Post examples of the damages the two worst diets can offer. Also watch one of these dieters come in and accuse you of being on the other shitty ass diet.
>vaxxed >Genetically fricked for ApoB >NEVER posted surgery scar >Barely posts on twitter >Brags about taking statins.
Someone remind me to make a debunking screencap for that shitty screencap I'm tired of seeing morons post a frickup as though it's actual ammo against carnivore.
>I eat for survival
what a lier, lmao. you guys post these pictures to try to feel good about yourselves while killing other beings. meanwhile there are plenty of vegans doing great out there. u should at least have the guts to say that you promote the mass murder of animals because you like their taste, not because you are are le hecking survivor
and do not dare to talk to me about ethics
I promote the mass murder of animals because I like their taste and macro's
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/BAmNbu5.jpg
>I eat for survival
what a lier, lmao. you guys post these pictures to try to feel good about yourselves while killing other beings. meanwhile there are plenty of vegans doing great out there. u should at least have the guts to say that you promote the mass murder of animals because you like their taste, not because you are are le hecking survivor
and do not dare to talk to me about ethics
This.
I have a question, vegan (you).
Would you be happier or sadder if your nagging led me to stop buying meat and start raising/hunting it?
You’re genuinely a moron. Humans were created as omnivores (yes, we didn’t just come from nothing) and we have evolved to adapt to various omnivorous diets (and sometimes mainly carnivorous) based on the animals that were given to us and the land, and the plants that we were able to forage and then cultivate. Vegans are the only ones who are “choosing” because vegans are the ones deviating from the traditional diet of a human being. There is a reason our guts can and do break down certain foods into usable nutrients, ever thought about that? Ever thought about how carnivores can only eat meat, and how herbivores can literally turn grass into energy? Have you ever even thought for a few minutes about the nature of reality and the circle of life? Do you even know what a food chain is? Human have and always will be omnivores. We were given plants and animals of various types that are spread across the globe (unevenly) to eat as we inevitably spread across the globe and called whatever place our ancestors settled as home. Frick you and your ideologies and politics, your ethics mean nothing. You don’t know anything about the world nor natural sciences. Frick you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>created >evolved
Pick one
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why should I be constrained to pick one? You can see creatures, especially small one, evolve day by day. But if you don’t think the order and beauty of the Universe was created, then you were dropped on your head as an infant, unfortunately. Touch some grass. Actually, study literally one blade of grass.
1 year ago
Anonymous
To add, why when I say evolution do people automatically assume the stupid chimp to human thing? Humans have always been human, and we evolve as we adapt to changes in our environment, like everything else. We didn’t come from freakin bacteria.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>its both >but the universe wasn't created
Okay bruh
1 year ago
Anonymous
I literally said the universe was created. We and everything you see was designed.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Humans were also given smart brains with free will which are able to determine whether or not to follow our natural behaviors depending on the situation. For instance, our natural instinct is to cheat on a spouse with an attractive person of the opposite sex if we know we can get away with it, but we may decide to go against that because we find that ethically distasteful. Then again, you could argue that we "naturally" developed the concept of pair-bonding and marriage and so cheating is unnatural, but by that token, I could argue that we naturally developed empathy and the ability to spare animals regardless of our primal needs. The concept of natural human behavior is a paradox to begin with. homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Where your point falls short is that animals lower in the food chain were made to be eaten by higher-tier animals, including humans (as the top of the food chain). The exceptions (animals we shouldn’t eat) being vermin, birds of prey, canines, felines, top tier reptiles such as crocodiles, frogs, rotten roadkill, and swine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
using "natural" as an argument is the most stupid thing you could ever do when debating someone separates stupid people from reasonable intelligent ones
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's why I said that "natural human behavior" is a paradox.
Where your point falls short is that animals lower in the food chain were made to be eaten by higher-tier animals, including humans (as the top of the food chain). The exceptions (animals we shouldn’t eat) being vermin, birds of prey, canines, felines, top tier reptiles such as crocodiles, frogs, rotten roadkill, and swine.
That might apply to guinea pigs getting eaten by snakes, but when it's a human making the decision on whether or not to eat something, we always have the ability to consciously decide whether or not to obey nature. Because again, we were given higher-order brains for the sake of separating ourselves from purely instinct-driven creatures. Like keeping a guinea pig as a pet instead of eating it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why would you keep a Guinea pig as a pet? I ate a Guinea pig in Peru and it tasted fine, good, cheap source of protein for the villagers there. Nothing evil about it. You will never defeat nature, vegoid
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't say "humans", say "Men"
1 year ago
Anonymous
Men got simpy and subverted and female ideology took over our masculinity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's really interesting to consider the history. Up until 12,000 years ago humans were carnivores.
This was our of necessity because no plant food provides a meaningful amount of nutrition - a wild potato is about the size of your thumb, it's simply not possible for even a handful of people to be able to gather enough plants to live.
After the agricultural revolution we can say that most humans were poor and most poor people are mostly plants.
Now I don't want to say "we did it for millions of years so we should keep doing it", we should look at the science. But a lot of the science is inconclusive at this stage so it's hard to draw conclusions.
As for the ethics, I don't really have a problem with an animal dying for me to live.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>we were full on carnivores until the agricultural revolution
Literally no proof and evidence, and no way to prove such a thing either. And I’m a huge proponent of a high meat and dairy diet. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass.
As if those industries are animal friendly by any stretch of the imagination.
1 year ago
Anonymous
chickens are the fish of the land, they are far too stupid to consider alive. ill glady eat any animal that doesnt need its brain to survive. im a little iffy on cows but shit, if i dont eat them who will.
Gross. I don't know how anybody can cut meat out and still eat eggs and dairy. I think the only dairy I have now is some coffee whitener. I eat meat once every two weeks because it's easier than telling my mother in-law I won't eat her food.
You’re genuinely a moron. Humans were created as omnivores (yes, we didn’t just come from nothing) and we have evolved to adapt to various omnivorous diets (and sometimes mainly carnivorous) based on the animals that were given to us and the land, and the plants that we were able to forage and then cultivate. Vegans are the only ones who are “choosing” because vegans are the ones deviating from the traditional diet of a human being. There is a reason our guts can and do break down certain foods into usable nutrients, ever thought about that? Ever thought about how carnivores can only eat meat, and how herbivores can literally turn grass into energy? Have you ever even thought for a few minutes about the nature of reality and the circle of life? Do you even know what a food chain is? Human have and always will be omnivores. We were given plants and animals of various types that are spread across the globe (unevenly) to eat as we inevitably spread across the globe and called whatever place our ancestors settled as home. Frick you and your ideologies and politics, your ethics mean nothing. You don’t know anything about the world nor natural sciences. Frick you.
cope, you are simply evil and have no empathy. imagine being so addicted to something that you believe that killing in order to get it is ethical. you can try all you want, the fact is that you pay people lock, inject hormones and murder animals.
>Projecting this much
Yeah my local grass fed and free range products don’t inject hormones but seethe more. And I’d be more than happy to do the slaughtering myself if I had the time and money for a farm. >no empathy
Mhm yes sure very well indeed absolutely mhm 99% of human beings are all psychopaths!!
>I’d be more than happy to do the slaughtering myself
simply evil. >sure very well indeed absolutely mhm 99% of human beings are all psychopaths!!
yes, humans are the most evil beings walking on this earth, didn't you know? well, take a look at the news at any day and you will see the atrocities we commit. some of them are even normalized.
>my friends and I are the only nonevil people on earth! Everyone else is heartless! How could we possibly be in the wrong?!
1 year ago
Anonymous
everyone is a sinner. some acknowledge that and repent, others are proud of it
>”humans are the most evil beings” >implying humans aren’t the only creatures capable of good and evil
Die, vegoid
yes, we rape, we torture, we kill, we mock the weak, the defficient, the old... all that while being capable of understanding everything, of understanding law, ethics, morals, of seeing beyond the physical
1 year ago
Anonymous
What I meant is how can we be the “most evil beings” if were the only creatures capable of evil? Just silliness from your end, kid
1 year ago
Anonymous
other animals kill and rape too, we are worse though
Yeah, you need supplements more than rest of us
yeah
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did your ancestors need supplements from trusted sources too? Or did they eat a more balanced diet than you. How are you alive? Your ancestors had children because they survived by eating meat.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i have children too?
