>are... are you sitting down for your shoulder exercise? >but what about your core? It's a compound movement you're supposed to work your core! >*OHPs sub 1 plate* yeah I could lift more but I gotta make sure I involve my core in this shoulder exercise, I'm actually stronger than people doing seated DB presses with 100s because they have a shitty core, what they're doing doesn't actually count, it's just c-cope
I want all gym zoomers to kill themselves both irl and in Minecraft
contrary to /shit/'s advice i have had better growth and made better progress doing THE PRESS seated in the smith machine. my shoulders are yuge now and i'm consistently putting the weight up. whereas every single dumbbell exercise i do is fricking pointless, just marking time.
it's almost as if you need to lift big weights to get big.
by all means do your shitty dumbbell meme lifts, but do them AFTER you do heavy work not instead of heavy work.
>ehh not so much in my experience >i basically kept my natty program
natty routine on gear is no problem, it's the other way around that's the issue. one exception is that high frequency can be a problem for roiders because muscle growth can outpace tendon growth and tendons need
the fundamentals of exercise are exactly the same when you're frauding, you just get more out of it.
don't believe me? based on what? of the two of us, i'm the only one who is in a position to know.
so that paragraph you just typed is worth less than the gum I stepped on 🙂
Aka you have no opinion of value. So that paragraph you just typed is worth less than the gum I stepped on.
Idc if someone frauds. But it's not the fricking exercise variation that blows up your shoulders. It's the androgen receptors in your fricking shoulders responding to juice. Same with traps.
Next time you think about making claims about which variations are good or bad, have a nice day instead.
>the fundamentals of exercise are exactly the same when you're frauding
lift weights to get bigger, yes. but frequency, volume, exercise selection, response, recovery, tendon demands, etc, are all different.
men not on juice without exercise make gains anon. it's called "growing up".
>the fundamentals of exercise are exactly the same when you're frauding
lift weights to get bigger, yes. but frequency, volume, exercise selection, response, recovery, tendon demands, etc, are all different.
>frequency, volume, exercise selection, response, recovery, tendon demands, etc, are all different.
ehh not so much in my experience. you can do more than you otherwise could but that doesn't necessarily change what you're doing, just how much of it you do. like i basically kept my natty program but just added in more exercises in the end. i've experimented but i always just come back to 3*10 with a top set and then 2 sets at a lower weight. if i want more work i just add more exercises.
i probably could have just added more dropsets to the exercises i was already doing but i like the variety.
muscles that are closer to the brain and spine have more androgenic receptors. That's the reason why all girls on roids have man's face with overly developed jaw muscles, despite not training them at all, just eating. Same with your shoulders. They will return back to normal, or even to a smaller size when you get off the juice.
>ehh not so much in my experience >i basically kept my natty program
natty routine on gear is no problem, it's the other way around that's the issue. one exception is that high frequency can be a problem for roiders because muscle growth can outpace tendon growth and tendons need
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm natty and I get tendon pain from training my arms frequently, even doing lat pulldowns 3x a week with any degree of intensity makes my forearm and bicep tendons hurt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lat pulldowns, rows, and pullups can stress the biceps tendon a lot because you can put it under significant load while it's maximally stretched. if you can prevent that (less range of motion, keeping a slight bend in your arms, etc), your pain should go away.
2 years ago
Anonymous
could I just do pulldowns more infrequently as well?
2 years ago
Anonymous
probably, yes. also switching exercise each session can help as well. e.g. dumbbell rows one day, lat pulldowns another, etc. treating your hands "as hooks" and pulling from the elbows (less biceps engagement) can also help.
muscles that are closer to the brain and spine have more androgenic receptors. That's the reason why all girls on roids have man's face with overly developed jaw muscles, despite not training them at all, just eating. Same with your shoulders. They will return back to normal, or even to a smaller size when you get off the juice.
It's hilarious to me when roidtards willingly damage their internal organs without knowing EXACTLY what they're getting into and how to maximize gains with the window of time they have before their liver/kidneys/ect. are shot.
and yes, people make gains without lifting while on steroids. Just like livestock do, you fricking moron.
I frauded and my delts and traps blew up. I used to OHP the heaviest dumbbells at a meme gym for lulz, but really even basic isolation shit was enough for painful pumps (god I miss those). 6yrs clean now.
I watched a guy the other day just using 50s. He didn't seem to understand how to push the weight to his shoulders using his knees and kept contorting his arm around trying to curl them up with a look of pure anguish on his face. I was gonna say something but then I figured if you're too dumb to figure out how to lift your knees, you're not going to follow any advice.
