Is the Manosphere a good or bad thing for men and women ?

Is the Manosphere a good or bad thing for men and women ?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The what?
    All I know is that these two are fuckin insecure clowns that always want things their way or else they complain. They are basically trying to normalize being spoiled and a pussy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Manosphere is the Kevin Samuals and fresn and fit types on the web nowadays

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        whatever. Just dont listen to these idiots. It seems like they don't talk to people in general or some shit. Like their reality is based off internet forums and instagram posts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        kevin samuels is dead in case you didnt know

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kevin Samuel's was nothing like Fresh and Fit. Fresh n' Fit a layperson. Kevin gave out real information.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck auto correct.
          "Fresh and Fit are larpers"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Samuels was based don't compare him to these fags

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      for waking up small brained adults sure, but they're both ashy ass copers who don't have any swag

      Manosphere is the Kevin Samuals and fresn and fit types on the web nowadays

      They are addressing real problems. But they are either retarded, money hungry or,more often than not, both.
      So men have to deal with one side saying that their problems aren't real, and the other side doing a shitty job trying to fix it.
      My opinion is to not waste your time on manosphere content. You can get more valuable information from some books, and you wont get trapped watching 2 hours of rehashed content everyday.

      whatever. Just dont listen to these idiots. It seems like they don't talk to people in general or some shit. Like their reality is based off internet forums and instagram posts

      Lots of jealousy on this board. Remember IST, hate only comes from below. You wish you were like these guys.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good ironic posting anon, have a (You)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ain’t being ironic buddy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >saying people who hate you are people beneath you
            >im not hating
            >but people are beneath me

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Put a fat Karen picture over his and try telling me what you felt about this little experiment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what the fuck are you trying to say you nerd? just fuckin say it like a man and stop being a fuckin dyel pussy on IST

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm trying to say that the text the balding gay posted would be exactly what a "post wall hag"(in his own words) would post.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            As much as I don't necessarily disagree with what he says, Rich Cooper is just an opportunist grifter that realized he could make money by repeating what Rollo Tomassi (The Rational Male) with different words.
            They are all grifters rehashing his content one way or another.

            That's why the best thing you can do is read The Rational Male and not waste time watching manosphere youtube.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The Copium Male
              He's the male version of a shrill, bitter divorced woman wondering where the good men are. His bitterness and lack of introspection taints his analysis; which is a problem because he is attempting to maintain a neutral POV.

              Semi-autobiographical works like The Game, The Pussy, or Mystery Method are better because they are openly flawed men, who are not trying to rationalize their failings into evopsych the way Rollo does.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >He's the male version of a shrill, bitter divorced woman wondering where the good men are
                Why?

                That description fits MGTOWs a lot better than it does The Rational Male. Yeah, I've followed him on social media for a while and it gets annoying seeing him say the same things over and over, I also dislike him for his tendency to give spotlight to fraudster and grifters like that absolute subhuman Tate. But can you honestly point out what he says in the book that is wrong?

                Even MGTOWs who hate him pretty much agree it's one of the best redpill books ever and a must read for men.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bruh Tate is the least retarded out of all the redpill dudes assuming you’re not too stupid to tell when he’s trolling. He’s one of the few that does what he says. Fresh & Fit, Cooper, and many others talk big game, but they have no evidence that they even live life how they say.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I think the guy who's been been convicted of pimping actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to manipulating women. There's legal proof of it. He's legit in a way that only a handful of RP guys are, and that's why he's hated.

                I don't know how anyone can watch these goofy ass morons get into slapfights with instathots while badly regurgitating Roissy talking points (even though Roissy would despise them for being brown), and think "Yeah, these guys are legit."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Facts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Of course these guys are fucking grifters. Like I said, they just realized they could cash in on this growing manosphere by repeating hot takes, concepts and ideas that they learned from TRM and others. That doesn't make Tate any less of a grifter, he made a lot of money running scam websites and pimping camwhores, he spent a shitload of money to bang Jordan Peterson's daughter and Rollo made him popular in the manosphere saying he's "alpha" and shit because he hates JP.

                Let me clarify. Tate is certainly skilled and shrewd in getting what he wants, I respect that. I'm just saying it doesn't make him anything less of a conman. He used to con thirsy losers on the internet with his camwhores and scam websites, now he cons manosphere fools looking for gurus that'll give them their daily dose of hot takes and pseudo motivational bullshit.

                There's some really good advice and content in the manosphere, but you need to understand that there's a whole lot of trash too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re trying to apply morality to the situation to make yourself feel better

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >call a conman a conman
                >you're just applying morality to a moral situation to make yourself feel better

                moron, you are retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I also dislike him for his tendency to give spotlight to fraudster and grifters
                Rollo has lost of alot of respect in my mind due to him associating with grifters, but the real nail in the coffin was when he started pushing NFTs...his information is still great, but he's definitely making obvious moves to monetize his work and his following.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The nail in the coffin for me was pushing Andrew Tate as this super alpha male and example to be followed, giving him so much momentum to capitalize on the manosphere. He did entirely to kick Jordan Peterson while he was down.

                It was the end for me. You don't do shit like this and expect others to have your back, because you've proven you have no honor. Now that he's pushing NFT garbage I definitely won't go back to following him on social media or whatever.

                The Rational Male book is absolutely brilliant, it'll change any man that reads it. But the author himself isn't necessarily an example of a man.

              • 1 month ago
                faggot

                >Rational Male book
                holy fucking shit aahahahahahahaha

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree, if he's so redpilled why the fuck did he ever get married in the first place? Total boomer goober

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because with enough experience, you can truly be in a marriage on YOUR terms. No compromise like 90 percent of men.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You might not like him, but he has more experience with girls than you and probably likes them more than you do. who would have thought we live in a society where getting mad pussy would make other men jealous?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but he has more experience with girls than you
                Does he really? People thought Fat Forney was legit for the longest time, when he was just whoring in SEA. Rollo seems like a theorycel blogger.

                It's not like Rollo posts his receipts like Andy, or has a verifiably cute wife like GLL.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                idk about Rollo, but I know that meeting and fucking lots of girls takes balls and experience. And doing that enough builds a certain characteristic in you that cannot be faked. And doing it enough also lets you know that girls are totally overvalued and also lets you know that 90 percent of men are total simps and dont even know it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >His bitterness and lack of introspection taints his analysis
                This. It's why he always avoids the issue of childhood psychology and trauma and it's impact on the mind and behavior. A fatalist with evo-psych window dressing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                His daughter is also a whore

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No wonder he hates Lobsterman so much. A perfect example of the narcissism of small differences.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I like Terrance Pop because he tries to help men from self deletion and tell men the danger of marriage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Are you an idiot? Rollo tamasi got his shit from Patrice o neal and Tom Leykis. Those are the OG. Not this rollo. No one cares about this shit. Losers looking at a screen 24/7

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He takes content from Aaron Clarey as well.
                Clarey's just to busy sucking Rollos metaphorical dick to notice.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            These guys are all fucking retards. For every real point they make they say 5 million other dogshit PUA borderline misogynistic takes. If you have to listen to a fresh and fit video to motivate you you're already ngmi. Do what you love, dress well, have good hygiene, go outside, have goals, do everything in your power to achieve them, never give up. There you go, saved you thousands of hours of watching self help shlock.

            You shouldn't take "how to be an alpha chad" advice from a dude who literally likes to watch other men fuck his wife.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            great kafka-trap coping mechanism (If you criticize me it's because you're a loser/weak/poor/etc)
            and hate is not critique, you should respect wherever or whomever legitimate critique comes from and you should ignore hate altogether unless it presents a credible threat to you.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yep its truly pathetic, I remember a guy calling into cooper with a criticism cooper said "hate only comes from below" the guy said but rich I'm worth like $4m and cooper said something along the lines of "I don't believe you" and cut him off.

              Talk about fucking double standards.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post it lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd have to go through about 200 of his videos, I'm not doing that for free but...
                I will post these links, and no cooper cult I'm not a fan of these guys either.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Apparently the alpha masculine men spend their time writing trite quotes on Twitter.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ain’t being ironic buddy.