The fruits, leaves and seeds. What gives you the authority to slay them?
i dont slay them, i eat them. fruits have been designed to be eaten, leaves regrow and seeds I replant as many as possible in my lend, but they always surpass their need for replacement
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but they always surpass their need for replacement
Cows seems to do that too. No matter how many of them are butchered there just seems to be more of them to go around.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But your ancestors survived by eating meat, how do you cope with that? And I fear for your children..
1 year ago
Anonymous
Other animals kill, but it’s not classified as evil. And no other animal rapes. It’s called breeding. Animals don’t have logic nor full consciousness, it’s all instincts. Animals are incapable of evil
1 year ago
Anonymous
they do rape even male ones, some even other species, but they dont have the same discernement we do
answering you guys was a pleasure but i am going offline now
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Animals are incapable of evil
lol ok dud
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1 year ago
Anonymous
Evil requires a certain level of consciousness, a chimp killing another chimp because he feels super alpha doesn’t count.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i have to shift the goal posts here and shoehorn my own definition in here to make my position viable
You already lost. Check out what dolphins do to each other (and other species). It's all very conscious.
1 year ago
Anonymous
On the Day of judgement, animals will get back on the other animals and humans who hurt them, and then they will turn to dust after that satisfaction. There is no heaven nor hell for them. There is no good nor evil.
Yes, we distinguished the best animals for husbandry, the best animals for hunting, and the best plants to forage and cultivate. There is nothing evil about it.
By your own moronic logic, your existence is evil.
Therefore the only ethical course of action is for you have a nice day to make the world a better place.
Comparing killing plants to killing animals as if both are just as evil is just as stupid as comparing killing animals to killing humans and claiming that both are equally evil, therefore people who hunt deer are just as bad as cannibals.
And even if they were just as bad, cattle have to be fed more plant calories than they provide in meat, so going vegan would kill fewer plants overall anyways.
i dont follow any cult at all, you are the one following a mass murder cult
Coward. Keep deflecting your own genocide on others.
which genocide? i eat fruits, leaves, seeds and milk (i have my own farm and take some of my cows' milk for me). that plus some supplements from trustworthy businesses.
I'm into this. I rely on eggs, dairy, sardines and oysters mostly. I eat beef and chicken and lamb occasionally because I'm not insufferable, but they're not staples in my diet. Vegans who do it for the environment don't seem to understand that the vast majority of environmental strain caused by meat consumption would be halted if people just didn't eat beef daily. Going full vegan is doing the whole other 80% of dietary adjustment for the last 20% of sustainability gains.
Guess you should starve to death
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/evolution/the-smell-of-your-freshly-cut-lawn-is-grass-screaming-to-warn-other-plants-theyre-under-attack/news-story/c89590ac16650ccfdfd40c64b0c95807
Comparing killing plants to killing animals as if both are just as evil is just as stupid as comparing killing animals to killing humans and claiming that both are equally evil, therefore people who hunt deer are just as bad as cannibals.
And even if they were just as bad, cattle have to be fed more plant calories than they provide in meat, so going vegan would kill fewer plants overall anyways.
wait wtf you're telling me that people actually age?? that people look better when they're 6 years younger?? and worse if you compare their pictures 6 years apart?
damn I never knew
Post examples of the damages the two worst diets can offer. Also watch one of these dieters come in and accuse you of being on the other shitty ass diet.
What the meat based versus plant based diet debate is missing is an honest comparative study of long term outcomes, but such a study is unrealistic for now, because until the WEF creates a NWO in 2030 we can't reliably control the lifestyle choices of a huge number of people for many decades to come.
all diet studies are trash. instead lets observe nutrition. plants are all extremely incomplete having low bioavailable proteins, no animal fat which we need, no cholesterol, little to no beneficial probiotics, completely lack certain necessary nutrients like b12 and taurine for example. they're also indigestible by nature so most of their nutrients cant even be absorbed by the body. its no coincidence that the only actual superfoods are organs and that there is no such thing as a vegan tribal society. there may be societies that consume less animal foods than others, but it's never 0% of the diet. that's essentially the definition of obligate carnivory
Nutrition is not just about the food itself, but also about what your body does with food. Both sides make good theoretical arguments for plausible mechanisms*, but the outcomes of those mechanisms are unclear.
*For example: animal products may encourage more growth, which may help building and maintaining muscle, especially for the elderly, but does that also increase the risk of cancer?
*Another example: the less (bioavailable) nutrients and ''toxins'' in plants may stress the body in healthy ways, but can that stress also be an underestimated cause of health problems?
Biology is complex and counterintuitive. Let's acknowledge that there's a lot we don't know and not jump to conclusions or parrot narratives of either plant based or meat based ''experts''.
meat is bioavailable and absorbed in its entirety in its raw state. cant say the same for plants. meat doesnt cause cancer that is a tired and disproven point that vegans still latch on to like an alabama tick. ALL of the longest lived people consume large amounts of animal products relative to what modern people do today though granted it may not be 100% of the diet.
You can't stress the body in a healthy way, that's a paradoxical statement. if you're healthy, you dont need coffee or plants to poison you and cause an immune reaction to get some quick but expensive "energy" with the inevitable withdrawl. This is the most "well.. i dunno" reply ive ever seen. I do know because there are people today living in primitive societies that live without disease and its been documented for thousands of years that primitive societies are stronger, smarter, and less diseased than their urban counterparts
>”pretty much everything you said is incorrect” >no counters, just seething that he was correct
1 year ago
Anonymous
>meat is bioavailable and absorbed in its entirety in its raw state.
Being the easier to digest does not make it the default best food. Its difficult to work, doesn't mean man is meant to lay on the floor and never accomplish anything >Meat doesnt cause cancer that is a tired and disproven point that vegans still latch on to like an alabama tick.
There are no free positions. If you make a claim you need to prove it. Especially if it is contrary to the consensus of doctors with the exception of YouTube's who's entire platform is based around getting views regardless of content >ALL of the longest lived people consume large amounts of animal products relative to what modern people do today though granted it may not be 100% of the diet.
Blatantly false. None of the longest lived people ate meat heavy diets. They ate neat with fruits and veggies and dessert and drank alcohol etc etc. There was nothing to indicate they ate more meat than people do today. >You can't stress the body in a healthy way, that's a paradoxical statement.
Its called hormesis. The body gets stronger due to repeated stresses. Thats literally how building muscle works. If there was no stress on the body you would never survive. >You dont need coffee or plants to poison you and cause an immune reaction to get some quick but expensive "energy"
Caffeine and plants do not work by causing an immune response, and neither of them are poison >there are people today living in primitive societies that live without disease and its been documented for thousands of years that primitive societies are stronger, smarter, and less diseased than their urban counterparts
Those people eat mainly starches. Corn, wheat etc.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The last point is wrong af.
Only horticulturalist and African hunter gatherers eat a lot of starch since it's what's easily available and calorie dense. The corn and wheat part is BS. You are think of peasant farming communities and that means you don't even have the right concept of a primitive foraging society.
speaking of the poisons in food i worded it incorrectly admittedly. there are compounds in modern food that can take years or even a lifetime to expel and that's if you completely remove them from your diet which most people dont do
You don’t get sick from raw meat dummy, you get sick from food borne pathogens that live in uncooked and unwashed things. Not that I would ever promote eating raw meat.
Vegans love letting their children decay in front of them to show off how much they value the lives of a bull who would gladly stomp them to death over their own genes.
>waoh a single news article about a kid killing himself with an improperly stored gun, all gunowners must hate their kids!!1!!
This is what happens when you consume news from shit-tier orgs like Vice
I’m saying that using a single headline about a certain group as if it’s representative of the entire population is a sign of having a room-temperature IQ.
Also, >freakologist
1 year ago
Anonymous
What you’re saying is true, but there are several cases of vegans being ballsy enough to slap their kids with malnourishment. And several dead babies as a direct result. And who knows how many kids have some sort of weakness or deficiency because of veganism or any other poorly planned diet, including McDonald’s raised children.
Human babies should be breastfed until they're over two years old. It doesn't matter whether you're a meathead or a vegan. That's basic biology. They don't need anything else.
Bait but I’ll bite >hurr da hurr muh kids will grow up strong rejecting the hundreds of thousands of years old practice to ensure the baby’s nutrition and immunity goals are met
Enjoy the formula slop, crackbaby.
