just cannot rise to the standards girls have nowadays

I have been lifting weights for ~3 years now, been getting a valuable education (computer science), take care of my appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut and all this stuff, been trying to cultivate my personality by reading books or other hobbies like gardening, hiking or cooking and yet I realised that I will never be good enough for a girl out there. You know why? Because I am not tall and handsome enough. It's demoralizing and I don't know what to do anymore.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What standards? the standards you read about online?
    You never interact with women

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just work on being taller and having a bigger jaw bro 🙂

      do you mean a girl won't pick you out of an onlien catalog, or that a girl wouldn't like you upon meeting in person?

      simp city

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh no it's that fool with the smileys again.

        Noone likes you. You have gotten nowhere in life and are the last person anyone should ever listen to.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      this.
      This man is terminally online

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is tons of objective data on the incel wiki about how insane girls' standards are nowadays. Going outside will only skew your perception because the brain is full of cognitive biases.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          4/10 bait

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >objective data
          how long will you keep listening to SOCIAL advice from the internet?
          can you really not ask for that kind of advice from people in real life?

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    do you mean a girl won't pick you out of an onlien catalog, or that a girl wouldn't like you upon meeting in person?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >try to talk to a girl in real life
      >"Hi"
      >"Ew, go away you ugly creep"
      Never stood a chance.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        did this actually happen or is it just a prediction of how they'll feel?

        in either case women are supposed to be picky, if 10% of the girls you talk to take a shine to you that's a good ratio

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fucking kek. Imagine being ugly. I could never. But for real, being attractive only gets you so far. Social skills is the real key. I grew up with a communication disability and it's not so bad now but still there, but I got viciously bullied for it and never fully socially developed like everyone else. You know what is worse than just straight up being rejected by women? Having women come up to you, be flirty with you and you not having the capability to do anything. It's like instead of being stuck to the ocean floor you can swim all the way to the surface but you're stuck under a layer of ice. In some sense I would rather just have no hope at all than be tortured like this.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know what you mean, for the longest time I've missed out cause I was horrible at reading women's God forsaken signals but I'm better now....I think, well at least I'm not completely oblivious to someone being interested in me anymore

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dude lives inside internet

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't tell if it's the same STEMcel gay posting all these threads or if there's just a ton of whiny STEMcels on this board.

    Either shut up and improve yourself or fully embrace your status as a technoslave. At this point neither is gonna get you a woman.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's always the same dude, he must be desperate

      https://i.imgur.com/8E1vmpu.png

      I have been lifting weights for ~3 years now, been getting a valuable education (computer science), take care of my appearance with skin-care, grooming, haircut and all this stuff, been trying to cultivate my personality by reading books or other hobbies like gardening, hiking or cooking and yet I realised that I will never be good enough for a girl out there. You know why? Because I am not tall and handsome enough. It's demoralizing and I don't know what to do anymore.

      OP just don't be an autist. It's this easy. Forget about lifting, reading, facemaxing and all that stuff. Especially if youre doing them just for getting women attention. Just don't be an autist. It's a valuable thing, do it for yourself, you'll have a better life. Women will come, I promise

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Women will come, I promise
        Why aren't they coming then?

        They don't care about your education, hobbies, and fruity cosmetic routine. They are attracted to masculine appearance and behavior. No more, no less.

        Yeah, that's what I am trying to say. It's all about being tall, having a Chad face, wide clavicles, big dick, good jaw etc. Everything else is useless. What girl cares about gardening? They care about it if a male model millionaire does it.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and behavior
          Check this out. Bitching ain't masculine.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, better give up then
    NEXT

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck you demoralising peace of shit. It is easy to get woman. Why? Because they are human. They themselves are not perfect and they don't search the perfect guy. They just want to spend a good and fun time.

