Kek this retard thinks its bad to go on jogs??

Sorry roon anons, you need to get heart checked out ASAP. Mr expert in exercise physiology says that running is detrimental for heart health, saying its too much stress and your heart stretches and thickens in bad ways.
Literally says 'shorten life span'

https://odysee.com/@Bart-Kay-Nutrition-Science-Watchdog:7/endurance-running-physiology-seminar.:6

Kek this moron thinks its bad to go on jogs??

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Running is good for endurance, not heart health, i.e. running makes you better at more running.

    You don't need to exercise to not be fat, you don't need to run to have a healthy heart. Your heart isn't going to be any healthier running all the time than if you just went on a casual stroll some days.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is the people who are giving you advice

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not an argument

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          of course i am not arguing, there is nothing anyone can say that will go through your fat filled skull, fricking fat moron

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Be nice im not calling you names also not fat

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >makes moronic claim
          >people call you moronic
          >not an argument
          Yeah, no shit moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lifting is good for strength, not muscle health, i.e. lifting makes you better at lifting

      You don't need to lift to have larger, stronger, and more efficient muscle tissue. Your muscles aren't going to be any better lifting all the time than if you just did some pushups on some days.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        lifting is good for heart health tho

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No it's not lmao, why would putting heavy shit up and down for a few seconds be good for your heart?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I know this is just joking around yet it’s inevitable that someone will think it’s a serious statement.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Your muscles aren't going to be any better lifting all the time than if you just did some pushups on some days.
        pushups and bodyweight stuff isn't going to load your back and spine as much as lifting. Lifting helps increase healthspan and make old people less weak/fragile.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you improve endurance by making your heart stronger/healthier, moron.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you use it or you lose it

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AHHHH i know its just.....Im going to roooooon tonight!! probably for an 1hr 45m....AND IM not going to drop dead!!

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yea bro let me just muster up the strength to randomly go on a jog for an hour.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      huh? running is easy unless of course....youre fat...

      Running is good for endurance, not heart health, i.e. running makes you better at more running.

      You don't need to exercise to not be fat, you don't need to run to have a healthy heart. Your heart isn't going to be any healthier running all the time than if you just went on a casual stroll some days.

      So what people whove done 45-60min cardio sessions should go get the heart scanned?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically yeah, so many exercised induced heart damage goes undetected until the ack.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Tour de france endurance juicers have less health problems than average people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          athletes always drop dead in 60s due to having high plaque accumulation and heart valve issues(from excessive cardio)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, lol. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21618162/
            >The age at which 50% of the general population died was 73.5 vs. 81.5 years in Tour de France participants.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              not op but what does this prove wow great twink cyclists die slower than lardasses?

              how about people that dont develop heart valve damage and exercise how the human body was made to exercise (not lots of medium intensity cardio)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >slower than lardasses
                It's a study of France, Belgium, and Italy from ten years ago, so the general population are not lardasses. Regardless I'll look for a comparison between amateur athletes and professionals/competitive ones.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                thank you for fighting the good fight anon.

                Op is moronic but this debate is interesting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It proves that cardio is good for you
                >and exercise how the human body was made to exercise (not lots of medium intensity cardio)
                how are humans meant to exercise?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Totally missed the point.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao 70 years of research and 2500 years of common sense have shown that endurance cardio improves every mortality predictor in humans.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Meant for

          Unironically yeah, so many exercised induced heart damage goes undetected until the ack.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No one has disarmed this moronicness yet?
    IST has fallen....

    cardio is bad for gains but its not going to frick your heart for crying out loud

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IST was telling me research article doi's are spam again

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >No one has disarmed this moronicness yet?
      literally read the posts before you, mongoloid

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What is with bald fat white guys and them constantly sounding like they are on the brink of tears? Blaha has the exact same voice.

