*is the single biggest predictor of heart disease in your path*

*is the single biggest predictor of heart disease in your path*

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the leading causes of heart disease are the same as those of obesity, i.e eating too much and physical inactivity, and alcohol.

    you're more likely to eat too many calories when you're eating meat because it's calorie dense, correlation isn't causation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hope she sees this bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lean meat is no more calorie dense than a potato and the leading risk factors for heart disease are not obesity but diabetes and metabolic syndrome

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        potatoes are extremely calorie dense you moron, all tubers are.

        >and the leading risk factors for heart disease are not obesity but diabetes and metabolic syndrome

        guess what causes that as well? the same factors as obesity, same goes for every other chronic disease, even cancer largely has the same causes as obesity on top of obesity also causing cancer.

        >you're more likely to eat too many calories when you're eating meat because it's calorie dense

        nope. meat fills you up and keep you full for long cause of the protein content and fats. processed foods is what is calorie dense and not high in protein

        normal people don't stop eating when they're full.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are not even internally consistent. You should reread what you wrote.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are you arguing that meat is the cause of obesity?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you're more likely to eat too many calories when you're eating meat because it's calorie dense

      nope. meat fills you up and keep you full for long cause of the protein content and fats. processed foods is what is calorie dense and not high in protein

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shut up, garden gnome.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure the leading indicator is being american

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shalom chudsteinberg

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    this is what they always do lol, I've seen it at least a 100 times, they make a bullshit retarded thread like "MEAT BAD" people btfo them with studies, and they quickly abandon the thread to make a new one
    I cant fucking figure out the end game, must be a discord chud raid thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They've somehow managed to confuse themselves into believing that a nutritious food humans have eaten for millions of years, that arguably made us humans, is responsible for a quite modern disease

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they're trannies, they also confused themselves into believing chopping off your dick and taking estrogen pills turns you into a woman

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    and mass replying like the cretin gay you are is?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >you're more likely to eat too many calories when you're eating meat because it's calorie dense, correlation isn't causation.
    neither is this then.
    go and troll somewhere else

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >normal people don't stop eating when they're full
      I guess you and I have very different standards for what's "normal"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        potatoes are extremely calorie dense you moron, all tubers are.

        >and the leading risk factors for heart disease are not obesity but diabetes and metabolic syndrome

        guess what causes that as well? the same factors as obesity, same goes for every other chronic disease, even cancer largely has the same causes as obesity on top of obesity also causing cancer.
        [...]
        normal people don't stop eating when they're full.

        replied to the wrong post

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        normal doesn't mean neutral, normal people have very poor eating habits, are too fat, and don't stop eating after they're full because their hormonal response is completely washed.

        are you arguing that meat is the cause of obesity?

        no, this goes for all calorie dense foods, many of our staples such as potatoes, dairy, etc, are also very calorie dense, so whenever they test these hypothesizes it looks like these foods cause them to be fat because it's extremely easy to overeat, it's not that easy to overeat when you're not eating any meat or processed foods (most meats we consume are processed btw)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >normal people have very poor eating habits, are too fat
          Why has this changed so much in the past 50 years? And no we are not exercising less.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            largely because we shifted from manual labor type jobs to desk jobs, it's not what you do in your free time that matters when most of your time spend throughout the week isn't free.

            if you look at a map of testosterone levels you'll see that the countries with the highest are those that still work physical jobs under the sun.

            landscapers for example burn like two or three times as many calories throughout the day as someone of equal size that works a desk job, they're unlikely to ever get morbidly obese, although they are chubby sometimes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >largely because we shifted from manual labor type jobs to desk jobs
              Probably wrong. Mechanization was already in place before the obesity epidemic exploded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The explosion of obesity at least in the US also coincides with the exercise revolution. The idea that in 1970 everybody exercised 12 hours a day and thats why we weren't obese is a fantasy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                machines weren't that good yet at that point, they still had to stand along a rolling band which still burns a lot more calories than sitting at a desk and pushing paper.