    So either you are not fun or somehow you want people here to stop improving their lives.

    t. Rather fat and short Hispanic who has a very nice attractive white girlfriend and has always at least one girl in his life who shows interest.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This guy gets it. OP needs to actually talk to a woman for any of this shit to matter.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely no fucking way. You're fucking a 6/10 at best and if we saw pics of them we would laugh at you. Best case scenario is she is incredibly sheltered or autistic

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Who needs to rate woman with numbers? Just choose the ones who are fun. And yes. Some woman were meh and fat. Others where very attracitve. But they were all great people and fun to fuck. And if you laugh about a guy because of his girl you probabely dont get pussy at all.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just get to the point and call me a Chud already. I'm glad he found a girl but if he's gonna flex I'm either gonna need to see pics or will trust my actual social experiences and say he is lying on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum.
          >u-u don't get puccci!!
          lol. lmao even.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are essentially a war criminal

        https://i.imgur.com/ezBmkfa.jpg

        Just get to the point and call me a Chud already. I'm glad he found a girl but if he's gonna flex I'm either gonna need to see pics or will trust my actual social experiences and say he is lying on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum.
        >u-u don't get puccci!!
        lol. lmao even.

        Chuds

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          But y tho?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if we saw pics of them we would laugh at you.
        >we
        Don't act as if we were on the same team, gay, also
        >I can't live up to girl's standards because I'm not a +8/10 and rich waaahhhh
        >you don't need that, I look like this and I still get girls by not being a gay
        >I-I bet they're ugly
        OP's complaining about girls in general, and someone is saying that his problems are only in his head, he never said that he gets to sleep with models or something like that.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are essentially a war criminal

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're doing good bro

      Absolutely no fucking way. You're fucking a 6/10 at best and if we saw pics of them we would laugh at you. Best case scenario is she is incredibly sheltered or autistic

      You are essentially a war criminal

      Shattered your world view

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fuck. I don't think i've ever seen a fatty that was this based.
      Fuck all you demoralization morons

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ottermode and Nordic, great hairline
      >No action whatsoever
      Why couldn't I be born as a fat Mexican, bros? Life isn't fair.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You look like a sephardi garden gnome. That’s a big step down from being a lowly beaner.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      jesus christ if she dates a swarthy fatass like that she must be mentally ill and low value

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't care about your education, hobbies, and fruity cosmetic routine. They are attracted to masculine appearance and behavior. No more, no less.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    yall are stupid. girls dont even care about lifting or looks. if youre not funny youre done for. My wife and I have been together almost 5 years now. Sure I'm fit, but its who I am that makes her and other women attracted to me. If youre self conscious, people can tell. Thats the biggest turn off

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      How tall and attractive are you though?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 6'0, 165, and aryan

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bro i'm 5'7, literaly a manlet, if i can have a gf, i'm sure You can, stop being a gay

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            ah nah I'm

            yall are stupid. girls dont even care about lifting or looks. if youre not funny youre done for. My wife and I have been together almost 5 years now. Sure I'm fit, but its who I am that makes her and other women attracted to me. If youre self conscious, people can tell. Thats the biggest turn off

            this guy, I have a cute happa wife. I already made it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if youre not funny youre done for.
      I am, but not for complete strangers
      I met a girl years ago (closest i ever got to a gf) and made her laugh a lot (as in doubled over laughing) but when she met me that wasn't the case and i'm sure my first impression on her was emotionless robot because I am not open with people whatsoever initially.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you even once talked to a woman? I don't just mean make small talk or say "Hi", I mean actually speak to a woman in person.
    Garbage thread, saged, go back to /LULZ/ please for the love of God.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yall

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    you will never get a girl because none of your hobbies involve interaction with other human beings so girls don't even know you exist. Dating girls is not rocket science, the first step is getting to know some girls which you have to do by living a life which includes regular socialization with other human beings. Failure to achieve step one is why none of you nerds get laid.

    All this fixation on how women only like handsome rich chads is a pathetic cope for people too weak willed to admit they're just pussies who are afraid of rejection.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >studied computer science
      >now work in tech
      >every guy I ever got to know didn't have female friends
      Is being an incel my destiny?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Studied engineering and science
        >Blew my chance with every girl I knew from high school
        >Don't know any women in my field with a BMI less than 30 or who's not completely neurotic
        Fuck I should have studied law

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >thinks he can only meet women in class
          touch grass unironically

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually tell me where else I can meet women. I do my postgrad studies at uni 9-5 5 days a week. I work out at home (I am not going to change this). I live alone so I need to cook, clean etc. What can I do, besides going to a club, to meet women? I have nothing on the weekends now that I have moved to a new area.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Actually tell me where else I can meet women
              Do you need your mommy to hald your hand when you go to the bathroom too?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm genuinely asking. Assume I'm retarded. What can I do to meet women outside of my work / study?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're in school, join a club. This should be obvious