        While I agree with the sentiment of where hate comes from, I have zero idea who any of these people are or what the Manosphere is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You wish you were like these guys
        You mean rich? If so, yes. If you mean do I wish I could act like a spoiled child and try to always have things my way? Well yea I do but at the same time its fuckin embarassing to see an adult acting like a child so ultimately no.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muscle car
        >a FORD muscle car
        The only good thing those are for is driving in a straight line.
        If your going to spend good money on a car, at least get something worth while.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >FORD
          >Chevy badge
          bro

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          kek what that's clearly a camaro you complete moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Ford

          Have a (You)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is that Richard Cooper?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wow a camaro very impressive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They look like they switched outfits.
        Guy in the middle should wear guy on the rights clothed, guy on the left the middle guy's outfit and the right one the left one's. Also, 3 guys posing before one car looks kinda faggy. All in all 3/10.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Hate" only comes from below.
        The most pathetic grifter comment I've ever heard. I've also heard a guy with $250+ million USD criticise cooper so I guess using your flawed logic a business man with multiple sucessful businesses is below and internet help guy who's admited to dating single mothers.
        Great logic there retard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        OMG guys what a success story.

        You 16 yo's need to talk to actual men in your city.
        I can get one of those new for about $18k and that's clearly a generic rental.

        Whatever stay a sucker if you want "muh talking heads".

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    for waking up small brained adults sure, but they're both ashy ass copers who don't have any swag

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are addressing real problems. But they are either retarded, money hungry or,more often than not, both.
    So men have to deal with one side saying that their problems aren't real, and the other side doing a shitty job trying to fix it.
    My opinion is to not waste your time on manosphere content. You can get more valuable information from some books, and you wont get trapped watching 2 hours of rehashed content everyday.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The manosphere is not a hivemind and there is a lot of internal disagreements.

    As someone who's been "in the manosphere" for years, I'd say reading The Rational Male, the redpill bible, is a life changer for men, but staying and following "personalities" is really not worth it. Read the Rational Male and be done with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      looking back, even TRM is pretty cringe. it has good ideas, but the author is cringe and his extreme ideas too.
      i've also spent years doing le alpha male shit and looking back it was a complete waste of energy and did more harm than good.
      just lift, be confident, and be a good person.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It sounds more like a problem with you

        >lift, be confident and a good person
        All things that he strongly and repeatedly advocates for

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Read the Rational Male and be done with it.
      /thread

      Most of the modern day manosphere are the fundementals in the rational male repackaged in different ways. Fresh and fit has basically become "the view" combined with Jerry springer for men. its entertaining to watch for men in the same way that indignation generating daytime TV is for women.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no one wants to say it, but fresh and fit is 100% for people in poverty. the whole thing is poverty-brained, they aren't revealing some big truth about women, they're revealing how poverty whores behave and think and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone with half a brain that poverty whores are repulsive

        anyone who gets insight from this trash is a complete fucking dipshit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Rolo cuckmasi
      >Nah Im not listening to a weak gay

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The manosphere is dead. It failed. Women are even worse, such that -for the vast majority of guys- they don't think it's worth busting their ass in the gym, maintaining a good social media presence, spending lots of time and money hitting on girls during the day or at bars and parties only to end up with a bitchy fatty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lol. The difference between dating in my early 20s vs. late 20s is exactly as you described it. Everybody is married w/ kids or too large for my personal preference. You'd think after spending years slimming down there'd be some around, but seems hard to find! oh well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You’re supposed to date the younger chicks you fucking retard

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have no fucking idea what the manospehere even is, but these cunts are frauds.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t believe males came up with something as feminine as the ‘manosphere’. I blame…..hmm. dubs decides who I blame

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Da Jooos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      autism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      veganism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Blame yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      women

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rolling for the financial industry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      xenoestrogens

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      feminism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Barack HUSSEIN Obama

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      garden gnomes are enemy of humankind and must be banished from this world

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good times

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sam Hyde

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The boogie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The loss of God and community

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the whole thing is a bunch of 50 year old childless gen x failures who are grifting a bunch of teenagers and 20 year old losers. its hilarious how anyone takes it seriously, those who do take it seriously 100% grew up without a father and they're looking for a daddy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      garden gnomes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      seed oils

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nice

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be honest it wasn't men at the beginning, garden gnome journos and liberals needed a generic tag to talk about the proliferation of masculine blogs teaching you how to get a shy wife and how to live like a spartan monk and they chose "manosphere". I've stopped hanging around those places like 7 or 8 years ago, so I don't know if now they're calling themselves part of the manosphere or what.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The juice

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Protomanosphere

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      morons.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the welfare cliff

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what r dis

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          selected for means people with the trait have more children. Selected against means less.
          The chart is for both men and women, which I think is why waist-hip ratio is selected for and height is selected against.
          tl:dr current conditions are literally breeding idiocracy people

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you’re saying that being a fat fuck with adhd is good for getting laid? I doubt it bro come on. It says that autism is barely selected against

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it's about who's having the most kids, not who's getting laid, or who they're getting laid with. If you were willing to raw dog a landwhale on welfare you could pop out 5 or more kids easily enough.

              Bear in mind the 30% incel rate is a fairly new thing. Probably too new to be reflected in reproduction statistics yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      your mom

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FUCK YOU MOM

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    look at these morons.
    the white guys who started the manosphere eventually shifted to scaming pajeets and now the pajeets are starting to turn on their own kind
    the manosphere in the last decade went from recently devorced men talking about a large gynocentric conspiracy out to get them to pajeets who are some of the ugliest most gulible people living in the third world getting scamed by mutts and pajeets living in what use d to be the first world.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're saying it like it's a bad thing and not incredibly based.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fresh Prince "ceo" was caught paying for his "forbes sucess story". The dude litrally paid for an advert to pose next to a entry level private jet and dated sports car.
      Dudes a looser imo. I do like myron a little more because clearly he has some hussle.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is mandatory watch for everyone thinking about entering the "manosphere".
    I won't even say to those that are already in it, you are more likely a lost cause.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >2 hours
      bro I’m not watching that shit. Gimme a tl;dr

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        TL;DR:
        Rollo is just a bitter dude projecting all his failures and insecurities into the world, and he needs therapy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Truth hurts, trying to cast it off as "bitterness" is effeminate behaviour. He takes great delight in it which is what really triggers people and emotional wrecks love to throw out babies with bath water.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Being a gay that makes a living bitching about women and burying his head in the sand shouting "ITS THE TRUTH!" every time you are challenged in your believes is the true effeminate behavior.
            The truth hurts, even the truth that your entirely worldview is tainted by your traumas.
            You should give a listen to the podcast, It goes in depth about this gay bullshit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Idk anything about Rollo, but I'm familiar with a lot of the general TRP ideas. That said, I watched like 20 mins of the video, and the incessant criticism of Rollo's ideas based upon ad hominem attacks and verbal diarrhea of psychology terms exclusively analyzing Rollo personally and not any of his ideas is completely fucking retarded. Also lots of blatant strawmans and exaggerated characterization. I guess it's par the course that somebody with "Ph.D" in their channel name is an idiot though.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >le therapy
          go back to tumblr

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just be a nice guy and it'll all work out anon 🙂

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The other dynamic is that a bunch of manosphere stuff simply became common wisdom. Most young guys are familiar with ideas like hypergamy, "AFBB", approach anxiety, Chad, etc.

      But it doesn't go any further, because -as a class- men lack the agency to do anything about it. Relative to the heyday of the Manosphere from 2006-2014, everything they were complaining about - which "game" and "the red pill" were supposed to solve - has gotten worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I listen to the first 5 mins of that shit and these guys talk like women, why would you ever listen to or wanna be like these dudes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not going to take advice from someone who looks and sounds like that

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only the weak need to protect their special spaces, which is why women sports are a thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      and this is obviously why the IST is obviously dominated by chads right.
      IST is totally FULL of chads! anything goes here!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anonymous sites obviously have different social pressure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i am a failed chad

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        well yeah obviously we're all chads, you are one too right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lots of men appear to be chads until you see how they are in relationships. bitch like. Look at Chris Bumsfield, the IFBB pro, his chick straight up disses him on camera. Look at FLoyld Mayweather, Rihanna straight up disrespects him on TV. A lot of men that you think are chads, arent chads. Go approach 5000 girls and see how you perception of them changes. Like sphinxes without mysteries.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah these are fake chads, we on 4chins and especially on IST are the real ones
            >Go approach 5000 girls
            no talking to 5000 random girls on the street sounds very autistic, I won't do that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Im a 6'5 Tyrone with a BBC

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    moron manlet that complains about women 24/7 as a redpill guru

    Good job gays
    You deserve to stay virgins

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literal gay personified as a smelly filthy broke pajeet and manlet ugabogabungu moron low iq

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's good but goes about it in a bad way.

    Every single person in the manosphere is either some LA, Miami, NYC, rich asshole that just tells men to use women for sex and never share resources, or some seething incel that uses the manosphere to vent his anger and cope over being an outcast/loser. Ironically they both hate women, but are also completely obsessed an revolve their entire lives around them.

