Keto shills will legitimately tell you that this is a healthy meal and that apples are evil.

Keto shills will legitimately tell you that this is a healthy meal and that apples are evil.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In an ancestral enviroment, fat and protein were the kind of nutrients you would eat for weeks after killing an animal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Animal carcasses do not last for weeks you have literally zero idea what you are talking about

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah there were no methods for preserving meat back then
        you shills are getting weaker and weaker

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >smoked meat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >smoke
            >salt
            >salt
            >salt
            >dried meat
            >dry age
            >frozen meat on winter

            smoke and salt, you sausage

            This is definitely the worst board on this website.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >smoke
          >salt
          >salt
          >salt
          >dried meat
          >dry age
          >frozen meat on winter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Don't forget wind dried meat and wind salted dried meat. Lasts forever.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          smoke and salt, you sausage

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >muh ancestrals cured salted smoked meat to preserve it
          >no way they could have preserved plants all they ate during winter was meat that’s all they could have also everyone lived on glacier not next to it I heard it on youtube

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why waste time preserving plants when meat is more nutritious?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Because plants are more abundant and easy to preserve via drying

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's stupid. Plants are not abundant here at all unless farmed by man made farms. Almost all the plants here are toxic to eat and a lot are potentially lethally so. If anyone was here in my area of Canada eating the fucking plants they would have shit to death in a week. Even the berries have only a couple species that won't double you over in diarrhea spraying pain. There's a reason the injuns and pilgrims were eating mountains of fish and wildlife and hard tack or bannock was only used to stave off starvation while lost.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                See

                https://i.imgur.com/rgT1RZX.jpg

                picrel

                , even tundra dwellers eat plants. And I wasn't speaking for just tundra and boreal forest. Although you have cattails, pine nuts, yew berries, mushrooms, wild carrot, edible lichens, edible ferns, gooseberries, blueberries, and bilberries to forage for, just to name the few things I know how to identify as a non-hunter gatherer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don't actually gather, carbtard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I do. Here is me next to a cabbage sized (about 3 lb) chicken of the woods mushroom. Approximately 4860 calories and 283g protein in one shot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/ZAVCMkp.jpg

                fuck I didn't double check my sources. It's 300 calories, 189g protein. Still a lot for one mushroom.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >4860 calories and 283g protein in one shot.
                Yeah no

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Skull on the left is a german during AD era.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Pemmican would like a word with you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the only intellectual itt

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >all the replies to this
          now I understand why reddit cucks have to use /s

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what is smoking, salting, curing, etc

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its hilarious that you say this with such confidence . The best part is you've also outted yourself as a bad or inexperienced cook. What is dry aging, curing, smoking, salting, fuck, some people live in places in the cold in winter where they don't even need a freezer. I've let deer carcasses hang in my shed for a week because its cold enough

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't imagine the smell in your shed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can salt pork and it lasts a year in a jar on your kitchen counter.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe not for a fucking bear or mountain lion.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >kill bison
        >gain 1500 pounds of meat and fat
        >tribe eats 20 pounds total over the course of 2-3 days
        >throw away the other 1480 pounds because it all rotted away
        >hunt another bison and repeat
        You really think this is how it worked? That the lack of refrigeration meant no preservation whatsoever?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How did they gain 1500 pounds if they only ate 20 pounds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            CICO nonsense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The food stores gained the meat and fat, the people ate it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re astoundingly retarded. reread it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Until now I never considered just how bountiful a single successful hunt could be.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you really think
          Imagination is free. Possibility does not negate the probability of reality

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/5TqqT1V.jpg

        [...]
        [...]
        This is definitely the worst board on this website.

        People had refrigeration ages ago, tho.
        They would dig a cellar deep into the ground, gather snow in there, put it under a thick as fuck layer of hay along with whatever they wanted frozen and done.
        In many ways people back then were just as autistic as we are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          First refrigerator was created by persians in the desert. They used evaporation and wind funneling to pull heat away from water. This was so efficient it created ice blocks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            meat doesnt clog anything up you ding dong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in an ancestral environment, fruits like applies had the kinds of nutrients that kept you from getting scurvy or an impaction.

      https://i.imgur.com/w9ew5Fg.jpg

      not even. True Keto means 70% of calories from fat, 20% from protein, and 10% or less from carbs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >fruits
        maybe in Africa
        in Europe you had to eat animals to survive
        you can get vitamin C from livers

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not enough. this paleo dream you guys have of obligate carnivorous humans is adorable.