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              If you're a grad student like me then you're at a university somewhere. There are student clubs and associations at universities. Join the tennis club or some other club that has women. Fuck you could join the gaming club and there'd still be at least some women whose friends you could meet even if they're fat and greasy. Get on Hinge, spend 20min googling how to make a profile, and get going.
              Do you seriously think your situation is so desperate that you will never find GF? Assuming you're not completely obese and autistic you should be able to go on a date or two by this time next week.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I am not obese. I unironically look like fight club Brad Pitt. However, I am likely autistic.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post body with timestamp. Everything else is cope.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, I'm autistic and fat. Unironically join a sports club and go to the games and go to the socials. Don't say anything racist or misogynistic, just drink a little and try to have fun. You get better at talking to women the more you do it. They will see that you're in shape and play sports, hear that you're smart because you're a grad student, and at least be somewhat interested in you. Doesn't even need to be tennis, could be running, ultimate frisbee, biking, skiing, etc. Lots of women are getting into rugby and biking rn.
                Also the Hinge thing works you just need a decently thought out profile that doesn't make you sound like a serial killer for gf-material. For flings you can do Bumble or Tinder and if you're as fit as you say you are you'll get pussy.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Universities in Germany do not have clubs or associations. There is a IT security hackathon team here and a game development team but they are all-male. That's it. No bookclub, language club, theatre club, no girls whatsoever. These things do not exist here (maybe that's why education is free after all).

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well does Germany have any social interaction whatsoever? My advice is tailored to the American market and woman. I'd look for local clubs or just ask one of your male friends how to meet women idk.
                I'm so autistic that by 23 I was still a virgin and I had my bros handhold me through the whole process.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bullshit, if they're not in school they're elsewhere. Humans by nature congregate in groups, even g*rmans. Go to your public library and look for book clubs, I've met some of the nicest women there

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                In my town (320K) there is not a single book club, trust me, I have scanned the whole area as well as Internet.
                I would need to create my own but no idea how and how to get members in my age range.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Advertise inside your local library, don't limit members to your specific age range if you really are gonna start the only book club in your town of 320,000 people. Once it grows you'll get more people within your age range.
                As for setting it up that would be specific to your own library, in mine the book club meets once a week in a conference room within the library and we spend 1/3rd of the time there actually talking about whatever book we read that week and the rest is socializing. Bring snacks (and list free snacks in the advertising poster you nake) look for examples of book clubs online, you don't have to be unique, just consistent. Talk to anyone that shows interest in it. You come across really judgmental if you really have no female friends in a town of 320,000 people so don't turn away people because they're men or ugly women

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Universities in Germany have plenty of clubs, associations and parties.
                Maybe you shouldn't study at super autistic meme incel elite unis like the KIT or the RWTH Aachen.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Universities in Germany have plenty of clubs, associations and parties.
                NTA and not from Germany, but aren't most of these things in Europe absolutely soulless certificate hunting and nothing else?

                All the uni student "conferences", these student associations especially, just a bunch of grinning soulless fuckers doing fuck all but trying to gain some upper hand in terms of professors and making their CV look as bloated as possible.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your focus as a student is of course getting a piece of paper. You'll usually also work in the industry on the side to gain valuable experience to get a job later on.
                Getting attention from professors only becomes important if you're enrolled as a graduate student and wish to start your PhD after getting your masters.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You're still in college dude, go to one of the clubs or find some event on campus, or even try talking to some girl in class. If all else fails try Tinder, its the best time to take advantage of that because once you graduate the opportunities are less and the Tinder whores get even more selective (standards don't start lowering again until late 30s when theyre really desperate for kids, but mid 20s-late 30s theyre pickiest). Once college ends it gets a LOT harder, especially because women will usually stick with their already established friend groups

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon I don't have the same experiences as you but any man who has too many female friends is a major red flag, I'm not talking about having female """""friends""""" for pre-selection and getting laid I'm talking about men who treat women like actual friends. A redflag doesn't mean it's an automatic disqualification but men who have too many female friends don't understand the value of brotherhood and those usually don't turn out to be good friends. Anyway practice your social skills and get laid anon, it's sad to be getting a paycheck but you're a KHV like bro cmon.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have tons of female friends and a handful of male friends. My oldest and closest friends are from elementary school and I am 35 so I know them for over 25 years.
          I also havea gf and we met when I was 22. She is an other one of my best friends.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you trying to please all women? You only need one of them.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vibes are everything

    It doesn't matter how many hobbies you collect, books you read, how often you go to the gym, etc. if you're a stiff, boring, uptight autist. Unless you're so handsome that it doesn't matter what you do, you can still bottle it with all but the most desperate women by being an awkward, charmless loser.

