Maybe for some mutant Black person deep in the Congo. But for normal people it isn't. What is it about modernity that makes you think you can do better than Frank Zane, when he is likely better than you in all the following attributes: intelligence, dedication, resilience, work ethic, talent?
Lol dude you're delusional if you think this body size is possible without gear. You can't be that shredded with lean muscle mass without some gear. Maybe if you had iike 0.0001% level genetics you could get close to that.
sure, just 4-5 years training natty and anyone can reach these placements.
1961 Mr. Pennsylvania (17th place)
1962 Mr. Keystone (Winner)
1963 Mr. Keystone (2nd)
1965 Mr. Sunshine State (Winner)
1965 IFBB Mr. Universe (1st, Medium Height category)
1966 IFBB Mr. America (1st, Medium)
1967 IFBB Mr. America (1st, Medium)
1967 IFBB Mr. Universe (3rd, Tall)
1968 IFBB Mr. America (Winner)
1968 IFBB Mr. Universe (Winner)
1970 NABBA Mr. Universe (Winner)
1971 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (1st, Short)
1972 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (Winner)
1972 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 4th)
1973 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, did not place)
1974 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 2nd)
1975 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 4th)
1976 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 2nd)
1977 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1978 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1979 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1980 IFBB Mr. Olympia (3rd, after suffering a near-fatal injury at his home, requiring lengthy hospitalization)
1981 IFBB Mr. Olympia – did not compete (boycotted the Mr Olympia contest after the controversial 1980 contest[citation needed])
1982 IFBB Mr. Olympia (2nd)
1983 IFBB Mr. Olympia (4th, after suffering another accident on his bicycle, requiring extensive shoulder surgery shortly after the contest)
How is it demoralization, it's just being realistic. You can't get that big without gear, I don't think that's demoralizing at all, it's an insane physique.
You know once he gets to 10% with some water retention as he gets off the diuretics his weight will be around 210-220 of pure muscle mass?
Your basically asking whether 18 inch contest shape arms are natty if you have thin wrists on a 5"9 frame, imagine his arms off season.
The reason he looks small is because he is extremely proportional. Like if his arms were smaller his shoulders would look bigger, or if his chest calves were smaller his legs would look thicker. He is extremely in proportion making everything flow together, but Irl he would mog anyone not only in aesthetics but also in size.
People don't seem to understand that. Zane was big.
Dyels have no idea how big 18 inch arms are on a 5'9 frame, while being under 10% bf. These same kids think their 16 inch fatceps are impressive, when they wear a t-shirt that's a size too small.
Nowadays their vision is warped because of all the influencers on social media, but if they actually went to a serious gym they would understand better.
Dyels have no idea how big 18 inch arms are on a 5'9 frame, while being under 10% bf. These same kids think their 16 inch fatceps are impressive, when they wear a t-shirt that's a size too small.
that doesn't prove anything as our understanding of proper nutrition and exercise, as well as the amount of people that have access to it, has vastly increased since the 30s
If you are 3 sigma away from average natural test levels, you literally have the test levels of a roider
>If you are 3 sigma away from average natural test levels, you literally have the test levels of a roider
You're fricking moronic. Nobody has ever had the test levels of a roider. Average man produces 50mg of test a week. Let's say you're some super freak and produce 150mg. That isn't shit compared to roiders. Baby's first cycle is 500mg test per week. That's 10x the production of the average man and over 3x a super freak. And again, that's baby doses. Big boy roiders are blasting over 2g of test alone.
3 sigma away from the mean is a slightly too high trt dose.
the commonly recommended beginner cycle is 3 times that, and 5 times the test level of an average male
compare zane in that second younger pic to that pic of oldtimey strongmen that is floating around
there is a reason zane mogs them all, and its roids
>that doesn't prove anything as our understanding of proper nutrition and exercise, as well as the amount of people that have access to it, has vastly increased since the 30s
Not really. Anything we know, the Greeks ca 500 BC also knew. In fact, you could argue their dietetics was even more detailed than ours.
>Funny how no one ever had a physique like that before test was synthesized in the 30's, innit?
These guys are from the late 1800s. What's your roid troony cope for that?
So an inch taller and significantly higher bodyfat. That proves Hackenschmidt was much smaller. Thanks anon.
