that's because dumbasses go "it's the best diet you can eat all the bacon you want!" and then they do that and don't eat greens and it's not the "eat all the bacon you want diet"
dipshits go "oh I can eat as much fat as I want!" then drown their 85% ground beef in butter and oil while completely neglecting healthy fats like avocados
Except neither of those is particularly unhealthy. Ground beef drowned in butter is half of French dishes. Beef and fish drowned in lard is the basis of Japanese cuisine. Eating nothing but bacon would still be healthier than a standard diet.
The REAL reason people do badly on a high fat diet is because its full of plant crap like vegetable oils. Vegetable oils are one of the most toxic parts of the modern diet, and you can't escape if you go to restaurants or get takeaway. So retards try to eat "keto" from a menu and end up with foods drenched in oil.
I realise I'm probably replying to skinny-fat vegan activists but it's just fucking tiresome how we have to put up with this sort of nutritional pseudo science on here every day
>Ground beef drowned in butter is half of French dishes.
Not true and you've never been to France. >Beef and fish drowned in lard is the basis of Japanese cuisine.
Lmfao. Japanese consciously avoid excessive oils and fats. The opposite of your retarded fantasies is actually true. >The REAL reason people do badly on a high fat diet is because its full of plant crap like vegetable oils. Vegetable oils are one of the most toxic parts of the modern diet
Another fat moron watches Chris Knobbe's retarded 40 minute presentation (the most learning you've ever done past high school) and thinks he's some sort of diet guru now.
Not even a single claim Knobbe makes can be substantiated, especially that "nobody" had atherosclerosis (heart disease) before 1900. There are plenty of ANCIENT to modern autopsies showing the opposite.
>I realise I'm probably replying to skinny-fat vegan activists but it's just fucking tiresome how we have to put up with this sort of nutritional pseudo science on here every day
Are the vegans in the room with us now, anon?
Or maybe it's just not everyone is stuffing themselves full of lard, getting zero results and blaming "seed oils". You're fat because you eat too much, exercise too little, and refuse to admit you fucked up.
In the last few years I've read everything from fresh air, dirt, tap water, sleeping too much, sleeping too little, cold weather, hot weather, etc, etc, etc will cause heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots. I'm not longer interested in your gnomish science.
This. I've seen about a thousand different things that "may be linked" to something, it's just white noise now. Shitting on ketolards is always funny though.
This. I've seen about a thousand different things that "may be linked" to something, it's just white noise now. Shitting on ketolards is always funny though.
Maybe stop reading articles made by trend setters. Read actual scientific literature, and learn to understand not only what that particular study says, but how it is flawed.
Notice how I didn't say I'm not interested in your peer reviewed double blind research study science. I said I'm not interested in your gnomish science.
why would the garden gnomes publish that aspirin-covid info in english if they didn't want goys to know?
a quick google search shows that that secret data that you claim they don't want the whites to know, is now widespread across the internet
There are no high quality RCTs on nutrition and health. Admittedly that's because it would be incredibly hard to do, but all the scientific literature is ~~*observational*~~ studies, which are very easy to draw false conclusions from. E.g. vegans live longer than meat eaters. No shit, veganism is a trend in rich countries and more specifically the middle and upper classes of the rich countries. Vegans don't live longer than meat eaters. Rich people live longer than poor people.
>accuses scientists of readily drawing false conclusions from observational studies with myopic data sets >immediately draws a new ad-hoc conclusion himself in the next sentence
The null hypothesis is a vegan diet is not healthier than an omnivore diet. Show me an RCT that can allow us to reject the null hypothesis. Until then it is absolutely correct to state with the current evidence available, vegan diet is not healthier than an omnivore diet.
your hypothesis is that rich people live longer than poor people when controlling for diet, disingenuous-anon, which may be entirely correct, however its rather awkward to make your original accusation, disregard the usual conclusion on the topic, then posit a new hypothesis based on even less data than what you complained scientists reporting on
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rich people have quicker access to healthcare and access to higher quality healthcare. There is far more data for health outcomes between rich and poor people than for vegan diet vs omnivore diet.
I'm not in disagreement with us being omnivores, but I'm from the Show Me state, bitch. You ain't gonna easily convince me it's raining when you piss in my face. Show me the study as I asked earlier
Show me the study that used those particular samples drawing that conclusion.
almost none of these are RCTs and the few that are are mostly not solely nutrition interventions
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>implying you opened even a single one
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
most of these have been parroted by you people for years and ive already many of them as well the many critiques to many of them you delightfully ignore
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>already read*
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>already read*
>I didn't read lol >but i read critiques like 5 years ago
LARPing fag
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you havent bothered to read any of the critiques? heres one regarding the meat colon cancer connection from the WHO IARC report which you seem to reference >Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.
could do the same for all those "studies" but ive got other things id rather be doing. have a good night sir
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
China is low obesity but the population has the highest risk for t2. Curious.
It’s almost as if “health science” is mostly made up of an endless stream of bullshit studies that couldn’t be reproduced if anyone ever actually tried, which they don’t. A trend which has become almost inescapable in basically all soft sciences.
>soft sciences
At least until DEI takes over hard science as well. Then we'll have tons of mathematicians making shit up because they sailed through their degree program by merit of their skin color, or diversity of the week.
>Maybe stop reading articles made by trend setters. Read actual scientific literature, and learn to understand not only what that particular study says, but how it is flawed.
That's not what the average retard does, and I think it's obvious at this point that IST is populated almost entirely by retards. These morons decide to "pay attention to their health" for a few years, which consists entirely of following diet fads (very feminine behavior btw) and after getting whiplash from taking clickbait article headlines seriously, they then declare that
In the last few years I've read everything from fresh air, dirt, tap water, sleeping too much, sleeping too little, cold weather, hot weather, etc, etc, etc will cause heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots. I'm not longer interested in your gnomish science.
>nothing matters because they just change their minds every couple years anyway!!!
and use this as justification for eating whatever they want. It's funny because what they end up eating is unhealthy and they know it's unhealthy, but they gaslight themselves with this shit about >yeah they SAY it's bad for you but they don't even know!
And then they die in their fifties from heart attacks and strokes and the world becomes a marginally better place.
>Don't garden
They're actually starting to hit this one pretty hard in some parts of the world. They're discouraging home gardens and telling you to rely on industrial agriculture because it's "better for the environment".
health science, and particularly nutritional science, are complete memes. they clearly have no fucking idea what is healthy, and barely consensus on what isn't healthy. why they still get funding for 'studies' with more reproducibility issues than psychology is insane
that said, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that using beef patties cooked in butter as a substitute for bread, while completely ignoring vegetables cause 'muh antinutrients', probably isn't good for you
I bought pork loin today because costco had strip loint at 28 per kg, and googled up if it was healthy or not (im losing weight, down 30lbs so far) and i got 10 articles that were all over the place saying either pork loin is lean and fine to eat and 10 more saying pork loin bad you will die from pork.
at this point i have no idea what the fuck they want me to eat
yeah thats pretty much what I did. Been fairing well eatting cans of tuna for lunch, 50grams of protein from some type of meat and as much vegetables as I can eat for dinner.
I do miss eating shitty foods but after i lose all this weight I'll count calories till the end of time to ensure I don't gain this weight again.
>it's the heckin watermelorino making me fat, not my tub of deep fried chicken
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
actually fat people eat the carb-heaviest diets.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They also eat the most fat and protein.
Because they eat the most. Revelationary, I know.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nooooo! Not my carbarinos! My heckin comfy womfy chips and spaghettis! Bill gaytes bought all that farmland for me! Nooooooo!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hmm, I wonder why their favourite food is noodles. I will tell you why - your hunger signals work properly on a high fat diet, and don't work on a high carb diet.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>your hunger signals work properly on a high fat diet
meanwhile every keto advocate is morbidly obese or on steroids
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>or on steroids
Lol the cope never ends. So, pray tell, why are you so invested in if people do "keto"? Are you offended in some way by it?
americans will argue to death with you about the LDL myth while everyone else in the West manages to have meat and eggs in their diet without having to pick apart lipids science to justify their lack of activity (biggest LDL reducer)
garden gnome “science”. No real scientific literature just clickbait articles designed to keep the goy fat and sick. Funny how thy never mention how plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
>plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
lol can't wait to see what horseshit that study pulled to get to that synthesis.
probably counted the sea of goyslop corn and sỎybeans grown for animal feed as not counting towards the meat carbon footprint
Yes, it does depend on the type of agriculture. Proper regenerative cattle ranching is a carbon sink. Raising corn and basedbeans, regardless of whether it's fed to humans or cattle, is always releasing more carbon than it sequesters. Even just tilling the soil releases literal tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Then there's all the fuel that gets burned, etc.
>Funny how thy never mention how plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
That's because it's a demonstrably false claim that you only believe because you read three lines of text overlaid on an image on a racist anime forum which conveniently fitted with both your current dietary habits and preconceived belief system of knee-jerk contrarianism.