          Apples store quite well into the cold months, and dandelions were commonly consumed too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not enough
            What did she mean by this?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it takes like half a pound of liver to get the RDI of vitamin C. Even if you average that out over a week, there's no way early humans were eating pounds of liver every week.

              yeah paleo is sooo weird
              much more natural to inject high-fructose corn syrup into children's veins
              monstanto told me grains are superior, weakling diabetic nu-males are the future

              now THAT is a strawman.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                then why don't eskimos all get scurvy then?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they eat herbs too, anon
                https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1302807151028/1534952294430?wbdisable=true
                >First Nations shared their cure for scurvy with European newcomers. The bark and needles of the hemlock or pine tree are boiled to make a vitamin C tonic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so it's impossible to eat enough liver to not get scurvy, but eating bark and gravel is plenty?
                you need to update your arguments if you're going to engage in talmudic pilpul

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                another strawman. I didn't say it was impossible, just unlikely.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >talmudic
                I actually have a food science degree with a nutrition emphasis, along with a luxuriously long and floppy foreskin.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pine tree bark and needles are very high in vitamin c, and that fact has got nothing to do with the vitamin c content of livers.
                anon asked how eskimos avoided scurvy if it's true that liver contains very little, i provided an explanation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not them but dandilion roots taste like carrots. You can also drink pine needle tea or tap many types of trees for sap. Humans mostly eat meat but we nearly always ate some other stuff. Natives would plant the three sisters together and come back and harvest them later. Not eating meat is retarded but so is denying the knowedge of flora that all hunter gatherers but northern ice men know.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                don't educate them, I like the idea of them going into surgery for gutrot caused by a massive impaction from an all-meat diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah cause this happened to all of our ancestors 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it didn't, because they weren't obligate carnivores. And neither are you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah for sure they ate primitive corn and shit 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If they weren't eating the primitive form, then whence came the cultivated form? Do you imagine that they were just cultivating these inedible plants for countless thousands of years, just in the hope that one day they might be able to eat it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mutations happen randomly and more seeds = bigger success. Also better taste/more fruit flesh = bigger chance of getting eaten, shit out and seeds spread.
                Not saying that you're wrong but your argument is stupid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the reason we humans can eat damn near everything is because our ancestors did eat damn near everything. You're not a lion, you're a pig.

                Do you imagine these had any caloric value? 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not a lot but even early hominids knew the important of roughage. In Anthro201 we learned that our ancestors often ate the stomach contents of the prey they hunted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the reason we humans can eat damn near everything is because our ancestors did eat damn near everything. You're not a lion, you're a pig.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lions are morones anyway. Why the fuck would you compare yourself to such a bitch of an animal.
                Better to compare yourself to a grizzly bear or smth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy insecure masculinity batman! A bear is fine, but so is a pig, in the context of my point re: diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                reddit is that way

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Damn. Get the fuck out of here bro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >grizzly bear
                A grizzly bear's diet consists of 90% of plants.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Love plantain and dandelion leaves raw. Got anymore tips like those on wild edibles?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                muktuk

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                seal skin
                extremely high in vitamin C
                they also ate herbs and fruits at least one season a year

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah paleo is sooo weird
            much more natural to inject high-fructose corn syrup into children's veins
            monstanto told me grains are superior, weakling diabetic nu-males are the future

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          apples grow just fine in europe almost all year long

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >apples
            The weird creepy 1:60,000 tree you have to keep cloning. Anon you do know if you plant an apple seed the shit grows up to be a crabapple tree and tastes like fucking ass, right? Apples are a fucking candy we bred. Why the fuck do you think there are only like 20 kinds? Because getting an apple tree is a fucking lottery ticket win that takes 15 years to pay off. Apple trees are freakish spliced clones grown unnaturally.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >your brain on paleolarp

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Google it. Avocados are 1:20,000. The shit does not grow true to seed. If you plant an avocado seed from one you buy it will grow up to be inedible. That's why there are like 2 kinds of edible avocado. Hass is a clone.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy shit I'm googling how to not end up like you morons
                just eat some apples and stfu with your diet autism

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So this is the power of public education. Its openess dead. Its curiosity, gone. Its ability to learn, removed. The lobotomite accepts its slop without question.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're the one who thinks he's got it all figured out stfu bitch ass midwit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Silence, bug.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bitchass

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have to google anything, that'll only make you less retarded and work against your intentions. Boy don't listen to this mouth breather. It's good that some people understand the realities of our agriculture.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No apples were very small and rare and vert bitter and sour. Plus they have cyanide.you only need VIT c if you eat carbs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wild animals aren't fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >blubber

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have proved nothing and he is correct

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but they have fat. Even lean venison is 3.2% fat, and they also have subcutaneous fat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Deer fat tastes like fucking earwax though. You gotta kill bear for good fat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            missing the point

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can confirm.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wild animal’s definitely have fat. That guy was baiting you and you fell 4 it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Looking at percentage of calories, more than 50% of the calories of a typical patty of ground bison come from fat.
        ok

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >patty of ground bison
          Sounds very ancestral. Tell me more about how our ancestors took all the fat and grinded it up with low quality cuts to make patties 🙂

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >oh I forgot our cavemen ancestors had meat grinders and grills to make burgers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In an ancestral environment you would eat all the free plants and fruit you can find while hunting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And die from poisoning.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah there are so many wild fruits. I almost saw a whole berry once.