I watched a guy the other day just using 50s. He didn't seem to understand how to push the weight to his shoulders using his knees and kept contorting his arm around trying to curl them up with a look of pure anguish on his face. I was gonna say something but then I figured if you're too dumb to figure out how to lift your knees, you're not going to follow any advice.
Both are important. Barbell OHP allows you to work the main muscle bodies/fibers that go into The Press, allowing for faster progress. Dumbbell distributes the work more evenly throughout the delts and other stabilizers, making your muscles more well-rounded and your movements safer.
I never flare my elbow as much as that, I think it's safer to put your elbows much more forward, yeah you'll lift less weight but that's not a powerlifting exercise.
Why are kettlebell autists so autistic?
They have to do exercises with moronic form just so they can use their autistic kettlebell rather than just using a dumbbell like a normal person.
Spotted the DYEL. KBs aren't the end all be all of fitness tools, but there are things they mog in and overhead pressing is one of them.
Its a more natural movement than the DB press, it builds total shoulder girdle strength because of all the upper back involvement in maintaining the rack position and it can be done bottoms up as an excellent rehab exercise for people recovering from shoulder injuries.
Not engaging your core is sus. Kys
Shoo shoo zoomer
>are... are you sitting down for your shoulder exercise?
>but what about your core? It's a compound movement you're supposed to work your core!
>*OHPs sub 1 plate* yeah I could lift more but I gotta make sure I involve my core in this shoulder exercise, I'm actually stronger than people doing seated DB presses with 100s because they have a shitty core, what they're doing doesn't actually count, it's just c-cope
I want all gym zoomers to kill themselves both irl and in Minecraft
you sound like a butthurt gay no cap
Found the sub 100lb OHPers.
cute strawman homosexual
>Worrying about core on a delt exercise
what an unfortunate face.
contrary to /shit/'s advice i have had better growth and made better progress doing THE PRESS seated in the smith machine. my shoulders are yuge now and i'm consistently putting the weight up. whereas every single dumbbell exercise i do is fricking pointless, just marking time.
it's almost as if you need to lift big weights to get big.
by all means do your shitty dumbbell meme lifts, but do them AFTER you do heavy work not instead of heavy work.
>my shoulders are yuge now
delusional
i also fraud so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
kys roidtroony
when I was on gear my shoulders grew without training shoulders so your opinion means nothing
>¯_(ツ)_/¯
missed the opportunity to do ¯@(ツ)@/¯
Aka you have no opinion of value. So that paragraph you just typed is worth less than the gum I stepped on.
Idc if someone frauds. But it's not the fricking exercise variation that blows up your shoulders. It's the androgen receptors in your fricking shoulders responding to juice. Same with traps.
Next time you think about making claims about which variations are good or bad, have a nice day instead.
the fundamentals of exercise are exactly the same when you're frauding, you just get more out of it.
don't believe me? based on what? of the two of us, i'm the only one who is in a position to know.
so that paragraph you just typed is worth less than the gum I stepped on 🙂
>the fundamentals of exercise are exactly the same when you're frauding
lift weights to get bigger, yes. but frequency, volume, exercise selection, response, recovery, tendon demands, etc, are all different.
There have been studies where men on juice without exercise made gains.
men not on juice without exercise make gains anon. it's called "growing up".
>frequency, volume, exercise selection, response, recovery, tendon demands, etc, are all different.
ehh not so much in my experience. you can do more than you otherwise could but that doesn't necessarily change what you're doing, just how much of it you do. like i basically kept my natty program but just added in more exercises in the end. i've experimented but i always just come back to 3*10 with a top set and then 2 sets at a lower weight. if i want more work i just add more exercises.
i probably could have just added more dropsets to the exercises i was already doing but i like the variety.
>when you get off the juice
>when
lol
>ehh not so much in my experience
>i basically kept my natty program
natty routine on gear is no problem, it's the other way around that's the issue. one exception is that high frequency can be a problem for roiders because muscle growth can outpace tendon growth and tendons need
I'm natty and I get tendon pain from training my arms frequently, even doing lat pulldowns 3x a week with any degree of intensity makes my forearm and bicep tendons hurt.
lat pulldowns, rows, and pullups can stress the biceps tendon a lot because you can put it under significant load while it's maximally stretched. if you can prevent that (less range of motion, keeping a slight bend in your arms, etc), your pain should go away.
could I just do pulldowns more infrequently as well?
probably, yes. also switching exercise each session can help as well. e.g. dumbbell rows one day, lat pulldowns another, etc. treating your hands "as hooks" and pulling from the elbows (less biceps engagement) can also help.
muscles that are closer to the brain and spine have more androgenic receptors. That's the reason why all girls on roids have man's face with overly developed jaw muscles, despite not training them at all, just eating. Same with your shoulders. They will return back to normal, or even to a smaller size when you get off the juice.
