Sorry roon anons, you need to get heart checked out ASAP. Mr expert in exercise physiology says that running is detrimental for heart health, saying its too much stress and your heart stretches and thickens in bad ways.
Literally says 'shorten life span'
Kek this retard thinks its bad to go on jogs??
Running is good for endurance, not heart health, i.e. running makes you better at more running.
You don't need to exercise to not be fat, you don't need to run to have a healthy heart. Your heart isn't going to be any healthier running all the time than if you just went on a casual stroll some days.
this is the people who are giving you advice
Not an argument
of course i am not arguing, there is nothing anyone can say that will go through your fat filled skull, fucking fat retard
Be nice im not calling you names also not fat
>makes retarded claim
>people call you retarded
>not an argument
Yeah, no shit retard
Lifting is good for strength, not muscle health, i.e. lifting makes you better at lifting
You don't need to lift to have larger, stronger, and more efficient muscle tissue. Your muscles aren't going to be any better lifting all the time than if you just did some pushups on some days.
lifting is good for heart health tho
No it's not lmao, why would putting heavy shit up and down for a few seconds be good for your heart?
I know this is just joking around yet it’s inevitable that someone will think it’s a serious statement.
>Your muscles aren't going to be any better lifting all the time than if you just did some pushups on some days.
pushups and bodyweight stuff isn't going to load your back and spine as much as lifting. Lifting helps increase healthspan and make old people less weak/fragile.
you improve endurance by making your heart stronger/healthier, retard.
you use it or you lose it
AHHHH i know its just.....Im going to roooooon tonight!! probably for an 1hr 45m....AND IM not going to drop dead!!
Yea bro let me just muster up the strength to randomly go on a jog for an hour.
huh? running is easy unless of course....youre fat...
So what people whove done 45-60min cardio sessions should go get the heart scanned?
Unironically yeah, so many exercised induced heart damage goes undetected until the ack.
Tour de france endurance juicers have less health problems than average people.
athletes always drop dead in 60s due to having high plaque accumulation and heart valve issues(from excessive cardio)
No, lol. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21618162/
>The age at which 50% of the general population died was 73.5 vs. 81.5 years in Tour de France participants.
not op but what does this prove wow great twink cyclists die slower than lardasses?
how about people that dont develop heart valve damage and exercise how the human body was made to exercise (not lots of medium intensity cardio)
>slower than lardasses
It's a study of France, Belgium, and Italy from ten years ago, so the general population are not lardasses. Regardless I'll look for a comparison between amateur athletes and professionals/competitive ones.
thank you for fighting the good fight anon.
Op is retarded but this debate is interesting.
It proves that cardio is good for you
>and exercise how the human body was made to exercise (not lots of medium intensity cardio)
how are humans meant to exercise?
>Totally missed the point.
Lmao 70 years of research and 2500 years of common sense have shown that endurance cardio improves every mortality predictor in humans.
No one has disarmed this retardedness yet?
IST has fallen....
cardio is bad for gains but its not going to fuck your heart for crying out loud
IST was telling me research article doi's are spam again
>No one has disarmed this retardedness yet?
literally read the posts before you, mongoloid
What is with bald fat white guys and them constantly sounding like they are on the brink of tears? Blaha has the exact same voice.
>cardio is bad for gains
This is false.
Here, this study describes different groups of runners by amount of miles and intensity.
This review paper covers the entire debate in good detail:
tdlr? does this disprove op?
Pretty much, there is maybe a decrease back to the baseline where if you run an excessive amount per week (like 40 minutes every single day) you go back towards the health of a normal nonrunner. But there isn't enough statistical power to make that as a statement.
wasnt there a study which was on valve damage on matharon runners and recorded changes in valve after 3-11hour running and it totally healed within the week?
Yeah, that's the other one some paranoid guy keeps posting.
kek did you even read this brainiac?
Yeah, low running might be slightly better than high amounts of running, but even high running is still better than nothing. It's not like high amounts of running increase your mortality. And the confidence intervals greatly overlap.
high amounts of running decreases morality
Yes, but it's not necessarily better than low amounts of running. That's all. Running a shitload doesn't kill you faster like OP implied.
Would you mind you explain like im a retard? i got fasted brain rn and dont understand science at the best of times. What is confidence intervals overlapping?
Cheers for dunking on fagOP
Tard here again, but doesnt this prove OP right? THat hardcore running is bad for you? It might be better than being fat at sedentry but this would prove bart's point?
>Tard here again, but doesnt this prove OP right? THat hardcore running is bad for you?
Maybe, it's hard to say. You might be able to one day say "Hardcore running is bad for you, but you should do mild running instead"
And you have to note that the boundary for hard running is like 20 miles a week. Most people on IST aren't really hitting that.
roughly how much would translate to in hours per week running? i know everyones paces are different but ballpark figure?
about 4 hours per week of total running time (not including time spent resting or getting prepared)
*actually more like 3hrs.
Even in the data
the people who run more than 31 miles a week have a lower death rate than people who don't run.