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look how small arnold was...
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now THAT is a natty physique
and one belonging to some1 with mr.olympia tier genetics.
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It's a natty achievable physique. Though Arnold wasn't natty in that pic. He was 17 in that pic and he started roiding at 15.
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No, Arnold started roiding at around 18 when he exploded in size practically overnight.
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No. He just started using much heavier doses.
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No. Roids don't work like that. There are diminishing returns to increasing the dose.
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>yea bro if you're just doing 10mg dbol ed there won't be any big difference if you add 2g test and up the dbol to 50mg
You have no clue what you're talking about.
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No, you don't. Yes, increasing the dose will give you more results, but it's not linear. 2g of test won't give you 200% more gains compared to 1g.
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Quote me where I said it was linear. You're a moronic natty aren't you? Arnold started with baby doses of dbol only, like 10mg as I said. Then later used big.doses of injectables like test and primo with big dosed dbol. You will get wildly more result with a difference like that.
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That is a bad physique of Hackenschmidt, he's physique change throughout his career cuz of injury and shit. I mean in this
https://i.imgur.com/7x5tLej.jpg
>Funny how no one ever had a physique like that before test was synthesized in the 30's, innit?
These guys are from the late 1800s. What's your roid troony cope for that?
he had a 6 pack even when bending over while here
he had no abs
>Funny how no one ever had a physique like that before test was synthesized in the 30's, innit?
These guys are from the late 1800s. What's your roid troony cope for that?
Not even remotely possible. 5'9 190lbs at 5% bodyfat is about 40-50lbs of lean muscle mass over what you can naturally expect.
And I'm not trolling, any 5'9 manlet can diet down to 5% bodyfat and then tell me how much they weigh. You won't be an ounce over 150lbs. Plus you will look completely flat and deflated.
People are so bad at guesstimating. And I don't even get why people keep asking these arbitrary questions anyways. You wouldn't ask if it's possible to run 100m under 10 seconds without gear. I mean even if it would be trust me pal you are not that guy thats gonna do it. These physiques are achieved by the top 0,00000000000001%. You should be happy if you will ever reach physique that's pic related. Even that is extremely elite and 99,9% of people that step inside the gym will never look like that.
if your ffmi is 23 you are basically peak natty. I could see 24 as achievable however if you were insanely dedicated for a long time starting from a young age and you were younger than 30.
>You should be happy if you will ever reach physique that's pic related. Even that is extremely elite and 99,9% of people that step inside the gym will never look like that.
Bullshit, do you think freaking Sean Connery is in the 99.9 percentile cuz you pic is him
You can easily get to 190lb at 5'9" natty without becoming an obese pig but you're not going to be cut to gills like him. That's going to take some Winny.
>greatest physique of all time >nickname is "the chemist" >51" chest, 18" arms, 29" waist >26.5 FFMI at 6% bodyfat
Yeah sure bro, just try harder and take some creatine :^)
definitely. the struggle is getting body fat down to basically nothing not the building of muscle.
lol
Lol delusional newbies. good luck having 18 inch arms at 5'9, while being under 10% and dehydrated.
Maybe for some mutant Black person deep in the Congo. But for normal people it isn't. What is it about modernity that makes you think you can do better than Frank Zane, when he is likely better than you in all the following attributes: intelligence, dedication, resilience, work ethic, talent?
>what is it about modernity that makes you think you can do better than Frank Zane
His favorite instagram influencer put "natty" in his bio.
Definitely not.
Lol dude you're delusional if you think this body size is possible without gear. You can't be that shredded with lean muscle mass without some gear. Maybe if you had iike 0.0001% level genetics you could get close to that.
if you dedicate whole your life to lifting and with good genetics why not plus he is a manlet so it makes quite believable
lol, no.
it required gear for the extremely genetically gifter professional bodybuilder in your pic.
and he was a manlet, too.
This
You could have those measurements with higher bodyfat, but no natty could be that lean and hold that much mass
guys on ther sides were both natty
The best physique ever in the history of mankind by a guy called 'the chemist'.
>ye dur i could do that wot no gear
sure, just 4-5 years training natty and anyone can reach these placements.