    These two are obvious grifters, they also bring on the same skanky Miami nightclub girls and claim they represent like 99% of women, which I completely asinine, but if retards want want give them money to hear the same "advice" over and over again, it's not my problem.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Skanky party girls represent a significant plurality of bangable American women.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Try living outside of your little bubble.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Try going outside. Most young women are fat slobs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Most young women are fat slobs
            Sounds like you never went to college and got a job.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              He's right. There are a lot of young ladies with miss piggy bodies because "muh giant stupid fat ass".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The fat ones are simply invisible to you, as you are invisible to most women. They simply do not register as sexual objects. Over half of <30 women are overweight or obese.

                [...]
                That's a Chevy, retard.

                >hes right, most young women are fat!!!!
                Again, sounds like you 2 never went to college and into the working world

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The fat ones are simply invisible to you, as you are invisible to most women. They simply do not register as sexual objects. Over half of <30 women are overweight or obese.

              >muscle car
              >a FORD muscle car
              The only good thing those are for is driving in a straight line.
              If your going to spend good money on a car, at least get something worth while.

              That's a Chevy, retard.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's mostly just self help scammers
    looksmaxxing and moneymaxxing are the only real ways to improve your chances with women

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I looksmaxx for fun, i hate woman but i like doing all the "looksmaxing things"

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think the manosphere is a good thing for anyone, I've seen this stupid shit turn friends who had a little trouble with women into full blown incels.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      kek this is me

      before the redpill i let women take advantage. now they stay away from me entirely

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Probably because you’re a fucking loser preaching this shit. You HAVE to be a legit high value male as they call it to pull it off being redpill. Most gays just call themselves high value but never actually do anything to make that statement true

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bad for women but only because they give women more chances to prove women are terrible people

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yea it's not good, they are all retarded, hedonistic and degenerate. but I still sometimes watch their podcasts to listen to the dumb hoes get exposed

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're part of the manosphere or considering it, let me save you guys a lot of time, and years of future therapy.

    First, disregard all manosphere gurus, books, and definitely forums/subreddits. It's a toxic cesspool of people faking it to make themselves feel good, at best, or trying to sell you something at worst.

    What you want to do is:

    >Lift and invest in your health (goes without saying you shouldn't smoke, drink too much, etc)
    >Have career/financial goals and work towards them
    >Build yourself a social circle (you don't need 100 friends, just a few good ones)
    >Work on your looks (other than lifting, e.g grooming, clothing)
    >Find yourself a past time hobby that interests you (lifting and working aren't hobbies)
    >Try your best to be understanding and compassionate to everyone, see the good in them and genuinely want their success (this includes women and minorities). Don't be afraid of being a "nice guy". Being nice is a GOOD thing
    >Know your worth (even if you're a work in progress). You don't need to take shit from people and please them at all costs (especially not only because you think they might be willing to sleep with you). Having confidence is hard at first, fake it til you make it
    >If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life

    Good luck brahs. This shit is much easier said than done, obviously, but ultimately if you want to live a good life as a MAN these are instructions you must follow.

    For the love of god don't buy into the manosphere garbage. I spent years in that mindset, "spinning plates" as they say, hurt a lot of people, myself, and ultimately had to go to therapy to fix my shit. It's still a work in progress, but wagmi.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life
      how do i do this step? do i just keep doing the other steps until i can do this one?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have to have some value in order for women to show interest in you, so if you're a full blown NEET then yes, you need to work on yourself first. Get your priorities straight.

        Having said that, don't wait until you're a full blown chad, because you'll be waiting your entire life. It's very easy to tell yourself you're in "cocoon mode" or whatever kinda shit, that's just a buffer to avoid rejection. In other words, if you got some shit to offer to women, go ahead and offer it. You don't have to check all the boxes.

        As for the "how", it really depends on the circumstances. What it really comes down it is to not be afraid to show interest. There's no shame in wanting to fuck women, they also want to fuck men. You want to approach them (that's the hardest part), chat and get to know them a bit (don't waste their time by becoming they're friend if that's not what you want), and invite them to hang out or something.

        You will fail most of the times, especially in the beginning, but that's something you have to handle. Just like you couldn't lift heavy weights until you got stronger.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I already "know" all of this but when I am in the moment, that rare occasion where I can tell a girl is at least slightly curious about me, I pussy out. It always happens. Its a horrible experience, almost an anxiety attack as part of me screams "GO TALK TO HER" and the other part says "YOU ARE REALLY ANXIOUS WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T GO FULL SCHIZO AND START EXPRESSING SEXUAL DESIRE, PLAY IT SAFE"

          talk to women. Just talk to them. Being friends with 1 eventually makes you friends with so fuckin many and 1 of those many is going to eventually take interest in you as long as you go out with these women

          hopefully this is sort of happening for me. I'm working on building up my social circle and I'm just about turning a few acquaintances into friends.

          Look good; talk to women. If they are interested, they will help you along into their pants.

          You're just pulling the slots lever in cold approach. What you say really isn't that important, since a woman knows within seconds whether or not you give her the tingles.

          i don't want to be some PUA. I agree with this guy

          This. The easiest way to get laid with hot women is to be in their social circle such that you get invited to things they do, and they show up when you invite them to go out with some friends.

          Cold approach is for neurotic, friendless weirdos; and frankly is no better than Tinder, but is way slower.

          . Nobody I know in real life does cold approaching, just guys on the internet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody I know in real life does cold approaching, just guys on the internet
            A lot of guys think they're a pickup artist after 3 beers. There's nothing shameful with flirting with women at the bar.

            As far as the "daygame" weirdos are concerned, there was a time when it worked pretty well - before Tinder and online dating became mainstream.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I get nervous
            Do you drink? If not, start. If yes, intensify. There is a reason alcohol is so prolific and has stood the test of time.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Relying on drinking as a strategy does not work for me at all. "I just need to drink more and then I will have the confidence" is a awful mindset to fall into.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Or phenibut.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >advocating drinking alcohol
              >in a ISTness message board
              LMAO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        talk to women. Just talk to them. Being friends with 1 eventually makes you friends with so fuckin many and 1 of those many is going to eventually take interest in you as long as you go out with these women

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This. The easiest way to get laid with hot women is to be in their social circle such that you get invited to things they do, and they show up when you invite them to go out with some friends.

          Cold approach is for neurotic, friendless weirdos; and frankly is no better than Tinder, but is way slower.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look good; talk to women. If they are interested, they will help you along into their pants.

        You're just pulling the slots lever in cold approach. What you say really isn't that important, since a woman knows within seconds whether or not you give her the tingles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that fucking webm

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        rampage gets bullied

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wait.. if you were "spinning plates" doesn't that mean RP was actuallt working for you?

      At least in terms of getting bitches.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What worked for me with meeting women was actually doing most of what I said in

        If you're part of the manosphere or considering it, let me save you guys a lot of time, and years of future therapy.

        First, disregard all manosphere gurus, books, and definitely forums/subreddits. It's a toxic cesspool of people faking it to make themselves feel good, at best, or trying to sell you something at worst.

        What you want to do is:

        >Lift and invest in your health (goes without saying you shouldn't smoke, drink too much, etc)
        >Have career/financial goals and work towards them
        >Build yourself a social circle (you don't need 100 friends, just a few good ones)
        >Work on your looks (other than lifting, e.g grooming, clothing)
        >Find yourself a past time hobby that interests you (lifting and working aren't hobbies)
        >Try your best to be understanding and compassionate to everyone, see the good in them and genuinely want their success (this includes women and minorities). Don't be afraid of being a "nice guy". Being nice is a GOOD thing
        >Know your worth (even if you're a work in progress). You don't need to take shit from people and please them at all costs (especially not only because you think they might be willing to sleep with you). Having confidence is hard at first, fake it til you make it
        >If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life

        Good luck brahs. This shit is much easier said than done, obviously, but ultimately if you want to live a good life as a MAN these are instructions you must follow.

        For the love of god don't buy into the manosphere garbage. I spent years in that mindset, "spinning plates" as they say, hurt a lot of people, myself, and ultimately had to go to therapy to fix my shit. It's still a work in progress, but wagmi.

        . Some of these things are also indirectly preached in the manosphere, and that's actually one of the good parts about the manosphere. That's what got the women.

        The mindset of "spinning plates" and "AWALT" and generally just treating women like children and sex toys was the worst part, it made me resent them, I basically became an incel but the kind that has sex. The girls who were actually smart and valuable could see right through that and would nope the fuck out. Why would a good woman stick around while you're fucking other girls and not committing? And why are you so terrified of committing anyway? Anyway, once I somehow was able to get in a long term relationship (I had 2 that lasted ~1.5 years each), I was a shitty partner, I wouldn't trust the girl, and I was so preoccupied by not being a "beta" and "provider" that I was basically just not there, emotionally, sexually, etc. And that's probably the shittiest part of that mindset, not only does it push good people away, but you also don't get to truly be part of a meaningful relationship because you're constantly worried about how you're perceived.