Yup based omnivore is definitely a ketolard. Prove that an infant shouldn’t have breast milk. Oh wait, you can’t, because this is consensus opinion of all 8 billion people on earth. have a nice day.
Bait but I’ll bite >hurr da hurr muh kids will grow up strong rejecting the hundreds of thousands of years old practice to ensure the baby’s nutrition and immunity goals are met
Enjoy the formula slop, crackbaby.
>you don’t NEED meat to SURVIVE! >you don’t NEED carbs to SURVIVE!
Yeah, I’m sure you don’t necessarily need. But both arguments are flawed because imagine taking both sides and dying. Also, thriving is more than surviving. Sure I can survive and be weak and not have 100% of my nutrients that I need, but I’d rather not take my chances at ruining my long term health, I’d rather not be an extremist, and I’d rather eat my healthy, balanced, omnivorous diet.
Frick all you zealous idiots.
Finally a good fricking thread about diet on this board. Both ketotards and vegans are equally moronic and it's always funny to see them accuse each other of the same fricking things.
Both needlessly cut out vital parts of a normal human diet for some moronic fad theory and then attack everyone with absurd strawmen. No, eating carbs doesn't mean eating sugary burger buns, candy or other goyslop all day, it means simply eating starchy vegetables and proper (not white) bread. No, eating meat doesn't mean that you should shovel down a piece of ham fried in butter and flush it down with seed oil every single day, but to eat an appropriate amount of lean meat to achieve proper amounts of protein intake.
>Both needlessly cut out vital parts of a normal human diet
false equivalence
keto restricts carbohydrates which are a non-essential macronutrient (without protein or fat you die) but does not eliminate them as you can eat up to 50g per day (usually from fruit and vegetables)
meanwhile veganism depletes you of nutrients both on the macro (all the essential ones) and micro scale
just the fact that on a vegan diet supplements are obligatory and without them you will inevitably get sick is a testament to how much of a garbage idea it is
>proper (not white) bread
there's no such thing as proper bread, you're not fooling anyone
You might think you sound very clever, but that is not the case.
There is zero substantiated claims that you need carbs (outside maybe corn producers) and you will consistently fail to provide any.
By primitive, he means hunter gatherer, not agricultural societies with corn and wheat.
Go back to this post, please read it, it’s for you, especially.
You’re genuinely a moron. Humans were created as omnivores (yes, we didn’t just come from nothing) and we have evolved to adapt to various omnivorous diets (and sometimes mainly carnivorous) based on the animals that were given to us and the land, and the plants that we were able to forage and then cultivate. Vegans are the only ones who are “choosing” because vegans are the ones deviating from the traditional diet of a human being. There is a reason our guts can and do break down certain foods into usable nutrients, ever thought about that? Ever thought about how carnivores can only eat meat, and how herbivores can literally turn grass into energy? Have you ever even thought for a few minutes about the nature of reality and the circle of life? Do you even know what a food chain is? Human have and always will be omnivores. We were given plants and animals of various types that are spread across the globe (unevenly) to eat as we inevitably spread across the globe and called whatever place our ancestors settled as home. Frick you and your ideologies and politics, your ethics mean nothing. You don’t know anything about the world nor natural sciences. Frick you.
By the way, you provided no proof about muh meat cauzez cancuhz and there isn’t any proof, nor any rational way to prove that this so far.
You’re the same type of person who claims exercise causes heart attacks “a science article said so!”
get off of IST with your poison
Veganism is a major scam. Animal carcass is not natural human foods, but the same can be said about breads and anything that cannot be eaten in its fresh natural form with minimal preparation. That being said, humans are a special breed of animal (the highest order of animal) that can adapt to other sources of food given the circumstances call for them, so yes, humans CAN survive on meats and breads and legumes etc if it is absolutely necessary. This however is NOT the ideal. Humans are a tropical species, and that is where we do our best. You can still use animal materials for other things like coats and bags etc, and can be ethically sourced. The only real human diet is raw veganism with high water content foods as we are pretty much made of frickin water, and ideally 75% water. Anything that is dehydrating to the system (foods less than 75% water) will rob the body of its water to compensate and process correctly, which if done enough will dehydrate the system. >In b4 pics of sickly raw vegans
99% of people that you would post that look sick on raw veganism are ALREADY sick and looking to the diet to fix their already fricked health, in which many do succeed. In all illnesses you will always get worse before you get better, its just the way the human machine works.
No need to. I’m the physical incarnation of my ancestors and I’m doing the best I ever have on this diet. Stop acting like you know what our ancestors ate, you weren’t there kek. All of your nutritional knowledge comes from the same morons who push vaccinations, promote HRT and claim there is no God. These guys couldn’t reason their way out of a cardboard box
So you believe in God, but you don’t believe that He created various animals and plants for us to eat at our disposal? You’re not on the straight and narrow. Learn me, reflect more, and study the human body.
I believe in the god of Christianity and he told us what our diet is in the first chapter of his book kek
Genesis 1:29, KJV: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat
He also gave us dominion over all of his creatures on earth, and we are to do with them what we see fit. That does not mean we have to eat them. Instead I’d rather pet them and make sure they are happy and shit. Put ‘em to work when the need arises etc, like a god fearing conscious man. Killing and eating an animal for the pleasure of taste is absurd and morally corrupt
[spoiler] sage in all fields
We don’t have to eat them, but we can, and should for a balanced diet. Btw, Look into the Quran, it’s not been corrupted by the Romans, and has remained the same God’s word since it’s revelation to the last Prophet over 1400 years ago
1 year ago
Anonymous
To be fair, Muhammad barely ate any meat. He was mostly vegetarian eating dates and bread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
We have full description on how to properly slaughter animals, and why we do it the way we do. He ate meat, so he wasn’t vegetarian. However little doesn’t matter. Also, he accepted meat dishes from people who offered.
We don’t have to eat them, but we can, and should for a balanced diet. Btw, Look into the Quran, it’s not been corrupted by the Romans, and has remained the same God’s word since it’s revelation to the last Prophet over 1400 years ago
>Veganism is a major scam
we know >The only real human diet is raw veganism with high water content foods as we are pretty much made of frickin water, and ideally 75% water
absolutely moronic, it's even more of a scam, those poor fruitarians look like they are on their deathbed
Most of the time its poor blood composition and poor circulation. Most of the people you see who claim veganism look like absolute shit because they eat like shit. They eat 'Vegan' but not healthy. Potato chips, faux meats, Oreos, processed grains etc etc. Not to mention they just dont get enough sunlight most of the time
Not race baiting here but why is it I never see black people with these pics? Its almost always white people. I don't want to say more but from certain people I've listened to its because whites aren't even meant to be on a vegan diet because their biology wouldn't support it while a black can. Seen channels of blacks claiming to be vegan and how come they don't look like ghouls? Clearly something about white genetics won't allow for a vegan diet.
Look up infinite waters if you don't believe me. Guys black as hell but claims to be vegan only for many years now and he doesn't look anything like these people.
white cuckolds are more likely to have guilt-driven behavior or act out of empathy (moronation)
vegans do what they do because they love le heckin animals and want to save the world from cow farts, not because they believe it's good for them; "it's good for you" or "do as i say or you will get colorectal cancer" is a propaganda mechanism they employ to recruit normal people into their cult
I've seen at least a good amount of black vegan channels now and none of them look like these people despite claiming to be on these diets for years. I don't believe they are lying either I don't care how much anons hate on blacks. One of these guys is even a body builder who iirc claims he does OMAD as well as being vegan. Wish I remembered his name.
The difference between ketolards and whole food vegans is astronomical.
On one side, you have a group whose entire argument and reason for believing what they do is to spite the 'opposing' side. Loosely covered up with hollow assertions of "muh tradition" when their ancestors were all grain-eating peasants.
On the other side you have a group whose foundations rest upon mountains of evidence, showing a whole foods* vegan diet can cure the most serious, advanced, and widespread diseases on Earth, such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, obesity, and so on. With the longest lived and healthiest people. To try and fence sit on the topic by pretending both groups are babbling morons detracts from the important message, that a whole foods plant-based diet can save your life.
>On the other side you have a group whose foundations rest upon mountains of evidence, showing a whole foods* vegan diet can cure the most serious, advanced, and widespread diseases on Earth, such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, obesity, and so on.
who would've thought that cutting out PUFA drenched "foods" would do wonders for your health, and your statements are useless when even whole foods keto morons have reported massive improvements on their health, but we all know what would happen in the long run to both meme dieters who think that their diet is "complete"
>cutting out PUFA drenched "foods" would do wonders for your health
Yes, cutting out fat improves your health.