1961 Mr. Pennsylvania (17th place)
1962 Mr. Keystone (Winner)
1963 Mr. Keystone (2nd)
1965 Mr. Sunshine State (Winner)
1965 IFBB Mr. Universe (1st, Medium Height category)
1966 IFBB Mr. America (1st, Medium)
1967 IFBB Mr. America (1st, Medium)
1967 IFBB Mr. Universe (3rd, Tall)
1968 IFBB Mr. America (Winner)
1968 IFBB Mr. Universe (Winner)
1970 NABBA Mr. Universe (Winner)
1971 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (1st, Short)
1972 NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (Winner)
1972 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 4th)
1973 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, did not place)
1974 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 2nd)
1975 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 4th)
1976 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs, 2nd)
1977 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1978 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1979 IFBB Mr. Olympia (Under 200 lbs & Overall Winner)
1980 IFBB Mr. Olympia (3rd, after suffering a near-fatal injury at his home, requiring lengthy hospitalization)
1981 IFBB Mr. Olympia – did not compete (boycotted the Mr Olympia contest after the controversial 1980 contest[citation needed])
1982 IFBB Mr. Olympia (2nd)
1983 IFBB Mr. Olympia (4th, after suffering another accident on his bicycle, requiring extensive shoulder surgery shortly after the contest)
Demoralization post, efficency of training and nutrition has improved a ton in the last fourty year, it is absolutely possible to reach that look
How is it demoralization, it's just being realistic. You can't get that big without gear, I don't think that's demoralizing at all, it's an insane physique.
>efficency of training and nutrition has improved a ton in the last fourty year
No.
You know once he gets to 10% with some water retention as he gets off the diuretics his weight will be around 210-220 of pure muscle mass?
Your basically asking whether 18 inch contest shape arms are natty if you have thin wrists on a 5"9 frame, imagine his arms off season.
The reason he looks small is because he is extremely proportional. Like if his arms were smaller his shoulders would look bigger, or if his chest calves were smaller his legs would look thicker. He is extremely in proportion making everything flow together, but Irl he would mog anyone not only in aesthetics but also in size.
People don't seem to understand that. Zane was big.
Dyels have no idea how big 18 inch arms are on a 5'9 frame, while being under 10% bf. These same kids think their 16 inch fatceps are impressive, when they wear a t-shirt that's a size too small.
You get it.
Nowadays their vision is warped because of all the influencers on social media, but if they actually went to a serious gym they would understand better.
Forgot my pic.
this is him, before roids
>before roids
lol, no.
maybe only a couple of light cycles
but that's not natty.
it's possible natty. Not for you, me, or the biggest guy in your gym
but for the absolute top of human genetics it's definitely possible
He's not even that lean in the pic, I would estimate around 12% bodyfat
Funny how no one ever had a physique like that before test was synthesized in the 30's, innit?
that doesn't prove anything as our understanding of proper nutrition and exercise, as well as the amount of people that have access to it, has vastly increased since the 30s
If you are 3 sigma away from average natural test levels, you literally have the test levels of a roider
Keep coping with your average genetics
>If you are 3 sigma away from average natural test levels, you literally have the test levels of a roider
You're fricking moronic. Nobody has ever had the test levels of a roider. Average man produces 50mg of test a week. Let's say you're some super freak and produce 150mg. That isn't shit compared to roiders. Baby's first cycle is 500mg test per week. That's 10x the production of the average man and over 3x a super freak. And again, that's baby doses. Big boy roiders are blasting over 2g of test alone.
You natties are so fricking moronic.
3 sigma away from the mean is a slightly too high trt dose.
the commonly recommended beginner cycle is 3 times that, and 5 times the test level of an average male
compare zane in that second younger pic to that pic of oldtimey strongmen that is floating around
there is a reason zane mogs them all, and its roids
>that doesn't prove anything as our understanding of proper nutrition and exercise, as well as the amount of people that have access to it, has vastly increased since the 30s
Not really. Anything we know, the Greeks ca 500 BC also knew. In fact, you could argue their dietetics was even more detailed than ours.
>Funny how no one ever had a physique like that before test was synthesized in the 30's, innit?
These guys are from the late 1800s. What's your roid troony cope for that?