60% of these studies cannot be reproduced
I'm still waiting for them to reverse whether or not eggs are good this year, like they did last year, and the year before, and the year before that
lol what. I think you are confusing those dried berries in the freezer with actual raw berries you get in the vegetable section like raspberries, blackberries etc which have very low amounts of sugar relative to fiber.
raspberries
100g
4.4g sugar
7g fiber
if your food has more fibre than sugar.. it isn't going to be high carb haha.
that's because dumbasses go "it's the best diet you can eat all the bacon you want!" and then they do that and don't eat greens and it's not the "eat all the bacon you want diet"
these are the answers to the thread
dipshits go "oh I can eat as much fat as I want!" then drown their 85% ground beef in butter and oil while completely neglecting healthy fats like avocados
yeah i was more talking about just kale and spinach and stuff than avocados but yeah. people treat it like it's for stupid people or like to make a joke out of it and that's fine. i don't fucking care. i hate people. i hate people and i don't give a shit what they do or think. it's just funny because i did keto for 6 months 10 years ago and lost 80 lbs, because i did it right. i wasn't even working out back then just doing a bullshit warehouse job
You forgot the step where 3 weeks into their diet and down 5-10 pounds they get on IST and larp as having lost 150 pounds and go full schizo mode about "CICO is a LIE!" and carbs are the ultimate evil and all of that.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9143438/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024687/
Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease.
In the west they control people with propaganda and nobody is the wiser. "studies", "scientists", "experts", "celebrities". hah. Everybody ate "keto-like" diets before agriculture.
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement considering that most people before agriculture died at the ripe old age of "childbirth" or "lost a fight with an animal / some dude who wanted to fuck my woman".
Of course there's not much record of concern for long term health impacts of poor diet when people didn't live long term you muppet.
haha yeah bro! The diet that human genes evolved around is bad for humans! We totally came up with a better diet and that is why everyone is so healthy and not fat!
WE LIVE TO 01010100 now!! They lived to -12324 in ancient TIMes!#@$
If this is the route you want to take as response let me break it to you that your genes are not meant for longevity, it's conscious intervention that leads to longevity. Natural selection doesn't give a shit if you live forever, it gives a shit how many times you can fuck and pass on your genes. That's literally it.
wouldnt their be an evolutionary advantage to have healthy parents and or grandparents to aid in the development of offspring? why dont women just eat men like spiders?
"evolutionary advantage" is a phrase most misconstrue. if some random whore pops out 10 children and half die because lol oh well, and then half of those go on to do the same, then she is more "evolutionary successful" than families who wait several more years and have only one or two children.
We are the product of our environment. There isn't a way to make it better, no matter how much progressives think otherwise. People are not better off now. People are sick, both mentally and physically. You can't make an environment (the food we eat is one of those things) better for a human than the one we evolved in. You can use technology to survive longer though.
If a hand is shaped by a glove, you can't create a glove that is a better fit for the hand. You can't feed people something better than that which they evolved in, because the evolution shaped them.
It is theoretically impossible to have a "poor" diet if your genes evolved with that diet. The idea that modern humans have a better diet is so absurd that you are probably insane or mentally deranged. Have you been outside? People do not look healthy in any way.
This is just a lame excuse by people holding onto their fake diets. If they are so good, people wouldn't eat all of that junk food. In reality, the diets don't satisfy people, so they cheat, just like humans on their wives and husbands.
I never said modern humans have a healthy diet you strawmanning dickchin. I'd said that thinking you're gonna live forever eating road apples and deer entrails ain't the way. Agriculture isn't the fuckin' issue though, industrialism is. Growing veggies and shit to make bread isn't what made the world balloon, it's the availability of fuckin' tastykakes at 50p at the bodega.
I completely agree with you, however, with that said, it is possible for modern humans to have an amazing diet while fucking it up in all other ways, such as lack of sleep, lack of exercise, too much exposure to media and not enough friends (psychological stuff can have weird ramifications on the body).
its pretty likely their diet was better than post-agricultural humans until very recently since they were taller and stronger-boned than humans from the past couple thousand years, and height is one of the most braindead indicators of nutritional health
also, what the fuck does diet have to do with death by trauma, unless you're implying their diet was so poor that's what caused them to get mauled by bears, in which case I assure you modern humans would still get mauled by bears
>saturated fat has nothing to do with it
Learn to read retard. Also high cholesterol is caused by eating food with a lot of fats INCLUDING saturated fats and trans fats. Fucking gay retard.
It doesn't say that. You're illiterate. It states saturated fat "may" be a "risk factor", which is not the same as something causing something. You lose.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no evidence that suggests animal fats are a risk factor for anything. Plant fats are toxic, plant saturated fats just being less toxic than other forms. I don't understand why people grant so much gravitas to activist-science like this, and none to ancestral wisdom.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you're going to avoid plants you need big pharma to give you some supplements to get your electrolytes and shit, just like the vegans, just different mental illness.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Salts don't come from big pharma retard.
But you are right, you need to consume electrolytes because they are artificially stripped out of the water we drink, so you have to replace them. The water is now unnatural, not the diet.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>plant saturated fats just being less toxic
Go and explain why this is the case then
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's easy to understand if you start with a conclusion (meat is le bad) and design studies that will support that thesis.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't understand why people grant so much gravitas to activist-science like this, and none to ancestral wisdom.
Domestication. They are doglike pseudohumans.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no evidence that suggests animal fats are a risk factor for anything. Plant fats are toxic, plant saturated fats just being less toxic than other forms. I don't understand why people grant so much gravitas to activist-science like this, and none to ancestral wisdom.
>ancestral wisdom is butter coffee, ignoring what your ancestors actually ate, and refusing to eat your body's main fuel source
I briefly looked at your image and agree with keto guy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Same.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, and for 2 million years we died of appendicitis and had to fuck weird unshaven neanderthal pussy. You just want a keto diet so you can justify sitting on your ass and eating chicken tenders meanwhile your magnesium and potassium levels are in the toilet and your fucking testicles struggle to produce 1mg of testosterone per day.
3 weeks ago
sage
keto doesn't affect testosterone production negatively and there's no reason you'd have electrolyte issues.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it fucking does. " high-protein (≥35%), low-carbohydrate diets greatly decreased resting (-1.08 [-1.67, -0.48], p < 0.01) and post-exercise total testosterone (-1.01 [-2, -0.01] p = 0.05)."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35254136/
It jacks your cortisol to the fucking moon and suppresses test. That's why people on actual Keto diets have T levels of fucking 400 while balanced diets would have that same cunt at 800-1000.
3 weeks ago
sage
low carbohydrate high protein diet isn't ketogenic diet.
3 weeks ago
sage
low carbohydrate high protein diet isn't ketogenic diet.
also nice fucking review that goes out of its way not to list age or confounds and scored extremely high for potential bias
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>balanced
another weasel word that means nothing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
keto destroys testosterone, at least 2 mechanisms: higher cortisol suppressing test and low carb->high SHBG-> lower free test.
most anabolic hormone profile comes from diets high in carbohydrates (it's not even close either); most of the cited benefits from keto diets come from reducing them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>most anabolic hormone profile comes from diets high in carbohydrates
what does it feel like to be retarded?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>noooo you can't just trust objective reality AND the science >you must clog your arteries and eat raw meat because Aajonus Vonderplanitz (a garden gnome) said so!
>risk factors may include physical activity
There we go you fucking retards, says right there in the le hecking science that physical activity causes heart problems.
Stop doing physical activity. >this is how retarded muh bad cholesterol/saturated fat tards are
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also Kiribati eats like 30% of their calories every day in saturated fat and they have a lower heart disease death rate than Spain which gets like 50% of their fat into from monounsaturated AND is the worlds #1 consumer of fat in general on average. Spain is also ranked like 170th in the world for heart disease deaths, and kiribati is ranked lower than that.
Meanwhile coutnries like Egypt which eat 1/4 the fat of high fat consumption countries are among the highest in the world for heart disease deaths.
Explain that one anti-fat shills.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ketolard enters another thread to meme about fat not causing heart disease when the rate is a measly 5% difference to Western countries
I notice you didn't mention coconuts being their source of fat because it would make meat look bad.
Eating a few white potatoes boiled with nothing else completely fucks with my blood sugar, and I am pretty sure I am not alone. Anyone who can then just pretend that is OK because "if you eat it with a bunch of other stuff you don't notice it!" is really just lying to themselves.
>dude literally everyone is a dysgenic sedentary mutt with prediabetes >dude you need cholesterol so you should eat copious amounts of heart disease-causing foods
Most people have insulin problems yes, not just diabetes
That was a joke, just pointing out the "essential = fine to have loads!" Logic is on both sides
There are only two natural metabolic states, it's binary, so it not being ketogenic means that following a non-ketogenic diet may be linked to higher risk of heart disease, which we already know. This is not news, this is propaganda.
