is this achievable natty?

is this achievable natty?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If he gets that defensive he might as well regardless of his look,
    achievable natty? Yes
    Did he do it natty? Probably not with how it only took 4 months

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Delts are a literal dead giveaway

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >delts
      >lateral giveaway
      such an opportunity wasted

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        those spinal erectors.. deadlift giveaway

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no clue but he's 100% packing some meat

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    he's lifted before he was a fat fuck so he's building quickly again because of muscle memory which nattys have

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Before" is obviously a natty who stopped lifting for a while

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    miz go to sleep roid boi

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. 100% roids. This is not even remotely possible in 4 months not even with "le muscle memory". This is unironically fucking insane transformation even if he was on gear. People need to understand how small time frame 4 months is and that you don't just turn into an IFBB pro if you touch roids.

    Getting called a roider is LITERALLY the best compliment you can get as a natural. It should be something to be insanely proud of. How defensive he gets is a dead giveaway that he is roiding with knut's help.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like roids in moderation.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you get called a roider and sperg out over it... you’re roiding

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine thinking this transformation achievable within 4 month.
    this guy have no idea how hard to get muscle with natty.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh genetics
    I laughed so hard

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lighting and pump
    It is mostly this and not even new muscle growth, he took the pic with some bright overhead lights after a long workout.
    You should see how much your arms blow up after just hanging from a bar for a few minutes, completely achievable.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dude took some SARMs

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    canonball delts and traps going from nonexistent to juicy in 4 months?
    Nah, he's roiding

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The classic roidchud genetics cope. lol
      Exactly this for anyone doubting

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >instantly gets super defensive about it
    yep hes roidin'

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably. It looks like a lot of that muscle was already there but just hidden under fat. His comment about pump/ lighting is true as well

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. He could bench 2 pl8s even in the before pic

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is rounding. Traps are a dead giveaway

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Height?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      On pokimanes stream he showed his driving license to her to tell her his height because she thought he was like 5,9 or some shit and it turns out hes 5,5 actually

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you know what, if this was a year's progress I wouldn't even question the dude's nattyness. four months seems pretty sus, although it could also be down to lighting and camera angles in both pictures (you can make yourself look really shitty for a "before" picture if you know what you're doing)

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    100% roiding.

    traps. delts.

    mizkif is also a liar so why believe anything he says

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's losing weight, lighting and camera angles.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        going from left to right in 4 months is physiologically impossible without steroids. It's not only a large amount of muscle gain, but it's also a large amount of fat loss.

        If you look at FPS russia's steroid gains, this guy pretty much mirrors them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you think that retard is capable of doing that? he has zero discipline.

        he is roiding.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        so why dont you look like that even after 3-5 years of lifting?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    that amount of progress in that amount of time is roids.

    The picture in the middle is believable if he minmaxed everything and since he's a streamer he likely has the time to go to a gym, hire a trainer, hire a dietician, etc.

    The pic on the right is obvious roids, that's like near genetic potential which should take about 5-8 years naturally for the average male. You just don't blow up like that while also cutting massive amount of weight which is what he did. The only thing that allows you to gain massive amounts of muscle while also losing massive amounts of fat is gear

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This guy is a rat and always takes the easy way out so it's in his character to roid.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey chat
    >*says some zoomer lingo*
    >*Gives a half smirt and looks over his shoulder to the other person in the room"
    >*More zoomer lingo*
    >Isnt that right chat?

    He is perhaps the most boring streamer I've ever encountered.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If he didn’t mention genetics I would have believed him, he’s on test for sure

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honest question, has anyone here actually worked out like a properly for 4 months straight?

    My brother took me to the gym 6 days a week, no pauses. Followed nothing outside of Arnold’s encyclopedia. Only took protein and creatine. And I looked like OP’s pic at 17. Exactly 4 months because that’s how long his break between work was.

    I don’t get these fucking threads. There’s always an army of people who can’t believe it’s doable. While I fully believe genetics plays a huge role, I don’t know A SINGLE PERSON who doesn’t have an amazing body when they’re working out 6 on/1 rest day + tracking their diet and getting enough sleep. Except for the one fat fuck who claims to work out “every day” but in reality, they mindlessly throw around some weights for 30 minutes before going home.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >like a properly

      Whoops, just meant to type properly

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you literally didn't. Mizkif benches over 2pl8 for like 8 reps. It's just literally not possible there is no need to argue this you are just wrong. Case closed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        the average person can gain about 1 oz of muscle per day. This is assuming a caloric surplus and optimal training regimen. You don't gain more muscle by hitting the gym more often, in fact you may gain less muscle because of fatigue.

