Is self-improvement literature a meme?

Is self-improvement literature a meme?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you read 1000 books a year atleast you’ll be very good at english

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    Dont fall for the meme of incels just read try and see by yourself.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The key is actually doing the shit they tell you to do in the books

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Most successful people have two things in common: they run daily and they're avid readers. A lot of successful people list self help books as part of their success.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, mostly.
    The best self-improvement literature is literature that's not actually about self-improvement. Read shit about big ideas or read large volumes of philosophical stuff and thoughtful debate. Through this you will learn what is good, and how you ought to be. Therefore, you can be better.
    I also liked the work of Peterson. It's closer to the self-improvement genre, but from a perspective that's thought out and informed, unlike that entire genre. Pic related.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      13th Rule:

      Berate addicts as weak, but then get addicted to pain medication and have to fly the russia to be put into a medically induced coma to fight the addiction because you're too much of a bitch to do it through willpower and as a result come home with brain damage

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        When did he call addicts weak?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you needn't be a saint to condemn a life of sin, anon.
        Also, he never berated addicts as weak. At least not in the books, or in the lectures ive seen.
        That is the inherent human feeling though. He gets mercilessly tormented for it now by his detractors.
        Why is every critique an ad-hominem with your retards?
        If you don't stop disingenuously discrediting people you'll lose the power of the supposed moral high ground when people get tired of your hackneyed attempts to dismiss people that actually help people

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I swear the shittier and poorer impulse controlled a person is the more energy they spend on seething about everyone being lazy and evil. It’s like the same part of the brain that makes you shower before leaving the house and not do drugs is responsible for not being a self-righteous jackass.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Berate addicts as weak
        I'm not sure he's ever actually done this.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    to some extent they can be a bunch of common sense things that you should probably already know mixed with the occasional insight that never occurred to you. Only you have to have the motivation to follow throuh with what you learned and want to change in your life.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why read when you can do?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Of course it is. You already fucking know everything there is to know about success and self-realization and attainment and every other metric of human happiness or longing, and you already know the fundamental rule or law or guideline or habit in getting it:
    >EVERYTHING WORTH DOING IS FUCKING HARD AND TAKES TIME

    That's it. That's the secret of the universe, the secret of everything you want, the secret hiding in the bottom of your heart and mind, the thing that fucking idiots and fags pay life coaches for, buy books to read about, waste hours every day watching shit on YouTube, waste hours every day on message boards having discussions about some useless fag like Andrew Tate, etc., ad nauseum, until life has passed them by and it's too late to fucking win at something.

    Whatever it is you want, to be built like an NFL player, to know a bunch of shit about computers, to sculpt like a master, whatever the fuck, it requires you to have the discipline to do. To do. Not fuck around reading books by fags who have never succeeded at anything other than writing books for imbeciles too weak to just sack up and take the fucking plunge, but do. Wanna draw well? Get a bunch of paper and pens and fucking draw until you're good, starting with the sticky on /ic/. Wanna get yoked? Scroll up to the first page here and read that sticky. Wanna be a smart-mouthed fag? Check out the reading lists on IST and IST, then read real books, not this trash, then argue about it with other fucking pseuds. But DO.

    It's DOING. That's all. The discipline to do it until you win.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      post body

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You already fucking know everything there is to know about success and self-realization and attainment and every other metric of human happiness or longing
      D - Do I?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This one really helped with my tism, he breaks the concepts down and tells an IRL story relating to those smaller pieces. The stories are also interesting on their own merit.
    I wish my father taught me this stuff