You either ARE in ketosis, or you're not. Keto is not like veganism, it's something we've all been in before and should be in.
Keto diet is low in potassium so it's better to supplement. I've been eating salty spam and kippers while supplementing with potassium chloride and I've been feeling great. It's not enough calories to maintain weight but I can easily gain with cereal and milk once I reach my goal. It's a lot cheaper than trying to eat enough fat and it's fortified with vitamins.
Why does every meme diet thread seem to have like at most four schizos taking up all the discussion
There's one veganfag, one peatard, one ketolard and one raw carnishart
I can tell because they type the exact same shit every time
And calcium has been linked to cancer. And you can literally die from drinking water.
Stop falling for clickbait. If you nitpick at details, you're going to find something wrong with everything. People losing weight are 100x more likely to die from heart disease caused by McDonald's than heart disease caused be raw meat.
Common sense. Stop trying to argue like a woman and use your fucking head instead of being a codependent gay that needs everything handed to them by someone else.
All this keto, carnivore shit is for gays who decided they hated vegetables when they were 6 and never grew out of it. Kinda like how vegans are all gays who had a Hamster they really liked and now think the natural order of things is literally murder.
Eat a balanced diet, lift weights, and do your fucking cardio. If you aren't doing all of that shit then expect your health to get fucked up sooner rather than later.
"Science" is whoever has the most money to push their products. Essentially, the most profitable foods are always pushed the most. Grain is many thousands of times more profitable than raising cattle on a farm. There are "tech" companies making fake burgers, etc. Science just reflects that because it is nothing more than a marketing tool and retarded blue-pilled left-wing morons lap it up. Classic example is vegan gainfs and his "wife". They are obese and depressed, while simultaneously spouting the "science" proving their diets are superior.
YES, IDIOT, WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS SINCE YOU FIRST BROUGHT IT UP!
Like, are you literal children? Did you fucking miss Atkins? The diet gains popularity because it works for just long enough to generate hype, but after two months you plateau, so not only are you still fat, but now your sweat smells like a paper mill that's downwind from the Guinness world record holder for the largest pile of rotten eggs.
To be fair, this meme does get repackaged every decade with minor modifications and a new name, so it's not too surprising the low-IQ, desperate and gullible among us keep falling for it.
These retards think keto is eating lower carb while still keeping your insulin spiked so you just keep getting fatter. I don't even give a shit if keto isn't the best for gains. It's the best to lose a shit load of fat if you are addicted to sugar.
Nobody mentioned cholesterol either retard but yes LDL cholesterol will fuck your shit up
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hey dumb fuck, what do you think the effect of eating saturated fat which they say might cause heart disease (lik ethey say exercising might) is?
It's increased LDL cholesterol you stupid bitch.
You think you just eat saturated fat and have le heart attack because um saturated fat you dumb fucking idiot?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wait till you learn that the body uses cholesterol to mend wounds and that arteries get lacerated by silica in table salt resulting in the body depositing cholesterol to protect the arteries from sharp particles
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>arteries get lacerated by silica in table salt
new schizo theory?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wait until you learn your body produces it's own cholesterol and you don't need two sticks of butter a day to thrive.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/rCifNXP.png
Wait until you learn your body produces it's own cholesterol and you don't need two sticks of butter a day to thrive.
Plaque is made from glycated LDL, a very specific type of LDL called VLDL, which is made out of polyunsaturated fats. On top of that PUFAs increase insulin resistance, so the VLDL is more likely to get glycated.
https://i.imgur.com/uczfum4.jpg
>noooo you can't just trust objective reality AND the science >you must clog your arteries and eat raw meat because Aajonus Vonderplanitz (a garden gnome) said so!
That's just water weight from glycogen. I can literally increase my carb intake from 200g to 400g and gain 5 lbs of "Lean Muscle Mass."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Plaque is made from glycated LDL, a very specific type of LDL called VLDL, which is made out of polyunsaturated fats.
proof?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11606787/
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11606787/ >In LDLRKO mice, compared with the SFA diet, the MUFA and CARB diets significantly increased atherosclerosis in both sexes, but the PUFA diet had no effect >Compared with the SFA diet, the CARB diet significantly decreased VLDL-C in males and the MUFA, PUFA, and CARB diets decreased VLDL-C and the CARB diet decreased LDL-C in females >Affiliation: Laboratory of Biochemical Geneticsand Metabolism, The Rockefeller University, New York, NY 10021, USA.
Ahh yes, the final boss, the one nutrient we haven't memed as the bad guy
>Monounsaturated fats
It was them all along. Hiding behind saturated fats, sneed oils, carbs, and antinootrients. The avocado was behind it all
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
its a good thing im not a mouse cause i just had a whole jar of olives
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your foaming-at-the-mouth level of aggression is caused by your lack of cholesterol, chubs.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30684788/
>fad diet centered around eliminating one macro from your daily life turns out to have negative effects on your health
Shocking.
Reminder that ketoschizos are the same people that say CICO doesn't work.
See? Some people are literally allergic to carbs, gay: https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/gastrointestinal-disorders/malabsorption-syndromes/carbohydrate-intolerance
Now tell me of a disease other than mental that is similar towards meat.
>some people
Ah yes the classic 1% of people affected by something used as a scapegoat for your retarded ideas.
You sound like fatties that use thyroid problems as an excuse as to why they're 500lbs planetoids.
>vegan schizos
Who the fuck are you even arguing with? I'm not vegan.
Google "lone star tick disease", that's just one that is around in America.
You can develop an allergy to anything, doesn't immediately mean that thing some people have allergies too is automatically bad for consumption by all you nitwit.
I do that all the time. I don't get any negative effects out of it whatsoever.
t. other anon
Well some people are obviously different because if I eat 4 white boiled potatoes with nothing on them and nothing else, my blood sugar goes crazy. Same as eating lots of sultanas, etc. It has been like this since I was a kid and I have never been even slightly overweight.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>my blood sugar goes crazy
So you have a medical condition.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ahh no I don't have a medical condition. White potatoes have the highest GI of any food, so I doubt many people can eat 4 white potatoes with nothing and not experience that feeling, but some people will pretend anything I guess.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't have a medical condition >my blood sugar gets FUCKED the moment I eat a few potatoes
Anon, you have a medical condition.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't because all of those things get checked via blood tests and I have nothing. I just get a rush of blood type feeling to the head which signifies my body has dumped a bunch of glucose into my blood stream quickly, which is the nature of eating high GI foods. They provide a lot of glucose very quickly. Maybe you just aren't aware of it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't >except a few potatoes fuck my shit up
So you got a medical condition lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Proving that carbs only aren't muh healthy diet.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>carbs only
Except nobody here is proposing a carbs only diet? You're fighting windmills, you retarded bitch.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop hiding that you aren't going apeshit and calling everyone a ketoschizo just because they are promoting lesser carb diet, veganschizo can't handle it, boohoo.
Maybe if you ate more meat you would be less of a gay thinking about sucking other people's dicks.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>veganschizo
Is that veganschizo person in the room with us, anon?
>if you ate more meat
I ate 500g of pork today Black.
>sucking other people's dicks
You have a lot of gay thoughts anon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Pork.
That's not healthy meat though, confirmed sóóyboy understanding of meat.
> Posting anime faces of a guy with pink hair.
Totally not gay, gay pig.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not healthy
Don't care. Fuck garden gnomes, fuck muslims and fuck morons.
I'm bigger and stronger than you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Post body, you are literally eating sóoy disguised as a meat. I'm neither of them that you claim, but as far as meats go even a cow, a lamb or a goat is more healthier meal and beneficial than a pig is.
I'm assuming veganschizos who post animu from tumblr are either trannies on drugs or skeletons.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>veganschizos
Where are they? Are they here with us?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You sound just like one and are one. Stop larping as someone who eats meat because clearly, you do not.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T EAT PORK
I can. I will. You sound like a mad garden gnome.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Posts someone else's physique. > Posts a clearly on steroids scruberoni. > Still defending they aren't gay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>trying to diss marky mark >didn't post body
lol why are you barking, dyel?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't get it. According to ketoshitter, you die from vegan diet in a week. But somehow vegans are also everywhere.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The rona was supposed to take the obese, there are more of those mofos than ever.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tranime avatarfagging
lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>complaining about anime on an anime board
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>posting anime on an anime board to discuss anime
Ok
>irrelevantly posting a shot of an anime character as a PFP/avatar
Tranime. You Will Never Be Anime.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So can you go 2 days without eating foods and not experience low blood sugar levels as well? What level of pretending do you need to justify your arguments?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>So can you go 2 days without eating foods and not experience low blood sugar levels as well?
Haven't tried 2 days in a row, but I've done 24 hour fasts several times.
What about it?
>pretending
Not my fault your genes are trash.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
and you feel exactly the same as when you eat regularly? and you can also fly, etc etc...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and you feel exactly the same as when you eat regularly?
Hungry mostly.