          If you gave me a day, I would be able to find 1000 calories of mushrooms, dandelions, wild carrots, acorns, and wild onions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            picrel

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >not a single group eats only meat
              >plane dependency as high as 55%
              carnitards btfo, I guess you have some mental gymnastics to do now in your reply, go ahead

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wild carrots originally are extremely toxic.

            Unripe acorns are thought to be the most toxic, but ripe acorns and oak leaves can also cause poisoning

            This retard thinks people went around eating raw onions.

            Have fun eating flowers and leaves you can't digest retard

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Wild carrots originally are extremely toxic.
              They aren't, you're thinking of the lookalike, poison hemlock, which any good forager is aware of.
              >Unripe acorns are thought to be the most toxic, but ripe acorns and oak leaves can also cause poisoning
              There are traditional ways to leech the tannins out. You're supposed to mash acorns then leave a bag of the mash hanging in a fresh stream.
              >This retard thinks people went around eating raw onions.
              >Have fun eating flowers and leaves you can't digest retard
              I never said to eat everything raw. I only said that it's pretty easy to find free calories by foraging, especially now that in modern times, few people know or want to forage.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Unripe acorns are thought to be the most toxic, but ripe acorns and oak leaves can also cause poisoning
              You can just leech the tannins out with water.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah there are so many wild fruits. I almost saw a whole berry once.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ancestral environment
      Explain what this is without relying on baseless 'theories' put forward by atheistic evolution worshipping lefty scientists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don’t know shit about “ancestral environments”

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do you have an argument here or are you just saying "listen to your cultural bias"

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm unironically considering keto right now so I don't have to bother with intermittent fasting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keto is just fasting but without the muscle loss. Go ahead.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm unironically considering keto right now so I don't have to bother with intermittent fasting.

        I've done keto. The problem is you gain it back. You also don't have the energy to exercise. I would just consider maybe doing a few keto meals a week and the intermittent fasting still works but just work on long term lifestyle changes. Force yourself to have a salad for dinner a few nights a week. Eat your veggies and fruits. Try to limit your bread. As an american its very easy to eat some variation of bread, meat, and cheese every meal. I try to limit myself to red meat 2x a week and I only eat the deer I kill and maybe a filet every so often and this time around I'm just 'cutting' aka CICO and I'm losing weight slower but I feel my stomach is shrinking and I feel better about myself and my lifestyle change as opposed to keto where I was just waiting to gain it all back.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't really have weight concerns as I weigh 50-55kg for 175cm. Just trying to act before insulin resistance inevitably kicks in and I become a sad 40 years old with a messed up body.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Force yourself to have a salad for dinner a few nights a week. Eat your veggies
          I dont get why people fall for this. I barely eat vegetables and eat meat every day and oatmeal in the morning (so no not ketotard), never been fat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            veggies are good for you. Not a lot of calories but you can eat more quanity. They also have vitamins & shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you are telling me you did a diet called keto where you just cut the essential macro for readily stored energy carbohydrates from your meals making your body go survival mode and scavenge itself just to get out of bed or think and breathe and you even lifted on that situation? good for you bro.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mind over matter

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              keto is for roid chuds or soi men, which of these are you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You will never make it, Moexyte.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I eat mostly potatoes like the rest of the world has for eternity

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Keto doesn't mean to be on caloric deficit. Why you retards find it hard to understand?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ?
          It's crazy you believe in CICO and then say "CICO works... unless it's keto" to fit the agenda. The mental gymnastics are crazy. Some people operate better off of low carb, some people don't. I can train BJJ and lift (on alternating days) and still have energy to move and process logs on the barn on the weekends and I run low carb most of the time. Some people get puffed out if they aren't on 200g of carbs minimum. I find it's better for me cuz I'll carb crash instantly if I am not eating a bagel every hour, so I have steady energy even if I'm less excitable when I'm carb deprived. Keto also doesn't mean you have to guzzle bacon fat and cheese, I primarily eat fish and higher protein meats and cheeses like chicken breast and cottage cheese, as well as cruciferous veggies, and I'm pretty much in ketosis most of the day.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I left weights and do calisthenics. My performance has improved after getting on keto. I lost all the bloat. Gut problems and even my face looks much younger and healthier.
          I am on Ketosis and I feel energetic. You need time to adapt. Make sure to consume enough fats.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Keto is just fasting but without the muscle loss
        >without the muscle loss
        lol good one
        on keto, you can barely maintain what muscle you already have with resistance training.
        with no resistance training you will rapidly lose muscle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ignore the studies
          >listen to my retarded drivel instead
          Fasting causes extreme muscle loss.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're both right. Fasting is the quickest way to lose muscle bar none, but keto is right behind it (regardless protein intake). Even 50g CHO/day is very anti-catabolic, refer to Lyle McDonalds work on keto diets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is non-sense. Muscle loss occurs as a result of a calorie deficit once carbohydrates are consumed and lipolysis cannot address the energy deficit.

        in an ancestral environment, fruits like applies had the kinds of nutrients that kept you from getting scurvy or an impaction.

