Just got diagnosed with ADHD

How much will amphetamines fuck with my gains?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Try nicotine patches instead. Think about it.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get a second opinion before you start taking meth.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've had brain scans confirming I have absolutely plummeted baseline dopamine levels. The legal meth isn't just to make literally any work or studies possible, but to control other fucked up shit like hand shakes, teeth grinding, nail biting, etc...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Time to ask the obvious: What's your diet?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have successful weeks and weeks where I blunder. I try to eat a lot of fatty meats, as I did my research on all the methods to increase dopamine
          >Red meat + fatty meats
          >EHA/DHA supps
          >cold showers
          >lifting
          >bed early
          >sun hitting your eyeballs early
          Who knows what the fuck causes this shit. There is strong literature supporting the idea of it being very genetic.

          All I know is that I had a psych hold a scan of my brain in front of me, showing that I have virtually zero dopaminergic activity levels in my prefrontal cortex, and this explains so much of my behaviors over the last decade when I should have gotten seen way earlier (parents were the opposite of hypochondriacs, viewed any sign or symptom as non-serious).

          Lab mice without dopamine will literally lay still and die of dehydration (despite brain scans showing that they're actually thirsty) but they can't even be bothered to take the effort to walk a few inches over to the feeder (these same mice will drink if you put the feeder in their mouth manually).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        do you honestly just think you were born like that? I can almost guarantee your problems stem from a lifestyle choice. Look within and improve yourself before turning to meds.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          ADHD is a neurodevelopmental disorder.
          Nobody born with that, but grow up with that. The tendency is genetic but the illness not. Like cancer or heart attack.
          Before you criticize something, know that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just go outside and lift. Over medication has been disastrous for society.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Just got diagnosed with ADHD
        You don't have ADHD
        >How much will amphetamines fuck with my gains?
        They will fuck up you brain, including the ability to get quality sleep. Which will fuck up your recovery process, which will fuck up your gains.

        The number one thing meth does, is fucks up your dopamine levels by forcing your brain to use excess amounts of it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you are retarded. I have adhd and sleep just fine on my meds and i take them in the morning and in the afternoon. and no, it will not fuck up your brain. Holistic fags are the fucking worst.
          >fucks up your dopamine levels
          no actualy it improves intra-nueral dopamine in the brains of people with adhd, increasing its availability. heres a study if you can even fucking read it
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2958516/

          continue being retarded

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then stop fapping for a few weeks and get rescanned

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Take the lowest dose possible. I take 10mg for my ADHD.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the advice I heard as well. Medicate 2-3 days a week MAX on days when I need the most focus, and give time to detox. Doctors want you popping this shit 7 days/week, which is just absurd and unnecessary. The meds should bolster good study/work habits, but not be coursing through one's veins 24/7 kek

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. I hear that after a year you build up such a tolerance that it does nothing for you anymore and you need to take it just to stop withdrawal. Remember this is a drug and will fuck you up just like anything else. Especially if you think taking it everyday is a good idea.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >This. I hear that after a year you build up such a tolerance that it does nothing for you anymore and you need to take it just to stop withdrawal.
          Don't "this" if you have literally no idea, you piece of shit. Amphetamines don't cause physical withdrawals.
          You shouldn't take it everyday, yes, but stop polluting this wisdom with your broscience "this"s.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/AIwwXXK.jpg

        How much will amphetamines fuck with my gains?

        Don't take over 20mg, and no more than 3 days/week. Take high dosage NAC on off days, and you'll be fine. Thank me later.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends. It varies a lot. Most of the weight loss from amphetamines or ephedrine is from appetite supression, not the increased metabolism, so if you add whole milk protein shakes when you're not hungry you can offset the changes to a degree.

      This. Doctors can be way too willing to just up your dosage, but you can end up with paradoxical decompensation. This is where your body adapts to the drug, leaving your symptoms worse when you are off it. Amphetamines build tolerance and so they will slowly stop working as well.

      Your doctor should start you as low as possible. But some are lazy and will jump right to 15 or even 20mg ERs.

      Try not to take them on off days or days with a lower work load. This will reduce the rate at which you develop tolerance and side effects. I just used it Monday, Wednesday, Friday during parts of grad school and occasionally while working on big research projects later that requires 16+ hours of focus. I ended up with so much extra that I stopped getting it.