    Funnily enough, spending more than an hour a week here is a great way to end up like that.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Funnily enough, spending more than an hour a week here is a great way to end up like that.
      Do you think quitting IST completely and meditating instead could improve my rotten personality a bit?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think quitting IST completely and meditating instead could improve my rotten personality a bit?
        I think going outside and talking to people could improve your rotten personality, but hey, maybe meditation (i.e. sitting on your ass for hours just like on IST) will help 🙂
        kys

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You know why?
    because your "hobbies" are all autistic loner shit
    you have to actually talk to girls to meet girls
    join a community garden, join your local outdoors/hiking club, go to local cooking classes
    posting bait on IST isn't going to help

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are fat, ugly, short people out there in relationships. The pajeet you make fun of has a pajeeta gf. The söyboy waving his switch around has a fat gf. The coping manlet has a gf.
    Maybe the problem is you

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just date people way less attractive than you bro! Just be a walking jester
      pass!

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >incel complains about women not wanting to date him because he's unattractive
        >refuses to date unattractive women
        Sad, many such cases.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well the problem with talking to unattractive women is now some retarded dudebros come to say to you stuff like "Pathetic" drunk and walk away. You can´t hit them because they win money at court, so only option is really to leave the place and go somewhere else.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Take your meds

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              That´s nice way to start a convo if you wanna die, incel

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                meds, take them

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who hurt you? Did your mommy give you permission to stay up this late?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Take them medicines

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Last time I checked they don´t allow retards in the medical school, that´s why you play doctor on some incel imageboard. Eat shit. You will never have a real job.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Take your medicine

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          you think unattractive women are interested in unattractive men?

          these days even 2/10 barely human obese female hamplanets have the luxury of choosing and they barely even go for average men, let alone below average

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you think unattractive women are interested in unattractive men?
            Who cares what they're interested in?
            Take it from an attractive guy: we don't want them and we don't need them. So it's your time to shine you ugly gay. Go fuck the ugly fat chick you deserve or just go kys, either way I won't have to read any more of your pathetic incel/beta bitching.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Take it from an attractive guy: we don't want them and we don't need them
              you don't want them, but plenty of other above average guys do. in fact there are entire apps for such fat fetishists, you can even see the le architect memes on this site often as well. and these hamplanets know that very well, so why would they ever go for someone average of God forbid below average?

              below average guys get NOTHING

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You said yourself: the key word here is FETISH. Most guys aren't down to climb a mountain like that no matter what they look like, and the architect memes I think (hope) are mostly bants and shitposting. But let's be honest here, you don't really want a landwhale like that anyway so why are you even concerned if 1% of them can land some depraved gay with a fat fetish? Are you really losing out on anything here?
                >below average guys get NOTHING
                Well there you go, so the obvious answer then is for you to STOP being below average, and at the very least stop acting like you're below average and grovelling for attention from disgusting fat chicks. Have some pride in yourself and start going after what you want. You're not gonna get Stacy or some hot insta/fitness model, but that doesn't mean you can't get better than that behemoth if you actually get your shit together, stop being such a pathetic gay and actually TRY.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >STOP being below average
                yeah bro just become taller and transplant hair bro

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but are YOU actually short and bald? Funny how many short bald guys "just happen" to post here isn't it? Totally organic, I'm sure.
                In any case, height and hair are not the only things that determine attraction now are they?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I also have a small dick yes

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which no woman has ever seen, so what's your point? It's obviously not the reason you've never got a woman.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                She has seen me being 5'6, small jaw and balding, not even thinking about my dick

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                So why even bring up your small dick at all then? That's my point you fucking retard, have sex.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So why even bring up your small dick at all then?
                just one more funny thing to add about me

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Dating website statistics = Reality
            Lol
            I'm a 3/10 and have bagged 8/10s regularly because I don't use dating websites. When I did use dating websites, I got no matches.
            Dating websites are nothing but ego boosters for women and desperation acts for men.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm a 3/10 and have bagged 8/10s regularly
              You're not a 3/10, stop lying to these virgins

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Homosexual

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop making getting pussy your goal. Yes, I know it can feel shitty and lonely when you're
    >tfwnogf
    but realize that a big part of what contributes to that sense of loneliness and incompleteness is years of intense brainwashing telling you that as a man your ultimate purpose is to be the provider for whichever roastie happens to be ready to settle down.