Replacing it with saturated fat will just give you heart disease. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not true all you like. It's quite literally your funeral.
>whole foods keto morons have reported massive improvements on their health
I see a lot of grifters talking about how it's massively improved their health, then they quit after experiencing some "issues" and adopt a more balanced diet, or rebound. The "keto" diet doesn't even kick in ketosis, because you're still getting glucose from gluconeogenesis unless you basically cut out all protein as well, like Atkins recommended.
The only notable improvements I'd chalk up to them cutting out all the processed junk and water weight loss/depleted glycogen stores. Which is inherently far different from a diet that cures heart disease and cancer, the two biggest killers globally.
>Yes, cutting out fat improves your health
yes, cutting out PUFAs do >Replacing it with saturated fat will just give you heart disease
moron >I see a lot of grifters talking about how it's massively improved their health, then they quit after experiencing some "issues" and adopt a more balanced diet, or rebound
so basically meme dieters in general? because i've seen vegans facing the same problems online, i've even seen it irl when a vegan at my workplace got anaemia and high blood calcium even when he went whole foods veganism with proper supplementation >The "keto" diet doesn't even kick in ketosis, because you're still getting glucose from gluconeogenesis unless you basically cut out all protein as well, like Atkins recommended
atkins literally said to eat unlimited proteins and not to worry about the percentage, Taubes was the one who really started the keto grift by limiting the protein intake, even his research disproved his shitty diet theory and yet he still shills it.
I'm going to have to ask you to make a 2nd attempt at responding, only this time, providing even a single shred of peer-reviewed research to back your idea that saturated fat doesn't clog arteries, because we have literally tens of thousands of studies showing it does. >atkins literally said to eat unlimited proteins and not to worry about the percentage,
Lmao did you even read his books? Oh wait I forgot ketolards don't read.
this is literally what atkins said in his book >Eat liberally of combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs
and red meat, as well as of pure, natural fat in the form of butter, mayonnaise, olive oil,
safflower, sunflower and other vegetable oils (preferably expeller-pressed or cold-
pressed).
here's a link to his ebook
https://www.pdfdrive.com/dr-atkins-new-diet-revolution-d189713833.html >Oh wait I forgot ketolards don't read.
does this look like keto to you? and judging by this pic you'd probably realize why i think SFA is healthy
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I distinctly remember reading in one of his later books that to enter ketosis you need to go low-protein too. Maybe I'm moronic
I kneel.
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>I distinctly remember reading in one of his later books that to enter ketosis you need to go low-protein too.
you were probably reading one of Gary Taubes' books, he cited atkins a lot and was the one obsessed about his insulin obesity theory (which later got disproven by his own funded research kek) hence the low protein diet because amino acids like leusine actually trigger insulin response. here's the study funded by NuSi, taubes and attia's institution (even attia sees through the keto bullshit and has slowly distanced himself away from it)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4962163/ >Subjects lost weight and body fat throughout the study corresponding to an overall negative energy balance of ∼300 kcal/d. Compared with BD, the KD coincided with increased EEchamber (57 ± 13 kcal/d, P = 0.0004) and SEE (89 ± 14 kcal/d, P < 0.0001) and decreased RQ (−0.111 ± 0.003, P < 0.0001). EEDLW increased by 151 ± 63 kcal/d (P = 0.03). Body fat loss slowed during the KD and coincided with increased protein utilization and loss of fat-free mass.
tl;dr the fat loss on the keto meme diet is actually slow and the keto group loss their lean mass to be used as glucose via GNG
>need water to live >if you don't get water, you fricking die >"uhh dude, actually water isn't essential because your body can manufacture h2o from fat via dry fasting, checkmate watertrannies"
keto is an excellent tool for weight loss but it's really not a sustainable diet. i went from 77kg to 67kg in 2 months when i did keto and have kept the weight mostly down. but it's just an absolute CHORE of a diet to maintain. you can't sleep, your breath stinks like shit, you completely lose your appetite (eating becomes an actual nuisance not something you look forward to) and it's a pain in the ass keeping carb count low.
vegans are just moronic lmao. if you don't want to participate in the killing of animals, just go vegetarian. that way you still have access to bioavailable animal protein like eggs and cheese. most vegans age like absolute dogshit (due to insufficient intake of bioavailable protein) and can't built muscle.
>most vegans age like absolute dogshit
I wouldn't know because 99% of people I know look like lard golems after twenty. I'm not vegan, but eat very little fat or meat and I've been mistaken for being in my twenties at the age of forty. Thing is, for a fact I would look even better if I hadn't been eating the traditional western diet this long. I'll never have tight skin at my age because I used to be obese.
>I wouldn't know because 99% of people I know look like lard golems after twenty. I'm not vegan, but eat very little fat or meat and I've been mistaken for being in my twenties at the age of forty.
You don't understand how this works anon.
You're supposed to ignore the countless examples of fat normies who eat lots of meat, because they also eat french fries and corn chips.
You're also supposed to ignore that most of the keto gurus are obese.
What you're supposed to do is screech about anti-nutrients and post pictures of anorexic vegans.
>university cafeteria offers vegan only sections for all the hippie shits that would faint at the sight of meat >all the hot b***hes always crowd there >sit there with study group for lunch >proclaim I am vegan, too >order vegan meal like them and gulp it down >get up and get seconds from normal people side >come back with plate of meatballs to their horrified faces >tell them I am vegan plus. I eat everything they eat AND more >guys laugh, b***hes are mad
My 13 year old daughter is vegan for 6 months, she buys that crap herself with my money while me and my wife eat everything like normal people. I want to beat her or something what do hielp
Make her watch that compilation of dying vegans veganism the epitome of nourishment. Or get her to learn about Weston Price. Basic nutrition.
Ask her how did she come to the conclusion that eating vegan slop is good.
Your daughter is saving you money and eating healthy and your response is that you want to abuse her. Gee, I wonder who is in the wrong here? Take a look at the cost of meat anon. Fricking potato and carrot isn't breaking your bank account.
I bet this guy ate American goyslop meat. If the animals you eat are eating only seed and seed oils you're eating seed oils either way.
The phrase 'you are what you eat' is not literal you dumb idiot
What exactly is so bad about le sneed oils?
holy shit the cope is unreal
>i-i-it's all sneeeeed oil!
No refunds goyim
Two sides of a moron coin
he took the vax, homosexual
>vaxxed
>Genetically fricked for ApoB
>NEVER posted surgery scar
>Barely posts on twitter
>Brags about taking statins.
Someone remind me to make a debunking screencap for that shitty screencap I'm tired of seeing morons post a frickup as though it's actual ammo against carnivore.
Why did he believe the shit his ~~*iWatch*~~ told him?
The cope is real
>my ancestors ate highly processed grains and aspartame all day every day
imagine being a carbtard holy shit just end it bro
Aspartame is an artificial sweetener which is consumed by fat Americans. Most ketolards aren't even dumb enough to touch that shit.
>My ancestors ate burgers, bacon and butter every day bro
>Vegetables are a israeli plot to feminize you bro
>my ancestors totally never ate fruit or vegetables bro just bacon and butter
if you don't think that killing animals is evil, you have no soul
I'm glad the puppy did not get eaten
Animals eat animals so they must be evil. Enjoy shrivelling up like a prune with that false moral highground.
1. they dont have the same discern we have
2. you eat cows, not lions
3. you do it for pleasure, just like any vicious addict
I eat for survival, the objective does not change because it is not the most ethical option
>I eat for survival
what a lier, lmao. you guys post these pictures to try to feel good about yourselves while killing other beings. meanwhile there are plenty of vegans doing great out there. u should at least have the guts to say that you promote the mass murder of animals because you like their taste, not because you are are le hecking survivor
and do not dare to talk to me about ethics
I promote the mass murder of animals because I like their taste and macro's
This.
I have a question, vegan (you).
Would you be happier or sadder if your nagging led me to stop buying meat and start raising/hunting it?