      Get a second opinion before you start taking meth.

      Depends on your level of symptoms. My brother could never hold a job, flunked out of schools etc. So for him it was a worthwhile improvement. Meth is so bad for you because it has all sorts of other harmful chemicals mixed in and people chase a high, taking more and more. On a steady dose of Adderall you'll no longer get a buzz and increases in blood pressure, etc. should mellow out with tolerance.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        For example, a 20mg extended release is enough to get most people with no tolerance tweeking for 12 hours. Full on teeth grinding high potentially. Meanwhile, addicts who build insane tolerances are known to have done more than a gram in a day, 50 times a strong dose.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Meth is so bad for you because it has all sorts of other harmful chemicals
        Meth is also an entirely different animal and too many people don't understand the organic chemistry. That "methyl" (alcohol) molecule attached turns the drug into something akin to like what trenbolone is to testosterone. It is also a neurotoxin, unlike dextroamphetamine.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dex is neurotoxic and increases the users risk of parkinsons disease somewhat significantly.

          Methylphenidate on the other hand offers some neuroprotective effects.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can a get a QRD on methylphenidate vs amphs? garden gnomegle search only yields results suggesting they're both similar in efficacy for ADHD, but I can't find much info on the neurotoxicity differences.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              methylphenidate (Ritalin) is typically the first med you doc will will try to treat ADHD. If that's somehow not strong enough, you're then switched amphetamine (Adderall/vyvanse) which is a bit stronger, but carries the risk of fucking up your sleep and appetite even more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ritalin will also flush from your system in 4-6 hours, so you can regain an appetite faster and go to bed, whereas amphetamines last longer. I guess that answers OP's question. Curious that he posted vyvanse, which is probably the stim that will annihilate your appetite the most out of all of them, kek.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No. Meth is also prescribed for adhd. Doses are essentially equivalent. Both are neurotoxic long term.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >just got diagnosed with a made up disease
    >dr shekelbergstein told me to take meth
    >guys should I listen to him?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >X think is overdiagnosed in children
      >Therefore x doesn't exist

      This is what your brain is like being a mental midget that cannot process nuance.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >made up disease

        Gee I guess all those brain scans showing developmental differences in the brain structure of adhd brains to neurotypical brains are all fake then.

        >disease appeared in the 90s
        >only diagnosed in the US
        >prevalence map looks perfectly normal
        kek. JIDF is on IST now?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Life has become plastic and gay the past 20-30 years
          >Society pre hyper-individualism felt equitable and wholesome
          >Men used to build shit with our hands, and manual labor paid enough to support a house and raising a family
          >ADHD patients were the GOAT hunter/gatherers pre-industrial revolution due to hyper focus

          Gee I wonder what changed particularly since the early 1900's that made people need to take meds to get by in this miserable new world. Almost like a guy wrote a book on the subject

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>ADHD patients were the GOAT hunter/gatherers pre-industrial revolution due to hyper focus
            moron do you have issues with focusing on shit or do you not? ADHDfags are the epitomes of mental gymnastics, all of you are just spoiled dipshits with zero impulse control so with the support of pharma who loves selling you drugs (under the guise of medication, win-win for both of you), you've come up with this chud-level mental gymnastics paradigm of how your lack of ability to focus on things that don't immediately capture your spoiled 6-year old brat tier attention mechanisms is actually some sort of a biologically valid condition.

            You are literally just like trannies.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >chud chud chud chud chud
              lmao shut the fuck up you stupid mutt. I bet you're an American with mixed race ancestry

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >moron do you have issues with focusing on shit or do you not?
              This question proves how retarded and ignorant you are. You don't even know what the condition is, so I'm not sure why you're flapping your lips about topics you self admittedly have zero awareness of. Stay in your lane gay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't even know what the condition is,
                oh please tell me what the condition *really* is, sister? Because none of you retards has a valid answer to that. Is it about how you cannot focus when you have to study but can totally hyperfocus when playing Battlefield for 8 hours (on amphetamines)?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >oh please tell me what the condition *really* is
                low baseline dopamine levels, as was pointed out numerous times ITT
                >Just increase your bio-chemical dopamine levels within your prefrontal cortex brooooo

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                As expected, your answer is dogshit and does not address any of points I expected you to address.