    The social contract has changed. Your odds of ending up in a traditional marriage with a loving, feminine, virgin are basically zero. Marriage today is basically a social welfare system designed to transfer wealth from men to women. Don't participate in this rigged bullshit. Focus on developing your own life for your own sake, and if you get horny just hookup with some fat chick online or pay for an escort. Most women are going to be a drag on your life and aren't worth the effort to keep around.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You may need to look into hooking up with a foreign girl. Sometimes you need to resort to that. Hell even Trump had to do it, so it's not that bad at the end of the day

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of "cultivating your personality" why don't you git gud at socializing by going out and socializing more?
    You fucking dipshit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >going out
      To where?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >go humiliate yourself publicly until a washed up post wall roastie opts to date you
      Why do people think this is good advice?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a good advice if you're not a fat sperg who hates every aspect of his life

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doing nothing will surely be more fruitful

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bro just shut the fuck up and APPLY YOURSELF. There is nothing in this fucking world that you can pick up and automatically be good at. Even lifting weights you looked like a fool at first. Just try you fucking have to try

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          You know what I´m fine with this chuds not getting women. Fuck these angry assholes and their medical advice, no wonder women hate you. I´ve been here less than minute and already am starting to get annoyed.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because you're a self-loathing gay who just has that aura of sadness and insecurity, you do stuff for other people and not for yourself and everyone can notice it

    Stop being a moron, find things you actually enjoy and develop even a hint of actual personality and then you might not be obnoxious to be around

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop chasing them. Go on dates, be upfront about what you're looking for, and have a good time aside from that. I know it's easier said than done, but stop worrying about pleasing women and worry about living a life in ascension.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Go on dates
      How do I even score a date?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Apps are a numbers game but still worth your time, but mostly be social when you're in public and approach people. I met my current soon to be wife because I talked to a lady sitting next to her about hiking.

        Another good thing to keep in mind is that there's just as many low value men and low value women out there, despite incel rhetoric. Women are craving a decent person after getting ran through the mud by losers. Be high value. If women are approaching you for small things ("do you know where X is?" Type smalltalk) you are an attractive male and should start being more outgoing.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Women are craving a decent person
          the decent person:
          >6ft+
          >handsome face
          >millionaire
          >big dick
          >perfect physique

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    post physique/face now. I bet you
    >Have a terrible physique despite lifting for 3 years
    >Boring ass haircut
    >Generic looking doughy face
    >Glasses
    >Balding
    >Have the personality of wallpaper
    >Hobbies are GARDENING and COOKING

    You have not undergone the individuation necessary to attract women, you are, I am afraid, boring as fuck

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >girl i like has hobbies of gardening and cooking
      Whats your problem man

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      1 and 3 seem redundant, 5 is out of your control you might as well say short, 6 you can't judge from a pic and 7 who the fuck cares

      >individuation
      >get a trendy haircut and wear contacts lmao
      you're a joke

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      men with all of these traits get laid regularly. i seriously don't understand this board's obsession with pretending women are these unattainable creatures reserved for only the very cream of the crop of humanity. if you run into new people regularly, some subset of them will be single women, and some subset of those will be interested in you and vice versa. it's not complicated, just socialize as much as you can, in whatever setting you manage to force yourself to do it in

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if you run into new people regularly, some subset of them will be single women
        I haven't met a girl my age in almost 4 years.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is it because you don't go outside? How old are you, 93?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am 22 and I study computer science.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Then go outside homo, I am a near-total recluse, because I have a physical disability. I went outside on Friday evening, ended up two social circles away from the friend I started with, because I actually fucking TALK TO PEOPLE. Some fat bitch hit on me and I told her to leave. Literally anyone can do what you think is impossible. Not only is it possible, it's easy if you actually FUCKING DO IT

              t. I'm 20

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >from the friend I started with
                I have zero friends and been alone for the past 4 years.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                1. It's an old friend from school I happened to reconnect with, we aren't close.
                2. You can also just go places alone, sure you might say "But I'll have to cope, seethe, and dilate!" and the first few times, you might (maybe you won't). It will work.
                My main point is: You're a gay today, but you don't have to be a gay by this time tomorrow, let alone forever.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i'm a loser with nothing going from me, I am basically starting from step 0
                >hey IST why can't I make step 8 work for me? Women are so evil :~~*(
                Fuck off to LULZ

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I am 22 and I study computer science.