                but processed food has become a lot more accessible, and most of it is animal based at least to an extend, or some high calorie starch such as potato or corn.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People didn't have cars or TVs in 1970s? Your claims are seeming more ridiculous

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                twice as many people own a car now as in 1970.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This also doesn't explain the huge levels obesity amongst impoverished populations of which there are many

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                obesity levels aren't that much higher in poor demographics as they are in the rich outside of america, this is a meme that americans keep bringing up that doesn't really apply to the rest of the world, there's some difference but it's not 'huge' by any means.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The difference doesn't have to be huge the question is why are they still obese without the modern luxuries you seem to claim are the cause. The most obese nations are almost all poor Pacific Islands

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                food is the only modern luxury that poor people can afford, that's also specifically why they tend to be fatter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And the cheapest foods are sugar, flour, and processed oils

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a combination of less activity, both daily movement and less exercise. a long with increase in caloric intake. at first it was sugary processed foods, then they changed it, now its fatty processed foods.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not convincing
                >Since 1980, obesity prevalence among US adults has soared from 14% to 42%. The commonly accepted explanation is pervasive overeating: ever-increasing energy intake as the population gains weight, year after year. However, evidence does not support this hypothesis. National data on energy intake and energy availability show increases between 1961 and 2000, during modern industrialization of food; but a plateau or declines thereafter-even as obesity continued rising-and while physical activity modestly increased. Thus, Americans appear to be eating relatively less since 2000, for ever-increasing body sizes, as time has progressed.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35460220/

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >many of our staples such as potatoes, dairy, etc, are also very calorie dense
          i agree with your processed food part, but dairy intake is associate with lower bodyweight. potatoes are also similar, iirc
          https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo201378
          https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/11/9/2237
          >Our findings suggest that dairy intake, especially low-fat dairy products, has a beneficial effect on HOMA-IR, waist circumference, and body weight.
          https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/obr.12158
          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1047279716303398
          >This meta-analysis indicates that dairy products consumption may be associated with a decreased risk of obesity. This association may be of public health significance.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but dairy intake is associate with lower bodyweight.

            this might also be a case of correlation instead of causation, because the races that have the most obesity are also largely lactose intolerant, and the countries with the highest dairy consumption are also tall as fuck with a good infrastructure which makes them less likely to be fat.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if your claim was true we would see. theres litterally hundreds of meta analysis on the topic, and nearly all of them show dairy to be beneficial in diets, in terms of weight management, in weight loss, and a few on how it improves muscle gain in lifters.

              your claim about dairy being a part of the obesity issue is not backed by anything.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                obesity only has a single cause, and that's consistently eating more food than your body needs, you don't need to analyse whether it's easier to reach that point by consuming foods that are higher in calories dummy.

                anything can cause obesity if you eat enough of it and just don't move.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                youre the one who said dairy was one of the reasons, i showed research that proves it wrong.
                you just keep moving the goalpoast cause you cant fathom that your take was wrong. then you call me dumb, which is hilarious. projection at its finest

                >anything can cause obesity if you eat enough of it and just don't move.
                completely unrelated topic, when talking about a population of people we see general behaviours. and when we look at behaviours of people who eat and drink dairy we see less obesity issues.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                read

                >but dairy intake is associate with lower bodyweight.

                this might also be a case of correlation instead of causation, because the races that have the most obesity are also largely lactose intolerant, and the countries with the highest dairy consumption are also tall as fuck with a good infrastructure which makes them less likely to be fat.

                probably has nothing to do with dairy preventing it, but the people that are the most prone to obesity being unable to consume it.

                >and when we look at behaviours of people who eat and drink dairy we see less obesity issues.

                it's incredibly easy to assume that's because of the consumption itself if you're a dumb fuck that can't analyse studies.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not knowing they equate for social economic status(one of the largest drivers of obesity) in studies
                maybe you should point the critique towards yourself.
                also i never said dairy prevented it. i just dont make dumb claims like dairy is one of the reasons for obesity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                economic status and obesity are not much of a correlation outside of central america.