                First, you did not invalidate the first point YOU criticised about hyperfocus vs lack of focus; and you probably didn't have a counterargument there because you probably DO love to hyperfocus on a video game for 8 hours - and no thats not a super-skill you absolute moron, literally any retard can do that.

                Second, you are reaching for the biological end-result for a diagnosis which omits behavioral patterns leading up the observed biological patterns. It's not your low dopamine PFC levels which are at fault for you being shit at life, its the other way around - you have low PFC dopamine because you are shit at life and you have 0 quality habits. You have no idea what it means to work for something and you never had to learn how to attain a goal. You live exclusively on instant gratification and your brain has never experienced delayed gratification, which is also why you need meth.

                I have no pity for your kind.

                OP here, I'm not that fucked up, idk what you're spazzing about so hard, kek. I'm asking a question about appetite suppression, stop being a drama queen.

                I hope for your sake that you dont get hooked to Vyvanse very fast because whoever needs meth on a regular basis is a low-tier human IMO.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The answer is not my own, but is based on the main hypothesis for ADHD you absolute fucking mongrel simpleton, which is again, low baseline dopamine levels. Nowhere in your emotional vitriol did you offer a quality retort to this idea. All you have are ad hominems and boomer-tier platitudes about "le pulling yourself up by tha heckin bootstraps!!"
                >you have low PFC dopamine because you are shit at life and you have 0 quality habits. You have no idea what it means to work for something and you never had to learn how to attain a goal.
                I'm not sure who you're referencing here schizo, as I'm not the anon who took the brain scan. I also have more money than you can dream of in your presumably third world shit tin shack, but that is neither here nor there.
                But to answer, it is the exact opposite of your brain-dead analysis of dopamine. Dopamine is the motivational and behavioral regulator which compels one to act. Arguing that compulsion to act creates dopamine is the dumbest fucking thing I've read in a long while, and again, just further proves how much you're talking out of your ass.

                >HURRR PHARMA BAD garden gnome PILLS BAD
                Yeah, we've all heard that and 99.9% of us agree with this sentiment since we were all 10 years old you bumbling moron. Cunts like you are a cancer on humanity though, because there do in fact exist people out there who would net benefit from treatments (if they've been evaluated and have legitimate medical issues) over your boomer gay bootstrap methods. I don't have ADHD, but I can see how people like you would make them feel like shit and gaslight them by denying that their problems are real. You don't realize how much of an evil gaslighting cunt you are, but I just hope for your sake that there isn't an afterlife, as you will undoubtedly fail god's judgement as suck demon cock for eternity.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Arguing that compulsion to act creates dopamine is the dumbest fucking thing I've read in a long while, and again
                Because you're an idiot. Habit to act further supports habitual acting in the future.

                >I don't have ADHD, but I can see how people like you would make them feel like shit and gaslight them by denying that their problems are real.
                Because it's very hard to accept this entire condition as real and not a 1st world spoiled kids problem platformed by pharma, and this is coming from years of observation of ADHD cases.

                >"le pulling yourself up by tha heckin bootstraps!!"
                That is LITERALLY all it takes, (and also what this entire board is essentially about) but if you think taking 30mg (or more) of literal amphetamines for breakfast EVERY MORNING is something that should be validated, you go ahead, but dont expect everyone to think thats cool and normal, because it isnt. Its fucked up.

                PHARMA BAD
                bear in mind, you apologetic retard, that we did not even open up the discussion of how amphetamines for this "illness" are prescribed to 8 year old kids on a daily basis. Cool and normal.