        I already "know" all of this but when I am in the moment, that rare occasion where I can tell a girl is at least slightly curious about me, I pussy out. It always happens. Its a horrible experience, almost an anxiety attack as part of me screams "GO TALK TO HER" and the other part says "YOU ARE REALLY ANXIOUS WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T GO FULL SCHIZO AND START EXPRESSING SEXUAL DESIRE, PLAY IT SAFE"

        [...]
        hopefully this is sort of happening for me. I'm working on building up my social circle and I'm just about turning a few acquaintances into friends.

        [...]
        i don't want to be some PUA. I agree with this guy [...]. Nobody I know in real life does cold approaching, just guys on the internet

        Yeah well, it's hard anon. It's not supposed to be easy, otherwise everyone would be doing it. Like lifting weights. If it helps, remember that it's only hard at first. The first time I approached a woman I never met before, I was literally shaking, and afterwards my heart was racing the entire day and I had to go home (this happened at work). I'm now glad I did it, and I'm glad I got rejected (in a nice way). It takes a few times to overcome the fear.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The girls who were actually smart and valuable could see right through that and would nope the fuck out.
          Your smart, valuable, "good" girls would rather be a high value guy's plate than the only woman for some chump.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not every woman is the 2000s nightclub thot that Mystery et al were writing about when it came to "spinning plates."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is the kind of mindset that will end up hurting you, anon. Some people have to learn this the hard way, I hope for your sake you'll grow out of it soon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              girls would rather share an alpha. One moment of alpha is better than a lifetime of beta. Girls dont mind sharing men.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is cope. What they're doing is playing musical chairs to try to get commitment. This usually isn't like the harems of old where a sultan was feeding, housing, and clothing his concubines - the women are taking care of those from their $60k HR or marketing salaries.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If all depends on how the girl sees you. If she sees you as a scumbag player, she already knows shes gonna be sharing you. Girls can do w.e they want, but it is female nature to be with a man before they wall. Female nature knows men arent supposed to be with one girl, hence mistressses and all that. Even 80 year old men find 20 year olds sexually attractive. Why do you defend a gender that has fucked society very hard for the last 9 years? do u have low t? girls ignored u when u were 18-25?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bro i mean this sincerely but you sound like a loser and ngmi

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                idk, i might be spoiled. I just know that 90 percent of guys need a gf to get laid, are scared to talk to women they dont know, and were invisible to girls when they were 18-25. I also know most men dont bother building a harem. dont forget, girls divorce billionaires too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not defending women. I'm saying that you're mental model about why they behave the way they do is wrong. It's not even wrong to say that they're sharing; but that's not what girls dream of or want. Their enemies are the other women the guy is banging, and in an ideal world, they will seduce a guy such that the other girls are bumped out of the competition.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you saying the man who has approached and fucked 400+ girls has the same characteristics and experience as a man that has not? Are you saying a girl cannot notice the differences between those men? We all know chicks like men that are older with more experience. Meeting lots of chicks is where your experience comes from. That man that has met and fucked lotsa girls has more expereince than 90 percent of the male population.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you saying the man who has approached and fucked 400+ girls
                If he's claiming he's made 400 lifetime approaches, based on numbers and cold approach skill curve as corroborated by Thomas Crown, Pancake Mouse, and Nash (who are anonymous fwiw), that's 4-6 women he's gotten into bed. Which is certainly above average, but I wouldn't necessarily say makes him the guru-of-gurus.

                If he's claiming a bodycount of 400+, he's a homo, p4p, or sexpatting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just lower your standards and you can fuck one girl a day. Roosh isnt exactly cool, he says so himself. He played WoW and shit. He did that shit about like over 5 years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And in the grand tradition of such diverse authors as Hunter S Thompson and David Foster Wallace, he probably bent the truth to write a more exciting book. As brilliant as 'Roger Federer as a Religious Experirence' is, the match referenced between Nadal and Federer never happened. Similarly, Roosh isn't letting the truth get in the way of a good story.

                He was also taking advantage of global sexual arbitrage in areas of EE known for a plethora of p4p options.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He spent like years doing that and nothing else so its believable. Just treat it like a job, Most men work 40 hours a week but never make time to hone their skills with chicks. Have YOU spent time to hone your skills? or do u just bash men that take this more seriously?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one throwing out numbers that strain credibility in defense of Rollo who, to my knowledge, has rarely shown receipts of the women he's banging. What you're suggesting is better than 2015 GLL Chris, who has posted receipts, and is and was far more attractive than Rollo/RM.

                I'm calling bullshit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How long has Rollo been married? Over a decade? Pretty obvious he’s no authority on attracting women, and even on his past he just refers to getting girls by being in a rock band, I’m not sure he’s ever even claimed to have personally cold approached girls.

                His thoughts on female sexual strategy are legitimately brilliant, but autists take it way too far. Primally men would have sex with and impregnate any woman they can, but it’s obvious a more goes into male sexual choices in modern society. Not as though it’s impossible for a man to have a monogamous relationship, even if it’s not instinctive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Idk, go ask 2000 girls for their phone numbers and then come back and talk to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I am not defending Rollo. All I am saying is majority of men are too nice to chicks. I watched my pretty cool friends bend over backwards for girls. I just know majority of men were totally ignored by girls 18-25. That says a lot. That early life scarcity of girls fuck up a lot of guys and no job or even a gf can fix that. Women divorce billionaires. No man should get into a relationship until he has slept with over 40 girls.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No <8 man is making it 40 before 30 without p4p or extraordinarily specific circumstances - like passing out free coke and shrooms to girls or being a club promoter. And if you want a "trainer gf", that's going to entail a several months of exclusivity where you learn what women are like in a relationship.

                You're just regurgitating that "sleep with 40 girls" because the two morons in the OP said it, in spite of their being receipts of them engaging in p4p.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m 27 and I’m at 4 lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's perfectly average if you have some standards. You're doing fine.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What? How is an empirically proven fact gonna hurt me?

              I'm not a blackpill incel or whatever labels condescending people like to call others in order to feel better about themselves. I also don't hate or have any resentment for women at all. Why would I hate a fish for swimming when it's just doing what it evolved to do?

              It's perfectly natural and logical that women want the best they think they can get. I'm glad they are this way otherwise we wouldn't exist.

              I just laugh when people mention "good girls" because "good girls" are still girls and still have hipergamy as a natural sexual strategy. As Rollo Tomassi always says, the "good girl" will park the "good girl car" and get out of it to have casual, short term sex with a man she perceives as high value should the opportunity arise. Every girl is good until she isn't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rollo Tomassi himself is married. Isn’t there some irony to a man preaching it’s not worth it to have a monogamous relationship who himself is in one.

                Anyway you can tell who actually has romantic experience and who just read about it online, it’s one thing to be jaded if you’ve been divorced, but now we’ve got a bunch of 20 year olds running around bitching about female promiscuity who’ve never been cheated on. This shit isn’t a calculus problem and there are very few things that are absolutely true. Form some opinions from your own experience, instead of reciting one guy’s (who is married) opinion like it’s the holy gospel.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Rollo Tomassi himself is married. Isn’t there some irony to a man preaching it’s not worth it to have a monogamous relationship who himself is in one.

                It doesn't matter and I don't care what Rollo is doing. What he says about "good girls" is TRUE and that's what matters to me.
                You tried to make it about me saying I'd be hurt in the long run because I know why women do what they do, now you make the topic about Rollo as a person because you dislike him when I don't give a shit.

                How does Rollo being married changes the fact that "good girl" are still girls and will still go for hipergamy, aka. Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks, whn they have the chance?
                Why would I feel mad or be hurt about this?

                It's just the natural way and I'm fine with it. It seems like you have a hard time accepting that your honourable princess doesn't exist. Disney and romantic comedy movies lied to you, let go of it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i can easily show you what a joke rollo is. he has a 20+ year old daughter. do you think he would be ok with any of these other red pill grifters trying to "game" his daughter?

                if he is, he's a cuck, if he isn't, that completely disproves his entire grifter worldview.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's addressed this critique a million times over by saying that TRP is a tool, you can use it to fuck a million women or you can use to have a happy relationship with one women.

                He's also addressed that when he got married the state of marriage was different. aka marriage for millennials is mostly a trap compared to the marriage of our grandparents generation. He straight up says that he doesn't recommend it in the modern era

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                his wife was a groupie for his shitty thrash metal band. the guy is a fucking loser

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I understand, thanks for replying.