What's your point, ketotard?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And the only types of medical conditions only affect the following food types: Dairy (Lactose Intolerance) and Vegetables.
Fuck you schizo. Meat is the safest food out there if you prepare it right.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Meat is the safest food
Who was arguing against meat, you fucking schizophrenic?
Take your meds bitch.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
"KETOSCHIZO!" is only used by veganschizos who are gay, lefitst and weak minded morones who when they hear to add meat to the diet get scared and yell KETOSCHIZO.
CICO doesn't really work other than to lose body mass. Keto doesn't eliminate carbs, it reduces them to < 50g, and the "study" mentioned was not specific to keto.
the laws of thermodynamics, roughly applied to nutrition even though it isn't entirely accurate as the body doesn't necessarily use all of the energy it consumes
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Energy in, energy out, Black. You consume less - you lose weight. You consume more - you gain weight.
Macros are not even in the picture.
>it isn't entirely accurate >the body doesn't necessarily use all of the energy it consumes
In today's episode of "what is": what the fuck is TDEE?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure but you can't accurately calculate any of these things.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can't accurately calculate any of these things
Millions of people around the world do.
Inb4 - (You) try to argue that being off by 1kcal is somehow going to turn you into a fat piece of shit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
mm, anyway, all it determines is how much mass you lose, not specific fat/muscle ratios lost, which is hormone related.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not specific fat/muscle ratios lost
Nobody is arguing about that
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Usually people want to lose fat specifically
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>people want to lose fat
So just eat less?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
mmm, that is part of it, but not the whole story. as an anecdote, if you took steroids while eating less, you would have a better BF percentage, hence achieving a better outcome, as the goal is "best BF percentage at the end of my diet", not "less mass at the end of my diet".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if you took test you would get more muscle
WOW
I guess keto will have the same results as pinning test then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nope, but there is a lot more to it than just eating less, especially once you have finished dieting, as "eating less" is a guide to nothing at that point.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Millions of people around the world do.
lol >being off by 1kcal is somehow going to turn you into a fat piece of shit.
no, but being off by 50kcal will, over time, say a decade or two. and it's slow enough that you and the people around you won't even notice it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>being off by 50kcal will >I'm just going to aim to eat at my TDEE, but constantly be off by 50kcal for two decades
Some other imaginary scenarios, ketoturd?
Im a retard and i have a semi keto related question. If i eat 2 eggs nearly every morning and have a cup of greek yogurt or skyr twice or thrice a week will my arteries clog and heart explode?
imagine the amount of propaganda you have to be fed to equate natural, whole foods that taste good to "eating like pigs" just because the food has fat in it. This is the power of government propaganda. The irony is that the people who eat like pigs are always doing it with high carb diets, not high fat diets. If you do the maths, you will notice this as well. They aren't getting fat eating eggs and rib eye steak, they are getting fat eating massive amounts of potato chips, pizzas, ice cream that is infused with as much corn syrup as possible, etc.
Associated does not equate responsible for
If the majority of people who try keto are overweight which i'll assume they are, they would have a higher rate of heart disease *because they are overweight* and were before keto, for an example of how correlation=/=causation
They controlled for age, weight, smoking, drinking etc as usual. Typical ketolard cope to insist it was anything but saturated fat dropping people dead. When pushed to corner you literally start arguing the people who failed didn't suck as much dick as you did therefore keto didn't work. Hurr they didn't control for number of dicks sucked and semen swallowed therefore can't say it was saturated fat suck more dicks people durr derp derp.
still just a correlation. a very weak correlation at that. when they try to control for confounders they are really just guessing or likely confirming their existing biases
>280 posts in and ketoschizo is calling everyone who disagrees with him a vegan chud >he spent half the thread in a schizophrenic rant against boiled potatoes
I used to do keto and I just looked flat all the time. Didn't suffer too much in performance in the gym but having a candy bar pre-gym and then a good portion of rice or potatoes with my meal afterwards, I look much better.
>Just ask yourself "did humans evolve to consume this" and of the answer is yes then you're golden.
Yes indeed we vegans are right and true paleo is a vegan diet rich in fiber low in fat. This is evident by evolution of our skulls and dentals which have progressively evolved to be more that of a herbivore like horse and less that of a meat eater or even omnivore like bear. We mog even the chimps and gorillas with our fine dentals devoid of prominent fangs which other primates have. We also have excellent molars and jaw mobility for chewing grains.
nonsense pic. human stomach ph is not 4-5. try again without a vegan propaganda source
Both gorillas and humans have a small intestine that is about 6 meters long and a large intestine that is about 1.5 meters long. The only thing lacking in humans compared to gorilla is prominent cecum, and of course gorilla large intestine has more volume. Now pay attention: gorilla is 2-3 times the size yet our intestines are roughly the same size and same ratios. Now go talk to gorillas how they are actually lions. Honk honk.
no its not. try again. gorilla have large colons and cecum for hindgut fermentation. humans do not
"The normal human stomach has a pH which can range from approximately 1-3 but is usually closer to 2. When there is food in the stomach the pH can raise to as high as 4-5. After the food leaves the stomach bicarbonate ions are secreted to neutralize and alkalinize the mixture.Feb 14, 2003"
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=275
Both gorillas and humans have a small intestine that is about 6 meters long and a large intestine that is about 1.5 meters long. The only thing lacking in humans compared to gorilla is prominent cecum, and of course gorilla large intestine has more volume. Now pay attention: gorilla is 2-3 times the size yet our intestines are roughly the same size and same ratios. Now go talk to gorillas how they are actually lions. Honk honk.
>Every single moron goes on the ketodiet >Heart issues start going up >Now keto-tards are joining the conspiracy retards about the covid vaccine and blod clots
If I didn't quit my medical job, I would have went postal.
Pretty much this. Ketards are somehow also antivaxx and extremely conspiratorial. It's a compound mental illness, really. They fuck up their own life and health with their nasty diet and end up blaming everything including water instead of themselves. Sad!
Pretty much this. Ketards are somehow also antivaxx and extremely conspiratorial. It's a compound mental illness, really. They fuck up their own life and health with their nasty diet and end up blaming everything including water instead of themselves. Sad!
It is funny how left vs right goes right down to things like diet as well. I have noticed you gayy authority worshipers are all vegans or high carb or basically whatever the government says is good for you, while us right wingers often go towards carnivore, keto, etc, which is basically the opposite of what the government says is good for you if you look at the food pyramid (dairy and meat at the top).
It is funny how you people are too stupid to realise the government just puts out propaganda in the form of science etc and the government is controlled by big business who profit more from grain than meat. Meat is just a bunch of inbred farmers making a decent wage. Grain is global corporations making billions of dollars. Kellongs etc. You haven't figured this out about life because you have a genetic predisposition to trust the government, and are always wrong because the government is corrupt.
>keto like diet >In the study, researchers defined a low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diet as 45% of total daily calories coming from fat and 25% coming from carbohydrates
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/05/health/keto-low-carb-high-fat-diets-heart-disease/index.html
nice joke study
that's because dumbasses go "it's the best diet you can eat all the bacon you want!" and then they do that and don't eat greens and it's not the "eat all the bacon you want diet"
Except neither of those is particularly unhealthy. Ground beef drowned in butter is half of French dishes. Beef and fish drowned in lard is the basis of Japanese cuisine. Eating nothing but bacon would still be healthier than a standard diet.
The REAL reason people do badly on a high fat diet is because its full of plant crap like vegetable oils. Vegetable oils are one of the most toxic parts of the modern diet, and you can't escape if you go to restaurants or get takeaway. So retards try to eat "keto" from a menu and end up with foods drenched in oil.
I realise I'm probably replying to skinny-fat vegan activists but it's just fucking tiresome how we have to put up with this sort of nutritional pseudo science on here every day
>Ground beef drowned in butter is half of French dishes.
Not true and you've never been to France.
>Beef and fish drowned in lard is the basis of Japanese cuisine.
Lmfao. Japanese consciously avoid excessive oils and fats. The opposite of your retarded fantasies is actually true.
>The REAL reason people do badly on a high fat diet is because its full of plant crap like vegetable oils. Vegetable oils are one of the most toxic parts of the modern diet
Another fat moron watches Chris Knobbe's retarded 40 minute presentation (the most learning you've ever done past high school) and thinks he's some sort of diet guru now.
Not even a single claim Knobbe makes can be substantiated, especially that "nobody" had atherosclerosis (heart disease) before 1900. There are plenty of ANCIENT to modern autopsies showing the opposite.
>I realise I'm probably replying to skinny-fat vegan activists but it's just fucking tiresome how we have to put up with this sort of nutritional pseudo science on here every day
Are the vegans in the room with us now, anon?
Or maybe it's just not everyone is stuffing themselves full of lard, getting zero results and blaming "seed oils". You're fat because you eat too much, exercise too little, and refuse to admit you fucked up.
Cope and seethe retard.
how can you be such a moron? i agree with previous poster, case closed.