                I dont deny there is adults who will net benefit from taking meth daily (like no shit who would have guessed meth makes you efficient), but from personal experience vast majority of adhd cunts should prescribe to boomer DO IT moron methodologies rather than expect pity for """ needing""" to eat amphatmines every morning, give me a fucking break.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Habit to act further supports habitual acting in the future.
                Amphetamines are now more and more being used to do this. Why do you people always omit this? The meds can in fact be used as excellent short-mid solutions to get people on their feet and reinforce strong habits. You're operating under the old mentality that people need these meds forever. Doctors are now experimenting with creating good and healthy habits as a therapeutic solution, then tapering patients off the meds gradually.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it's very hard to accept this entire condition as real and not a 1st world spoiled kids problem platformed by pharma, and this is coming from years of observation of ADHD cases.
                Tell us more about your extensive research on this psych field muttoid.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah I agree with him, as someone with ADHD. I don’t like taking meds, it helps a lot, but there is nothing that helps my life as much as adopting a “no excuses” attitude. I’ve spent years of my life being successful, years being depressed, then years back into being successful and actually enjoying life. Everytime I deny the “pull yourself up” ethos, my life goes to shit. Not sure why people argue against this; literally what the fuck else are you supposed to do to make your life better? No one wants to help you when you’re a worthless, disgusting sack of shit. You start loving yourself, and loving yourself means actually taking care of yourself through things like gym, learning skills to provide for yourself, and ultimately being in a state where you can actually take care of others.

                The guy you’re replying to is definitely angry, but saying that his mentality is some scourge for humanity is truly some backwards and degenerate shit on your part dude.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok samefag. Where did I argue that hard work plays no roll? I'll wait for you to quote me on that you strawmanning queer

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You're pathetic and have no dopamine because you're a piece of shit!
                >I have no pity on you
                >ok I'm gonna take amphetamines to increase my dopamine and make me a beneficial member of my community
                >NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT

                What did he mean by this?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              OP here, I'm not that fucked up, idk what you're spazzing about so hard, kek. I'm asking a question about appetite suppression, stop being a drama queen.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              There's no reason to be upset

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hyperfocusing is a self regulating issue and not the ability to focus better than other. it means your focusing on something to the point you are ignoring other things your should be doing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >made up disease

      Gee I guess all those brain scans showing developmental differences in the brain structure of adhd brains to neurotypical brains are all fake then.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Just got diagnosed with ADHD
        >therefore I must now take these drugs
        it's hard to sympathize with normies who worsen their condition due to chronic drug use or get heart failure from dopamine stimulants when they're this obedient.

        >a psych hold a scan of my brain in front of me, showing that I have virtually zero dopaminergic activity levels in my prefrontal cortex
        brain scans to analyze mental illness are a total pseudoscience. they don't show anything meaningful, aside from obvious structural damage.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Retarded take. ADHD basically makes you an anti-normie who rejects doing any task modern life demands. So much so, that you need to scoff down goy pills just to tolerate said modern normie life.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How is what I said retarded?
            >ADHD basically makes you an anti-normie who rejects doing any task modern life demands. So much so, that you need to scoff down goy pills just to tolerate said modern normie life.
            I agree. So I can't sympathize with people who fuck up their own shit just to conform completely to society. They could also make some adjustments in their work- and lifestyle to fit their true self instead of changing themselves with drugs to fit unnecessary goals society has set for them. Finding some work and hobbies that are varied and provide mental and physical stimulation is better than forcing yourself with drugs to do boring shit all the time.

            Brain scans showing neurotransmitter levels really aren't that complex anon. It's how they diagnose Parkinson's, which is also a dopamine related illness.

            Yes, there are. And their interaction with each other and their effect on (social) behavior is very poorly understood.
            >It's how they diagnose Parkinson
            sure, but that's very different from ADD, which in turn is very different from other mental illnesses.

            Imagine coping so hard with your brain damage/mental retardation that you make claims like "brain scans are pseudoscience bullshit!"

            No, you're definitely an absolute fucking retard, but unfortunately for you there is no magic pill you can take to live a normal life. You are forever cursed with mediocrity and everyone can clearly see it but you.