          But wouldn't this mean red pill could actually give you the "blue pill" advice and be more successful? (Without showing your power level)

          Wonder why they don't do it like that.

          I'm coming to that conclusion myself.

          >t. 5/10 guy incel-adjacent

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's the virality of the ideology. The people looking for advice are usually incels that resent women (after being betas their entire life and getting rejected), so using that resentment and telling them that women are like children, and sex toys, and are all dumb and emotional, and they will cheat on you in an instant, etc etc, and that you must be emotionally detached and outcome independent (so you will never get hurt again), that's something that really "sells".

            Whereas telling them that they need to work on themselves to actually be VALUABLE partners (see

            If you're part of the manosphere or considering it, let me save you guys a lot of time, and years of future therapy.

            First, disregard all manosphere gurus, books, and definitely forums/subreddits. It's a toxic cesspool of people faking it to make themselves feel good, at best, or trying to sell you something at worst.

            What you want to do is:

            >Lift and invest in your health (goes without saying you shouldn't smoke, drink too much, etc)
            >Have career/financial goals and work towards them
            >Build yourself a social circle (you don't need 100 friends, just a few good ones)
            >Work on your looks (other than lifting, e.g grooming, clothing)
            >Find yourself a past time hobby that interests you (lifting and working aren't hobbies)
            >Try your best to be understanding and compassionate to everyone, see the good in them and genuinely want their success (this includes women and minorities). Don't be afraid of being a "nice guy". Being nice is a GOOD thing
            >Know your worth (even if you're a work in progress). You don't need to take shit from people and please them at all costs (especially not only because you think they might be willing to sleep with you). Having confidence is hard at first, fake it til you make it
            >If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life

            Good luck brahs. This shit is much easier said than done, obviously, but ultimately if you want to live a good life as a MAN these are instructions you must follow.

            For the love of god don't buy into the manosphere garbage. I spent years in that mindset, "spinning plates" as they say, hurt a lot of people, myself, and ultimately had to go to therapy to fix my shit. It's still a work in progress, but wagmi.

            ), even at the cost of risking being vulnerable and getting HURT anyway, that's a pill few people are willing to swallow.

            So it's basically all marketing and a circlejerk echo chamber of incels. The thing is, it's mixed in with some advice and ideas that are actually good (basically comes down to my original list of advice, minus a few), so you might feel like you're making progress with women while in reality you're really, really, really damaging yourself in the long term.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I basically became an incel but the kind that has sex
          Evidence that you've been brainwashed by modern women is that you unironicallt use incel - involuntary celibate - to describe a man who fucks women but doesn't trust them (let alone pedestalize them). I hope you have the self awareness to see how much brainwashed into "love teh wahamans" you are, but probably you don't.

          Either that or you're a woman LARPing. No way you had 2 few-years-long relationships and lost the women by NOT being a beta. You sound very much like psyop.

          T. into 12 years relationship, now married. That's how I know you're BSing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good writeup, this is literally it

      >>If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life
      how do i do this step? do i just keep doing the other steps until i can do this one?

      Not that guy but for me it was really just through trail and error as well as the occasional pep talk from close friends

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If the tenants of the manosphere were the force, this is pretty much the light side of the force right here. Its definitely enough to help you get some dates or whatever, but it'll leave you naive with women. The dark side shit that makes you bitter toward women is the shit that will really help you to protect your ass from the unflattering realities of the modern day women.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t. Beta bucks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >had to go to therapy to fix my shit
      haha what a gay. the kind of man who goes to therapy willingly is the exact kind of man i would NEVER take advice from. only reason to go to therapy is to beat a murder charge or to score some xanax and addys for resale. get fucked goober

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Compassionate and understanding
      >Be a good goyim

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and ultimately had to go to therapy to fix my shit

      What a fucking gay. Just lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Lift and invest in your health (goes without saying you shouldn't smoke, drink too much, etc)

      i lift 3x a week and run 4x a week. quit smoking a year ago and got the drinking down to twice a week (replaces my opiate and benzo habit)

      >Have career/financial goals and work towards them

      have a "good" career, make £100k a year

      >Build yourself a social circle (you don't need 100 friends, just a few good ones)

      i have a good circle of five bros who are ride or die

      >Work on your looks (other than lifting, e.g grooming, clothing)

      meh. i used to be hypebeast tier

      >Find yourself a past time hobby that interests you (lifting and working aren't hobbies)

      i have hobbies, making music, playing piano

      >Try your best to be understanding and compassionate to everyone, see the good in them and genuinely want their success (this includes women and minorities). Don't be afraid of being a "nice guy". Being nice is a GOOD thing

      i do this

      >Know your worth (even if you're a work in progress). You don't need to take shit from people and please them at all costs (especially not only because you think they might be willing to sleep with you). Having confidence is hard at first, fake it til you make it

      i do this (now, but not in the past)

      >If you're single, learn to create and recognize opportunities with women. You gotta push through the awkwardness and cringe, and risk rejection. It's part of life

      have three women on the rotation (but they don't ever fill the void my ex left)

      >hurt a lot of people, myself, and ultimately had to go to therapy to fix my shit

      i did the same, hurt many people who loved me, did therapy for 3 straight years

      explain why i still hate women and also want to kms

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >$1000 instagram course
    I don't give a fuck what they do, these assholes are scammers and you're a retard for buying into their emotional entrapment shit

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These two clowns are delusional and think they are on top of the world. I truly wish I never knew who these two fakers were. Anyone that listens to these two have the IQ of a peanut.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Legitimately two of the most ugliest morons I have ever seen. Could you imagine dooming your genetic potential by breeding with these creatures? Disgusting. I could never open my legs for that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't half the chicks they fuck escorts/sugar babies that they're paying cold hard cash for?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Half? More like all. I don't think any woman in their right mind (unless you're a fat white woman) would fuck these 2 if there was no cash or clout for their insta/OF involved. I'm a straight bio f and and I really cannot see any attractive qualities about these clowns.

        The one with the garden gnome nose claims to have fucked over 1000 women if I remember correctly and the Mickey Mouse looking motherfucker claimed this skank chose to be his girlfriend for his character and qualities before people found her sugar baby account online.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The one with the garden gnome nose claims to have fucked over 1000 women
          Yeah, he's definitely bullshitting. Are the nigcels that listen to them actually that naive that they believe that at face value?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    moron!

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i learned that the sex world is not ruled by men, women chose. but the problem is they keep making the wrong choice. in a way, we are the women... hahaha

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >if I crossed my arms like this, maybe I'll look tough

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It can be good if it stops men from killing themselves, but there's a lot of grifters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it doesn't, and it's all grifters.

  26. 1 month ago
    BdolfGitler

    they care way too much about women.
    me vs them
    they are so mean waaaah waaah

    cringe

    iam happily married, earn 120k which puts me in 1% in Germany and buy next year a small home in Berlin and will make 2 kids with my wife.

    i never cared about le evil woman or chasing the big moneyz. i have enough money invested and only work 38 hours while having 30 vacation days.

    le epic grind, le mean feminist all bullshit they earn money telling you garbage ideas.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ur happly with someone below u. cuck detected. ur happily with someone whose gender fucks up society. ur happly with someone who loves having immigration. ur happly with someone that doesnt support men. ur a gay and bottom 80 percent and wouldnt not be married if u did not have a job. ur happy with someone whose gender is fucking up corporations. lmao holy shit. anyways I enjoy seeing society get fucked, i just wish more more men realized they were getting fucked, but ignorance is bliss. Enjoy. ur just as bad as a girl if u see them as equal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        someone watched too much rolo
        stop being so dense 😉

        i married when i was broke. she has a phd in psychology kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i dunt watch Rollo, But I know enough to know how 100 percent of all girls think. Good for u, psychology is where dumb girls go into. Just like nursing. I wouldnt marry broke.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Berlin
      All that money and you choose to live in Berlin, the worst city in Europe (yes, including bombed out cities in Ukraine).
      Why?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i often think about how roosh v turned to god and became an orthodox christian after all those years of banging women. neil strauss talked about his years of PUA ruined his ability to have good relationships with women. the manosphere is decent, but using what they teach to bang women left and right might not be the most fulfilling life

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Once Roosh has fucked enough girls, he found out there is nothing about them. They are all the same but different. He says that after having sex with so many girls so quickly, he cannot see girls as anything but trash. Instead of bashing him, you can learn from him. They were never meant to be your "partner", merery a dog, hence where the term "bitch" came from.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A wise man once said that you can either love women or you can understand them. This shit will definitely fuck up your outlook on women, because there are alot of unflattering truths about women. The redpill analogy comes from the matrix movies and the basic idea is that what has been seen cannot be unseen, for better or for worse.

