Just started Amlodipine and a radical new diet. I’m 46, have high blood pressure and just had a stress test that showed a relatively healthy heart. So I’m dealing with high BP. Is this something that I can try to help ease the transition to a no salt diet?
It’s unlikely salt is causing your high blood pressure, though it isn’t necessarily impossible. Sodium is an essential electrolyte after all. What is your diet, exercise habits, sleep schedule, and approximate body fat percentage?
>eating garbage that I pretend is "not that bad"
>eating basically every waking hour of the day, a "10 hour fast" is a big deal for me
>moving basically never, pretending like any amount of movement is basically the equivalent of a hike
>massive globohomo media consumption
>sleeping like ass
I just don't trust it
You don't even know what it is
This is what kills your heart
Your heart health is the largest factor in your lifespan
As heart failure is the most common way for people to die
If you don't take care of your heart, you will not live as long as you want
Abusing your hormones, such as with steroids, damages your heart
The heart is the most important muscle in your body, when it fails, you die
>The heart is the most important muscle in your body, when it fails, you die
It is literally survival of the fittest out here
The longer you live, the more you can reproduce
The two most basic goals of any biological organism, survival and reproduction
Although the salt is likely not causing the high bp by itself, most humans are deficient in potassium and this KCl salt would be a great addition to your diet.
A no salt diet will lead to higher blood pressure by stimulating aldosterone (the salt retention hormone), your doctor or whoever suggested that is a criminally idiotic. You should eat salt according to taste to keep aldosterone low.
A good supplement of magnesium, taurine, coq10, vitamin d3 + k2, niacinamide, aspirin, progest-e will absolutley fix any blood pressure problem. And if they don't, consider safer meds like ACEI/ARBS which supress aldosterone.
thank u landshark
Just try not using salt. OMG people that are told they have medical issues, ones that can kill then, and they still can't give up something in their diet. Incredible.
Amlodipine is a diuretic. While salt leaves the body with it, so do other things, such as potassium.
And what does low potassium cause? HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE.
Literally get off that shit, just cut salt from the diet, not even cut it. Lower it. But it's likely your high blood pressure is from your diet, and not salt, which is kinda an outdated theory outdated now.
Calcification or hardening of the arteries in an issue for most with high blood pressure, and simply taking vitamin d and k3 will deal with it.
This. I hate doctors so much it's unreal.
agree with the previous anon, your doctor should swap you off amlodipine and put you on an ACE inhibitor or AT2 receptor blocker
Nu salt is potassium chloride, no chance in hell he is going to get low potassium
Doc, I didn’t understand the previous anon’s explanation on why I should be on the ACE and not the Calcium Channel Blocker Amlodipine. Can you or someone explain it to me, please?
It's just a better medication for blood pressure, but both should be fine. To high of a dose of ACEi can cause an increase in bradykinin and downstream prostaglandis, causing edema, cough, heightend sensetivity to pain. ARB's are better for blood pressure, ACEi seem to be slightly more effective in heart failure. Try taurine and magnesium (and all the other things i mentioned in the second post) and eating a Ray Peat style diet first before taking any of that.
You are physician yet don't know ARB's are Angiotensin II AT1 receptor blockers. An AT2 receptor blocker would increase blood pressure. Doctors are useless maniacs, fuck you and your entire profession you demon.
Vitamin k3 is toxic, do you mean k2?
Unless you are a genetic defect or never drink any water you don't have to give a single fuck about your salt intake. Your body is able to regulate itself and flush out any excess.
I don’t understand picrel.
I am 5’10, 46 years old. I was 190lbs but since I started my diet about 10 days ago ive lost close to 10 lbs already. i walk/run walk anywhere from 13-20 miles a week/3.5 a day. I dont smoke cigarettes, was pretty stoned 24 / 7 for most of my life. I haven’t had alcohol in 10 days nor weed. I averaged about 6-10 drinks a week for many many years. My goal is to get my bp down amd get off the amlodipine asap. I hate the pharmaceutical industry with passion. I take C, D, zinc, aspirin, and NAC as a daily. I drink tons of water daily, no soda only coffee which 10 days ago switched to black only. Thabks for all the responses
Awesome man. It is almost certain your lifestyle caused this condition. If it is your goal to fix your lifestyle then reassess your condition and medication, I think that’s a great idea. I would personally use “no salt” for as little time as possible though. Good luck.
Talk to your doctor
I want to say it'll help but you should probably just lower your salt
Good on you for putting in the work
I feel weak as shit when BP drops below 115/75. Nearsightedness gets worse when BP goes above 125/85.
Get Lite-Salt instead it's 50/50 sodium and potassium. Potassium helps with vasodilation/reducing blood pressure, so it's better to have a good balance of both. IDK what the optimal ratio is.
Unironically try taking a salt tablet instead and see if it reduces the swelling.
Removing salt will probably fuck up your blood pressure even more, you just need to get more potassium.
there's plenty of sodium in food naturally, using potassium or whatever as table salt is not going to hurt
Only NuMen eat Nu Salt. Enjoy your fake salt product. I eat old fashioned sodium chloride because that what a man eats. I use tablespoons because teaspoons of sodium chloride are for weaklings.
You want maximum water retention to get a better pump. Don’t come crying to me when you lose your pump and start developing a vagina because you ate that slop.
