, accompanied by fish and pork

                More, give me more to BTFO.

                >Okinawans are not Japanese
                Well they sure as hell are not from Oregon LOL

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >sea weed
                >plant food
                Fucking kek!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pork is a staple
                >b-but they eat SEAWEED!
                Do you know what "sushi" is? If you're surprised Japanese people eat seaweed, you need to go out more often.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Algae isn't a plant you fucking goof

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what is it then

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Essentially a mass of micro organisms.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                uhmm actually they're protists.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, algae are definitely eukaryotes. Also, seaweed is a vegetable and I don't care about taxonomy. A taco is not a sandwich.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please choose your favorite one, I obviously am not going to go through 12 studies.

                Or, if you refuse, I can link dump, too. You can choose 🙂

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have you been to okinawa anon? Its rare not to be eating meat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                6/10

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks but I didn't need a rate anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have updated my rating to 6.5/10

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you look cute anon 🙂

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks but I didn't need a rate anon.

                holy shit fucking cute how are you real
                you're straight out of some sort of yaoi

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I actually look like a grown ass man without the mask anon

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you got really nice eyes anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cute!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Go home American soldier

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                someone translate graph

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Literally thousands of well documented studies on saturated fat and heart disease.
              And you can't link one good one. Pathetic.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They lived fast and died young, in crippling pain.
              Source: my ass. 64% lived past age 45 and 80% of those who died before 45 died as children.

              Took me 5 seconds to google, you dubious gay.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >21 and 37 years
                i suppose that is a great life expectancy for the ketoschizo

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i can't read and I don't know what "average" means
                Pathetic. I wondered if you would embarrass yourself like this, that's why I included the screenshot instead of just quoting.

                Here you go, I'll link some more Wikipedia articles you can read.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median

                Here's a hint: we were talking about range and standard deviation, not mean. If you don't know what those mean, I can't help you. They're a bit more complicated than mean and median (which you don't have a good grasp of yet).

                64% of people (i.e. most) lived past 45. Hunter-gatherers did not "live fast and die young."

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >64% of people (i.e. most) lived past 45
                45 years old isn't old and we can guarantee most of those are women.

                Hahaha you forgot to include the author of the article!

                Hmm Ansley Hill doesn't look too Japanese does she? In fact, she's from Oregon.
                https://www.healthline.com/authors/ansley-hill

                Pathetic.

                Okinawans are not Japanese and you are not an alpha male.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we can guarantee most of those are women.
                Yup, because women don't die as children or from childbirth or anything hahaha.

                I'm up for a few more minutes, please respond more quickly and keep going without looking anything up or providing any sources for any ridiculous claims. You are getting more retarded with every post.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we can guarantee most of those are women.
                So animal fat only kills if you're a man? Damn. We can't enjoy steak or exercise, life stinks.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Trust the science. 11 serving of grain a day, but 14 is better. Do the right thing we're all in this together, eat the goyslop.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Lived to 100 therefore he was right
          And there are centenarians who smoke a pack a day and chug soda like it's water, are they right, too?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And there are centenarians who smoke a pack a day and chug soda like it's water, are they right, too?
            yes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ketolard
          this term outs you as a mad vegan every single time. you're retarded for still using it. anyway omega 3s are not saturated fats, you fucking tard

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope and seethe ketolard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't care if you cope and seethe this is a fact.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
      yeah bro it's a fact because some piece of shit called Ancel Keys who wasn't even a medical doctor cherry picked data to make it seem like saturated fats caused heart disease.
      Humans have evolved to eat vegetable oils that were invented in the 20th century, not animal fats that have been roaming the Earth for millions of years.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      By that logic, hunter-gatherers were dropping dead left and right from eating animal fat.

      You should go back in time and save the Native Americans when they hunted bears and gorged on bear fat. Excuse me you guys that's bad for your heart actually. You crave and treasure that fat but actually it's gonna clog your arteries. Or you could go back to prehistoric Europe and tell them to stop hunting moose. Or literally any other prehistoric society at any time in our hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

      Can you name 1 reason why an animal like a dog can digest infinite animal fat with no problem but we mysteriously can't? It doesn't even have to be a good reason, just humor me. Do you think we are just slower at digesting fat and it just ends up in our arteries and our body just leaves it there?

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zero micronutrients oil slop

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're a big deal in the fact that they're present in significant quantities in so much processed and fast food, and are a dense source of empty calories. Anything beyond that is I HATE THE ANTICHRIST tier Joe Rogan fringe carnivore dietitian schizoposting.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is exactly it.