You’re genuinely a moron. Humans were created as omnivores (yes, we didn’t just come from nothing) and we have evolved to adapt to various omnivorous diets (and sometimes mainly carnivorous) based on the animals that were given to us and the land, and the plants that we were able to forage and then cultivate. Vegans are the only ones who are “choosing” because vegans are the ones deviating from the traditional diet of a human being. There is a reason our guts can and do break down certain foods into usable nutrients, ever thought about that? Ever thought about how carnivores can only eat meat, and how herbivores can literally turn grass into energy? Have you ever even thought for a few minutes about the nature of reality and the circle of life? Do you even know what a food chain is? Human have and always will be omnivores. We were given plants and animals of various types that are spread across the globe (unevenly) to eat as we inevitably spread across the globe and called whatever place our ancestors settled as home. Frick you and your ideologies and politics, your ethics mean nothing. You don’t know anything about the world nor natural sciences. Frick you.
>created
>evolved
Pick one
Why should I be constrained to pick one? You can see creatures, especially small one, evolve day by day. But if you don’t think the order and beauty of the Universe was created, then you were dropped on your head as an infant, unfortunately. Touch some grass. Actually, study literally one blade of grass.
To add, why when I say evolution do people automatically assume the stupid chimp to human thing? Humans have always been human, and we evolve as we adapt to changes in our environment, like everything else. We didn’t come from freakin bacteria.
>its both
>but the universe wasn't created
Okay bruh
I literally said the universe was created. We and everything you see was designed.
Humans were also given smart brains with free will which are able to determine whether or not to follow our natural behaviors depending on the situation. For instance, our natural instinct is to cheat on a spouse with an attractive person of the opposite sex if we know we can get away with it, but we may decide to go against that because we find that ethically distasteful. Then again, you could argue that we "naturally" developed the concept of pair-bonding and marriage and so cheating is unnatural, but by that token, I could argue that we naturally developed empathy and the ability to spare animals regardless of our primal needs. The concept of natural human behavior is a paradox to begin with. homosexual.
Where your point falls short is that animals lower in the food chain were made to be eaten by higher-tier animals, including humans (as the top of the food chain). The exceptions (animals we shouldn’t eat) being vermin, birds of prey, canines, felines, top tier reptiles such as crocodiles, frogs, rotten roadkill, and swine.
using "natural" as an argument is the most stupid thing you could ever do when debating someone separates stupid people from reasonable intelligent ones
That's why I said that "natural human behavior" is a paradox.
That might apply to guinea pigs getting eaten by snakes, but when it's a human making the decision on whether or not to eat something, we always have the ability to consciously decide whether or not to obey nature. Because again, we were given higher-order brains for the sake of separating ourselves from purely instinct-driven creatures. Like keeping a guinea pig as a pet instead of eating it.
Why would you keep a Guinea pig as a pet? I ate a Guinea pig in Peru and it tasted fine, good, cheap source of protein for the villagers there. Nothing evil about it. You will never defeat nature, vegoid
Don't say "humans", say "Men"
Men got simpy and subverted and female ideology took over our masculinity.
It's really interesting to consider the history. Up until 12,000 years ago humans were carnivores.
This was our of necessity because no plant food provides a meaningful amount of nutrition - a wild potato is about the size of your thumb, it's simply not possible for even a handful of people to be able to gather enough plants to live.
After the agricultural revolution we can say that most humans were poor and most poor people are mostly plants.
Now I don't want to say "we did it for millions of years so we should keep doing it", we should look at the science. But a lot of the science is inconclusive at this stage so it's hard to draw conclusions.
As for the ethics, I don't really have a problem with an animal dying for me to live.
>we were full on carnivores until the agricultural revolution
Literally no proof and evidence, and no way to prove such a thing either. And I’m a huge proponent of a high meat and dairy diet. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass.
>I promote the mass murder of animals because I like their taste
They are dumb animals, who cares?
I'd kill and eat you if I could get away with it (and if I didn't get prion disease)
you could survive on just eggs and dairy and they're both superior to meat anyways. Only reason to eat meat is for taste
As if those industries are animal friendly by any stretch of the imagination.
chickens are the fish of the land, they are far too stupid to consider alive. ill glady eat any animal that doesnt need its brain to survive. im a little iffy on cows but shit, if i dont eat them who will.
That slide looks pretty fun to me.
Gross. I don't know how anybody can cut meat out and still eat eggs and dairy. I think the only dairy I have now is some coffee whitener. I eat meat once every two weeks because it's easier than telling my mother in-law I won't eat her food.
If you ate for survival it wouldn't matter what you ate and you wouldn't be talking about it here
So if strict carnivores were intelligent they would be inherently evil?
no toddler in that pizza
Killing any living organism is evil. Animals at least have a theoretical chance to fight back or escape. Your prey doesn't.
cope, you are simply evil and have no empathy. imagine being so addicted to something that you believe that killing in order to get it is ethical. you can try all you want, the fact is that you pay people lock, inject hormones and murder animals.
>Projecting this much
Yeah my local grass fed and free range products don’t inject hormones but seethe more. And I’d be more than happy to do the slaughtering myself if I had the time and money for a farm.
>no empathy
Mhm yes sure very well indeed absolutely mhm 99% of human beings are all psychopaths!!
>I’d be more than happy to do the slaughtering myself
simply evil.
>sure very well indeed absolutely mhm 99% of human beings are all psychopaths!!
yes, humans are the most evil beings walking on this earth, didn't you know? well, take a look at the news at any day and you will see the atrocities we commit. some of them are even normalized.
>my friends and I are the only nonevil people on earth! Everyone else is heartless! How could we possibly be in the wrong?!
everyone is a sinner. some acknowledge that and repent, others are proud of it
yes, we rape, we torture, we kill, we mock the weak, the defficient, the old... all that while being capable of understanding everything, of understanding law, ethics, morals, of seeing beyond the physical
What I meant is how can we be the “most evil beings” if were the only creatures capable of evil? Just silliness from your end, kid
other animals kill and rape too, we are worse though
yeah
Did your ancestors need supplements from trusted sources too? Or did they eat a more balanced diet than you. How are you alive? Your ancestors had children because they survived by eating meat.
i have children too?
i dont slay them, i eat them. fruits have been designed to be eaten, leaves regrow and seeds I replant as many as possible in my lend, but they always surpass their need for replacement
>but they always surpass their need for replacement
Cows seems to do that too. No matter how many of them are butchered there just seems to be more of them to go around.
But your ancestors survived by eating meat, how do you cope with that? And I fear for your children..
Other animals kill, but it’s not classified as evil. And no other animal rapes. It’s called breeding. Animals don’t have logic nor full consciousness, it’s all instincts. Animals are incapable of evil
they do rape even male ones, some even other species, but they dont have the same discernement we do
answering you guys was a pleasure but i am going offline now
>Animals are incapable of evil
lol ok dud
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Evil requires a certain level of consciousness, a chimp killing another chimp because he feels super alpha doesn’t count.
>i have to shift the goal posts here and shoehorn my own definition in here to make my position viable
You already lost. Check out what dolphins do to each other (and other species). It's all very conscious.
On the Day of judgement, animals will get back on the other animals and humans who hurt them, and then they will turn to dust after that satisfaction. There is no heaven nor hell for them. There is no good nor evil.
What religion is this?
The only true religion, Islam (submission)
Based fellow monotheist
Wgmi, by God’s will
Take care brother.
>”humans are the most evil beings”
>implying humans aren’t the only creatures capable of good and evil
Die, vegoid
This the most pretentious, idiotic thing I've ever read in my life, holy shit.
Coward. Keep deflecting your own genocide on others.
Imagine completing ignoring your own creation/evolution and his post by strawmanning..
if we suppose that evolution is real, there is a reason why we developed the ability to distinguish good and bad.
Yes, we distinguished the best animals for husbandry, the best animals for hunting, and the best plants to forage and cultivate. There is nothing evil about it.
there must be a woman behind these posts
or this is excellent bait
>Killing any living organism is evil.
Does that include plants?
What about insects?
Or bacteria?
Yes. Veganism is just as evil as any other diet.
By your own moronic logic, your existence is evil.
Therefore the only ethical course of action is for you have a nice day to make the world a better place.
Yes, if killing for food is evil then all diets are evil.
Comparing killing plants to killing animals as if both are just as evil is just as stupid as comparing killing animals to killing humans and claiming that both are equally evil, therefore people who hunt deer are just as bad as cannibals.
And even if they were just as bad, cattle have to be fed more plant calories than they provide in meat, so going vegan would kill fewer plants overall anyways.
why do you want to torture plants? what did they do to you?