            never said brain scans are pseudoscience. I said brain scans to analyze mental illness are pseudoscience. researchers agree with this by the way. they don't claim brain scans are an accurate way to diagnose or analyze mental illness.
            >no magic pill you can take to live a normal life
            unironically being proud of having to take drugs to change your true self just to fit in and be the same as everybody else.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >We know dopamine exists
              >We more or less know what it does and its effects on behaviors
              >We can fairly accurately scan how much of said dopamine quantities exist in an individual's brain
              >ADHD patients consistently show similar results of low levels of dopamine on said brain scans compared to the control
              Sounds like a solid method of gauging results to me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >We know dopamine exists
                yes
                >We more or less know what it does and its effects on behaviors
                no, not really.
                >We can fairly accurately scan how much of said dopamine quantities exist in an individual's brain
                fairly accurately is debatable. and the effects of neurotransmitters depends on many factors beyond just quantities.
                >ADHD patients consistently show similar results of low levels of dopamine on said brain scans compared to the control
                what about all the people who show high levels yet still have symptoms, or the people who have low levels and no symptoms? also, what about all those people with symptoms who don't respond to dopamine drugs?
                but brain scans look professional and are a great tool for psychiatrists to convince their patients to pay for drugs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Brain scans showing neurotransmitter levels really aren't that complex anon. It's how they diagnose Parkinson's, which is also a dopamine related illness.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine coping so hard with your brain damage/mental retardation that you make claims like "brain scans are pseudoscience bullshit!"

          No, you're definitely an absolute fucking retard, but unfortunately for you there is no magic pill you can take to live a normal life. You are forever cursed with mediocrity and everyone can clearly see it but you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            brain scan of activity, while in a lab being probed by strangers. a transient state (i.e. activity) in an unnatural environment is no proof of permanent physiological disorder. change one small environmental variable, and the resulting activity could be very different. psychology & even neuroscience are for the most part cataloguing noise. ioannidis & pearl can give you more specifics on what a dodge it has all become.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you are a fucking idiot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is obvious to anyone with a brain, but garden gnomes hate excitory compounds for the goyim (dopaminergic), and love relaxants (serotonin) based compounds.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They won't. Take them as little as you can though to prevent tolerance and possible side effects.

    I only take mine monday to thursday. I'm on 15mg of instant release methylphenidate. Amphetamines worked ok but they sort of got me a little high, which I didn't like.

    The long release variants fucked with my sleep too much. With instant release I can time them so they wear off by 6pm and so doesn't fuck with my sleep.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I take 30mg a day of adderall. If anything my gains have improved due to how much more I'm motivated to work out. When I do work out on adderall I push myself a little more and try new things, on top of that I generally have a more positive and optimistic outlook on my body and life. Idk about vyvanse but that shit's for women with binge eating disorders, just do adderall.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the earnest reply bro. What has your appetite been like post meds? My biggest fear is my appetite getting knocked below my TDEE too extremely. Also, isn't vyvanse just extended release adderall? Thanks again

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I'll be real here, legal meth kills your appetite and it's probably the biggest downside. I used to be able to clear 3k+ calories a day no problem, now I basically have to force myself to stay above 2k. On top of that you'll be dehydrated which will make you drink water which will kill your appetite more.

        My advice is to never eat breakfast before taking meth and never do OMAD. Eat food with high water content to hydrate yourself and fill yourself simultaneously. Also take Zinc+Magnesium Citrate.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If I take the advice here and only medicate 2-3 days/week, does your appetite return on off days? I feel like I can still swing a bulk if I have 2-3 days at or slightly below TDEE and the rest of the week in surplus

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If I take the advice here and only medicate 2-3 days/week, does your appetite return on off days?
            Yes. For me personally my appetite fully returns roughly 12 hours after i took the medication and when it returns in comes in full force which makes it possible to avoid a calorie deficit. The only downside is that you have to get used to eating big meals at night, which luckily is something i was doing anyway

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I second this. 2*15mg of dexedrine per day. I take em every day.

      The initial kick wears off after a month or so but they keep working even if you can't "feel" them working.

      My gym intensity and consistency has improved hugely. Appetite is lower but I eat according to a meal plan not hunger anyway and the drugs help me adhere to it.

      In short they're safe and effective meds, the scaremongering can be ignored.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    taking prescribed adderal (amphetamine salts) had little to no positive effect and ruined my sleep quality for years.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're great for cutting

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vyvanze is wicked expensive and bad for your heart. I was on it for three years and got off of it about two years go. I’m not as productive and the withdrawal sucks but I feel healthier.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    diagnosed as a child, I absolutely hated amphetamines. I’m 26 and the Last time I took medication was 5th grade. they will turn you into a anti social addict so my advice would be to ignore your doctor and seek natural medicines