          >from the friend I started with
          I have zero friends and been alone for the past 4 years.

          These are actively your choices and consequences of your own decisions. you’re not getting advice

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      bizarre haircut and watching Netflix top 5 shows is enough to captivate 19 year old teenagers but you want more than that right. Fuck what they want.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I cannot stress enough how much of an indicator being approached for minor things by women of all ages is. Women do NOT go out of their way to talk to unattractive men. Period. If you are not being approached, you are either unattractive or you're not going out enough.

    Cooking is not a "hobby" that a man should undertake.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >just cannot rise to the standards girls have nowadays
    Dude, fuck their standards. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can't meet their "standards." Work on your confidence, practice talking to women, no matter how simple the discussion is...then ignore them and start talking shit.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Demoralization posters deserve the rope, how do you people even function outside?

    >NOOOO I CANT GO OUTSIDE TO THE GROCERY STORE ILL GET HEIGHT MOGGED BY THE CASHIER
    >NOOOO I CANT GO OUT WOTH FRIENDS AND HAVE A BURGER, ALL THAT ONION/PUFA WILL LOWER MY TEST
    >NOOOO I CANT GO TO THE SWIMMING POOL, ILL CONTRIBUTE THE FALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

    >Yes I must stay at home, doom scrolling on IST
    >Yes taking a cold shower will make me disciplined despite me spending the rest of the day on my computer
    >Yes get my self worth from lookism gays who I don’t know/or will ever know

    You are all mentally ill, get help.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      None of these things are even remotely close to what OP and anons like him are trying to say. You need to go back and stay there.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Here's my money gnomish doctor now give me T lowering drugs
      Nice try schlomo

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here, let me book you that plane ticket for guaranteed Asian pussy...

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am 28 years old and I never even kissed a girl

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >from the friend I started with
      I have zero friends and been alone for the past 4 years.

      why not buy a prostitute at this point?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If prostitutes are my only option I'd honestly rather die a kissless virgin

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The impossible standards of actually talking to them?

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same post different day.

    Never talks about being valuable to your friends. Are you invited to hang out with guy friends? Do other men care if you exist? You have to be able to talk the talk with other men and earn their trust before you graduate to women. Social validation with men gives you a level of confidence that trumps most of the little beta cheat codes. To be a bro you need brothers. If you’re a lost soul women will see right through your little beta tricks.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Never talks about being valuable to your friends
      I have no friends.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Are you invited to hang out with guy friends?
      Yes
      >Do other men care if you exist?
      Yes.

      Never even kissed

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do your guy friends ever go as group to places where groups of women are? This is where social sorting takes place. You barely have to make any moves because nature takes over.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Do your guy friends ever go as group to places where groups of women are?
          Yes.
          >This is where social sorting takes place
          What does this mean?
          >You barely have to make any moves because nature takes over.
          Well nature has turned me into a near 30 year old kissless virgin I guess

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm in my 30s and this is my biggest problem with meeting women. My friends are all married by now so anytime they want to hang out, it's at their house with only a handful of other men. Years ago, I tried going to bars alone a couple times, but it was very awkward and uncomfortable. And haven't been able to meet anyone on a dating app after 7 years of sporadically trying, so I'm close to giving up any hope of meeting a decent woman.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Change your routine of where and how you meet people. People are like clockwork, you show up at office you end up looking at screens, drinking coffee and gossipping about peers.
            Why this matters? Environment makes the set & setting - and if you keep playing the same setting, such as isolating yourself with people who don´t introduce to girls, you need to network with more people and find out where they spend time, then get involved on weekly basis.
            If they knew you´d like to meet girls and still just make it a guys night, ask if they know any single women who might wanna come join next time, or something. Whatever you did, does not work, so try anything else.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I thought the thumbnail was a guy doing dips on crude Paint picture of a garden gnome.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      so now you wanna gatekeep OP from the hot girls by saying just be one of the bros dude, so that you can gossip about how shit he is behind his back to the girls before he makes moves and secure yourself some bitches.