      >cardio is bad for gains
      This is false.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Here, this study describes different groups of runners by amount of miles and intensity.
    link1
    This review paper covers the entire debate in good detail:
    link2
    https://pastebin.com/raw/RDNBzTCJ

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      tdlr? does this disprove op?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much, there is maybe a decrease back to the baseline where if you run an excessive amount per week (like 40 minutes every single day) you go back towards the health of a normal nonrunner. But there isn't enough statistical power to make that as a statement.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          wasnt there a study which was on valve damage on matharon runners and recorded changes in valve after 3-11hour running and it totally healed within the week?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's the other one some paranoid guy keeps posting.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/8qijm5X.jpg

              Here, this study describes different groups of runners by amount of miles and intensity.
              link1
              This review paper covers the entire debate in good detail:
              link2
              https://pastebin.com/raw/RDNBzTCJ

              kek did you even read this brainiac?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, low running might be slightly better than high amounts of running, but even high running is still better than nothing. It's not like high amounts of running increase your mortality. And the confidence intervals greatly overlap.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                high amounts of running decreases morality

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but it's not necessarily better than low amounts of running. That's all. Running a shitload doesn't kill you faster like OP implied.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that's the other one some paranoid guy keeps posting.

                https://i.imgur.com/8qijm5X.jpg

                Here, this study describes different groups of runners by amount of miles and intensity.
                link1
                This review paper covers the entire debate in good detail:
                link2
                https://pastebin.com/raw/RDNBzTCJ

                Would you mind you explain like im a moron? i got fasted brain rn and dont understand science at the best of times. What is confidence intervals overlapping?
                Cheers for dunking on gayOP

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Here

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Tard here again, but doesnt this prove OP right? THat hardcore running is bad for you? It might be better than being fat at sedentry but this would prove bart's point?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Tard here again, but doesnt this prove OP right? THat hardcore running is bad for you?
                Maybe, it's hard to say. You might be able to one day say "Hardcore running is bad for you, but you should do mild running instead"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And you have to note that the boundary for hard running is like 20 miles a week. Most people on IST aren't really hitting that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                roughly how much would translate to in hours per week running? i know everyones paces are different but ballpark figure?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                about 4 hours per week of total running time (not including time spent resting or getting prepared)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                *actually more like 3hrs.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Even in the data

                https://i.imgur.com/zvilqG0.jpg

                Here

                the people who run more than 31 miles a week have a lower death rate than people who don't run.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                KEK Total OP VICTORY

                *actually more like 3hrs.

                bruhh even thots be doing more than that? thats not much at all? 3 hours per week?? lol listen i respect the work youve put in here but cmon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                be doing? are you fricking moronic lol learn how to type bro.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cooope
                gym goers are doing waaaayyy more than 3 hours cardio a week dawg

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >bruhh even thots be doing more than that?
                No not really. They run way too slow for that. I'm basing it off of an 8 minute mile relaxed pace for a guy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"Hardcore running is bad for you, but you should do mild running instead"
                You can't make that assumption unless you remove fat c**ts out of the data.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Seconded. Also fellow tard
                Heh. OP most be frantically searching Bart kay youtubeb comments for some backup

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      hmmm intersting find

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This dude dresses like a clown and acts like he is a biology/health guru. Of all subjects biology/medicine is the most complicated and poorly understood, so if you aren't humble about your knowledge 100% you are an idiot midwit Dunning-Kruger victim.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      cope. bart is an expert and certified

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ask your idol why fully carnivorous animals have low LDL-C when healthy

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah he's an idiot. I don't have time to watch his long form videos, but I have watched his shorts and I know the personality type.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I know "science" and "studies" aren't popular on the internet any more but that doesn't mean he's not a fricking moron.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hasn't Pavel always been against cardio? He's one of the kettlebell guys, right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Im not aware of him too much tbh, i thought he was more muscle building

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hardcore runners are not part of the normal population though. However they do have that lanky emaciated physique from the stress they put on their bodies.

    For the lardy fitizen 10-20mins of cardio per session isn't going to kill them, nor in the long term.

