Is there anything wrong with machines for legs?

Is there anything wrong with machines for legs? Was the whole ”YOU NEED TO SQUAT/DEADLIFT, NO EXCEPTIONS” crowd always just powerlifters? I think so.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only real argument against shit like squats is
    >it's hard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it's hard
      When people say this, what they mean is that it has a low benefit to fatigue ratio.
      Squats aren't the optimal excersize if your goal is to solely target or even just emphasize legs. Because it's a compound lift that works a ton of different muscles, and therefore uses a ton of energy. If you're targeting your legs, any energy used on other muscles is wasted energy that could've been used on even more sets of an isolated leg exercise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Target legs only
        >disregard every other muscle

        Great way to stunt strength and be more injury prone. It's a good thing when an exercise is a compound that works underdeveloped stabilizer muscles, the benefits of that are way bigger than the small benefits of isolating the muscle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Legs are more than one muscle. They're literally 50% of your body. In what way is working out 50% of your body going to stunt your strength?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >disregard every other muscle
          No. Just the stabilizer muscles that sap energy with no aesthetic benefit. The other muscles worked in squats, like the abs, hamstrings, and calves will all get trained directly in their own isolation exercises.
          >stunt strength
          I have no interest in strength. That's what guns are for. All I care about is looking good.
          >more injury prone
          The exercises with the most injury risk are big compound lifts. So the problem solves itself by excluding them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Heccin based! Here you are, kind stranger. Don’t spend it all on one sub!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's an extremely high benefit / low effort lift. Getting to 3pl8 for reps with decent form and legit depth will make you much stronger in a way that will carry over to very many other things.
        >but muh I only care about hypertrophy
        Sure, I agree to an extent. At a certain point squats stop being a good cost benefit for hypertrophy alone. But that isn't the case for 99% of this board. Not getting to a respectable level of performance in the base compound is just cope, you are not too lean / tall / short / whatever cope metric to reach an easily attainable number like I listed.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How do I get scaly skin like this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >morons don't know what Goosebumps are
      Go in pool
      get out of pool

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you can get decent legs by just spamming 5 close to failure sets of leg curls and 5 sets close to failure of leg extensions, maybe with some seated calf raises at the end as well
    i mean squats are still good for you because they work on your core and stabilizers but if you're doing it just so you don't have chicken legs you can easily build them with 2-3 machines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You may be able to maintain something w/ that, but I'm highly sceptical of the idea that someone can build decent legs with only those 2 machine exercises.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "You need to squat/DL/bench big to get big" is an old IST meme used to troll newbies into years of nogains, wasted time and Snap City.
    Since big legs are for power bottoms, extension/curls/leg press are more than enough for legs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post body

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >”YOU NEED TO SQUAT/DEADLIFT/bench, NO EXCEPTIONS”
    u must avoid it like plague, and u must avoid everything that's emulating moron "lifts" - machines included

  6. 1 month ago
    I ignore women

    If you don’t deadlift then your traps and neck don’t grow then you have a imbalanced curlbro physique

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Big traps are ugly as frick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Untrue, heavy shrugs and/or upright rows will work fine. Barbell rows are good for the traps too.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why? You want more hypertrophy and less athleticism? Just front squat your bodyweight for reps

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >athleticism
      >squats
      lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Almost every single d1 sport strength and conditioning program includes squats, moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah? Literally every athlete in a sport that involves the legs squat.

        Whether that's the NFL, Football, Fighting, Basketball. They all squat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Whether that's the NFL, Football, Fighting, Basketball. They all squat.
          No.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, you fricking dumbass.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just do bodyweight squats or squats with dumbbells. Squats are a good enough exercise that you should probably do them, even bodyweight will make your legs strong.
    If you want to get muscular legs without squats/deadlifts, I'd actually recommend lots of walking (with incline) for calves, and biking for quads instead of machines. You can get insane muscle gains from walking/biking, and anyone who disagrees probably has pencil legs or are fat powerlifters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Biking is great but it doesn't train hamstrings as well. It does if you have a good bike where you can "pull" the pedal back. You don't even need a gym to get a great lower body workout. Fill a wheelbarrow to the brim and walk that around for 10 minutes. Single wheel wheelbarrow though, don't be a gay who needs two wheels.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In a pinch you can put straps on your pedals like pic rel on pretty much any bike for that pull movement. For a bit of money you can swap out your pedals with clip-on pedals and buy cycling shoes as well.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Machines don't train stabilizer muscles. They train in exactly one plane of motion since you don't have to balance to prevent yourself from falling. They aren't bad, but you should do some free weights too. Doesn't have to be barbell squats, split squats are good, lunges are good, steps up. There's options.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >stabilizer muscles
      Show them on an anatomy chart.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you being snarky or are you suggesting that humans don't have muscles that we use to stabilize our entire body?

      • 1 month ago
        I ignore women

        >believes anatomy charts
        lol let me guess you believe the quadriceps only has 4 muscles lmao even

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody gave a frick about squatting and deadlifting until the 2010s, they were arcane niche exercises.
    Yeah, Arnold wrote about the growth hormone bro science but guess what? Nobody cared. The mantra in the 80s and 90s was that running was enough for legs and in the 2000s, people only did MMA workouts anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no one cared about squatting and dead lifting until 10ish years ago
      Holy frick zoomer. What a moronic thing to say. I know it's hard to imagine, but the world existed before you did.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you just vomit out words and expect everyone to believe the bullshit you spout?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the internet does exactly that, anon. And then if you call them out, 99/100 times the response is
        >post body

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just run. You train your entire leg with running and it helps keep you lean.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Squats and deadlifts are both good and you can get massive with them, but they aren't always the best.
    If spinal loading is your limiting factor then machines will be better
    If you want to individually target specific muscles (particularly the calves) then machines will be better.
    If cardio is your limiting factor then machines can be better.

    The most important thing is that you build the best program for your needs

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont do Deadlifts and Squads and mostly do stuff at the machines. Still i have massive a massive ass, legs and calves.
    I use the following exercises:
    Hip thrust/ Kick backs
    legcurls
    Leg extensions
    Ab- and Adduktor
    Calv raises

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You should probably mix some squats or deadlifts in occasionally just for mobility but that's a good program

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i stopped doing squats after a knee injury but i should start with deadlifts again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          makes sense, obviously you know your body better than an internet rando

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing, if I could turn back time I would have never done squats or go hard on DL. Be gentle to your spine, you won't get another one and heavy squats/DLs will definitely frick it up to some degree, no matter how good your form will be.
    I'm gonna get yelled at for this post, but it won't make it less true.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not really but you need to do 4 machines to get the same effect of just squatting

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You might end up neglecting your lower back if you literally only use machines for legs.

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