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah this one's good too honestly it helps, most people would learn something from this.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you read enough of them you'll probably find a few that teach you a few things. The one's that don't will bore you to death.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly. Can be summed up fairly well:
    1. The way that you frame things ie. the story you tell yourself about them is everything. One person raised by an abusive mother blames that for the way that she raised her own kid. Another person raised by an abusive mother vowed to never do that to her own kid and so raised her with complete love and care.
    You can and should reframe things to suit your purpose and positively reinterpret/attempt to learn from everything you can.
    2. If you wait until you 'feel' the right way to do something you will never do it. Most of what you 'feel' is in response to what you do too, so the quickest way to feel good about yourself is to do the thing that a person who would feel good about themself does.
    It's not: I am trying to become rich. It is: What would a rich person do? -> Then you do that thing, which strengthens the identity, which causes you to do more of those things. Repeat ad infinitum.
    3. Problem solving with a +1 solution. It's wrong to believe that a solution to a problem you have should be any combination of a) Permanent, b) Frictionless, c) Total, d) Without it's own problems.
    Understand that a) There is a solution to every problem and b) You only need to keep iterating on improvements towards it: you don't have to solve it at once. 'What's one thing I can do that would make this better?' Observe, then ask it again and repeat.
    4) The only thing stopping you is fear. Really. People try to optimise for everything all to escape this fact: if you could act like you fear nothing for even a single day you would what you are truly capable of. The fear of failing in the eyes of others is the single largest impediment to 99% of people achieving what they want - and death comes. You cannot get rid of it but make a pact with yourself to bury it somewhere and lock it away. 'What is the worst that could happen?' Write it down and do everything you can to mitigate it and then move.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      effortposter thank you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >4) The only thing stopping you is fear.
      This
      So many things to change and to do which requires basically nothing but getting over some stupid fear.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no, the advice is useless common sense but if you're a miserable enough loser it may positively change your mindset

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read the Greeks, they already figured it out

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, you only need a book about CBT or a therapist. Most issues stem from warped perceptions around yourself, other people, and expectations around all that shit.
    The problem with most self-help books is that the authors usually have figured out a couple knobs in their life that they can turn that fix their specific mental issues but it won't work for 98% of the general population. Trust me I have read over 30 of so called self-help books and all the advice is essentially CBT but only adapted to their own psyche.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's largely for midwits, specifically women. Self-improvement literature is full of pseudo-science, emotional fluff, and devoid of anything of higher meaning. If you are into self-improvement there is a huge body of philosophy, the smartest men who ever lived writing extensively about how to live a better life and how to achieve meaning in ones life. I don't get anything from Goggins, he's just a midwit obsessed with endurance training. I do get something from reading Evola though.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just put em on your headphones while training. You have nothing to lose. Just try to actually do the things you learn

    I recommend Goggins and Naval Ravikants Book

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes don't waste your money, think of all those that never read self improvement books and made it in life. Be your own man, don't get cuckold

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The shit in these books is invaluable if you don't know it yet.

      People who make it and don't read are the lucky ones whose parents were present and successful. Or else, they learned this stuff by mimicking the behavior of some other parental figure/friend group. The people who weren't taught by example, read.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The time people spend reading that shit is time wasted away from actually productive things that would concretely improve life. The time wasted on one of those is the same as acquiring new skill on rudimentary level. It's a timesink leading to negative cycle.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no but it wears off

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, a lot of them are just trying to make some money by saying a bunch of basic platitudes. Self help books are so people who don't have their life together at all can act like they're working on themselves without having to actually think or improve.

    If you want to improve your life start reading some classic literature

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No but that book in particular did absolutely nothing for me

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    there's probably about 10 books worth reading,
    like "Eat that Frog" for example

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Its a responsibility of all men.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    reading an endless amount of self-improvement literature without implementing any of the suggestions is definitely a meme
    and you probably want to read from people who have achieved other things than 'wrote a self-improvement book' in their lives

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of them are useless, and just focus on super specific autistic routines that worked for the author.

    The best ones are not labeled as "self help" books and allow you to make your own conclusions and connections. Evolutionary psychology (and psychology in general) books have given me the most useful information.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It’s just a bunch of old shit we already know repackaged. Most of this used to be taught by religion/philosophy. Not surprising the self help genre has caught on as interest in religion has died down. You’d find the same lessons reading the Bible or Buddhist texts or some shit.

      I agree. The best ones are like the memoirs where they just share life lessons or whatever about their personal philosophy. Those are inspiring more than anything.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't suppose you guys know if there's a Mega Link with some of these books I can read?

    Just asking.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Second this. I want it too 😀

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Second this. I want it too 😀

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      go through them on your own

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      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is the Self-Improvement General still a thing?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://writingbros.com/essay-examples/liberal-self-improvement-vs-fascist-self-mastery/

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    isn't realizing and addressing lingering childhood traumas and narcissistic parents the new thing?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda, yeah.