In the last few years I've read everything from fresh air, dirt, tap water, sleeping too much, sleeping too little, cold weather, hot weather, etc, etc, etc will cause heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots. I'm not longer interested in your gnomish science.
This. I've seen about a thousand different things that "may be linked" to something, it's just white noise now. Shitting on ketolards is always funny though.
Maybe stop reading articles made by trend setters. Read actual scientific literature, and learn to understand not only what that particular study says, but how it is flawed.
I meant I see the headlines you highhorsing gay moron
Yeah, and those headlines are made by people selling something. Have you ever looked at the study they reference?
Notice how I didn't say I'm not interested in your peer reviewed double blind research study science. I said I'm not interested in your gnomish science.
why would the garden gnomes publish that aspirin-covid info in english if they didn't want goys to know?
a quick google search shows that that secret data that you claim they don't want the whites to know, is now widespread across the internet
Maybe your tongue belongs in my anus
There are no high quality RCTs on nutrition and health. Admittedly that's because it would be incredibly hard to do, but all the scientific literature is ~~*observational*~~ studies, which are very easy to draw false conclusions from. E.g. vegans live longer than meat eaters. No shit, veganism is a trend in rich countries and more specifically the middle and upper classes of the rich countries. Vegans don't live longer than meat eaters. Rich people live longer than poor people.
Show me the study that used those particular samples drawing that conclusion.
>accuses scientists of readily drawing false conclusions from observational studies with myopic data sets
>immediately draws a new ad-hoc conclusion himself in the next sentence
The null hypothesis is a vegan diet is not healthier than an omnivore diet. Show me an RCT that can allow us to reject the null hypothesis. Until then it is absolutely correct to state with the current evidence available, vegan diet is not healthier than an omnivore diet.
your hypothesis is that rich people live longer than poor people when controlling for diet, disingenuous-anon, which may be entirely correct, however its rather awkward to make your original accusation, disregard the usual conclusion on the topic, then posit a new hypothesis based on even less data than what you complained scientists reporting on
Rich people have quicker access to healthcare and access to higher quality healthcare. There is far more data for health outcomes between rich and poor people than for vegan diet vs omnivore diet.
are you purposely being obtuse?
I'm not in disagreement with us being omnivores, but I'm from the Show Me state, bitch. You ain't gonna easily convince me it's raining when you piss in my face. Show me the study as I asked earlier
almost none of these are RCTs and the few that are are mostly not solely nutrition interventions
>implying you opened even a single one
most of these have been parroted by you people for years and ive already many of them as well the many critiques to many of them you delightfully ignore
>already read*
>I didn't read lol
>but i read critiques like 5 years ago
LARPing fag
you havent bothered to read any of the critiques? heres one regarding the meat colon cancer connection from the WHO IARC report which you seem to reference
>Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.
could do the same for all those "studies" but ive got other things id rather be doing. have a good night sir
China is low obesity but the population has the highest risk for t2. Curious.
People that have good diets, low stress, exercise, get good sleep, and have better hygiene live longer. Regardless of wealth status
It’s almost as if “health science” is mostly made up of an endless stream of bullshit studies that couldn’t be reproduced if anyone ever actually tried, which they don’t. A trend which has become almost inescapable in basically all soft sciences.
>soft sciences
At least until DEI takes over hard science as well. Then we'll have tons of mathematicians making shit up because they sailed through their degree program by merit of their skin color, or diversity of the week.
>Maybe stop reading articles made by trend setters. Read actual scientific literature, and learn to understand not only what that particular study says, but how it is flawed.
That's not what the average retard does, and I think it's obvious at this point that IST is populated almost entirely by retards. These morons decide to "pay attention to their health" for a few years, which consists entirely of following diet fads (very feminine behavior btw) and after getting whiplash from taking clickbait article headlines seriously, they then declare that
>nothing matters because they just change their minds every couple years anyway!!!
and use this as justification for eating whatever they want. It's funny because what they end up eating is unhealthy and they know it's unhealthy, but they gaslight themselves with this shit about
>yeah they SAY it's bad for you but they don't even know!
And then they die in their fifties from heart attacks and strokes and the world becomes a marginally better place.
So when you eat a couple of white potatoes by themselves, do you get... that feeling? Should you trust the science, but not yourself?
Do I get what feeling?
Not vaccines though. gnomish pharmaceutical products are safer than what humans evolved doing
Humans didn’t evolve to combat lab-made Chinese bio weapons.
he is being ironic
Don't garden under a solar flair, goy!
>Don't garden
They're actually starting to hit this one pretty hard in some parts of the world. They're discouraging home gardens and telling you to rely on industrial agriculture because it's "better for the environment".
It's pretty weird how frightened they get by people being interested in self sufficiency.
Kek. I can't imagine anyone with a working brain believing any of this. Most humans really are cattle aren't they?
do you fucking hear that you anti sneed oil cultists
multiple RCTs have shown seed oils to increase cancer and or mortality. data that was for some reason "buried" and reanalyzed by dumb luck
gnomish "science" has consistantly been pro seed oil the last 60 years.
> This study doesn't fit into my confirmation bias so I'm going to disregard it.
-ack
No, stop nooooticing, goy
Link the article that says fresh air will cause heart attack, you lying coward.
>may be
Hold the bun
health science, and particularly nutritional science, are complete memes. they clearly have no fucking idea what is healthy, and barely consensus on what isn't healthy. why they still get funding for 'studies' with more reproducibility issues than psychology is insane
that said, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that using beef patties cooked in butter as a substitute for bread, while completely ignoring vegetables cause 'muh antinutrients', probably isn't good for you
Vegetables are a meme, gay.
I bought pork loin today because costco had strip loint at 28 per kg, and googled up if it was healthy or not (im losing weight, down 30lbs so far) and i got 10 articles that were all over the place saying either pork loin is lean and fine to eat and 10 more saying pork loin bad you will die from pork.
at this point i have no idea what the fuck they want me to eat
ignore it all and just eat what you like and can afford
yeah thats pretty much what I did. Been fairing well eatting cans of tuna for lunch, 50grams of protein from some type of meat and as much vegetables as I can eat for dinner.
I do miss eating shitty foods but after i lose all this weight I'll count calories till the end of time to ensure I don't gain this weight again.
>at this point i have no idea what the fuck they want me to eat
What a mystery.
Fuck, literally "eat goy slop and shut up".
Indeed. Obese people are known for their watermelon and kale intake.
Definitely not stuffing pounds of fried meat and chips down their gullet.
>watermelon
>kale
You mean soul food?
>it's the heckin watermelorino making me fat, not my tub of deep fried chicken
actually fat people eat the carb-heaviest diets.
They also eat the most fat and protein.
Because they eat the most. Revelationary, I know.
>Nooooo! Not my carbarinos! My heckin comfy womfy chips and spaghettis! Bill gaytes bought all that farmland for me! Nooooooo!
Hmm, I wonder why their favourite food is noodles. I will tell you why - your hunger signals work properly on a high fat diet, and don't work on a high carb diet.
>your hunger signals work properly on a high fat diet
meanwhile every keto advocate is morbidly obese or on steroids
>or on steroids
Lol the cope never ends. So, pray tell, why are you so invested in if people do "keto"? Are you offended in some way by it?
Obviously you shouldn't bother eating anything but watermelon and kale. Frosted mini wheats are okay in a pinch though
Not even a keto tard, but these studies dont know jack shit about anything
>study
>CNN
nice try carbtard
americans will argue to death with you about the LDL myth while everyone else in the West manages to have meat and eggs in their diet without having to pick apart lipids science to justify their lack of activity (biggest LDL reducer)
just move burgers
Lack of exercise isn't the biggest contributor to the heart disease epidemic
yes it is.
garden gnome “science”. No real scientific literature just clickbait articles designed to keep the goy fat and sick. Funny how thy never mention how plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
>plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
lol can't wait to see what horseshit that study pulled to get to that synthesis.
probably counted the sea of goyslop corn and sỎybeans grown for animal feed as not counting towards the meat carbon footprint
Yes, it does depend on the type of agriculture. Proper regenerative cattle ranching is a carbon sink. Raising corn and basedbeans, regardless of whether it's fed to humans or cattle, is always releasing more carbon than it sequesters. Even just tilling the soil releases literal tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Then there's all the fuel that gets burned, etc.
more LDL more CHD
no clear relationship if you dont cherry pick
What now?
>Funny how thy never mention how plant based agriculture contributes double the carbon footprint of livestock.
That's because it's a demonstrably false claim that you only believe because you read three lines of text overlaid on an image on a racist anime forum which conveniently fitted with both your current dietary habits and preconceived belief system of knee-jerk contrarianism.
60% of these studies cannot be reproduced
I'm still waiting for them to reverse whether or not eggs are good this year, like they did last year, and the year before, and the year before that
just because you do keto doesn't mean you need to go high cholesterol.