KEK Total OP VICTORY
bruhh even thots be doing more than that? thats not much at all? 3 hours per week?? lol listen i respect the work youve put in here but cmon
be doing? are you fucking retarded lol learn how to type bro.
gym goers are doing waaaayyy more than 3 hours cardio a week dawg
>bruhh even thots be doing more than that?
No not really. They run way too slow for that. I'm basing it off of an 8 minute mile relaxed pace for a guy.
>"Hardcore running is bad for you, but you should do mild running instead"
You can't make that assumption unless you remove fat cunts out of the data.
Seconded. Also fellow tard
Heh. OP most be frantically searching Bart kay youtubeb comments for some backup
hmmm intersting find
This dude dresses like a clown and acts like he is a biology/health guru. Of all subjects biology/medicine is the most complicated and poorly understood, so if you aren't humble about your knowledge 100% you are an idiot midwit Dunning-Kruger victim.
cope. bart is an expert and certified
ask your idol why fully carnivorous animals have low LDL-C when healthy
Nah he's an idiot. I don't have time to watch his long form videos, but I have watched his shorts and I know the personality type.
Yeah I know "science" and "studies" aren't popular on the internet any more but that doesn't mean he's not a fucking moron.
Hasn't Pavel always been against cardio? He's one of the kettlebell guys, right?
Im not aware of him too much tbh, i thought he was more muscle building
Hardcore runners are not part of the normal population though. However they do have that lanky emaciated physique from the stress they put on their bodies.
For the lardy fitizen 10-20mins of cardio per session isn't going to kill them, nor in the long term.
When you talk about things put it into context you stupid retard.
normal running is apparently 3hours a week..
no one seems to acknowledge this key point in the counter to Op's argument..jus sayin
>10 mins of cardio
Or, do 10 mins of HIIT cardio, or squats/DLs for a better/healthier outcome.
bart kay is a fucking autistic gay. I say this as someone who actually supports the carnivore diet
he seems to really know his stuff and can explain it all of the top of his head?
Bart Kay is a clearly inflamed low energy idiot. He looks like he's about to fall into an early grave and I hope he will. HAIL PEAT, HAIL HITLER, HAIL OUR LEADER, CRUSIFY ALL KETOLARDS!
I like Bart Kay. Why dont you like about him? Disagree with keto?
Sick people try to find alternatives and the first thing they find is keto and because keto is suicidally retarded the sick people die all the while stealing their last remaining wealth. It's the other arm of big pharma and big food. "Oh you don't want to eat PUFA garbage? Get into a catabolic state, drop your metabolism and die goy."
its good for insulin resistance thats it really
PUFA causes insulin resistance, NOT sugar, avoiding carbs plummets your metabolic rate, you get cold hands, high cortisol, low thyroid, you are basically getting closer to death
This is true, my life was hell on keto and carnivore, then I read Ray Peat articles and implemented his principles and now I am much healthier
My BP is 120/60 and I never jog or run
I'm also 130kg
Come at me
Vaxxcattle cope. You're going to ACK because you let garden gnomes inject mystery juice into your body, not because you went running.
so what was the result findings?
*has more qualifications, peer reviewed papers and published work than you in your path*
Face it, he is the expert and you are a stinky incel.
This bart is right, endurance cardio shortens lifespan
Running is shit. Destroys your articulations, destroys your back, chronically raises cortisol, destroys your gains (lactic acid). If you run you're retarded. Sprint instead.
I think sprinding is 10x more harmfull for heart then running.
Cardio is bad for gains is dumb.
Everyone who’s ever sprinted 200 calories knows it increases your appetite by 500 calories Which helps with gains. And strengthens your heart and leg muscles.
The video is nothing like you imply.
Bart kay is criticizing the guy (pavlo) for saying squatting is a static exercise and other dumb wrong stuff. Pavlo repeats this as an example of static exercise. Why does he think wall-sits are squats?
The video is correct that extended periods of jogging coupled with daily training plans are overkill and will actually kill your muscle and heart gains due to messing up muscle recovery.
Every smart long distance runner who’s doesn’t have skeleton face knows they need to rest one full day minimum from jogging and need to eat a ton of hydrating nutriment that will replenish glycogen stores. There are plenty of dumb long distance runners though.
>daily training plans are overkill
It depends very strongly on the intensity of the running and also depends very strongly on the quality of the recovery, what you do the rest of the day, your body temperature, circulation (do you sit in a chair the rest of the day or stretch?) So many factors.
But yes, most runners fuck up the Zone 2 training style because it is hard to implement correctly.
Yeah he seems to be obsessed with pedantically criticizing trivial statements people make. In like half of his shorts he criticizes people for using the First Law of Thermodynamics to support Calories In, Calories Out.
It is a perfectly apt metaphor even though it doesn't fully capture the complexity of metabolism. I listen to him rant about this and it just screams
to me. Also, I am an autist who is not that sensitive to social graces, but if a dude is trying that hard to appear to be a clown, I will oblige. I don't care how many papers he has published, I work in academia and there are plenty of credentialed morons.
>Study concludes that after hard deadlift session muscles were COMPLETELY DESTROYED, PATHOLOGICAL MUSCLE METRICS MEASURED.
>After one week muscles MOSTLY RECOVERED
>WE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS
oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck, does lifting weights kill you?????????