Again, feeding cattle causes more plant torture than eating plants directly
You can't torture something without morals
you're still torturing plants, there are insects we can eat you know?
Why not eat brainless animals like seashell and mussels? You won't because your moronic cult wants you to be unhealthy.
i dont follow any cult at all, you are the one following a mass murder cult
which genocide? i eat fruits, leaves, seeds and milk (i have my own farm and take some of my cows' milk for me). that plus some supplements from trustworthy businesses.
Yeah, you need supplements more than rest of us
The fruits, leaves and seeds. What gives you the authority to slay them?
I'm into this. I rely on eggs, dairy, sardines and oysters mostly. I eat beef and chicken and lamb occasionally because I'm not insufferable, but they're not staples in my diet. Vegans who do it for the environment don't seem to understand that the vast majority of environmental strain caused by meat consumption would be halted if people just didn't eat beef daily. Going full vegan is doing the whole other 80% of dietary adjustment for the last 20% of sustainability gains.
kys homosexual.
I am evil!
>if you dont kill them they will just live forever
Lol lmao even
sympahizing with animals means you are mentally on the same level
As long as the purpose stands, even killing humans can be good anon.
I like my cats and I like dogs. Both of these creatures kill to survive.
Guess you should starve to death
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/evolution/the-smell-of-your-freshly-cut-lawn-is-grass-screaming-to-warn-other-plants-theyre-under-attack/news-story/c89590ac16650ccfdfd40c64b0c95807
I don't eat dogs and camels.
Reminder that after death this ketolard moron pushed 258 pounds
how about you try to push away the goyslop for once
Ah yes, fruit, wheat, potatoes, and rice which were consumed for millennias are goyslop.
With what lift?
deadlift
Lasted longer than zyzz
nice, added to my dead/dying vegan collage
Reminder that she'd be twice as masculine looking (which isn't a lot) and look her age on that TRT if she ate a fricking steak.
wait wtf you're telling me that people actually age?? that people look better when they're 6 years younger?? and worse if you compare their pictures 6 years apart?
damn I never knew
R u blind or just moronic?
Trips of bait. No one looks that bad after just 6 years unless they’re doing something incredibly wrong
>twice as masculine looking
All she needs is a fake mustache.
>Ellen
is that way my guy
bump
To apologize on his behalf - Sorry. Meant to say Miss Ellen.
She got so moronic with the vegan lifestyle that she trooned out. SAD.
She looks great nowadays. Not sure if she changed her diet.
whomst
Dr Dray on youtube. She mainly does skincare stuff.
Thank you anon. I will now proceed to watch her videos and pretend she is my gf. Merry Christmas <3
looks like she wears more makeup now
will going vegan stop c**ts from asking for my fricking id
im a 30 year old man i dont need this shit
How tall are you? Kek.
178cm, king of manlets
That's 174 cm's bro, you're a normal.
What the meat based versus plant based diet debate is missing is an honest comparative study of long term outcomes, but such a study is unrealistic for now, because until the WEF creates a NWO in 2030 we can't reliably control the lifestyle choices of a huge number of people for many decades to come.
all diet studies are trash. instead lets observe nutrition. plants are all extremely incomplete having low bioavailable proteins, no animal fat which we need, no cholesterol, little to no beneficial probiotics, completely lack certain necessary nutrients like b12 and taurine for example. they're also indigestible by nature so most of their nutrients cant even be absorbed by the body. its no coincidence that the only actual superfoods are organs and that there is no such thing as a vegan tribal society. there may be societies that consume less animal foods than others, but it's never 0% of the diet. that's essentially the definition of obligate carnivory
Nutrition is not just about the food itself, but also about what your body does with food. Both sides make good theoretical arguments for plausible mechanisms*, but the outcomes of those mechanisms are unclear.
*For example: animal products may encourage more growth, which may help building and maintaining muscle, especially for the elderly, but does that also increase the risk of cancer?
*Another example: the less (bioavailable) nutrients and ''toxins'' in plants may stress the body in healthy ways, but can that stress also be an underestimated cause of health problems?
Biology is complex and counterintuitive. Let's acknowledge that there's a lot we don't know and not jump to conclusions or parrot narratives of either plant based or meat based ''experts''.
meat is bioavailable and absorbed in its entirety in its raw state. cant say the same for plants. meat doesnt cause cancer that is a tired and disproven point that vegans still latch on to like an alabama tick. ALL of the longest lived people consume large amounts of animal products relative to what modern people do today though granted it may not be 100% of the diet.
You can't stress the body in a healthy way, that's a paradoxical statement. if you're healthy, you dont need coffee or plants to poison you and cause an immune reaction to get some quick but expensive "energy" with the inevitable withdrawl. This is the most "well.. i dunno" reply ive ever seen. I do know because there are people today living in primitive societies that live without disease and its been documented for thousands of years that primitive societies are stronger, smarter, and less diseased than their urban counterparts
Pretty much everything you've said is incorrect
Excellent and well thought out argument
>writes comment
>waits 50 minutes for a reply
>replies instantly
>on Christmas
Bot or lowlife vegcuck gay confirmed (not a conscious being either way)
Its almost like not everyone follows paganism
Touch grass
>”pretty much everything you said is incorrect”
>no counters, just seething that he was correct
>meat is bioavailable and absorbed in its entirety in its raw state.
Being the easier to digest does not make it the default best food. Its difficult to work, doesn't mean man is meant to lay on the floor and never accomplish anything
>Meat doesnt cause cancer that is a tired and disproven point that vegans still latch on to like an alabama tick.
There are no free positions. If you make a claim you need to prove it. Especially if it is contrary to the consensus of doctors with the exception of YouTube's who's entire platform is based around getting views regardless of content
>ALL of the longest lived people consume large amounts of animal products relative to what modern people do today though granted it may not be 100% of the diet.
Blatantly false. None of the longest lived people ate meat heavy diets. They ate neat with fruits and veggies and dessert and drank alcohol etc etc. There was nothing to indicate they ate more meat than people do today.
>You can't stress the body in a healthy way, that's a paradoxical statement.
Its called hormesis. The body gets stronger due to repeated stresses. Thats literally how building muscle works. If there was no stress on the body you would never survive.
>You dont need coffee or plants to poison you and cause an immune reaction to get some quick but expensive "energy"
Caffeine and plants do not work by causing an immune response, and neither of them are poison
>there are people today living in primitive societies that live without disease and its been documented for thousands of years that primitive societies are stronger, smarter, and less diseased than their urban counterparts
Those people eat mainly starches. Corn, wheat etc.
The last point is wrong af.
Only horticulturalist and African hunter gatherers eat a lot of starch since it's what's easily available and calorie dense. The corn and wheat part is BS. You are think of peasant farming communities and that means you don't even have the right concept of a primitive foraging society.
I'll settle for being wrong on one point
You can't stress the body in a healthy way, that's a paradoxical statement.
anon, you're on the fitness board. how again does one build muscle?
speaking of the poisons in food i worded it incorrectly admittedly. there are compounds in modern food that can take years or even a lifetime to expel and that's if you completely remove them from your diet which most people dont do
Define modern food
>meat is bioavailable and absorbed in its entirety in its raw state.
then why we get sick from raw meat
You don’t get sick from raw meat dummy, you get sick from food borne pathogens that live in uncooked and unwashed things. Not that I would ever promote eating raw meat.
Vegans think giving babies malnutrition is not only okay but morally outstanding.
Vegans love letting their children decay in front of them to show off how much they value the lives of a bull who would gladly stomp them to death over their own genes.
>waoh a single news article about a kid killing himself with an improperly stored gun, all gunowners must hate their kids!!1!!
This is what happens when you consume news from shit-tier orgs like Vice
You actually think BABIES and young children can thrive off a purely vegan diet? Frick you, never have kids you freakologist.
I’m saying that using a single headline about a certain group as if it’s representative of the entire population is a sign of having a room-temperature IQ.
Also,
>freakologist
What you’re saying is true, but there are several cases of vegans being ballsy enough to slap their kids with malnourishment. And several dead babies as a direct result. And who knows how many kids have some sort of weakness or deficiency because of veganism or any other poorly planned diet, including McDonald’s raised children.
They are supposed to be drinking milk from their mother not eating meat like a keto tard.
these babies always look sickly
Literally child abuse
They are creating autistic manlets by withholding proper nutrition
Look at the mentally ill fat troon who keeps posting the keto memes if you want to see how deranged the kids will end up
Keto is moronic though. Imagine starving yourself because you can't do exercise. Last Men.