>nuts
>fish
>salads
>guacamole
>chia and berries
Berries have too much sugar
lol what. I think you are confusing those dried berries in the freezer with actual raw berries you get in the vegetable section like raspberries, blackberries etc which have very low amounts of sugar relative to fiber.
raspberries
100g
4.4g sugar
7g fiber
if your food has more fibre than sugar.. it isn't going to be high carb haha.
the antioxidants make it worth it.
Avocadobros, cacaobros, we've been forgotten
these are the answers to the thread
dipshits go "oh I can eat as much fat as I want!" then drown their 85% ground beef in butter and oil while completely neglecting healthy fats like avocados
yeah i was more talking about just kale and spinach and stuff than avocados but yeah. people treat it like it's for stupid people or like to make a joke out of it and that's fine. i don't fucking care. i hate people. i hate people and i don't give a shit what they do or think. it's just funny because i did keto for 6 months 10 years ago and lost 80 lbs, because i did it right. i wasn't even working out back then just doing a bullshit warehouse job
Kale and spinach are great it's just most people are retarded and don't realize you're supposed to cook leafy greens.
what's wrong with eating them raw?
spinach is good in salads and baby kale is ok too but those tough fibrous ones are meant to be steamed or put into stew to break down the cellulose.
ah yeah the full grown kale can be pretty rough. it doesn't bother me in a salad though
You forgot the step where 3 weeks into their diet and down 5-10 pounds they get on IST and larp as having lost 150 pounds and go full schizo mode about "CICO is a LIE!" and carbs are the ultimate evil and all of that.
>down 5-10 pounds
water weight, see
they actually think water is bad for you lmao
what is a "keto-like" diet in this case
It's garden gnome speak for "goyim should not eat meat unless it's from bugs"
Any diet leftists don't like.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9143438/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024687/
Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease.
>b-but 4chan told me bacon grease and lard protected me against heart disease!!!
wtf ketosisters how could this happen???
>Dec 21, 2021
He shouldn't have taken the vaccine.
Low carb is the issue here. He was not in ketosis and enjoyed some tasty glycation of his LDL, leading to Atherosclerosis.
nothing wrong with low carb or keto
Damn, that anecdote convinced me
Always do the opposite of what the media says.
CNN being anti keto is definitive proof that keto is based.
In the west they control people with propaganda and nobody is the wiser. "studies", "scientists", "experts", "celebrities". hah. Everybody ate "keto-like" diets before agriculture.
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement considering that most people before agriculture died at the ripe old age of "childbirth" or "lost a fight with an animal / some dude who wanted to fuck my woman".
Of course there's not much record of concern for long term health impacts of poor diet when people didn't live long term you muppet.
haha yeah bro! The diet that human genes evolved around is bad for humans! We totally came up with a better diet and that is why everyone is so healthy and not fat!
WE LIVE TO 01010100 now!! They lived to -12324 in ancient TIMes!#@$
If this is the route you want to take as response let me break it to you that your genes are not meant for longevity, it's conscious intervention that leads to longevity. Natural selection doesn't give a shit if you live forever, it gives a shit how many times you can fuck and pass on your genes. That's literally it.
But do fuckin' go off, "primal".
Have you ever met people over 60? They are asleep most of the time and on 10 different drugs to keep them alive.
wouldnt their be an evolutionary advantage to have healthy parents and or grandparents to aid in the development of offspring? why dont women just eat men like spiders?
"evolutionary advantage" is a phrase most misconstrue. if some random whore pops out 10 children and half die because lol oh well, and then half of those go on to do the same, then she is more "evolutionary successful" than families who wait several more years and have only one or two children.
We are the product of our environment. There isn't a way to make it better, no matter how much progressives think otherwise. People are not better off now. People are sick, both mentally and physically. You can't make an environment (the food we eat is one of those things) better for a human than the one we evolved in. You can use technology to survive longer though.
If a hand is shaped by a glove, you can't create a glove that is a better fit for the hand. You can't feed people something better than that which they evolved in, because the evolution shaped them.
It is theoretically impossible to have a "poor" diet if your genes evolved with that diet. The idea that modern humans have a better diet is so absurd that you are probably insane or mentally deranged. Have you been outside? People do not look healthy in any way.
because they dont follow our wonderful advice to eats lots of healthy whole grains 🙂
This is just a lame excuse by people holding onto their fake diets. If they are so good, people wouldn't eat all of that junk food. In reality, the diets don't satisfy people, so they cheat, just like humans on their wives and husbands.
it was ironic because the actual experiments have shown little if any benefit of whole grains and some potential harms
I don’t care how healthy your diet is, it won’t be so satisfying that you don’t crave the occasional goyslop.
I never said modern humans have a healthy diet you strawmanning dickchin. I'd said that thinking you're gonna live forever eating road apples and deer entrails ain't the way. Agriculture isn't the fuckin' issue though, industrialism is. Growing veggies and shit to make bread isn't what made the world balloon, it's the availability of fuckin' tastykakes at 50p at the bodega.
I completely agree with you, however, with that said, it is possible for modern humans to have an amazing diet while fucking it up in all other ways, such as lack of sleep, lack of exercise, too much exposure to media and not enough friends (psychological stuff can have weird ramifications on the body).
its pretty likely their diet was better than post-agricultural humans until very recently since they were taller and stronger-boned than humans from the past couple thousand years, and height is one of the most braindead indicators of nutritional health
also, what the fuck does diet have to do with death by trauma, unless you're implying their diet was so poor that's what caused them to get mauled by bears, in which case I assure you modern humans would still get mauled by bears
brain case and possibly brain size was also larger before agriculture
They only lived to 5 years old in ancient times because of their diet!
source: trust me bro, it is science!
>80% of your diet is fat
>apparently it's bad for your heart
More at 11
has never been shown. unless you mean fat from "vegetable" oils
bro look up what causes atherosclerosis
saturated fat has nothing to do with it
>saturated fat has nothing to do with it
Learn to read retard. Also high cholesterol is caused by eating food with a lot of fats INCLUDING saturated fats and trans fats. Fucking gay retard.
yeah thats wrong.
It doesn't say that. You're illiterate. It states saturated fat "may" be a "risk factor", which is not the same as something causing something. You lose.
There is no evidence that suggests animal fats are a risk factor for anything. Plant fats are toxic, plant saturated fats just being less toxic than other forms. I don't understand why people grant so much gravitas to activist-science like this, and none to ancestral wisdom.
If you're going to avoid plants you need big pharma to give you some supplements to get your electrolytes and shit, just like the vegans, just different mental illness.
Salts don't come from big pharma retard.
But you are right, you need to consume electrolytes because they are artificially stripped out of the water we drink, so you have to replace them. The water is now unnatural, not the diet.
>plant saturated fats just being less toxic
Go and explain why this is the case then
It's easy to understand if you start with a conclusion (meat is le bad) and design studies that will support that thesis.
>I don't understand why people grant so much gravitas to activist-science like this, and none to ancestral wisdom.
Domestication. They are doglike pseudohumans.
>ancestral wisdom is butter coffee, ignoring what your ancestors actually ate, and refusing to eat your body's main fuel source
Seethe and dilate, vegchud.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-2-million-years-humans-ate-meat-and-little-else-study/
I briefly looked at your image and agree with keto guy
Same.
Yeah, and for 2 million years we died of appendicitis and had to fuck weird unshaven neanderthal pussy. You just want a keto diet so you can justify sitting on your ass and eating chicken tenders meanwhile your magnesium and potassium levels are in the toilet and your fucking testicles struggle to produce 1mg of testosterone per day.
keto doesn't affect testosterone production negatively and there's no reason you'd have electrolyte issues.
Yes it fucking does. " high-protein (≥35%), low-carbohydrate diets greatly decreased resting (-1.08 [-1.67, -0.48], p < 0.01) and post-exercise total testosterone (-1.01 [-2, -0.01] p = 0.05)."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35254136/
It jacks your cortisol to the fucking moon and suppresses test. That's why people on actual Keto diets have T levels of fucking 400 while balanced diets would have that same cunt at 800-1000.
low carbohydrate high protein diet isn't ketogenic diet.
also nice fucking review that goes out of its way not to list age or confounds and scored extremely high for potential bias
>balanced
another weasel word that means nothing.
keto destroys testosterone, at least 2 mechanisms: higher cortisol suppressing test and low carb->high SHBG-> lower free test.
most anabolic hormone profile comes from diets high in carbohydrates (it's not even close either); most of the cited benefits from keto diets come from reducing them.
>most anabolic hormone profile comes from diets high in carbohydrates
what does it feel like to be retarded?
>noooo you can't just trust objective reality AND the science
>you must clog your arteries and eat raw meat because Aajonus Vonderplanitz (a garden gnome) said so!
There's something deeply wrong with you.
Your pic also says physical activity causes plaque buildup lol.
>risk factors may include physical activity
There we go you fucking retards, says right there in the le hecking science that physical activity causes heart problems.
Stop doing physical activity.