        [...]
        not even. True Keto means 70% of calories from fat, 20% from protein, and 10% or less from carbs.

        Keto is not "10% or less of carbs". It's none. 10-25% are the boundaries of "low carb".

        then why don't eskimos all get scurvy then?

        They consume raw meat which contains mild vit. C. If they cooked their meat they would get scurvy.

        The problem with the keto diet is it is reactionary. In the 50s fat was bad and carbs were good. It turns out having the diet suggested by the USG of 60% carbohydrate leads to a lot of health problems. The inverse of this is not "Healthy". Too much fat, even good fats, can cause problems. For example, keto gays will say "LDL being high isn't bad it's about particle size!" which is only partially true. Your body will store fat in your arteries anyway. Everyone's does. When you consume too much it's gotta go somewhere and your coronary arteries have plenty of room.

        This isn't to say CICO is the answer. A healthy well balanced diet in accordance with your level of fitness and effort is the answer. Not all calories are equal. High carb is more effective for energy demand. You will never find an elite athlete doing keto. That alone should tell you it is a diet for single wine aunts trying to lose weight and not anyone who takes fitness seriously.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Finally, someone who's not entirely neurotic, not that wny ketoanons I've seen here were NEARLY as neurotic as our vegan friend here.
          No shit full-blown keto isn't going to soothe you well if you lift, carbs are good for that explosive energy. It's why sports drinks like Powerade work sit well with athletes, they actually burn all that sugar with their activity, but the average dopeass drinking sugary drinks like powerade is at least skinnyfat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >This isn't to say CICO is the answer.
          CICO has always been proven to do just one thing.
          Make you skinnier, which it does, it's able to be proven. If you count calories and eat below the calorie amount you had the day before, you will eventually lose weight.

          CICO doesn't account for health at all, most of the benefits of it are simply fat people being less fat. Which has huge returns on making you feel better.
          Everything after can be debated from here to eternity.

          People shill ancestral arguments all day long about muh meat or my carbs. I can also tell them they are all lying.
          My ancestors, mine personally? in the black forest of germany?
          They had cheese, meat, berries, roots, mushrooms. Roots were a big part of my ancestors diet especially in winter for months when food got scarce. So any argument that carbs are bad because "muh ancestors" didn't eat them. Is negated.
          My ancestors ate carbs.
          They also drank milk.
          They also ate meat.
          and they ate fruit.
          It worked for 50k+ years and why wouldn't it continue to work now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you. Retards who still don't understand that CICO is a principle and NOT a diet drive me insane.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yep, CICO was never a diet.
              It's just a tool. It is just a way to measure energy expending. It's no different than using MPG to speculate how long until you run out of fuel on a half tank.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you. Retards who still don't understand that CICO is a principle and NOT a diet drive me insane.

                CICO is not truth.

                Ever heard of the thermic effect of food? CICO, as practiced, does not account for it. CICO is a diet. It says "eat whatever you want as long as you're under your calories".

                You are fucking retarded. Try again. Suppose your TDEE is 1700, with your workouts its 2400 and you eat 2100 calories worth of ice cream. Will you lose weight? Yes. Will you get diabetes? Also yes. The DIET part of CICO is eat whatever you want. Stop fucking shilling nonsense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you can just say you're a retard and don't understand how to count m8.
                it would be simpler than the bullshit you're spewing as a cope.

                I even clearly said
                >cico doesn't account for health at all

                >This isn't to say CICO is the answer.
                CICO has always been proven to do just one thing.
                Make you skinnier, which it does, it's able to be proven. If you count calories and eat below the calorie amount you had the day before, you will eventually lose weight.

                CICO doesn't account for health at all, most of the benefits of it are simply fat people being less fat. Which has huge returns on making you feel better.
                Everything after can be debated from here to eternity.

                People shill ancestral arguments all day long about muh meat or my carbs. I can also tell them they are all lying.
                My ancestors, mine personally? in the black forest of germany?
                They had cheese, meat, berries, roots, mushrooms. Roots were a big part of my ancestors diet especially in winter for months when food got scarce. So any argument that carbs are bad because "muh ancestors" didn't eat them. Is negated.
                My ancestors ate carbs.
                They also drank milk.
                They also ate meat.
                and they ate fruit.
                It worked for 50k+ years and why wouldn't it continue to work now.

                So fuck off with your blatant screeching like a fucking woman.

                Obesity is the number one cause of all preventable diseases on the planet.
                It is the easiest way to save cost to every single first world country on the planet. It also vastly reduces resources taken away from the planet.
                If you're against CICO as a tool to be used to maintain a reasonable. A REASONABLE weight.
                You need to be castrated to ensure you can never spread your retardation again.