                And the cheapest foods are sugar, flour, and processed oils

                and products made from waste meat, that's why pacific islanders are so fat, their diet consists mostly out of spam and the kind of vacuum packed sausages that are still edible after a half year trip on a boat at sea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except meat is not fattening. Sugar is

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                processed meat is incredibly fattening, and most meat people eat is processed.

                hence why your example of pacific islanders are some of the fattest people on the planet, they eat a lot of it because nothing else survives the trip to their islands.

                their diet pre-colonial era was 60-78 percent carbohydrates, 10-15 percent protein and 7-30 percent fat and they weren't obese back then despite almost entirely eating carbs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because nothing else survives the trip to their islands.
                Sugar and white flour makes it just fine

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but mah sugar
                that also contributes yes, obesity isn't determined by a single food group but by your total consumption.

                >they eat a lot of it because nothing else survives the trip to their islands.
                It's hard to get to fiji, hawaii or new zealand?

                they raise their own meat on new zealand, many of these smaller most obese islands are pretty desolate in terms of livestock productive capacity, most of their food is brought in by boat so it has to be the kind that stays 'edible' for extended periods of time.

                most islands are like this, even the grocery stores on greek islands are filled with this kind of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they eat a lot of it because nothing else survives the trip to their islands.
                It's hard to get to fiji, hawaii or new zealand?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              we could also say that dairy is not that high in carbs and is low in pufas, therefore there's no reason for it to be obesogenic, but that might make some people upset since there might be some implications regarding insulin signalling in there

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do vegan discord trannies really not understand that you have to be physically active to enjoy most foods?
    Everything circles back to not being a lardass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except you dont have to. If you eat well your weight and appetite should regulate themselves as they have for millions of years

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        protip, we dont live in small tibes, in the forest, anymore. thinking we can live completely natural in modern sociaty is a fantasy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I live in a much different climate than my ancestors did and the homeostatic system that regulates my internal temperature maintains itself just fine. Why is weight not the same?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cause those 2 are completely different systems, that is wildly different in how external factors affect them.
            you can gain 200% bodyweight and still live 30 years. youll die at a 10% temperature difference

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People haven't been sedentary and sitting inside getting zero sunlight for millions of years.
        You have to be physically active, there's literally no other way around it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You dont. Hunter gatherers were much less active than you think

          cause those 2 are completely different systems, that is wildly different in how external factors affect them.
          you can gain 200% bodyweight and still live 30 years. youll die at a 10% temperature difference

          Also doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You underestimate how much a survival disadvantage carrying that much fat would be

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You dont. Hunter gatherers were much less active than you think
            1st worlders are much less active than you think.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have been getting more active and more obese at the same time

              Not convincing
              >Since 1980, obesity prevalence among US adults has soared from 14% to 42%. The commonly accepted explanation is pervasive overeating: ever-increasing energy intake as the population gains weight, year after year. However, evidence does not support this hypothesis. National data on energy intake and energy availability show increases between 1961 and 2000, during modern industrialization of food; but a plateau or declines thereafter-even as obesity continued rising-and while physical activity modestly increased. Thus, Americans appear to be eating relatively less since 2000, for ever-increasing body sizes, as time has progressed.
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35460220/

              its probably the food

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More active compared to what? I agree that it's mostly the food but to say the average North American is more active than an ancient hunter gatherer is retarded. Your average people can't walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your average people
                *person

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eating all meat is fucking stupid. If heart disease doesn’t kill you the nitrosamines and carcinogens will

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the chuckle. If you are serious than that's even more hilarious

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly with your level of stupidity you should of been euthanized or shipped off to some prison island like Australia

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like the vegans are waking up. Careful you don't lose a nail slamming on that keyboard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This better be a troll. I refuse to believe this level retardation is possible.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The leading cause of heart disease is poor genetics.

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