I will literally come to your house on a roid rage and fuck your Nu Vag because that’s what a man does to men who don’t act like men. It’s in the Bible.
>is this a safe alternative to salt
Yes. It’s just a different salt. This is potassium chloride, regular salt is sodium chloride. If you need potassium, like you get q charlie horse or muscle spasms then you need potassium. This is a better way to get potassium than bananas or coconut water.
try increasing magnesium and potassium and see if your BP dropped.
also try ashwaganda.
Thanks IST. You have made this 4chantard’s day. I should venture out of that shithole more often. I feel like I can do this.
As far as I'm aware potassium salts are only contraindicated with ACE inhibitors like ramipril or possibly potassium sparing diuretics. This is a calcium channel blocker and I don't think it has the same pharmacology though you would want to ask your doctor. If your doctor is dismissive or doesn't know and just bullshits you you might want to if you can find another doctor. If your doctor has given you b******* advice like you want to have zero salt intake that's also a very bad indicator that your doctor is either treating you like an idiot because they think there's no way you'll eat zero salt you'll just eat chips and salty cheese and all sorts of things and get enough salt anyway they're lying to you because they have contempt for you or they're just stupid. You want about 2 G of sodium a day and there's very little evidence that less than that will help unless your problem is retention of water due to inability to excrete sodium. I have hypertension and was retaining water with swelling in my legs. A low dose of Ramipril brought down the swelling in my legs.
I was in a similar position a year ago. 50 years old, high blood pressure and on Amlodipine. I weighted in at 250. A keto diet did the trick for me. I dropped 50 pounds over a year, and had to go off the blood pressure medicine because my blood pressure was bottoming out. I have been off the BP meds for 5 months, and still have borderline low blood pressure (which has minimal health side effects).
Definitely worth a try if you want to ditch the meds.
On a side note, I will also add that since I started this diet, haven’t been drinking, smoking weed, cut out added surgars and sweets and started amlodipine my desire to watch porn and jerk off has bottomed out. Banged the wife like a champ last night taboot. Is this a side effect of the amlodipine?
If you can get it cialis will lower your bp, along with other benefits.
>thinking that salt raises blood pressure
You really don't need to avoid salt altogether, but you should avoid table salt. Sea salt or Himalayan pink salt is what you need to use. What's in the NU salt?
It’s potassium chloride. And I tried a tiny pinch on some broccoli tonight and was not impressed at all.
>radical new diet
>high blood pressure
it's keto isn't it
No, you have it backwards. I started a new diet because I have high bp. Nothing crazy, just completely cut out all goyslop and eating like a pig. Lots of veggies (my wife is amazing chef), normal sized portions, cut out sugar and cream in the coffee, cut alcohol and weed
Veggies fried in PUFA is not healthy and it's the mainstream "diet", it's the most goyslop thing ever. Sugar and diary are health foods, the calcium in diary supresses PTH, PTH bolsters Aldosterone and increases blood pressure. Not providing sugar causes you to shift over into lypolisis which is a state of stress, something you definetly don't want in the case of blood pressure, lypolisis of PUFA is also a very well known cause of cancer, heart disease, diabetes. Beta blockers used in heart failure almost completly block lypolisis which is why they increase life span in the patients. Aspirin, niacinamide do the same.
Thank you anon. When you say “sugars”, I am eating lots if fruits and when Inwant to add sweet to, say morning oatmeal, I am adding maple syrup.
Is avacado oil a bad oil? Should I fry my egg in it or butter?
I called my doctor to ask about an ACE instead of the amlodipine. If the thread stays alive I will update. The reason I am so interested is because if the secondary effects I’ve read about in combating this daily migraine.
A side note, thanks to everyone offering insights and advice. I thank you so much and my family thanks you.
I mean any good source, fruit is the best since it has the minerals, vitamins (and other protective things like Naringin in oranges) that the body requires when the sugar speeds up the metabolism, but cane or beet sugar is fine too, corn syrup is contaminated with starch and it's sometimes used in maple syrup products, it should be avoided. Starch in general induces a severe insulin response and should be avoided. Fructose from fruit or cane sugar can act in place of insulin causing less of a reaction.
Avacado oil is okay PUFA wise, similar to olive oil. Butter or coconut oil are the best frying oils.
Ah I see, tbh you should probably be fine. All those alternative salts are usually just potassium or magnesium, don't OD on it and it's perfectly fine to replace your salt with it.
That's potassium salt. In fact, the Nu-Salt is my favorite brand because it's pure potassium chloride. If you want to lower your blood pressure, use that stuff in conjunction with, not in place of, regular salt.
'table salt' is poison.
Sea salt is good for you.
naturalist fallacy, it's the exact same unless they added iodine which can be harmful
Avoid table salt (sodium chloride), because salt is in everything as a preservative 90% of the time. So even if you avoided adding it to your food for flavour, you should still get enough sodium from the food you eat.
Salt works with potassium, so you need both in your diet for electrolytes to function.
Avoid caffeine and alcohol for high blood pressure issues. Dehydration can also cause HBP.
I suggest making snake juice (1 tbsp of sea salt, 1 tbsp of potassium salt (your pic), 1 tbsp of ACV and some lemon juice to taste and either drink it all at once or put it in a 2 litre of water and drink it throughout the day.
No. Get the ones that are 50/50 sodium/potassium. Salt isn't bad, but a that's a better profile of salts to use than just regular sodium salt.