                I don't give a shit if they eat 2k calories of beef or 2k calories of ice cream. I don't give a fucking shit.
                Because it's still 2k calories and a skinny person with diabetes is still going to save us more money than a fat person with diabetes who has additional complications.
                So fuck out of my thread you god damn garden gnome.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They had cheese, meat, berries, roots, mushrooms. Roots were a big part of my ancestors diet especially in winter for months when food got scarce. So any argument that carbs are bad because "muh ancestors" didn't eat them. Is negated.
            The fruit and roots your ancestors ate are NOTHING like the fruit and roots we eat today.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, it had more fiber back then 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And more vitamins and far less sugar and they were all much smaller and harder to come by because people weren't farming them en masse all year round. Comparing eating modern giant sugar-filled fruit every single day all year long to seasonal foraging of ancient fruit is beyond dishonest.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do vegans seethe about bacon so much? You know there are lower calorie lean beef cuts too if you're cutting? Chicken breast? Lean fish? Low fat cheese?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do vegans seethe about bacon so much?
      They hate Curtis for he spoke the truth.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Recipe? Is this just bacon wrapped around brie? Do you pre-cook the bacon first?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's so depressing how the only nutrition discussion on this board is people explaining basic facts to vegans. I think zoomers are just incredibly ignorant and that's how they fall for fad plant based diets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used to judge them or think it was ironic when they would say 'is this real' but they all grew up terminally online and are complete idiots. They are supposed to know about technology but they just know color icon button does this and are pretty much on par with boomers are far as idiocy when it comes to technology. They don't understand >90% of the internet is AI/Bots/Manufactured crap as well as the news and they're nothing but sheep minions in the machine. They are easily brainwashable and don't even know when they're being brainwashed because they've been indoctrinated their whole lives. They are apathetic, suck at lifting, and the sad little ones that do try and 'wake up' just watch youtube videos without realizing most of these people are snake oil salesmen. Fuck E-Celebs. Fuck Zoomers. Fuck idiots. So sick of this shit. Society is so fucked.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ive been eating steak and eggs for the past year and I feel fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so you last took a shit in January?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's just that efficient

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I can hear their bones rattling inside their comically large pants.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      many heart attacks are sudden and come without warning symptoms. good luck anon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They tend to come from eating goyslop and sneed oils.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >left CICO
          >right CICO

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The truth

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what's your point? are you aware that you can actually heat a diet that falls in between those two extremes? i swear to god why do people on this board have to min-max everything for no reason

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you can't do a diet that's only a bit keto. it doesn't work for obvious reasons

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i'm saying keto AND goyslop are equally trash. just eat meat, dairy, fruit, vegetables and whole grains in reasonable portions, jesus fuck how is this so hard. nice trips though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Remove whole grains and replace it with tubers.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you can't
              why?
              >obvious reasons
              such as?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon but he's saying that because keto diets are designed to induce the process of ketosis in your body, which is like a light switch - it's either on or off. and you can't achieve that without a full keto diet. the part that keto fans leave out is that it's debatable whether ketosis is safe for your body for long stretches of time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                your body will run on carbs instead of ketones according to advocates of the diet
                you'll end up doing some low carbs diet, which is fine if you want to avoid insulin-related problems but very different because you're still flirting with hypoglycemia every now and then

                your body will always run on glucose you stupid fucking idiot you ketomorons really need to be perma banned from this board
                you will ALWAYS have blood glucose, you will ALWAYS run on glucose, and if not eating much carbs you will also run on ketones, even on a 0 carb diet you will still run on glucose, there isn't a 0-1 binary metabolic state it's more like a dial
                you can never run on JUST ketones

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And what happens to excess glucose in the body? I'll give you three guesses.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                your body will run on carbs instead of ketones according to advocates of the diet
                you'll end up doing some low carbs diet, which is fine if you want to avoid insulin-related problems but very different because you're still flirting with hypoglycemia every now and then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm well aware that you don't have to do extremes. I don't even plan to go full keto mode myself, I'm just gonna lower my carb intake until my body burns off enough fat and leans up. I mostly just want to piss off the vegan Janny's Pet.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >unlimited calories

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I love how ketolards shit on CICO even though they unknowingly apply it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Carb Chicken:
            >Thinks he's a majestic bird of prey
            >eats seeds and millet from the hand that feeds him, becomes a fatty meal for his owners
            >CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK
            >thinks shooping a supposed "ketolard's" head onto a drawing of his own body is a gotcha
            Keto Kestrel:
            >Carbs are barely ever necessary, gets them from his prey's innards
            >Catches his own prey
            >A humble, but great bird of prey

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kek, the /fit fags are seething hard on this thread. All those carbs do mess with their hormones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Post bloodwork