>this is how retarded muh bad cholesterol/saturated fat tards are
Also Kiribati eats like 30% of their calories every day in saturated fat and they have a lower heart disease death rate than Spain which gets like 50% of their fat into from monounsaturated AND is the worlds #1 consumer of fat in general on average. Spain is also ranked like 170th in the world for heart disease deaths, and kiribati is ranked lower than that.
Meanwhile coutnries like Egypt which eat 1/4 the fat of high fat consumption countries are among the highest in the world for heart disease deaths.
Explain that one anti-fat shills.
>ketolard enters another thread to meme about fat not causing heart disease when the rate is a measly 5% difference to Western countries
I notice you didn't mention coconuts being their source of fat because it would make meat look bad.
there are different kinds of fat you... you... peepee poopoo head!!
>80% of your diet is from sugar
>apparently is it great for your diet!
>80% of your diet is fat
>80% of your diet is from sugar
None of these options sounds healthy.
This study is very true, as is the one about Coke increasing Testosterone, and the vaccine stopping transmission by 90%.
Eating a few white potatoes boiled with nothing else completely fucks with my blood sugar, and I am pretty sure I am not alone. Anyone who can then just pretend that is OK because "if you eat it with a bunch of other stuff you don't notice it!" is really just lying to themselves.
Yes, carb-rich foods spike insulin because insulin is required to shuttle glucose into cells.
Without this, you wouldn't exist.
And you need to be on a low-fat diet (meaning 15g's max a day) for a week to really see the effects. One meal wouldn't cut it.
Most people don't need insulin spiked anymore than they already do
Cholesterol is also necessary for life so it's okay to spike that too!
>dude literally everyone is a dysgenic sedentary mutt with prediabetes
>dude you need cholesterol so you should eat copious amounts of heart disease-causing foods
retard
Most people have insulin problems yes, not just diabetes
That was a joke, just pointing out the "essential = fine to have loads!" Logic is on both sides
>Most people have insulin problems yes, not just diabetes
He says on a board where half the users inject insulin for it's anabolic effects.
>average person is so committed to fitness that they are taking hormones
t. retard
>Most people have insulin problems
Amerishart moment
There are only two natural metabolic states, it's binary, so it not being ketogenic means that following a non-ketogenic diet may be linked to higher risk of heart disease, which we already know. This is not news, this is propaganda.
You either ARE in ketosis, or you're not. Keto is not like veganism, it's something we've all been in before and should be in.
>may
>study suggests
>preliminary
>rats
CNN shills goislop nonstop.
Keto diet is low in potassium so it's better to supplement. I've been eating salty spam and kippers while supplementing with potassium chloride and I've been feeling great. It's not enough calories to maintain weight but I can easily gain with cereal and milk once I reach my goal. It's a lot cheaper than trying to eat enough fat and it's fortified with vitamins.
carbs are important, drink milk
>believed reports of fad diet being effective
>no longer confident in fad diet because of other report saying its bad
retard detected
>my mom has fallen for Dr Berg and low carb shit
She's started intermittent fasting as well smfh
Why does every meme diet thread seem to have like at most four schizos taking up all the discussion
There's one veganfag, one peatard, one ketolard and one raw carnishart
I can tell because they type the exact same shit every time
>keto-like
>may be related
OP fell for the gnomish headlines again, someone call him a rabbi ASAP
>It's official: good goys eat grains.
Thank you merchant.
And calcium has been linked to cancer. And you can literally die from drinking water.
Stop falling for clickbait. If you nitpick at details, you're going to find something wrong with everything. People losing weight are 100x more likely to die from heart disease caused by McDonald's than heart disease caused be raw meat.
>People losing weight are 100x more likely to die from heart disease caused by McDonald's than heart disease caused be raw meat.
source
Common sense. Stop trying to argue like a woman and use your fucking head instead of being a codependent gay that needs everything handed to them by someone else.
Common sense does NOT side with eating raw meat retard
All this keto, carnivore shit is for gays who decided they hated vegetables when they were 6 and never grew out of it. Kinda like how vegans are all gays who had a Hamster they really liked and now think the natural order of things is literally murder.
Eat a balanced diet, lift weights, and do your fucking cardio. If you aren't doing all of that shit then expect your health to get fucked up sooner rather than later.
morons always go to the absolute extreme for some reason. You are absolutely right.
Man crazy how meat started giving people heart disease during the 1900s
Forgot the graph lol
Not sure what this has to do with what i said
you forgot the graph bitch
The trouble with your silly little graphs is that they don't prove anything except that modern diets suck.
>may
Dietary science MAY as well be the fucking tabloids.
"Science" is whoever has the most money to push their products. Essentially, the most profitable foods are always pushed the most. Grain is many thousands of times more profitable than raising cattle on a farm. There are "tech" companies making fake burgers, etc. Science just reflects that because it is nothing more than a marketing tool and retarded blue-pilled left-wing morons lap it up. Classic example is vegan gainfs and his "wife". They are obese and depressed, while simultaneously spouting the "science" proving their diets are superior.
Only good post in this retarded food tribalism shit show thread
YES, IDIOT, WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS SINCE YOU FIRST BROUGHT IT UP!
Like, are you literal children? Did you fucking miss Atkins? The diet gains popularity because it works for just long enough to generate hype, but after two months you plateau, so not only are you still fat, but now your sweat smells like a paper mill that's downwind from the Guinness world record holder for the largest pile of rotten eggs.
Actual fucking retards.
To be fair, this meme does get repackaged every decade with minor modifications and a new name, so it's not too surprising the low-IQ, desperate and gullible among us keep falling for it.
atkins doesn't shift the body over to a different metabolism
what is a keto-like diet? a keto-like diet is not a ketogenic diet, so you're just eating a gigantic amount of fat without the ability to process it?
These retards think keto is eating lower carb while still keeping your insulin spiked so you just keep getting fatter. I don't even give a shit if keto isn't the best for gains. It's the best to lose a shit load of fat if you are addicted to sugar.
Why id everyone so hellbent on cutting all carbs now? Just cut out all added/refined sugars and eat natural carbs in moderation.
>eat natural carbs in moderation.
Nah. Carbs should be unlimited. Fat should be limited.
https://research-doc.credit-suisse.com/docView?language=ENG&format=PDF&source_id=csplusresearchcp&document_id=1053247551&serialid=MFT6JQWS%2B4FvvuMDBUQ7v7PP7ol9EaneQKi2Z8XT9V0%3D&cspId=null
I knoow ~~*you*~~ won't read it because you're a big sugar shill. But hopefully some observers read it and learn something.
>you're a big sugar shill
Lol, nobody in this entire thread even mentioned sugar except you retard.
I'm just not gay and pigheaded enough to clog my arteries with saturated fat for political reasons like you dumb apes.
>muh bad cholesterol
shut the fuck up midwit
Nobody mentioned cholesterol either retard but yes LDL cholesterol will fuck your shit up
Hey dumb fuck, what do you think the effect of eating saturated fat which they say might cause heart disease (lik ethey say exercising might) is?
It's increased LDL cholesterol you stupid bitch.
You think you just eat saturated fat and have le heart attack because um saturated fat you dumb fucking idiot?
Wait till you learn that the body uses cholesterol to mend wounds and that arteries get lacerated by silica in table salt resulting in the body depositing cholesterol to protect the arteries from sharp particles
>arteries get lacerated by silica in table salt
new schizo theory?
Wait until you learn your body produces it's own cholesterol and you don't need two sticks of butter a day to thrive.
Plaque is made from glycated LDL, a very specific type of LDL called VLDL, which is made out of polyunsaturated fats. On top of that PUFAs increase insulin resistance, so the VLDL is more likely to get glycated.
That's just water weight from glycogen. I can literally increase my carb intake from 200g to 400g and gain 5 lbs of "Lean Muscle Mass."
>Plaque is made from glycated LDL, a very specific type of LDL called VLDL, which is made out of polyunsaturated fats.
proof?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11606787/
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11606787/
>In LDLRKO mice, compared with the SFA diet, the MUFA and CARB diets significantly increased atherosclerosis in both sexes, but the PUFA diet had no effect
>Compared with the SFA diet, the CARB diet significantly decreased VLDL-C in males and the MUFA, PUFA, and CARB diets decreased VLDL-C and the CARB diet decreased LDL-C in females
>Affiliation: Laboratory of Biochemical Geneticsand Metabolism, The Rockefeller University, New York, NY 10021, USA.
Ahh yes, the final boss, the one nutrient we haven't memed as the bad guy
>Monounsaturated fats
It was them all along. Hiding behind saturated fats, sneed oils, carbs, and antinootrients. The avocado was behind it all
its a good thing im not a mouse cause i just had a whole jar of olives
Your foaming-at-the-mouth level of aggression is caused by your lack of cholesterol, chubs.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30684788/
>diet based around eating tons of saturated fats is bad for you
what a shocker
well thats nothing wait until you see the studies linking carb heavy diets with heart disease. then you will be worried.
LE CARBORINOS!!!!!!!!!