      So many of the fundamental tenants of redpill theory often come down to evolutionary psychology, which in turn is just the idea that humans tend to act in ways that benefit the survival of the species. Women evolved to be selfish and manipulative because it leads to better rates of survival for her and her kids for example.

      Most blackpill guys are simply mad at women because they spent 30 years of their lives seeing them as these mythical creatures that can do no wrong. When they finally open their eyes and see the truth its too painful of a contrast between the reality and their previously naive mindset

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with the manosphere is that it still assumes women aren't just as brow-beaten and made neurotic by our current culture as men are. Two sides of the same coin, but the manosphere refuses to think the coin can land tails, only heads.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Manosphere came into being when, ironically, it was one of the easiest times in human history to have casual sex. 2007 was peak hookup.

      It came from a time when, frankly, any goofy shit would work to get into a woman's pants; so you have to take Game with an enormous salt-shaker. As sex has become harder to procure, there's a reason why people have settled on looks-height-money-drugs as the path to getting laid, rather than elaborate routines of negging and hooks. The stupid shit was culled as it became more difficult to get pussy.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are bad for both

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fresh and Fit is probably one of the worst places to get advice.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If only you knew how bad things really are

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you guys DID go to alphacon, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you guys DID go to alphacon, right?
      FUCK YEA I DID! I even wore my favorite alligator man booties. Picrel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >that offest
        >those tires
        Ohshitmoronwhatareyoudoing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They all look so soft

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      white guys can't be alpha

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Learning game and female psychology is a positive thing.
    The Manosphere/pickup industries are a massive grift.

    Don't throw your money away.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When you think about it, imagine how weird it must be to be a young woman. I know it's not the same, but probably the closest thing we have would be that every man around for some unknown reason wants to be your friend. You keep telling them what the fuck, I have no idea who you are, but they persistently walk up to you anyway acting all nice to you. And there they are doing their very best to interest you and buying you expensive things, and you make fun of them behind their back for how desperate they are for you.... well shit, actually I would like all that, I mean I'd think it was weird but who cares. Fuck women, such spoiled, entitled brats.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Basically like being a white guy in a Thai red light district

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve seen these guys make decent points before but overall they’re fucking cringe incels. Guy to the left pretends like he’s jacked (even heard him say once how “muscular” he is lmfao) yet is a complete dyel. Guy to the right has a face that looks like an abused pitbull yet wants to give out advice on women. Both try way too hard and are extremely desperate. I imagine the types of guys who listen to them are teenagers who grew up without fathers. Kevin Samuels was based though and gave solid advice to both sexes. I have no idea why he even associated with these two clowns.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't Kevin Samuels leave fresh and fit on read when they tried to get him on their show?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fresh and fit were also butt hurt Kevin would do his show at the same time as theirs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was on their show several times.

        Fresh and fit were also butt hurt Kevin would do his show at the same time as theirs

        Allegedly it was the other way around. Kevin would supposedly ask them to delay their show so they wouldn't soak up his viewers. I remember watching them both at around the same time and F&F would say they would start at like 10PM-EST and show up at like 1AM while Kevin was live since 9.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all online grift communities are bad for both

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else notice that most of the creators within the manosphere are black? Is it the globohomo algorithm thats cherry picking blacks or are there hardly any non blacks that will pick up their phone and record for the world to see?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jack Murphy, Andrew Tate, Hamza Ahmed, Richard Coper and a ton of other redpill pua guys are not Black. It must be the videos that show up on your feed.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmao THIS is them. oh no-no-no neither are fresh or anywhere near fit. They're like 6s. i can smell the delusion from here. I actually might watch them now just to see how cringe them talking about women is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Im a 12 if the right dude is a 6

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just talk to women holy shit

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    upboat

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bad. These two especially. Their idea of masculinity is being a shallow urbanite while giving women the impression that all men are and want to be like this.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he says they are very bad >:(

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Half the bros in this thread need to shut the fuck up. These criticisms of the manosphere are like complaining about the 1977 Apple II computer, sure its flawed and cringy, but it set the template for current thinking. 80/20, redpill. SMV, + half the other shit bros discuss, etc. Very helpful ways of thinking. Aside from women, my life has become more lucrative by adopting 3 old manosphere ideas:
    1. Life is a numbers game. The more you try, the more you get. Who cares if you win 1 out of 8 times? Fucking try 64 times while your friends are butt hurt and "saving face."
    2. Failure is good. The more you fail the more you get. Make failure and rejection your friend. Once you start to fail over and over, things happen.
    3. Self Improvement. Your looks and dress are weapons that can advance you.

    Don't like the misogeny and douchey/scumbag behavior, but don't say there were no other qualities.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's a fucking meme. These two simps are the lowest of the low.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno....
    On one hand I'm trying to figure out what the elites' angle is in pushing this stuff. Over the last century they've been structuring society around female wants and needs, and thereby subduing/enslaving men who posture themselves to be deemed eligible to have female attention.

    But they allow shit like this to be broadcast to the public and redpill the mainstream, which completely tramples on all their work....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost like the material conditions created incentive pressures that drove said changes independently of anyone being in charge, instead of a cabal of lizardmen commanding this shitty planet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. Everything is controlled or censored to a degree

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The current iteration of “redpill” guys are a step backwards and just a rebranding of some older PUA, which is much more misogynistic and unrealistic for what women actually want. Most people abandoned redpill and PUA stuff and moved towards either blackpill or extreme self-improvement like GLL. This was a positive development, with lots of the old redpill advice lingering around as a gateway into the other ones. Now this new generation pushes a lot of the same crap, sorry fresh and fit and Andrew Tate can never be “high value” men because they are both way too ugly, and their “business” is a loser “manosphere” business. Fresh and fit at best use their money to draw in some low level club trash in Miami, and Andrew Tate pays for prostitutes in Romania.

      This is just going to cause a new wave of angry bitter incels who fail at pickup and eventually a new grand push into black pill theory, while these grifters make their cash and get out. They would have been better off just starting with extreme self improvement instead of listening to any of the crap these guys say.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >extreme self-improvement like GLL
        GLL?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          GoodLookingLoser
          His blog is dead, he is a bit retarded, but there is some good info there.
          Remember the GLL formula kids. Looking good + Talking to Girls = Getting Laid

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, he’s not such a bright guy but he realizes how junk most PUA stuff is, and realizes it’s just about making yourself look better, becoming a more interesting person, and actually learning how to talk with girls just by trying to talk to them, not by following some retarded conversation formula that PUA were shilling at the time. It’s literally simple as shit advice but sadly the best out there.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Fresh and fit at best use their money to draw in some low level club trash in Miami, and Andrew Tate pays for prostitutes in Romania.
        But this was always the case. Krauser and Tacos have talked about how most of why the PUAs got laid had nothing to do with their game - it had to do with being DJs, promoters, or giving away drugs to girls. If not just straight up paying actresses and escorts to "pick up".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In todays enviroment I don't knock anyone who pays for whores but yeah alot of these guys are pretending to pick up woman and they're paying for it instead. So thats just fraud tier.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >for what women actually want
        You already failed there, fucking idiot. Women don't want anything because they don't know what they want and it changes every hour. There is no "what women want". Only what they respond to. You're saying if Tate sweet talked in their ears he'd get more pussy?
        People like Tate loudly and boldly state the truth about women, and the state of the current world for a young man. How is that just "bullshit". You're acting like we should base all our esteem on what makes women tic, instead of knocking them down dome pegs and exposing how dumb they are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Tate fans are delusional ahahah. Tate is rich acts like an abrasive asshole and still has to pay for prostitutes, ask anyone in Bucharest who knows him. He isn’t “pulling girls” he just pays for them and tries to act all macho.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Andrew Tate can never be “high value” men
        >Tate pays for prostitute
        Be that as it may - many PUAs actually banged whore - he's also a legitimate pimp. You can dislike his abrasive personality, but he objectively knows what he's talking about when it comes to women. A guy whose funded a very comfortable and luxurious lifestyle by pimping girls is higher value than 99% of manosphere guys. Out of all the nu-Red Pill guys, I don't know how you can call him the fraud.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Out of all the nu-Red Pill guys, I don't know how you can call him the fraud.
          Jealousy. Most guys aren't self aware enough to be anything more than a basic jelly hater kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He doesn’t fund his lifestyle by pimping girls, he moved to a low cost of living second world country with his savings, made up a fake story, and then funds his lifestyle be selling his crap manosphere stuff to idiots like you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sexpatting and similar arbitrage schemes have been a part of the manosphere since forever. Half of Roosh's "game" was exchanging his dollars for pesos or rubles. Sexual arbitrage in cheap countries has been advocated by daygamers for literal decades. This is an odd criticism of Tate, when he merely followed through on what earlier RPers like Krauser, Roosh, Tom, etc recommended.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Damn I remember the subtle dopamine hits I got reading GLL stuff and imagine living the slayer lifestyle in some American college. A bit autistic yes I know.