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’d like to include these two ching chongs in my harem.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is wrong with this picture? Provided the bacon is real and you made it yourself and so is the mozzarella. Both are incredibly easy to make from scratch. So long as something isn't corporate mass produced goyslop.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      literally nothing wrong
      just vegan trolls with ruined dopamine centers and blood thicker than sludge from being pre diabetic and sickly

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not keto, and I probably wouldn’t say bacon is very healthy simply because of all the salt, but this better for you than gr**n products

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Vegan shills (actually, just a vegan shill) will actively do their best to dissuade you from doing the keto diet because keto + CICO will actually make you lose fat instead of muscle, unlike veganism.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      veganism is a lot better for the environment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah, this is soooo regenerative and healthy for the environment.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      now let's see this replicated on other animals like humans

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Already did.

        https://i.imgur.com/w7q4fgx.png

        They tend to come from eating goyslop and sneed oils.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >already did
          no
          that's just an image some idiot made
          post a study using humans as subjects none of this rat shit

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    carbs are evil

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that all diets are CICO
    CICO is a physical law not a diet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A gram uranium is roughly 20 billion calories. If our body could theoretically digest this without dying would we gain ≈6 million lbs?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Different sort of calorie.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Calories in is. Calories out is a different issue entirely.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can you show otherwise than any of the facts on that picture state?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody is telling you to eat nothing but McDonald's, ketolard. However, it is an undeniable fact that CICO is what's gonna determine whether you lose or gain weight.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mmmmm yes, it's working swimingly for the public at large old chap. Perhaps our stomachs all just need their bunson burner flames reignited so they work more like the retarded calorie measurement protocols scientism has told everyone is infallible. Perhaps that's all it is old chap.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The public at large is clinically retarded and grossly underestimates how many calories they consume every day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my small yet lean physique after 5 months cutting 25 lbs on a diet of water+whey protein shakes, greek yogurt, turkey deli slices, stouffers microwave salisbury steak meals, twinkies, and small ice cream cones.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you got some pussy ass forearms dude

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Looking great feller

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >stouffers microwave salisbury steak meals
          Mm! Plastic!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nice cope, lardass.
        Lmao when I was at my skinniest I was eating whatever I wanted from the college dining hall and managed to have 4%BF because I counted calories and did cardio

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And then everyone clapped

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks pretty good. Would eat because I'm not a gay. Why is op always a gay?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    going keto accelerated my lactose intolerance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keto accelerated my hairloss

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Going keto killed Jeremy, my dad.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >happens
    >40 replies ITT dissapear
    >5 threads on IST and 4 threads on IST dissappear

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a mod, aren't you Moxyte? That probably explains why based posters like the "She could lose some weight" anon get banned while gays like you roam around scott-free.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ketoschizo aren't you currently banned as pictured above? You're ban evading? Neat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Who tf are you talking about?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Checked trips of truth proving moxyte is a gay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't want to be the lardass jannygay plebbitor 'moxyte' right about now
        Not that I would want to be him/they anyways, but especially not right now

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you going to use your magic keto crystals to curse him with common keto meme diet side effects like hairloss and erectile dysfunction?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keto is an obvious meme diet/food industry ploy thats targeted towards already retarded fatoids that would rather believe in any dumb shit besides consuming less calories and exercising

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jordan Peterson said an all beef diet cured him of many ailments.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and he also had a mental episode and almost died because he drank apple cider while on that same diet.
      Too bad the all beef diet couldn't cure him of his benzo addiction lmfao.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I can smell your room from here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Its possible to criticize a fake-Christian, physicalist, closeted postmodernist grifter and also have a clean room.
          I can smell your dirty penis from here.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like you are a limp-wristed fuckboy to me.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Robert Atkins medical record at the time of his death. He's relevant because Keto is actually making more money than ever now with all the supplements and nestle keto snacks and alternative zero-calorie sweeteners that make you obese and fuck your gut up.
    >258lbs weightloss guru
    >2002 had a heart attack while selling out seminars about how to not get a heart attack
    >"MI" for myocardial infarction
    >"CHF" for congestive heart failure
    >"HTN" for hypertension
    >fad has never died in america and now we see more fat americans than ever telling you the secrets to losing weight (no fruits and veggies, more bacon)
    Last time I posted this they said Atkins wasn't "real" keto. I also see carnitards claim they assassinated him and faked the medical report even though just 3 years before his death he was on camera severely obese. Then they have a hyperfixation on vegans even though vegans are lean despite their stupid morality system, unless they gorge on peanut butter. I think you just need a diet high carb, moderate protein, low fat. Everyone knows this makes you lean except fat americans.

    You will never see a Japanese person say "oh that's carby"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Complex vs simple carbohydrates

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You will never see a Japanese person say "oh that's carby"
      And yet diabetes in Japan is rising rapidly despite their thin appearance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keto fad actually died twice because it could not substantiate any of its health claims. Then Nina Teicholz borrowed from tobacco industry playbook and went full conspiracy theory. She didn’t even attempt to prove that saturated fat and meat is good for you, instead she sowed FUD that all research is corrupt and bad and all evidence is weak. That revived it. It confused the hell out of people.