>These guys
only see one
zane in the second pic is MUCH bigger than the guy in your pic
look at the difference in chest mass and roundness
Hackenschmidt wasn't nearly as big.
Right he was bigger. 210 lbs at 5'10"
So an inch taller and significantly higher bodyfat. That proves Hackenschmidt was much smaller. Thanks anon.
look how small arnold was...
now THAT is a natty physique
and one belonging to some1 with mr.olympia tier genetics.
It's a natty achievable physique. Though Arnold wasn't natty in that pic. He was 17 in that pic and he started roiding at 15.
No, Arnold started roiding at around 18 when he exploded in size practically overnight.
No. He just started using much heavier doses.
No. Roids don't work like that. There are diminishing returns to increasing the dose.
>yea bro if you're just doing 10mg dbol ed there won't be any big difference if you add 2g test and up the dbol to 50mg
You have no clue what you're talking about.
No, you don't. Yes, increasing the dose will give you more results, but it's not linear. 2g of test won't give you 200% more gains compared to 1g.
Quote me where I said it was linear. You're a moronic natty aren't you? Arnold started with baby doses of dbol only, like 10mg as I said. Then later used big.doses of injectables like test and primo with big dosed dbol. You will get wildly more result with a difference like that.
That is a bad physique of Hackenschmidt, he's physique change throughout his career cuz of injury and shit. I mean in this
he had a 6 pack even when bending over while here
he had no abs
He's still nowhere near Zane.
That's a good pic, but he's not as big as Frank was.
see pic related
He was heavier, but not as muscular.
People also trained like shit
Here is the true natty limit. Everything above can only be achieved with roids
Not even remotely possible. 5'9 190lbs at 5% bodyfat is about 40-50lbs of lean muscle mass over what you can naturally expect.
And I'm not trolling, any 5'9 manlet can diet down to 5% bodyfat and then tell me how much they weigh. You won't be an ounce over 150lbs. Plus you will look completely flat and deflated.
People are so bad at guesstimating. And I don't even get why people keep asking these arbitrary questions anyways. You wouldn't ask if it's possible to run 100m under 10 seconds without gear. I mean even if it would be trust me pal you are not that guy thats gonna do it. These physiques are achieved by the top 0,00000000000001%. You should be happy if you will ever reach physique that's pic related. Even that is extremely elite and 99,9% of people that step inside the gym will never look like that.
I kind of achieved this look, god is this natty peak?
The most demoralizing thing I saw today
Yes. And it's only demoralizing because you got used to seeing roided out Instagram guys.
if your ffmi is 23 you are basically peak natty. I could see 24 as achievable however if you were insanely dedicated for a long time starting from a young age and you were younger than 30.
Sean connery is literally greek statue tier. Are you moronic?
Greek statues are dyel twinks nowadays, don't you know?
There are many different statues with many different physiques
Most of them refer to a vitruvian physique though.
>vitruvian physique
has nothing to do with muscle size
>5% bodyfat
zane wasn't 5%, 8-9% tops
>You should be happy if you will ever reach physique that's pic related. Even that is extremely elite and 99,9% of people that step inside the gym will never look like that.
Bullshit, do you think freaking Sean Connery is in the 99.9 percentile cuz you pic is him
He looks great. Though he's like 5'4" 140lbs.
You can easily get to 190lb at 5'9" natty without becoming an obese pig but you're not going to be cut to gills like him. That's going to take some Winny.
Yeah bro. Just some winny. You fricking moron.
Yeah, you take the fat burning steroid to get cut. Fricking moron. Do you think 18" arms are impossible too you dipshit?
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Okay 5/3/1 reddit dyel. You know Zane was famous for NOT having riduclous mass and instead focusing on aesthetics, right?
If you think 18" arms are impossible then you need to just stop talking about bodybuilding.
Yeah, you'll be looking like Zane any day now.
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18" contest shape, don't even bother off season.
They didn't use winny back in his day lmao. This is a dbol and deca physique.
just a reminder his nickname is "The Chemist"
>greatest physique of all time
>nickname is "the chemist"
>51" chest, 18" arms, 29" waist
>26.5 FFMI at 6% bodyfat
Yeah sure bro, just try harder and take some creatine :^)
FFMI of 26. So maybe but probably not