I've been zero carb for a year anon and I can exercise fine.
>starving yourself
You don't even know what keto means, boy
It's a form of starvation, eat carbs schizo
>Nooooooo! You have to eat muh carberinos! Muh tasty wasty toasty woasty with jam because I do! Muh rice and noodles! Nooooooo!
Pussy
great argument grainhead
You don't need
carbs moron.
Like at all.
Thats why your brain makes glucose when you cut all carbs huh
Exactly, your body can easily make all the sugars it needs.
You are very self unaware. Have a good day
>You don't need
>carbs moron.
>Like at all.
1 word: glucose
Post body
You won't
Eat potatoes with your meat anon. Or rice with your chicken.
>Eat potatoes with your meat anon. Or rice with your chicken.
nta but is something wrong with that? I do it all the time.
Human babies should be breastfed until they're over two years old. It doesn't matter whether you're a meathead or a vegan. That's basic biology. They don't need anything else.
Veganism is a way for agnostics to give themselves a sense of moral justification for their selfish consumerist lifes.
breastfeeding is basically transitioning with a trad stamp on it, don't let your children drink feminising hormones
>don't give your child something natural
>sucking on breasts will make it gay
your post was the most stupidest thing I read on IST.
never breed
Yup based omnivore is definitely a ketolard. Prove that an infant shouldn’t have breast milk. Oh wait, you can’t, because this is consensus opinion of all 8 billion people on earth. have a nice day.
Bait but I’ll bite
>hurr da hurr muh kids will grow up strong rejecting the hundreds of thousands of years old practice to ensure the baby’s nutrition and immunity goals are met
Enjoy the formula slop, crackbaby.
I eat everything
As you should. The healthiest diet is eating everything except for artificially processed goyslop.
Dis homie eating beans!
Best take itt
>rostie with make up vs no make up
Let me guess she's trying to sell you something.
>you don’t NEED meat to SURVIVE!
>you don’t NEED carbs to SURVIVE!
Yeah, I’m sure you don’t necessarily need. But both arguments are flawed because imagine taking both sides and dying. Also, thriving is more than surviving. Sure I can survive and be weak and not have 100% of my nutrients that I need, but I’d rather not take my chances at ruining my long term health, I’d rather not be an extremist, and I’d rather eat my healthy, balanced, omnivorous diet.
Frick all you zealous idiots.
based
omnivore chads can't stop winning
We win just as our ancestors before us did. Let the vegans and ketolards die premature, painful deaths.
Finally a good fricking thread about diet on this board. Both ketotards and vegans are equally moronic and it's always funny to see them accuse each other of the same fricking things.
Both needlessly cut out vital parts of a normal human diet for some moronic fad theory and then attack everyone with absurd strawmen. No, eating carbs doesn't mean eating sugary burger buns, candy or other goyslop all day, it means simply eating starchy vegetables and proper (not white) bread. No, eating meat doesn't mean that you should shovel down a piece of ham fried in butter and flush it down with seed oil every single day, but to eat an appropriate amount of lean meat to achieve proper amounts of protein intake.
>Both needlessly cut out vital parts of a normal human diet
false equivalence
keto restricts carbohydrates which are a non-essential macronutrient (without protein or fat you die) but does not eliminate them as you can eat up to 50g per day (usually from fruit and vegetables)
meanwhile veganism depletes you of nutrients both on the macro (all the essential ones) and micro scale
just the fact that on a vegan diet supplements are obligatory and without them you will inevitably get sick is a testament to how much of a garbage idea it is
>proper (not white) bread
there's no such thing as proper bread, you're not fooling anyone
Unessential =/= unoptimal
False premise
yes but unoptimal >>> unessential
Keto is not a lifestyle. Do for 6-12 weeks only once or twice a year and eat lots of fruit and vegetables in between
You might think you sound very clever, but that is not the case.
There is zero substantiated claims that you need carbs (outside maybe corn producers) and you will consistently fail to provide any.
veganism is not a diet, it's a lifestyle
also CICO, dont post here if you dont lift
I would bury my dick so far up her ass whoever could pull it out would be crowned King Arthur
I think girls with the skinny face look are extremely attractive
By primitive, he means hunter gatherer, not agricultural societies with corn and wheat.
Go back to this post, please read it, it’s for you, especially.
By the way, you provided no proof about muh meat cauzez cancuhz and there isn’t any proof, nor any rational way to prove that this so far.
You’re the same type of person who claims exercise causes heart attacks “a science article said so!”
get off of IST with your poison
Veganism is a major scam. Animal carcass is not natural human foods, but the same can be said about breads and anything that cannot be eaten in its fresh natural form with minimal preparation. That being said, humans are a special breed of animal (the highest order of animal) that can adapt to other sources of food given the circumstances call for them, so yes, humans CAN survive on meats and breads and legumes etc if it is absolutely necessary. This however is NOT the ideal. Humans are a tropical species, and that is where we do our best. You can still use animal materials for other things like coats and bags etc, and can be ethically sourced. The only real human diet is raw veganism with high water content foods as we are pretty much made of frickin water, and ideally 75% water. Anything that is dehydrating to the system (foods less than 75% water) will rob the body of its water to compensate and process correctly, which if done enough will dehydrate the system.
>In b4 pics of sickly raw vegans
99% of people that you would post that look sick on raw veganism are ALREADY sick and looking to the diet to fix their already fricked health, in which many do succeed. In all illnesses you will always get worse before you get better, its just the way the human machine works.
>Veganism is a major scam
we know
>Animals aren’t natural human foods
Explain that to your paternal line 100,000 years into the past.
No need to. I’m the physical incarnation of my ancestors and I’m doing the best I ever have on this diet. Stop acting like you know what our ancestors ate, you weren’t there kek. All of your nutritional knowledge comes from the same morons who push vaccinations, promote HRT and claim there is no God. These guys couldn’t reason their way out of a cardboard box
So you believe in God, but you don’t believe that He created various animals and plants for us to eat at our disposal? You’re not on the straight and narrow. Learn me, reflect more, and study the human body.
I believe in the god of Christianity and he told us what our diet is in the first chapter of his book kek
Genesis 1:29, KJV: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat
He also gave us dominion over all of his creatures on earth, and we are to do with them what we see fit. That does not mean we have to eat them. Instead I’d rather pet them and make sure they are happy and shit. Put ‘em to work when the need arises etc, like a god fearing conscious man. Killing and eating an animal for the pleasure of taste is absurd and morally corrupt
[spoiler] sage in all fields
We don’t have to eat them, but we can, and should for a balanced diet. Btw, Look into the Quran, it’s not been corrupted by the Romans, and has remained the same God’s word since it’s revelation to the last Prophet over 1400 years ago
To be fair, Muhammad barely ate any meat. He was mostly vegetarian eating dates and bread.
We have full description on how to properly slaughter animals, and why we do it the way we do. He ate meat, so he wasn’t vegetarian. However little doesn’t matter. Also, he accepted meat dishes from people who offered.
Both of you are posting from Tel Aviv aren’t you?
>being israeli
Yeah no thanks.
>Veganism is a major scam
we know
>The only real human diet is raw veganism with high water content foods as we are pretty much made of frickin water, and ideally 75% water
absolutely moronic, it's even more of a scam, those poor fruitarians look like they are on their deathbed
What is it about veganism that makes their skin color become so pale or tinted? It looks so weird
lack of meat, obviously. and too much cleansing from the veggies.
Most of the time its poor blood composition and poor circulation. Most of the people you see who claim veganism look like absolute shit because they eat like shit. They eat 'Vegan' but not healthy. Potato chips, faux meats, Oreos, processed grains etc etc. Not to mention they just dont get enough sunlight most of the time
Not race baiting here but why is it I never see black people with these pics? Its almost always white people. I don't want to say more but from certain people I've listened to its because whites aren't even meant to be on a vegan diet because their biology wouldn't support it while a black can. Seen channels of blacks claiming to be vegan and how come they don't look like ghouls? Clearly something about white genetics won't allow for a vegan diet.