    When you talk about things put it into context you stupid moron.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      normal running is apparently 3hours a week..

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no one seems to acknowledge this key point in the counter to Op's argument..jus sayin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >10 mins of cardio

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or, do 10 mins of HIIT cardio, or squats/DLs for a better/healthier outcome.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    bart kay is a fricking autistic homosexual. I say this as someone who actually supports the carnivore diet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he seems to really know his stuff and can explain it all of the top of his head?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bart Kay is a clearly inflamed low energy idiot. He looks like he's about to fall into an early grave and I hope he will. HAIL PEAT, HAIL HITLER, HAIL OUR LEADER, CRUSIFY ALL KETOLARDS!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I like Bart Kay. Why dont you like about him? Disagree with keto?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sick people try to find alternatives and the first thing they find is keto and because keto is suicidally moronic the sick people die all the while stealing their last remaining wealth. It's the other arm of big pharma and big food. "Oh you don't want to eat PUFA garbage? Get into a catabolic state, drop your metabolism and die goy."

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          its good for insulin resistance thats it really

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            PUFA causes insulin resistance, NOT sugar, avoiding carbs plummets your metabolic rate, you get cold hands, high cortisol, low thyroid, you are basically getting closer to death

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              This is true, my life was hell on keto and carnivore, then I read Ray Peat articles and implemented his principles and now I am much healthier

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >DYEL
    >bald
    >manlet
    skipped

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My BP is 120/60 and I never jog or run
    I'm also 130kg
    Come at me

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Vaxxcattle cope. You're going to ACK because you let israelites inject mystery juice into your body, not because you went running.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    so what was the result findings?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    *has more qualifications, peer reviewed papers and published work than you in your path*
    Face it, he is the expert and you are a stinky incel.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This bart is right, endurance cardio shortens lifespan

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Running is shit. Destroys your articulations, destroys your back, chronically raises cortisol, destroys your gains (lactic acid). If you run you're moronic. Sprint instead.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think sprinding is 10x more harmfull for heart then running.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cardio is bad for gains is dumb.
    Everyone who’s ever sprinted 200 calories knows it increases your appetite by 500 calories Which helps with gains. And strengthens your heart and leg muscles.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The video is nothing like you imply.
    Bart kay is criticizing the guy (pavlo) for saying squatting is a static exercise and other dumb wrong stuff. Pavlo repeats this as an example of static exercise. Why does he think wall-sits are squats?

    The video is correct that extended periods of jogging coupled with daily training plans are overkill and will actually kill your muscle and heart gains due to messing up muscle recovery.

    Every smart long distance runner who’s doesn’t have skeleton face knows they need to rest one full day minimum from jogging and need to eat a ton of hydrating nutriment that will replenish glycogen stores. There are plenty of dumb long distance runners though.

    16:16

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >daily training plans are overkill
      It depends very strongly on the intensity of the running and also depends very strongly on the quality of the recovery, what you do the rest of the day, your body temperature, circulation (do you sit in a chair the rest of the day or stretch?) So many factors.
      But yes, most runners frick up the Zone 2 training style because it is hard to implement correctly.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah he seems to be obsessed with pedantically criticizing trivial statements people make. In like half of his shorts he criticizes people for using the First Law of Thermodynamics to support Calories In, Calories Out.
    It is a perfectly apt metaphor even though it doesn't fully capture the complexity of metabolism. I listen to him rant about this and it just screams
    >midwit
    to me. Also, I am an autist who is not that sensitive to social graces, but if a dude is trying that hard to appear to be a clown, I will oblige. I don't care how many papers he has published, I work in academia and there are plenty of credentialed morons.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Study concludes that after hard deadlift session muscles were COMPLETELY DESTROYED, PATHOLOGICAL MUSCLE METRICS MEASURED.
    >After one week muscles MOSTLY RECOVERED
    >WE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS
    oh frick oh frick oh frick oh frick, does lifting weights kill you?????????

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