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Amphetamines will fuck up you with depression also fuck off bitch tits.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >will fuck up you
      Are you an immigrant?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    youll be fine, Anon
    youre too mentally tough to become dependant on some tiny little chemical compound. I take it every single day and can't go without it
    >I'm perfectly fine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beautiful anon
      Add the test and Tren vials to the pic and you have a masterpiece

      https://i.imgur.com/zfq8eiu.jpg

      >Life has become plastic and gay the past 20-30 years
      >Society pre hyper-individualism felt equitable and wholesome
      >Men used to build shit with our hands, and manual labor paid enough to support a house and raising a family
      >ADHD patients were the GOAT hunter/gatherers pre-industrial revolution due to hyper focus

      Gee I wonder what changed particularly since the early 1900's that made people need to take meds to get by in this miserable new world. Almost like a guy wrote a book on the subject

      Uncle Ted was right

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i will be stabbing my doctor shortly if i am not prescribed amphetamines. thank you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just don't lie when you're there. Doctors are pretty good at filtering:
      >Hi I think I have ADHD, let's talk about it
      >"Hi *fake head twitch* plz give me drugs! I'm so ill!"

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good luck but you'll still need to exercise discipline in combination with amphs if you want any net positive effect. If you don't force yourself to sit in front of your studies, you'll just go on 7 hour fap sessions or play video games morning to night.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just don't take them.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk man. I have ADHD and don't take anything for it. They tried to put me on amphetamines as a kid and I just refused to take them after a month or so, made my stomach turn and I felt like a fucking zombie. I don't have any real advice other than to get off the shit if you don't like it, if you coped with it to this point in life you can probably deal with it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Childhood ADHD is unironically the version that's fake and gay for the most part, because the classification includes nearly all children (especially boys). ADHD is obviously real, but it shouldn't be treated with meds until at least 21 where we can fully determine that someone actually has it and isn't just being a kid.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was diagnosed at 15 and that's when they tried to get me on the meds, but I think the diagnosis was correct as I am 29 now with ADHD symptoms still. For sure true that doctors can be lazy pieces ofshit who talk out their ass, I have experienced that many times with other stuff unfortunately.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Just got diagnosed with ADHD
    get a second opinion
    ignore all quack doctors

    they get paid to push pills on people
    lay off the drugs
    lay off the vices
    pray to GOD

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD is made up. The guy who coined the name admitted it

    You refuse to discipline yourself so you act like a fucking child.
    Fix that and *poof* your super scary medical condition vanishes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Discipline is a meme. It's all just the amount of dopamine and serotonin in out brains that make us do anything. That's why 70% of corporate CEOs, 80% of wall street, at least 60% of med students, etc... all take amphs to keep an edge. Obviously not all of us need
      >inb4 lazy

      By every observable metric, zoomers and millennials are harder workers than gen-xers and boomers by a wide margin

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    anyone who takes adhd meds is a retard

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd try and cope with tons of coffee before going to amps, they will make you insane sooner or later..

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD was based back when we could raid and pillage + hunter/gatherer societies. Unfortunately, there's not much outlets in this day and age to unleash our passion

    >AAAAAAAAA IM GONNA RAAAIIIIDDDDD

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a lot of retarded opinions ITT from both pro and anti ADHD treatment anons. Non foolish explanation of ADHD:

    He includes a lot of natty solutions you can try before hopping on meds. TLDR
    >Cold water therapy
    >Control of blinking and focusing on peripheral vision (eyesight is very connected to dopamine)
    >Fasting from dopamine spiking activities (vidya, cooming, porn, etc..)

    I have a doc app in a few weeks as well for an evaluation for ADHD, but I'm doing everything I can the natty way first to see if I can see any improvements. Also, I find out about ADHD and it made me self assess because that autistic fuck Sseth has it, kek

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hasn’t been a problem for me

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ppl arguing genetics

    Is it not just mental illness caused from shitty things happening to you as a kid?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No its just laziness

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      now you're asking the right questions. Read

      https://i.imgur.com/zfq8eiu.jpg

      >Life has become plastic and gay the past 20-30 years
      >Society pre hyper-individualism felt equitable and wholesome
      >Men used to build shit with our hands, and manual labor paid enough to support a house and raising a family
      >ADHD patients were the GOAT hunter/gatherers pre-industrial revolution due to hyper focus