Look up infinite waters if you don't believe me. Guys black as hell but claims to be vegan only for many years now and he doesn't look anything like these people.
white cuckolds are more likely to have guilt-driven behavior or act out of empathy (moronation)
vegans do what they do because they love le heckin animals and want to save the world from cow farts, not because they believe it's good for them; "it's good for you" or "do as i say or you will get colorectal cancer" is a propaganda mechanism they employ to recruit normal people into their cult
I've seen at least a good amount of black vegan channels now and none of them look like these people despite claiming to be on these diets for years. I don't believe they are lying either I don't care how much anons hate on blacks. One of these guys is even a body builder who iirc claims he does OMAD as well as being vegan. Wish I remembered his name.
Found him its Dr. Nun Amen-Ra. I've seen black male and female channels and these people do not look like ghouls despite the vegan diet.
The difference between ketolards and whole food vegans is astronomical.
On one side, you have a group whose entire argument and reason for believing what they do is to spite the 'opposing' side. Loosely covered up with hollow assertions of "muh tradition" when their ancestors were all grain-eating peasants.
On the other side you have a group whose foundations rest upon mountains of evidence, showing a whole foods* vegan diet can cure the most serious, advanced, and widespread diseases on Earth, such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, obesity, and so on. With the longest lived and healthiest people. To try and fence sit on the topic by pretending both groups are babbling morons detracts from the important message, that a whole foods plant-based diet can save your life.
>On the other side you have a group whose foundations rest upon mountains of evidence, showing a whole foods* vegan diet can cure the most serious, advanced, and widespread diseases on Earth, such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, obesity, and so on.
who would've thought that cutting out PUFA drenched "foods" would do wonders for your health, and your statements are useless when even whole foods keto morons have reported massive improvements on their health, but we all know what would happen in the long run to both meme dieters who think that their diet is "complete"
>cutting out PUFA drenched "foods" would do wonders for your health
Yes, cutting out fat improves your health.
Replacing it with saturated fat will just give you heart disease. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not true all you like. It's quite literally your funeral.
>whole foods keto morons have reported massive improvements on their health
I see a lot of grifters talking about how it's massively improved their health, then they quit after experiencing some "issues" and adopt a more balanced diet, or rebound. The "keto" diet doesn't even kick in ketosis, because you're still getting glucose from gluconeogenesis unless you basically cut out all protein as well, like Atkins recommended.
The only notable improvements I'd chalk up to them cutting out all the processed junk and water weight loss/depleted glycogen stores. Which is inherently far different from a diet that cures heart disease and cancer, the two biggest killers globally.
>Yes, cutting out fat improves your health
yes, cutting out PUFAs do
>Replacing it with saturated fat will just give you heart disease
moron
>I see a lot of grifters talking about how it's massively improved their health, then they quit after experiencing some "issues" and adopt a more balanced diet, or rebound
so basically meme dieters in general? because i've seen vegans facing the same problems online, i've even seen it irl when a vegan at my workplace got anaemia and high blood calcium even when he went whole foods veganism with proper supplementation
>The "keto" diet doesn't even kick in ketosis, because you're still getting glucose from gluconeogenesis unless you basically cut out all protein as well, like Atkins recommended
atkins literally said to eat unlimited proteins and not to worry about the percentage, Taubes was the one who really started the keto grift by limiting the protein intake, even his research disproved his shitty diet theory and yet he still shills it.
I'm going to have to ask you to make a 2nd attempt at responding, only this time, providing even a single shred of peer-reviewed research to back your idea that saturated fat doesn't clog arteries, because we have literally tens of thousands of studies showing it does.
>atkins literally said to eat unlimited proteins and not to worry about the percentage,
Lmao did you even read his books? Oh wait I forgot ketolards don't read.
this is literally what atkins said in his book
>Eat liberally of combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs
and red meat, as well as of pure, natural fat in the form of butter, mayonnaise, olive oil,
safflower, sunflower and other vegetable oils (preferably expeller-pressed or cold-
pressed).
here's a link to his ebook
https://www.pdfdrive.com/dr-atkins-new-diet-revolution-d189713833.html
>Oh wait I forgot ketolards don't read.
does this look like keto to you? and judging by this pic you'd probably realize why i think SFA is healthy
I distinctly remember reading in one of his later books that to enter ketosis you need to go low-protein too. Maybe I'm moronic
I kneel.
>I distinctly remember reading in one of his later books that to enter ketosis you need to go low-protein too.
you were probably reading one of Gary Taubes' books, he cited atkins a lot and was the one obsessed about his insulin obesity theory (which later got disproven by his own funded research kek) hence the low protein diet because amino acids like leusine actually trigger insulin response. here's the study funded by NuSi, taubes and attia's institution (even attia sees through the keto bullshit and has slowly distanced himself away from it)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4962163/
>Subjects lost weight and body fat throughout the study corresponding to an overall negative energy balance of ∼300 kcal/d. Compared with BD, the KD coincided with increased EEchamber (57 ± 13 kcal/d, P = 0.0004) and SEE (89 ± 14 kcal/d, P < 0.0001) and decreased RQ (−0.111 ± 0.003, P < 0.0001). EEDLW increased by 151 ± 63 kcal/d (P = 0.03). Body fat loss slowed during the KD and coincided with increased protein utilization and loss of fat-free mass.
tl;dr the fat loss on the keto meme diet is actually slow and the keto group loss their lean mass to be used as glucose via GNG
>the real commu... veganism has never been tried!
>I can't sculpt therefore the numerous beautiful sculptures in the Vatican aren't real
Threadly reminder that your body needs carbs to live so much that it will convert protein to glucose if it isn't fed enough carbs
>need water to live
>if you don't get water, you fricking die
>"uhh dude, actually water isn't essential because your body can manufacture h2o from fat via dry fasting, checkmate watertrannies"
keto is an excellent tool for weight loss but it's really not a sustainable diet. i went from 77kg to 67kg in 2 months when i did keto and have kept the weight mostly down. but it's just an absolute CHORE of a diet to maintain. you can't sleep, your breath stinks like shit, you completely lose your appetite (eating becomes an actual nuisance not something you look forward to) and it's a pain in the ass keeping carb count low.
vegans are just moronic lmao. if you don't want to participate in the killing of animals, just go vegetarian. that way you still have access to bioavailable animal protein like eggs and cheese. most vegans age like absolute dogshit (due to insufficient intake of bioavailable protein) and can't built muscle.
Seitan is more bioavailable than eggs and cheese
You don't eat Satan, stupid.
>Seitan
sounds demonic
>most vegans age like absolute dogshit
I wouldn't know because 99% of people I know look like lard golems after twenty. I'm not vegan, but eat very little fat or meat and I've been mistaken for being in my twenties at the age of forty. Thing is, for a fact I would look even better if I hadn't been eating the traditional western diet this long. I'll never have tight skin at my age because I used to be obese.
>I wouldn't know because 99% of people I know look like lard golems after twenty. I'm not vegan, but eat very little fat or meat and I've been mistaken for being in my twenties at the age of forty.
You don't understand how this works anon.
You're supposed to ignore the countless examples of fat normies who eat lots of meat, because they also eat french fries and corn chips.
You're also supposed to ignore that most of the keto gurus are obese.
What you're supposed to do is screech about anti-nutrients and post pictures of anorexic vegans.
Terry Davis. Is that you?
>university cafeteria offers vegan only sections for all the hippie shits that would faint at the sight of meat
>all the hot b***hes always crowd there
>sit there with study group for lunch
>proclaim I am vegan, too
>order vegan meal like them and gulp it down
>get up and get seconds from normal people side
>come back with plate of meatballs to their horrified faces
>tell them I am vegan plus. I eat everything they eat AND more
>guys laugh, b***hes are mad
Whoa, so epic bro. High five!
And then everyone clapped
My 13 year old daughter is vegan for 6 months, she buys that crap herself with my money while me and my wife eat everything like normal people. I want to beat her or something what do hielp
Make her watch videos of even herbivores eating animals, especially apes eating prey. There are plenty in youtube.
Make her watch that compilation of dying vegans veganism the epitome of nourishment. Or get her to learn about Weston Price. Basic nutrition.
Ask her how did she come to the conclusion that eating vegan slop is good.
Your daughter is saving you money and eating healthy and your response is that you want to abuse her. Gee, I wonder who is in the wrong here? Take a look at the cost of meat anon. Fricking potato and carrot isn't breaking your bank account.
>I CAN NOT STOP THINKING ABOUT BIG BLACK PENIS AND SEX WITH ENDOWED BLACK MEN
we get it already, homosexual