It's hilarious to me when roidtards willingly damage their internal organs without knowing EXACTLY what they're getting into and how to maximize gains with the window of time they have before their liver/kidneys/ect. are shot.
and yes, people make gains without lifting while on steroids. Just like livestock do, you fricking moron.
I frauded and my delts and traps blew up. I used to OHP the heaviest dumbbells at a meme gym for lulz, but really even basic isolation shit was enough for painful pumps (god I miss those). 6yrs clean now.
>Yeah, anyone can afford three houses
>I have an infinite bank account
Do you see your own logic?
>I know something because I took hormones like a troony
LMAO
Post body dyel
>smith machine
Do you wear lifting gloves
>unfortunate face
He kinda looks like Bradley Cooper from Wish
>what an unfortunate face.
In what way?
>what an unfortunate face
I mean he doesn't look particularly handsome sure but I don't think he's all that ugly either just very average.
>This exercise that i'm actively doing is superior to the exercise I don't like
IST moment
>provides no argument
why do people make these threads
still far inferior to front raises
maybe for building side delts but its definitely not as fun
Lame ROM kek
Looks absolutely fine
Once you get to a higher weight it's a b***h to get them up
I watched a guy the other day just using 50s. He didn't seem to understand how to push the weight to his shoulders using his knees and kept contorting his arm around trying to curl them up with a look of pure anguish on his face. I was gonna say something but then I figured if you're too dumb to figure out how to lift your knees, you're not going to follow any advice.
this unironically might have been me lmao, was doing seated dumbbell ohp on friday with 50s and i just forced them up to my shoulder
I do them standing and just clean the weight up.
same
Both are important. Barbell OHP allows you to work the main muscle bodies/fibers that go into The Press, allowing for faster progress. Dumbbell distributes the work more evenly throughout the delts and other stabilizers, making your muscles more well-rounded and your movements safer.
Better for hypertrophy and isolating your upper shoulder/delts.
Worse for explosive power and functional strength.
Also:
>Not combining the two.
how do you do both at the same time?
do standing dumbbell overhead press. best of both worlds
Not at the same time. Just incorporate them both in your split. On the same day.
Why is he sitting down?
I never flare my elbow as much as that, I think it's safer to put your elbows much more forward, yeah you'll lift less weight but that's not a powerlifting exercise.
Are you the same Anon who keeps shitting on the barbell bench press? What, did a barbell rape you and your family, or something?
For me it's standing seesaw press
unironically is not. ohp + lateral raises on a machine is s tier
>bends back your arm and snaps it
Op sub 2pl8 ohper, ignore thread.
Have fun spending money on 50lb dumbbells when you already have 1pl8
I do both.
I don't need to choose.
>half reps
>mogs your dumbbells
Barbell is still king for absolute strength, but the KB press comes damn close
Why are kettlebell autists so autistic?
They have to do exercises with moronic form just so they can use their autistic kettlebell rather than just using a dumbbell like a normal person.
Spotted the DYEL. KBs aren't the end all be all of fitness tools, but there are things they mog in and overhead pressing is one of them.
Its a more natural movement than the DB press, it builds total shoulder girdle strength because of all the upper back involvement in maintaining the rack position and it can be done bottoms up as an excellent rehab exercise for people recovering from shoulder injuries.
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i agree with this for a lot of things with kb, but kb feel great with these
I absolutely fricked my left rotator cuff doing those. Took almost a year to fully heal
once you get past DYEL weights those become dangerous
He is doing them wrong. You need push your elbows in when your lowering the weight.
Post body.
>not doing both
shiggy diggy
Arnold press is better still.
Barbell OHP is superior in every single way, no questions. I am biased as frick however
My shoulders grew more Arnold pressing than BB OHP. I got to 150lbs strict and had enough of the glacial progression.
arnold press is a more hypertrophic but also more impingementtrophic exercise
Dumbbell variant of literally every lift is superior to the barbell version
javelin throw
>I'm afraid of lifting big weights therefore I'm gonna claim the dumbell variation of x exercise is superior without posting body to convince myself