      That stuff affects you one way or another, you might not be a drinker but you probably adapted some weird behaviors regarding relationships.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda, yeah.

      That stuff affects you one way or another, you might not be a drinker but you probably adapted some weird behaviors regarding relationships.

      barely affects you. Read Blueprint by Robert Plomin. Another interesting book which is somehow selfhelpy is 48 Laws of power. Teaches you how to scam people. Atomic habits is good for the disorganized people, as its not exactly selfhelp and written more like a textbook.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly yes.
        If you're miserable read:
        >deep work
        >atomic habits
        >how to read a book
        >make it stick
        and that's it everything else is a meme.
        If you're not miserable then just read books about whatever thing you want to be knowledgeable of.

        That's a good list of books but the books you listed are mostly non-fiction literature teaching a subject rather telling you how to fix your life except for maybe atomic habits

        I think the book Tiny Habits does a better job at explaining habit formation and outlines a better methodology to achieving it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, and it's more legit imo.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it’s a complete meme and a waste of time. Why read the millionth iteration of the same shit since the 60s with a different name when you can read something much more useful? Read sport science books, classical literature, learn maths, philosophy, programming, learn a different language, he’ll even just enjoy yourself with some fiction but don’t waste your time on these grifters.
    t. Currently learning formal logic and refreshing my statistics knowledge as well as reading Westside Barbell

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they’re clearly retarded and doesn’t work but that’s from a perspective of someone who has their shit together, mentally and financially

    if you don’t know anything or legitimately autistic, these provide you with a good building block to go into the world with, assuming you improve and move on or spin your own take with the methods and ideas provided. If you do something word for word then you’re doing it wrong

    It’s the same story as those people complaining they did everything they were asked and got nothing (girlfriend). It’s not a script it’s more a bunch of suggestions

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly yes.
    If you're miserable read:
    >deep work
    >atomic habits
    >how to read a book
    >make it stick
    and that's it everything else is a meme.
    If you're not miserable then just read books about whatever thing you want to be knowledgeable of.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a good list of books but the books you listed are mostly non-fiction literature teaching a subject rather telling you how to fix your life except for maybe atomic habits

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It depend on how you define self-improvement literature, those gurus that tell you to wake up at 5 am and hustle hard? Yeah, those are scams or prep talk at best.
    But literature about a specific topic that aims to improve your knowledge or skill in a domain is not.
    e.g. Rich dad poor dad, Power of habit, atomic habits, How to Win Friends & Influence People, The 48 Laws of Power, 4 hour work week. Just to name a few I would recommend everyone. also don't read use an audio book, you will listen to them 2/3 times anyway so make it easier for yourself

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Feel like a few self improvement books can do a dysfunctional person a lot of good. But once you’ve read a few of them, and you’ve got your shit together - every book is like the last.

    You’ll endlessly hear about the power of persistence, hard work, desire and motivation. Maybe also about the benefits or clear communication with others - and the power of visualization. Bla bla bla… once you’ve read a few self help books, I think it’s best to move on…

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, of course. The point is to live your best life, and be hard on yourself. Anything else is dross.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a lot to be gleamed from self improvement books if you haven't learned it all yet. Particularly if your parents weren't there to teach by example, or if you got the tism. The ones that are most useful to you will depend on what lessons you haven't yet learned.

    >how to win friends and influence people was already mentioned in this thread. I found it helpful but a bit of a drag to read.

    >willpower by John Tierney, very helpful and very interesting. Great chapter on Henry Morton Stanley.

    >The power of habit by Charles duhigg. Very useful explanation of the mechanics of habits, so you don't have to bend your life into the one you want with brute force alone.

    >The four agreements. If you can slog through a bit of bs mysticism, it's a very useful model for building a good relationship with others and society at large. Also a very short easy read.

    These I found useful.

    t. autism and parents were bad examples

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no it isnt
    now stfu and do 20 push ups

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t fall in the trap of following a different guru/system every month, and getting excited/rearranging your life around some “miracle solution.”.

    However, I think self-help books can be helpful in that taking in positive, affirming material is gas in the tank for your own self-improvement journey. I’ll read random self-help books every now and then, because they are about living your best life, they can be inspiring. Better than fucking IST thats’ for sure.

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