        17 also makes you much more resilient and allows you to work out a lot because you can recover faster.

        You were likely also skinnyfat, not fat, which also makes building muscle much easier since all you have to do is eat more. It takes much more willpower and effort to eat less and maintain a caloric deficit while also trying to build muscle if you're fat. If you are skinny you are in a caloric surplus and building muscles.

        You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't understand the underlying physiology of what is happening.

        So, have either of you gays lifted 6on/1off? And yeah I forgot to mention I was skinny, not fat like OP

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          again, exercising more does not lead to more gains. Again, if you are starting lifting being fat, you have to lose the fat first before you gain any appreciable muscle. If you start skinny all you have to do is gain muscle.

          Saying you work out 6 days a week has no relation to muscle growth. You are proving how little you know by doubling down on this statement

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what does supercompensation mean in this context? Is it the body building back more musclefibers than were originally in place? Also, does this mean that working out my glutes with squats while they are still sore(a bit) from my last workout diminish my gains?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              fatigue produces damage on the muscle, the body heals that muscle then supercompensates in an attempt to avoid the damage again, this is how the muscle grows. If you work out before this process happens, you will end up not growing any muscle at all. This is also why progressive overload is important because your body adapts to what you previously did and you have to go further to promote growth.

              supercompensation in this context means you are growing beyond what you started with.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks king 🙂

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Show progress pic or you are full of shit. You can cover your face.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the average person can gain about 1 oz of muscle per day. This is assuming a caloric surplus and optimal training regimen. You don't gain more muscle by hitting the gym more often, in fact you may gain less muscle because of fatigue.

      17 also makes you much more resilient and allows you to work out a lot because you can recover faster.

      You were likely also skinnyfat, not fat, which also makes building muscle much easier since all you have to do is eat more. It takes much more willpower and effort to eat less and maintain a caloric deficit while also trying to build muscle if you're fat. If you are skinny you are in a caloric surplus and building muscles.

      You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't understand the underlying physiology of what is happening.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lean
    >big
    >natty

    Pick two. He's pretty big for that time frame but not lean at all, probably 18-20% bf. Natty achievable.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ACHIEVABLE NATTY:
    >YOUR MOM IS A WHORE
    >BIG ASS
    >BIG TITS
    >COMPLETELY BLOWN OUT ASSHOLE AND VAGINA
    >HALLWAY GRIP
    >CONSTANT ANAL MASTURBATION

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The middle is but the photo on the right is Rich Piana (RIP GOD DAMN IT, RIGHT BABE?!) tier natty

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes?

    My delts look bigger than that if I stretch them back like in right pose. Nobody fucking lifts here.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The frauding pump gives you is insane, all of you would know this if you actually lifted.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never got a good pump in 18 years of lifting 🙁 I'm a smoker with shitty cardio though.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Miz did Camp Knut with Norwegian bodybuilder (and steroid user) Knut. Knut was coaching during this content along with his streamer friend wakewilder (pictured below).

    Miz and wakewilder are both notably on gear now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > upward angle
      > down lighting
      > pump
      > contrast manipulation
      > sharpening
      > tonemapping

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        his chest completely changes shape in the right pic, he's not angle and lighting frauding, it's literal steroid frauding.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would of believed he was natty if he didn't say he's been depressed for months and only eats chicken,broccoli and rice. What lazy peice of shit picks up lifting, continuously trains hard and follows a diet.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    picrel
    but even so those delts are looking a little juicy. Skin looks dry too

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought this guy was a midget, is he really 179 or is he lying again? Wasn't the bird girl a midget, he didn't seem much taller.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        he's like 5'7 for real

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I suspect he's shorter than his "official" height but idk as I don't watch him

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      179cm is 5’10.5. What sort of retard math is that website using?

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For a normal guy yes easily but for lazy streamer scum no, def steroids

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just look at his traps, fuck you can even see the acne on his shoulders. He might just be on sarms as a natty cope but I doubt he'll do a PCT so may as well done proper gear

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Puts on entirely lean mass
    >can literally see the pin marks on his delts
    >shoulder acne
    >spending time with multiple roiders
    >flipping out instantly over being called a roider
    ye I mean hes a streamer who also likely has a super shitty routine involving poor diet and sleep, the only way this could be "legit" is if hes smaller in the last pic then he his in the first but he clearly isnt and has clearly put on 10lbs of lean mass

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >nothing but traps and delts grew
    >delts hardly grow on natties
    Yeah I'm gonna say 95% chance of using PEDs, guy is just too stupid and lazy to grow anything except for delts and traps

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The guy is a typical adhd zoomer. There is no way he could go through with a proper training schedule, diet, sleep schedule etc.

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