        Redpill appeals to that part of your brain that wants the world to be just and that you can work your way into everything, you can become this "high value man" if you just try hard enough, no matter your genetics etc. and then you will finally drown in pussy. At least these days even they grudgingly admit that looks play a big role in your success.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Damn I remember the subtle dopamine hits I got reading GLL stuff and imagine living the slayer lifestyle in some American college. A bit autistic yes I know.
          Chris was an extremely good looking guy, with a top 5% phizeek, and I don't think he ever downplayed the roll of looks. Other guys in the GLLsphere also have done pretty well, and they post proof of it - KYIL Andy, even Derek moreplatesmoredatesdotcom. He also talks about things that make perfect sense and align with my college frat experiences - that most PUAs weren't talking about (because they were weird loners or downplaying how they actually got laid).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >He also talks about things that make perfect sense and align with my college frat experiences
            Like what for example?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Going to parties - distinct from going out, hitting the club- is the biggest one; RQ also points out how weird it is that rarely will you hear a RP guy say "I went to a party/festival with my friends". The way he talks about drugs as well. In general, he talks like a guy who fucks. I'm not saying that I'm a stud, but the guys I know who did get laid a lot act and talk a lot like Chris.

              Some of his stuff is outdated. POF is just bottom of the barrel escorts and scammers now, and daygame odds are way worse than when he was doing it. Social media game is a thing now and way more important than it was one in the years since he got married and stopped actively dating.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see. When you put it that way, I can understand what you mean by a "guy who fucks".

                >Social media game is a thing now and way more important than it was one in the years since he got married and stopped actively dating.
                Totally agree. I remember back when online dating wasn't so ubiquitous and hitting the clubs was still the way to get laid for many, many men.
                Things changed so much, it seems like the majority of young couples now have met through tinder, instagram or whatever. Lockdowns accelerated the process, but it was going to happen anyway.

                Sometimes I feel like these redpill dudes underplay the "looks" part of the looks- charisma - status triad. But then I see some average mofos with really cute girls and my brain wants me to believe that you can overcome a disadvantage in looks with a manly attitude and social calibration. Online dating is a real bitch if you don't have either height/frame or a decent face going on.
                I never liked the idea of daygame, cold approaching just seems like something a guy who's desperate to get pussy will do. I'd rather wait for "IoIs", indicators of interest, then work my way from there as casually as possible and accept that until you are in bed with your dick inside her, it might simply not happen and that's the way it is with women.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > God I hate women so much
    > I hate women so much, all I want to talk about is how much I hate women
    > Why don't women like me...
    > Stupid sluts ruining Western society, this is why we need fascism

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything that pisses off women is usually good.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when mystery was around (was an incel at early 20s) and i thought it was so fucking retarded that no one could actually follow it.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are these guys supposed to be "fresh" or "fit"
    the quality of men nowadays, fucking abhorrent

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, I have realized quality men and women are rare, but when you do see them they never have any trouble finding a quality partner, because both men and women have fallen so low.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they are the literally equivalent to whoopy goldberg women circle sperging out about men
    they arent totally wrong about most topics but its still cringe

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that so many here use "incel" as a serious insult and think the redpill is about hating women or whatever shows how much feminist mindset has been assimilated even by men and became the status quo.

    Men using the same verbiage as feminists to insult an entire group as if they were a hivemind to feel better about themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >using the same verbiage as feminists to insult an entire group as if they were a hivemind to feel better about themselves.
      >insult an entire group as if they were a hivemind
      >same verbiage as feminists
      >as if they were a hivemind
      >as feminists
      >feminist mindset
      Stop projecting.
      And even a broken clock is right 2 times a day.
      The fact that even feminist can dunk on you fuckers is a you problem, not ours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      True. I think it’s clear the elites see feminism as a valuable tool to enforce social norms. Women are naturally conformists and are the gatekeepers of sex. So it’s a rather brilliant way to relentlessly and ruthlessly punish men who don’t adhere to the behaviors desired by our ruling class

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We live in a gynocentric world boyo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      most guys have average IQ
      most guys were raised by single mothers
      you have to be an exceptional person inellectually & mentally to see the forest for the trees and resist the slave mind

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Redpill is 100% correct about women and helped me along with PUA tactics close for many ONS and multiple concurrent LTRs.. Anyone who disagrees is either a woman or a beta male raised by a single mother who projects his angelic view of his mommy onto all women. This is beta male logic when an idea is presented
    >all women are whores (fact)
    >if this were true, that would make my mommy a whore
    >my mommy can't be a whore, because i love my mommy and she is great
    >therefore all women are not whores, and you are a (insert shaming language relative to hole access here)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure buddy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not an argument

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It wasn't supposed to be, buddy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not your buddy, guy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >buddy
        >passive aggressive one liners
        beta male or woman detected

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >passive aggressive one liners
          >beta male or woman detected
          Like poetry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Irrefutably true.
      Has anyone even watched this podcast? Shit's hilarious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Advertising doesn't generally work on anyone with an IQ over 105, average IQ for targeted advertising is 80 - 100.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    literally all you have to do is hop on gear and lift so you get physique and jawline changes. then just tell girls that they're cute and you'll get about 7 or 8 out of every 10 approaches.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's a difference between being redpilled on women and treating them like shit. While its funny when a dumb thot thinks she's better than she is and gets btfo, it's also kind of sad when it's all you do.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The irony is the most 'manly' thing is to not give a fuck about manosphere. Same goes for shit like MGTOW(Men going their own way) which I've noticed not only died, but no one even wanted to talk about it's death - like it was some bad dream.
    If you want to read what they have to say then go nuts. I used to be heavily into these things post high-school a decade ago since I was anti-social and was trying to figure out why I was such an insufferable bastard.
    But looking back, it's that paradox in male culture of:
    1) Don't give a fuck about anything
    2) BUT You must do [thing] to be a man
    I think you can find a balance of having morals and not giving a fuck about 99.9% of things, but I always find myself scratching my head when I see pickup artists/motorcyclist/male stereotype saying "Don't do anything, but YOU MUST do [thing]".

    Pic related, a chapter in this book literally tells you to buy a motorcycle to get pussy. As someone who grew up in the city, moved to the country side for 5 years and learned to despise the city: most motorcyclists are insufferable cunts and are in the same tier as those Honda Civic jury riggers who rev their engines at 2am in quiet neighborhoods. The author reeks of insecurities if you take a step back and look at his books as a whole.

    Nowadays though? Maybe it's because I returned to my child fantasies of ancient hero worship, but I've gotten more knowledge and wisdom reading Mythology and reading history on rituals and tribes than "how to be a man" books. Joseph Campbell is pretty great for that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you hit good truth
      being man is about doing
      young man will think bike or hat works
      this is girl thinking, "I must have that handbag"
      really, bike or hat just complicate man: how to care for hat? Now I am late for work
      at best, girl likes you for hat that other man makes you wear: you are the cuck

      be a man is in action: lift, read, watch duck behaviour

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Duck behaviour?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aaron Clarey is not quite like that. The motorcycle advice was that no vehicle will get you laid, but if you're goint to try then get a bike. It's cheap, it fits the bad boy stereotype, expensive cars attract gold diggers who want to take your money with as little sex as possible, and you probably can't outcompete with old rich guys or idiots who go up to their eyeballs in leverage to pretend to be rich.
      as an insufferable motorcyclist myself It's a terrible vehicle for women because you can't take a girl home in one and they attract thieves and vandals. If you got a truck or van with a bed in the back you could get as drunk as you want, fuck and sleep in the back, and drive home in the morning once you've sobered up.

      If there's a legitimate complaint about Clarey, it's that he assumes everyone else is perfectly rational and doesn't have a mental model of people who arent. The book of numbers is like the necronomicon, but instead it makes you a depressed blackpiller.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Aarons videos are pretty good entertainment, he's the first red pill dude I found by accident from the wacky youtube algo years ago.'
        I also like how he rips on boomers and lazy people.

        It probably doesn't help I grew up in Southern California(but my family was right-winged), which is known to have a "bubble" culture of hard left wing-ism. I do think a lot of people living in the city are frustrated and riding their bikes at 2am with no one to bother them is how they relief stress. Or so I hope.