      Gee I wonder what changed particularly since the early 1900's that made people need to take meds to get by in this miserable new world. Almost like a guy wrote a book on the subject

      Ted.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't amphetamines be good for gains?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're an appetite suppressant. I suppose they'd be good for structuring workouts and organizing/planning nutrition.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Adhd isn't real but being a pillhead is.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      based adhd is a fake gnomish disease. ADHD is undiasnosed sleep disordered breathing. Anon needs to get a sleep study https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptPqXX9ljg&t=907s&ab_channel=OrthotropicsEnthusiast

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Fake gnomish disease
        >literally hitler took amphetamines
        lmao

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Adhd isn't real but being a pillhead is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you think this video is solid evidence of anything you don’t deserve to have an opinion

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brah you just got prescription pre workout

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of emotions flaring and hot tempers ITT, thought I'd offer my perspective

    Starting taking Adderall then later switched to Vyvanse about 3 years ago. I went from a miserable giga NEET to now owning my own tech startup and doing quite well making weekly swing trades in the market. Setting and achieving goals was an absolute nightmare, and I was on the cusp of failure from university. A lot of people think it's laziness, but I genuinely and honestly wanted to be a better person, was conscious of all my problems, knew exactly HOW to solve it, but it was like I'd get possessed by a demon and was just powerless watching myself not doing anything for God knows fucking why. This absolutely was tearing my sanity to shreds, as everyone saw potential in me, but nobody knew why I wasn't doing anything in life. Is ADHD fake? Did I fry my own risk/reward circuitry from vidya and fapping? Maybe, who fucking knows. But the goy pills allow me to function and get by my day in ways where I couldn't self improooov enough to do prior

    A word of forewarning to you thinking I'm shilling pharmagarden gnome pills - this shit works, but it comes at a toll. You will lose the child inside of you and you'll kinda just be a working machine. Some of you might think that's a positive, and it was a net positive for me, but a part of you dies. Before the goy pills, I was like spongebob, or a cartoon character frolicking through the flowerfields in a bliss. Now I just wake up and get to my tasks, without that inner child that sees the colors in life. Anyways, that's my 2 cents

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You should quit the meds since you've made it. Come back to humanity now that your life has straightened out

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds great, i wanted to minecraft myself anyway

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD meds should only be taken when needed. The worst symptoms of my ADHD i could cure by just doing a dopamine fast for 4 weeks. For hard times that required extreme amounts of concentration i took my adhd meds, and for baseline i take Wellbutrine (Bupropion 150mg XL)

    Please don't take these Meth pill regulary.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >i'm a pillhead

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The worst symptoms of my ADHD i could cure by just doing a dopamine fast for 4 weeks.
      Could you elaborate on how this made you feel? I'm gonna dope fast for a few weeks before my doc app. If I can induce natty changes, I'll drop the idea of meds altogether

      https://i.imgur.com/x5GzVax.png

      A lot of emotions flaring and hot tempers ITT, thought I'd offer my perspective

      Starting taking Adderall then later switched to Vyvanse about 3 years ago. I went from a miserable giga NEET to now owning my own tech startup and doing quite well making weekly swing trades in the market. Setting and achieving goals was an absolute nightmare, and I was on the cusp of failure from university. A lot of people think it's laziness, but I genuinely and honestly wanted to be a better person, was conscious of all my problems, knew exactly HOW to solve it, but it was like I'd get possessed by a demon and was just powerless watching myself not doing anything for God knows fucking why. This absolutely was tearing my sanity to shreds, as everyone saw potential in me, but nobody knew why I wasn't doing anything in life. Is ADHD fake? Did I fry my own risk/reward circuitry from vidya and fapping? Maybe, who fucking knows. But the goy pills allow me to function and get by my day in ways where I couldn't self improooov enough to do prior

      A word of forewarning to you thinking I'm shilling pharmagarden gnome pills - this shit works, but it comes at a toll. You will lose the child inside of you and you'll kinda just be a working machine. Some of you might think that's a positive, and it was a net positive for me, but a part of you dies. Before the goy pills, I was like spongebob, or a cartoon character frolicking through the flowerfields in a bliss. Now I just wake up and get to my tasks, without that inner child that sees the colors in life. Anyways, that's my 2 cents

      Thanks for the input. Sounds like I'm where you were - know what I need to do but feel powerless to do it. I just don't know anymore

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was a literal internet addict, my face on my screen or phone all day. Even when playing vidya i had some stream of some gay or some youtube video next running to me while also being in discord with my friends.