      You´re not bros. You were never the bros. You´re simp orbiters gatekeeping thots as power play.

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How to socialskillsmaxx? I try to talk to people but I don’t know what to say

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get to a low bodyfat, and then talk to more women.

    If you actually lift heavy, have a low bodyfat, do skincare, and dress well, it should be like fishing with dynamite.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you actually lift heavy, have a low bodyfat, do skincare, and dress well, it should be like fishing with dynamite.
      None of that matters if you're also 5'4

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are ugly, fat, short guys in relationships though

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's a 6/10 in bongland.

  30. 3 months ago
    SAGE

    >(computer science)
    You again. FUCK OFF

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    No the question is do girls rise to your standards these days?

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because you are faking it

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a gay

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    you fucking retard, telling a girl you're into computer science is the fastest way to dry up their vagina, she probablly thinks you're a NEET, an incel, or lying.
    Also this isn't fitness related jannies come clean this shit up for FREE

  35. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go outside, real life is nothing like the internet

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      internet is real life these days sadly

  36. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    A woman’s standards are ridiculously low these days. It’s literally just
    >have job that you can support yourself on with no assistance
    >have car newer than 2010 (even then, A car at all that runs)
    >have own place/be not living with parents (this doesn’t even apply as of recently)

    That’s the bare minimum. So many men don’t have that. Making a lot of money/decent money and being fit are just cherries on top. The standards are pathetic the younger you go

    >18-21
    Be fit, in school, or working, have okayish personality by that I mean don’t be a turbo sperg
    >21-26
    Either be in school and working, or working, either way just be working towards your future, be not obese
    >26-35+
    Women COULD hav e higher standards at these ages because they have lived adulthood for a while, met various people, gained some wisdom, however they know their looks are aging and the majority cannot make such demands of a man so it’s the bare minimum I mentioned at the top.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>have job that you can support yourself on with no assistance
      >>have car newer than 2010 (even then, A car at all that runs)
      >>have own place/be not living with parents (this doesn’t even apply as of recently)
      I have all three.

      Never even kissed.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Big deal. Have you ever asked a woman out or even talked to one? Better yet, do you even have one friend?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Have you ever asked a woman out or even talked to one?
          Yes, of course.
          >Better yet, do you even have one friend?
          More than a few.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have no driver' license at 35 and I have 2 girlfriends (yes, at the same time, yes, they know about each other but they've never met).
      Iam also severly disabled (missing a hand on my left arm).

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Got 200k
      >got my car
      >got my home with 2 more free room that I don’t use
      Have a degree, 2/3/3.5/4.5. Read, make music as a hobby

      Still 26 khhv. Life is a scam and i wish to destroy reality

  37. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shut the fuck up, Austrian ginger. In German speaking countries being a CS student is worthless due to 70% dropout rates. Only graduates are worth shit in life and the job market.

    t. CS graduate from a top 150 German uni who is also 184cm and becoming more handsome with each passing day

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      As a fellow european it amuses me the kind of reverence people here give computer science. Computer science is a shit and way oversaturated "career" that is part of a bubble that will soon pop hard. Engineers and researchers can increasingly do their own programming now, no need for a cs student who doesn't know shit about the subject to come in and do programming for them. I don't know why cs students think they'll always be in demand, I don't know why they larp about $200k jobs in cs here.

      Computer "science" is not "science" at all, it's programming, who the fuck are you kidding calling it science. You like the idea so much you then try calling it software "engineering", give me a break, it's not science or engineering, it's programming. Programming is just a technical skill and no programming job is worth $200k, even if some are paid that amount it's a bubble that will soon pop.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Computer science is a shit and way oversaturated "career" that is part of a bubble that will soon pop hard.
        I don't think so. Even in the US (where degrees are handed out like ice cream) the job market for IT is still growing and salaries are becoming higher despite outsourcing. In countries where English isn't the native language, CS graduates barely have any competition.
        >Engineers and researchers can increasingly do their own programming now
        They are usually shit programmers and program machines and chips. Programming and especially IT in general is far more than that.
        > I don't know why they larp about $200k jobs in cs here.
        I think those ranges are mostly true in CA where the rent is expensive as fuck. In Germany the salaries cap out around 70-100k.
        >Computer "science" is not "science" at all
        It's usually 20-30% math so yes, it is a real science.
        >Programming is just a technical skill and no programming job is worth $200k
        The industry seems to think otherwise since wages are still rising.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based.
        t. physics grad who now mostly does programming for work