        Looking back, I did see motorcyclist living in Colorado but most rode sports bikes since you can go over 100 mph in multiple parts of Colorado since there's few to no cops. Those guys weren't so bad and I will admit I wish I was them occasionally - blazing fast while seeing the beautiful forests on both sides of the road.

        Aaron Clarey does have legitimate claims, I usually toss books aside if I think they're 100% bullshit but I took the time to finish them and other works like Rational Male a long time ago because they do have a sense of truth to them. I think too since I grew up going to Church when I was younger that my inner-critic became too harsh and so I just self-sabotage myself and grew jealous of dudes who could so easily not give a fuck and actually follow Aaron Clarey's advice perfectly while I sit around and be a "good little boy because God is watching" and grow envious.

        It still blows my mind to this day that I have more success being asshole to women and treating them like objects. But yeah, his talks about the false rape accusation epidemics, women in general being pretty pathetic nowadays, and how SJW and modern feminist fucked everything up is 100% true. I can't deny it one bit. All that's left is to not give a fuck and be a bad boy, since that's all they fucking want.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          didn’t read

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aarons videos are pretty good entertainment, he's the first red pill dude I found by accident from the wacky youtube algo years ago.'
      I also like how he rips on boomers and lazy people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Much of Clareys advice is taken off forums.
      And off early PUA / Red Pill guys.
      Unlike most of the "Red Pill" guys and why I listeen to him sometimes and other guys with maybee 10 viewers is because they're not just saying "follow me cause muh car muh vacation".
      Take coach greg for example "3 hr" stream has about 10mins of actual useful content unless you litrally just discovered them.

      Alot of these guys are just on a giant ego trip.
      They're basically like male versions of instagram girls "look at me look at me".

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bad, now fuck off back to pol or LULZ

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in theory its good, in practice it's just a bunch of predatory assholes selling shit to retards. none of it is worth your time anon

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Accidentally posted this in the wrong thread, so reposing here:
    A brutal blackpill for me was to observe how some black guy at my gym was picking up a girl. He was shirtless but a DYEL, maybe about 5'7, listening to shitty rap on a bluetooth speaker and flat out told the girl she was THICC. It was weird to see how the disrespect actually got her giggling and their dance carried on.
    I don't particularly care for these two specific ones because they were both hood type of people, but I think that even normal middle-class women probably respond well to this type of "negging" since all women are insecure about their weight.
    It's a bit disappointing to realize this because I'm really not the type to try to bring people down. I either act indifferent towards a person, or I'm naturally kind to them. And honestly, I'm not really keen on forcing myself be that way just so I can get pussy, so I guess I'm out of this game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thicc is not negging, its a compliment in the current year because Kim Kardashian made it cool for white girls to have big butts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      THICC is a compliment in the transnogrified United States and has been for at least a decade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's likely that there was much more to their interaction that you didn't see going on, then you also have to factor in your own confimation bias.

      I'm not saying "negging" or whatever works or not, just that drawing any conclusions from this story other than "some dude got with some girl" is unreasonable.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The modern interpretations of masculinity is a net bad imo. Many men have overworked or non-present father figures and end up sinking into hedonism and distractions like videogames, porn, media, consumerism, so many that target various definitions of masculinity that say you need to buy this product or watch this to be a man, or in subtle ways like men need some special treatment of women. All this shit is really overwhelming and the manosphere contributes to that as well, they're all symptoms of lost masculinity in society, and leads to an in flux of weak men, "nice guys", douchebag PUA, simps, etc. Men can't stop thinking of sex, have fried attention spans thanks to vidya and porn and targeted ads and social media, yet cannot properly communicate their emotions still. The truth is men must be masculine but musn't be ashamed of femininity and empathy/excitability/love but it must be reined in accordingly, and vice versa for women. Men need to be logically skilled, stoic and in control of their emotions, capable of leading and decision making, direct and aggressive but disciplined, but also need empathy, morality, social fluidity, artistry, and the ability to give love without it losing meaning. Identity politics have given a lot of novel identities a place, but in turn has made a whole world of lost men as well, many struggling with inability to hold meaningful relationships, no discipline or sense of morality, self hatred, follower mentality, unskilled, and obsessed with validation from other women or weak men. It's a mentality, and the more you fixate on the divide the less you make progress and you lose yourself in reactionary anger for one side or the other. Trust I was a lot weaker and it will still be a while before I can be whole.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based post

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      retarded take

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based post

      retarded take

      the duality of men

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fake and Fed. They just repeat what Rolex Tomato says. Some of the things they say are true/work, but like most red pilled dating guys, they forget the biggest barrier for most dudes, looks. If a girl doesn't think you are at least someone good-looking, then your game won't do shit. The black pill will set most of us free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is the black pill?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is the black pill?

      I prefer the “looks red pill” over the black pill.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There’s a little truth to them all, and people tend to hyperfocus on one, but I think in order of importance they go from right to left.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They just repeat what Rolex Tomato says
      Like 90% of all manosphere gurus.

      simply take a look at what kind of guys partake in the manosphere -- do you think these are happy successful men who get laid a lot? lol

      the dynamic between men and women is highly fucked up, but women will always have the upperhand because of the inherent difference in partner selection -- if a men can't find an attractive woman to fuck he will exponentially drop his standards until he can finally bust a nut, whereas if a women can't find an attractive man she will simply opt to have no sex rather than settle for an unattractive one

      >simply take a look at what kind of guys partake in the manosphere -- do you think these are happy successful men who get laid a lot? lol
      This is not the intelligent take you probably think it is.

      A lot of the guys who end up in the manosphere do so specifically because they don't have sucessful sexual lives and they are looking for answers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mate that's because Rollo trains these guys up.
        I'm convinced he's selling some program "How to become a mansophere alpha super coach" buy Rollo just give me 10% of all sales.
        Gotta be something like that going on.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Must be it, Rollo seems like a huge shill but his first book is good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I don't hate the guy or anything but when he started shilling NFTs alarm bells started going off.

            He's pulled any mention of it from his youtube.

            https://coinmarketbag.com/red-pill-lions-nft-drops-may-1st/

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah the NFT shilling gave me bad feelings as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if you go on a list if you say the wrong thing in their chat lmfao.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    simply take a look at what kind of guys partake in the manosphere -- do you think these are happy successful men who get laid a lot? lol

    the dynamic between men and women is highly fucked up, but women will always have the upperhand because of the inherent difference in partner selection -- if a men can't find an attractive woman to fuck he will exponentially drop his standards until he can finally bust a nut, whereas if a women can't find an attractive man she will simply opt to have no sex rather than settle for an unattractive one

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Donovan sharpe ruined a whole generation of blackcels

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How so

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If Tate didn't exist, I'd say that guy is the biggest grifter of them all.

      A dude who needs to crush people's hands when handshaking them in order to convince himself that he's "alpha" is absolutely pathetic. He married a fat white woman that apparently IS THE ONE RUNNING HIS MANOSPHERE BIS behind the curtains.

      An absolute joke. Seriously, the manosphere has very good content and advice, but there's so many frauds, grifters and conmen getting in to take money from desperate men that I understand why some guys choose to simply stay away from it all.

      I blame Rollo for giving these guys momentum.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rollos a cover / opener band.
        I suspect this is all to maintain his "rockstar" lifestyle until he retires.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >no mention of pic rel the absolute GOAT

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the manosphere goat is and always be Patrice O'Neal, gay.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Patrice O'neal- Women are shit, treat them like toilets
    >Kevin Samuels- Women are shit, if you're not making more than 600k as a man you're also shit
    >Fresh and Fit- Just be an asshole
    >clip videos on youtube of this shit- yeah man just be an asshole and girls will like you
    >the girls acting like they aren't the same (pearlythoughts melanie king) - yeah see women are dumb, but not me!

    It's all so fucking pathetic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      America needs a jihad to fix the relation between the sexes, yes.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    300+ replies, are jannies really this inconsistent? I got banned a couple months ago for making a manosphere/red pill thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fit implies he lifts so sorta revelant

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Might be more to the fact we are talking about logical inconsistancies rather than many threads that just devolve into mud flinging.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thats a rather broad statement, most people using the term "manosphere" are grifters.
    You misinterpreting "red pill or men related content"

    If these guys were on the radio they would be called "shock jocks".
    Not to take away from the good they do but there is a substancial ammount of grift and exageration going on, easy to find with 20mins of looking. But most of you have the attention span of a gold fish and wont even read this comment.

    If anyones asking you for money its a business first and an entertainment second.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    don't these beta morons pay women on seekingarrangement... such an alpha move LOL

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The copeosphere?
    It's great. Especially for all the grifters. It doesn't look like the subhumans will realize how over it really is for them any time soon.

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