        I got my pc and locked it up into my basement and blocked all websites on my phone like IST, reddit, youtube etc.

        I found myself doing things i never did before like helping my parrents at their house in the garden, visiting my grandparrents, reading a book and the bible etc. It gave me back my ability to think straight, clearly. And the sleep was better than ever. I am now way more mindful on what i am doing on the PC and my phone. Most people get sucked into this digital dopamine addiction without even knowing it. But still, ADHD is a real sickness and i suffer from it. People with ADHD are way way way more susceptible to Dopamine addiction. They are alcoholics, porn addicts, social media addicts, sex addicts, sugar addicts because it gives them the Dopamine they lack. My theory is that it stems from some kind of childhood neglect and your brain learned to get pleasure from small mundane things and this translated into adulthood or something.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Even when playing vidya i had some stream of some gay or some youtube video next running to me while also being in discord with my friends.
          What the fuck are you me? But damn, thanks bro, that sounds actually quite motivational. And yeah, I check off all the boxes for ADHD. My brain is always fiending for dopamine, mostly through shitposting on here and vidya, as well as having a propensity for sweets if I don't control myself. I'm gonna give it a solid 2-3 week fast and see how it goes. The theory makes sense- low dopamine levels means we look for any source, no matter how cheap, detrimental, and shit of entertainment.

          Huberman podcast did a good series on it. Basically ADHD patients are always self medicating with desperately trying to spike dopamine levels high enough to focus, like how I pound down 6-8 cups of coffee every day, or I literally cannot read a line of text out of a book or screen. I think a dope fast is up my avenue, so I can hope to get those receptors a bit more sensitized.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're going to be extremely horny for the first 8-12 weeks then you'll lose the ability to get proper erections. Stimulants are horrendous for sexual performance long term. Don't know about gains tho.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They helped mine.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why oh why can't you just fix me?
    When all I want's to feel numb
    But the medication's all gone
    Why oh why does God hate me?
    When all I want's to get high
    And forget this so-called life

    I am so frickin' bored
    Nothin' to do today
    I guess I'll sit around and medicate (medicate)
    I am so frickin' bored
    Nothing to do today
    I guess I'll sit around and medicate (medicate)

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't take the legal tweak, it isn't worth it. Try this natural supplement that helps with super focus but without the speed. https://www.dragonherbs.com/diamond-mind.html

    I take it and everyone I work with takes it for work and the ones with legit ADHD said that it works better for them than any of the amphetamines or big pharma drugs. It helps give you super focus but also calms you down and helps boost your immune system. Godspeed anon!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this incredible herb was used by the Tibetan monks to enhance their spiritual power

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If anything, it'll help. More energy and focus while lifting, and the reduction in appetite will fuck your bulking, but will make cutting 10x easier.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How about modafinil? I have a terrible case of adhd and ive tried every natural solution from diet changes and exercise to cold showers to sun exposure and its improving my mood tremendously, but none of my adhd symptoms
    I dont want to take uppers tho
    Ive tried some moda and its somewhat effective to an extent, any anon has had any experience on it and know how to make its intake more effective?

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I take 10mg at 7:30 and 13:00 and it has zero impact on my gains. It does help me focus in the gym and it probably indirectly improved my form somewhat. It did help me in the rest of my life. I work as a remote software developer and without dexamphetamine I would never be able to be productive enough and it also makes working and learning a lot more fun. I would highly recommend it if you don’t take too much and you never combine it with weed or alcohol.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about ADD? I might have that and it's worse than ADHD.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the same thing you retard, check the DSM-V

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you’re reluctant to get on amphetamines - try modafinil. It’s a stimulant, but not an amphetamine. A lot of online stores sell modafinil, if you check the right places and do your research.

    I take a modafinil every day before work and it has done wonders for my life. I don’t get distracted and just get my work done. It’s similar to an ADHD drug - but you get less “high”. You don’t feel cracked out. You just become way less distracted and more motivated to get shit done. Well worth looking into.

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