      Gary Taubes was the last one actually trying to prove that keto/low-carb is superior. He ended up disproving himself and shortly after bankrupting his company. These days he won’t even debate his insulin-obesity theory because he knows it is wrong as it is already been proven to be wrong, but keeps implying it’s right anyways in social media.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >buying packaged food that is advertised as healthy

      Never once.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >supposed “leaked” documents, nothing official ever released
      >widow said no autopsy done
      >widow said he had cardiomyopathy caused by a virus
      >Atkins foundation said its bullshit
      >lives to 72
      >died during surgery

      Lots of doubts here. Even said if it is true, so many other factors play into this.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    See:

    >what is smoking, salting, curing, etc

    >smoke
    >salt
    >salt
    >salt
    >dried meat
    >dry age
    >frozen meat on winter

    Don't forget wind dried meat and wind salted dried meat. Lasts forever.

    There are many methods of non-refrigeration-based preservation and people back then generally weren't as anal about "food safety" as we are today. They weren't going to toss out meat just because the color went slightly off like people do now, if it wasn't rank and rotting it was still fair game.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most proponents of keto recognize that dairy is not all that great to have all the time and monogastric animal meat (pork, chicken) is generally less healthy than ruminant meat (beef, bison, elk).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice pivot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only retarded fad followers do the whole "bacon and cheese on everything" routine. People who actually see keto or carnivore as a permanent lifestyle see bacon and cheese/dairy as treats while ruminant meat and eggs are the true staples of the diet. Stop making snap judgements based on retarded memelords and actually research into how full timers approach their way of eating. What OP is doing is like showing a picture of some crossfit retard hurting themselves doing some stupid routine with terrible form and then saying that going to the gym is extremely dangerous and no one should do it because they're guaranteed to get injured and die.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Didnt read. You are coping

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >didn't read
            >somehow knows the content of my post
            Retard.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >read previous post
              >its cope
              >make post mocking previous post
              >responds
              Hmm how could I have even guessed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then remain ignorant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'll remain right thanks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >bacon and cheese
          lol no we in the keto community know that is not shuperior nutrition
          >butter, eggs, steak
          Ahh now that is shuperior nutrition. The VEGANS!!!!!! will never know the amazing quolity of 30% DV of vitamin A in 2000 calories of butter.

          ...

          I AM THE ALPHA WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I AM SILLY!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >30% DV of vitamin A in 2000 calories of butter
            >0% DV of vitamin A in 2000 calories of vegetable oil
            Wtf I thought margarine was good for us?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Beef Tallow on your skin is good, low nonsense and affordable.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    keto is such a fucking meme

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    First, post foreskin or weight loss.

    Second, killing animals and eating them was the human way of living, not fucking chucking oatmeal with manmade Mut bananas.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You sound mad bro.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do vegans really wish cancer to normal humans? (or "meat eaters" as they call them)

    i keep seeing vegans wishing colorectal cancer to anyone who refuses to join their cult
    then if you point out that their beloved "study" has been debunked, the standard response is "enjoy your cancer murderer"
    is this standard vegan behaviour or are they just a loud minority?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the cancer argument only correlates with foods sitting in your digestive system too long and rotting.
      Excessive meat can clog you up pretty bad, but if you're eating fruits/potatoes like you're suppose to you're not going to have an issue shitting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        do vegans really wish cancer to normal humans? (or "meat eaters" as they call them)

        i keep seeing vegans wishing colorectal cancer to anyone who refuses to join their cult
        then if you point out that their beloved "study" has been debunked, the standard response is "enjoy your cancer murderer"
        is this standard vegan behaviour or are they just a loud minority?

        Ray peat says tryptophan can turn into carcinogens in the body. So vegans are right sometimes. IIRC higher ratios of glycine can off-set the carcinogens.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The final redpill on food is that no form of extreme diet is sustainable and healthy in the long term, the only exception being the civilizations that adapted to scarcities in their respective environments over thousands of years. Eat a varied, well rounded diet of animal protein, high quality fats, high quality carbs, vegetables, and fruit. Listen to your body's response when eating certain foods. No diet that is healthy for you should make you feel like shit (ketofags literally call it "keto flu", or leave you deficient in any way (vegans being deficient in b12 and collagen among other things). Literally just use common sense and you'll be alright.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >apples are evil.
    First time reading the Bible, champ?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So self unaware.
      Show me where it says apple in the bible.
      I'll wait.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Human were not meant to consume milk as adults you fucking retard. I am a ketchad and I don't consume diary.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mogged by mongolians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that's true why can I digest milk?
      Quite efficiently I might add.