      More calories, more inflammation, too much omega-6s, and it adds absolutely nothing to your meals.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >too much omega-6s
        for me this is the key factor why i avoid processed plant oils. butter and tallow only for me.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he doesn't know that eating asbestos gives massive gains

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is an easy to watch vid that breaks down LE SCIENCE!!! on why seed oils are bad.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Seed oils are the unmanliest girliest shit you can eat. Bird food oil, fucking lovely. Grow a dick you seed oil eating pussies.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A mere 30 years ago, people were saying "is asbestos really that big a deal?"

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fat people arguing about minutiae instead of just eating less
    You all suck. Post body so that I can laugh

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ketoschizo enters the thread and immediately starts spamming nonsense
    >everyone who disagrees with him is a vegan chud

    It mystifies me how this guy hasn't been banned yet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Look gay, I'm not him, but you can't come back a few minutes and green text pretending your someone else and think you won.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you talking about the guy claiming Okinawa is not Japan and Okinawans don't eat meat (according to a woman from Oregon) and human ancestors all died at young ages and heart attack mortality rates have nothing to do with medical advancements?

      Yeah he for sure sounds like a vegan transexual.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's because he is bud. They don't get much more warped than him.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My question to vegans is if veganism will make me live 15 more years why would I want that?

    Seriously. Have you seen how fucked up the world is right now? I don't need to live to see my great great grandson genderqueers getting blacked by garden gnomemoron mutts.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I DRANK A SEED OIL ONCE AQNBD MY DICK SHRIVELED UP LIKE A RAISIN AND FELL OFF

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One question. Let’s say my carbs are coming from commercial white bread and some tortilla wraps that have some seed oils in the ingredients list but they are minimal in macros in terms of fat, will I be ok? Considering that I’m lean and workout hard in the gym? I’m asking because this diet is working really well on me and my gym bro as well, I put some lean tissue with this diet, is a mixture of Greg and my own macro break down. Thoughts?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah man you can eat some bread and tortillas. They're just not the best. Your optimal diet is all about having a balance of the healthiest foods and foods that obviously aren't healthy but you like to eat them because sandwiches or burritos or whatever are just convenient.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thing about this topic (or any other scientific topic) is that it is impossible to really figure out as a normal person.

    Where do you start? Go 2 years on stuff with lots of seed oils and 2 without? Well most shit just has seed oils or any of the other stuff we complain about. On top of that the only real way to quantify these things personally is by your weight and how you feel. I'd doubt you'd just have accesses to blood tests, ect. In the end it doesn't matter that much, but if tou have to do somthing you can either accept it, or go full schizo and live In the woods and only hunter and farm personally. This quasy-caring BS of hating society yet nonchalantly participating is just retarded

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or just cook your meals with natural fats and avoid processed and commercially fried foods. There you go 95% of seed oils gone from your diet

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got the need for seed

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is seed oil really that big a deal?
    yes it is. they basically mess up your hormones, shift your test to estrogen balance in favor of estrogen. read Ray Peats articles on the topic. or trust the ~~*mainstream science*~~, guzzle down the ~~*slob*~~ and wonder why you join the army of s$yboys.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wonder why you join the army of s$yboys
      Microplastics, soi, childhood vaccinations.

      None of which are seed oils. Do you have any questions my low-IQ, easily-enraged psychotic brethren?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >söi has no seed oil
        >calls other people low-IQ
        oof

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even understand why vegans vehemently defend seed oils.
    There's olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil. They're all great options.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >vegans vehemently defend seed oils
      I've never seen a single vegan defend seed oils and in fact some of the oldest research showing seed oils are bad was done by Doctors like Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. Walter Kempner, and Dr. Colin Campbell

      Esselstyn even says it's just as bad as saturated fat and Dr. Campbell says it's even worse than animal fats.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean on this board.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Still don't know any examples of vegans defending seed oils.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you intentionally being obtuse? There is an even in imagine in this thread showing "heart.org" saying seed oils are healthy oils. That means it's the mainstream. Do you think that no vegan believes this mainstream notion believed by hundreds of millions of people?

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're just looking for something to blame for their lack of discipline

    It used to be alcohol and now they decided to try to justify drinking by shit talking seed oils

    Just hide the threads and learn powerlifting (and make sure to do cardio)

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Industrially processed seed oil is extremely toxic for you. It was made to be machine lubricant, not food. If it's cold pressed I can't imagine it's quite as bad, but you're still better off using animal fat/olive oil/coconut oil/avocado oil.

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