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          So instead of discovering the mysteries of this universe you've been downgraded to an inferior programmer kek

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Discovering the mysteries of the universe doesn’t pay as much as programming simulation tools for engineers—something that a pure cs grad will never be able to do

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              So you're not actually doing programming.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I am. Do you not read or is what I’m saying beyond your comprehension level?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Computer "science" is not "science" at all, it's programming
        you dont get tought programming doing a cs major in germany. you do theory and math, which is a science. its specific mathematical models. most of the retards then going into software development has nothing to do with the cs major but with them being low lifes

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you dont get tought programming doing a cs major in germany.
          Any good uni will still have 30-40 ECTS in programming or programming related courses (the most difficult ones for me were programming on a piece of paper during exams which cost me months of preparation to pass).

  38. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    By "the standards girls have nowadays" you mean "standards set by the blackpill videos you watch instead of actually talking to girls" right? Ngl, being tall and handsome is easymode but has always been the case, people who are easy to look at will always be more welcome than thise who are not.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen too many young men who fulfill the dark triad of inceldom (short, fat, balding) with gfs that I just can't take blackpill threads/videos seriously anymore.

  39. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can you people who say that socializing is the key please just spell out what that means. Do I go to the grocery store and talk to women? Stand at an intersection? Where do I find women who are open to being talked to and potentially want to go on dates?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Step 1: make normie friends
      Step 2: hang out with them and have fun to steadily increase your socialization skill
      Step 3: keep self improving in all areas you possibly can (this can be done passively too)
      Step 4: by now your confidence skill will have passively levelled up to the point where you can approach women irl or on the internet

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I do all 4 steps. Never got anything but rejections

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Age? Race? Height? Bodyfat? Education status? Hairline status (on the Norwood scale)? Do you live by yourself? How would you rate your face?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Age?
            26
            >Race?
            White
            >Height?
            5'8
            >Bodyfat?
            Around 12%
            >Education status?
            Finished uni, sort of bullshit economics degree but I have a decent enough job.
            >Hairline status (on the Norwood scale)?
            Have no clue about the scale, but it's receding for quite some time now. Quite a large forehead, but at least no bald spot so far.
            >Do you live by yourself?
            Yes
            >How would you rate your face?
            5.8/10 at best

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >5'8
              Seems like a disadvantage but still doable.
              >but it's receding for quite some time now.
              Hop on fin/dut asap before you become a full on baldcel (an irrecoverable condition).
              >5.8/10 at best
              Since you've probably maxxed out your face gains from fat loss, I'd recommend a good long hairstyle. For that you do need to work on your hairline though. Also trim your eyebrows if you haven't already.
              Rest of your stats seems solid enough

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >approach women irl
        Where are these women? I’m pretty social at a sports group. Also used to attend church and a community center. Not that there were any approachable women there, but even if there were I would not be able to approach more than one or two because then word would spread quickly among the social group and I would be known as “that desperate guy” that’s just there to find a woman. So what’s the alternative? Hit on random women outside?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here’s what I do. Iv had the same social circle since middle school, including the women in it but we don’t hook up with each other, we’re all close friends.
      >pre game at my house or friends house before we pick a place go out to
      >when we show up we all play off each other, take shots. (Shots or vodka soda).
      >we dance with each other for a 20 minutes
      >while I’m dancing i look for jelly bitches who see I’m with someone
      >we kind of tapper out and do our own thing, the girls usually stick together and me and pals end up rotating around the club/bar
      >i pick a girl i know for sure was peeping me
      >if it’s not too loud il compliment something she’s wearing
      >if I can tell she’s drunk by her response i usually bring her to the dance area or just grab her if it’s everywhere.
      >usually ends in making out, sometimes sex. i don’t bring them around the girls we were with cause it can cause drama in my squad
      That’s it, granted I have the luxury of having 4-5 girls on hand at all love me like a big brother so it looks like they’re all flirting with me and my friends 24/7

  40. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where2cop wojack's hoodie

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