      Some people get IBS from eating meat, are you saying humans are not made to eat meat?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look at humans 12,000 years ago. Their diet was base on MEAT. What I am saying is most people are lactose intolerant because adult humans started consuming dairy just couple of thousand years ago. If you cannot eat meat then you are a small outlier who is abnormal just like a dog who cannot eat meant.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying I'm more evolved than you are.
          Thanks friend. Maybe one day you'll be cucked into having a more evolved child also.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can drink milk and I have been drinking milk since I was born with no problems. However, that doesn't apply to the majority of the population on Earth. Why do you retard think if it is okay for you it is going to be okay for everybody else?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, re-read what you just posted.
              >Why do you retard think if it is okay for you it is going to be okay for everybody else?
              and think hard on that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Homo Habilis > Homo Erectus > Homo Sapiens > Homo Lactus
                Race war when?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Only homo is you, Homo moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i think you have the wrong person anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Race war between lactose intolerant and milk drinkers.

                If milk causes some gay to break out in acne and have terrible gas, he will be less likely to pass on his genes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lactase persistence is a dominate trait, at this point it can't be passed on far enough because not enough people in the world have evolved to be considered human.
                That's why most of africa and asia are lactose intolerant.
                literally a few thousand years behind the rest of humanity.
                there is a strain of bacteria that goes from all the way to europe to all the way to mongolia that has a correlation with lactase persistent people.
                all it could have taken was that one bacteria to go into africa maybe and morons might be on mars right now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thats not how gene inheritance works

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >being less sexually desirable does not impact gene inheritance
                >gene inheritance does not depend on successfully having sex
                Are you retarded?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thats literally not what you said but ok buddy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Someone with persistent acne and smelly gas will have a much harder time courting a mate.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Quantify that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I can't turn that into numbers. Maybe you meant to ask me to quaLify that? It's pretty simple: Would you rather have sex with someone who has persistent acne and smelly gas or with someone who has clear skin and smells nice?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't turn that into numbers
                Opinion discarded

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're a weird guy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Alright buddy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keto vs nonketo when
                t. ketobrainfog
                We keto chads might lost though, I can barely stand and can't think on this diet
                t. Keto chad

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i think you have the wrong person anon.

                kek
                keto gay so brain dead he can't even respond to the right person.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Look at humans 12,000 years ago
          What humans 12,000 years ago? What written records do you have of their diets? Are you one of those retarded monkey evolution morons who thinks that humans were cavemen 12,000 years ago?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah thats where they got 100+ grams of fiber per day that we know factually from fossilized human stool right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look at humans 12,000 years ago. Their diet was base on MEAT. What I am saying is most people are lactose intolerant because adult humans started consuming dairy just couple of thousand years ago. If you cannot eat meat then you are a small outlier who is abnormal just like a dog who cannot eat meant.

      You know humans invented ways to lower/remove lactose from milk. There are plenty of keto friendly dairy options.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I am aware of that. I myself use them. My point is people need to know what humans used to eat for hundred of thousands of years to get an idea of what your body is supposed to rely on. We are hunters, our diet should be dependent on Meat, not grains or retarded vegetables who you can barely absorb any nutrients from it. Grains are still Ok as long as you don't over consoom.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          but you can absorb everything found in milk.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >My point is people need to know what humans used to eat for hundred of thousands of years
          You have no idea what people ate for 'hundreds of thousands of years'. Just give up already.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I am aware of that. I myself use them. My point is people need to know what humans used to eat for hundred of thousands of years to get an idea of what your body is supposed to rely on. We are hunters, our diet should be dependent on Meat, not grains or retarded vegetables who you can barely absorb any nutrients from it. Grains are still Ok as long as you don't over consoom.

      >I am a ketchad and I don't consume diary.
      >I myself use them.
      hmm

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes*
        But they are not part of my diet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes*
        Until recently I stopped consuming dairy because of my dandruff.
        But they are not part of my diet.

        but you can absorb everything found in milk.

        Yes, your body absorbs it, that doesn't mean there are no drawbacks.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes, your body absorbs it, that doesn't mean there are no drawbacks.
          The same can be said about meat.
          You do realize that all things and i'm not going to sugar coat this so I'll say it again.
          ALL THINGS come with a potential positive and negative depending on how they are used.

          So I will say it again.
          Do you have any proof that milk is worse for me than meat? not for you.
          For me.
          Do you have any proof?
          If

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea what Leto is and I’m too afraid to ask. I have no idea what OMAD is, what GOMAD is, what SS means, what 1/2/3/4 means, how roids work, how test is injected(?), what other meme diets mean. I just eat eggs for brekkie, have a fruit/nut/milk smoothie for lunch, and have stir fry or grilled meat, potato, and veg for dinner. I’ll eat sweets on special occasions or when I find mum’s secret stash (i.e. every day).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      omad is one meal a day
      gomad is gallon of milk a day
      test is injected directly into your ballsack

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes it's better to keep it simple

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still shilling meme diets in 2022 is utter cringe.
    Dumbfucks who fall for this shit when they can get the same result eating smaller portion of whatever shit they were eating before.

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