Low carb for life baby
>fad diet centered around eliminating one macro from your daily life turns out to have negative effects on your health
Shocking.
Reminder that ketoschizos are the same people that say CICO doesn't work.
Vegan schizos are the same that claim that people haven't developed diseases that can't tolerate carbs yet can eat meats like they are the liver king.
gay.
>oH nO i'M aLlErGiC tO cArBs
No, you're just retarded.
See? Some people are literally allergic to carbs, gay: https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/gastrointestinal-disorders/malabsorption-syndromes/carbohydrate-intolerance
Now tell me of a disease other than mental that is similar towards meat.
Vegan schizos BTFO again.
>some people
Ah yes the classic 1% of people affected by something used as a scapegoat for your retarded ideas.
You sound like fatties that use thyroid problems as an excuse as to why they're 500lbs planetoids.
>vegan schizos
Who the fuck are you even arguing with? I'm not vegan.
> Clearly defend and dodges points given with evidence.
> Who the fuck you are arguing with I'm not vegan!!!
Typical schizo vegan keep defending your muh carbs based diet.
Google "lone star tick disease", that's just one that is around in America.
You can develop an allergy to anything, doesn't immediately mean that thing some people have allergies too is automatically bad for consumption by all you nitwit.
eat 4 white boiled potatoes by themselves and report back
Have done it in the past many times, what about it?
Well some people are obviously different because if I eat 4 white boiled potatoes with nothing on them and nothing else, my blood sugar goes crazy. Same as eating lots of sultanas, etc. It has been like this since I was a kid and I have never been even slightly overweight.
>my blood sugar goes crazy
So you have a medical condition.
Ahh no I don't have a medical condition. White potatoes have the highest GI of any food, so I doubt many people can eat 4 white potatoes with nothing and not experience that feeling, but some people will pretend anything I guess.
>I don't have a medical condition
>my blood sugar gets FUCKED the moment I eat a few potatoes
Anon, you have a medical condition.
I don't because all of those things get checked via blood tests and I have nothing. I just get a rush of blood type feeling to the head which signifies my body has dumped a bunch of glucose into my blood stream quickly, which is the nature of eating high GI foods. They provide a lot of glucose very quickly. Maybe you just aren't aware of it.
>I don't
>except a few potatoes fuck my shit up
So you got a medical condition lmao
Proving that carbs only aren't muh healthy diet.
>carbs only
Except nobody here is proposing a carbs only diet? You're fighting windmills, you retarded bitch.
Stop hiding that you aren't going apeshit and calling everyone a ketoschizo just because they are promoting lesser carb diet, veganschizo can't handle it, boohoo.
Maybe if you ate more meat you would be less of a gay thinking about sucking other people's dicks.
>veganschizo
Is that veganschizo person in the room with us, anon?
>if you ate more meat
I ate 500g of pork today Black.
>sucking other people's dicks
You have a lot of gay thoughts anon.
> Pork.
That's not healthy meat though, confirmed sóóyboy understanding of meat.
> Posting anime faces of a guy with pink hair.
Totally not gay, gay pig.
>not healthy
Don't care. Fuck garden gnomes, fuck muslims and fuck morons.
I'm bigger and stronger than you.
Post body, you are literally eating sóoy disguised as a meat. I'm neither of them that you claim, but as far as meats go even a cow, a lamb or a goat is more healthier meal and beneficial than a pig is.
Veganschizos will never get it.
>262 posts
>zero bodies posted
I'm gonna assume ketotards are dyel and/or fat.
I'm assuming veganschizos who post animu from tumblr are either trannies on drugs or skeletons.
>veganschizos
Where are they? Are they here with us?
You sound just like one and are one. Stop larping as someone who eats meat because clearly, you do not.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T EAT PORK
I can. I will. You sound like a mad garden gnome.
> Posts someone else's physique.
> Posts a clearly on steroids scruberoni.
> Still defending they aren't gay.
>trying to diss marky mark
>didn't post body
lol why are you barking, dyel?
I don't get it. According to ketoshitter, you die from vegan diet in a week. But somehow vegans are also everywhere.
The rona was supposed to take the obese, there are more of those mofos than ever.
>tranime avatarfagging
lmao
>complaining about anime on an anime board
>posting anime on an anime board to discuss anime
Ok
>irrelevantly posting a shot of an anime character as a PFP/avatar
Tranime. You Will Never Be Anime.
So can you go 2 days without eating foods and not experience low blood sugar levels as well? What level of pretending do you need to justify your arguments?
>So can you go 2 days without eating foods and not experience low blood sugar levels as well?
Haven't tried 2 days in a row, but I've done 24 hour fasts several times.
What about it?
>pretending
Not my fault your genes are trash.
and you feel exactly the same as when you eat regularly? and you can also fly, etc etc...
>and you feel exactly the same as when you eat regularly?
Hungry mostly.
What's your point, ketotard?
And the only types of medical conditions only affect the following food types: Dairy (Lactose Intolerance) and Vegetables.
Fuck you schizo. Meat is the safest food out there if you prepare it right.
>Meat is the safest food
Who was arguing against meat, you fucking schizophrenic?
Take your meds bitch.
"KETOSCHIZO!" is only used by veganschizos who are gay, lefitst and weak minded morones who when they hear to add meat to the diet get scared and yell KETOSCHIZO.
Shut up bitch tits.
I do that all the time. I don't get any negative effects out of it whatsoever.
t. other anon
CICO doesn't really work other than to lose body mass. Keto doesn't eliminate carbs, it reduces them to < 50g, and the "study" mentioned was not specific to keto.
>CICO doesn't really work
>other than to lose body mass
So it literally works, you fucking nonce.
>Keto doesn't eliminate carbs
>reduces them to < 50g
lmao
Can't make this shit up.
sure if you like losing a lot of muscle as well
49g of carbs is not "eliminating carbs". how many gs of fat do you eat a day? You probably dont even know.
>sure if you like losing a lot of muscle as well
WHAT PRINCIPLE DOES CICO WORK ON?
Hint: it's not about macros, you retarded bitch.
>49g of carbs is not "eliminating carbs"
lol
the laws of thermodynamics, roughly applied to nutrition even though it isn't entirely accurate as the body doesn't necessarily use all of the energy it consumes
Energy in, energy out, Black. You consume less - you lose weight. You consume more - you gain weight.
Macros are not even in the picture.
>it isn't entirely accurate
>the body doesn't necessarily use all of the energy it consumes
In today's episode of "what is": what the fuck is TDEE?
Sure but you can't accurately calculate any of these things.
>you can't accurately calculate any of these things
Millions of people around the world do.
Inb4 - (You) try to argue that being off by 1kcal is somehow going to turn you into a fat piece of shit.
mm, anyway, all it determines is how much mass you lose, not specific fat/muscle ratios lost, which is hormone related.
>not specific fat/muscle ratios lost
Nobody is arguing about that
Usually people want to lose fat specifically
>people want to lose fat
So just eat less?
mmm, that is part of it, but not the whole story. as an anecdote, if you took steroids while eating less, you would have a better BF percentage, hence achieving a better outcome, as the goal is "best BF percentage at the end of my diet", not "less mass at the end of my diet".
>if you took test you would get more muscle
WOW
I guess keto will have the same results as pinning test then.
nope, but there is a lot more to it than just eating less, especially once you have finished dieting, as "eating less" is a guide to nothing at that point.
>Millions of people around the world do.
lol
>being off by 1kcal is somehow going to turn you into a fat piece of shit.
no, but being off by 50kcal will, over time, say a decade or two. and it's slow enough that you and the people around you won't even notice it
>being off by 50kcal will
>I'm just going to aim to eat at my TDEE, but constantly be off by 50kcal for two decades
Some other imaginary scenarios, ketoturd?
Im a retard and i have a semi keto related question. If i eat 2 eggs nearly every morning and have a cup of greek yogurt or skyr twice or thrice a week will my arteries clog and heart explode?
only if you're obese and bulking
>ketoschizos argue for their meme diet
>nobody ever posts results
Keto is a way for fatties and dyels to eat like pigs while pretending to be healthy.
imagine the amount of propaganda you have to be fed to equate natural, whole foods that taste good to "eating like pigs" just because the food has fat in it. This is the power of government propaganda. The irony is that the people who eat like pigs are always doing it with high carb diets, not high fat diets. If you do the maths, you will notice this as well. They aren't getting fat eating eggs and rib eye steak, they are getting fat eating massive amounts of potato chips, pizzas, ice cream that is infused with as much corn syrup as possible, etc.
Asians live off of white rice and beans.
Pure carbs. No asian country has over 5% obesity. America sits at 45%.
Cope>seethe
they have disproportionate rates of diabetes from all the white rice
This is as good an argument as any to push vegan and high carb diets for redditors and associated rabble: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34829788/
Associated does not equate responsible for
If the majority of people who try keto are overweight which i'll assume they are, they would have a higher rate of heart disease *because they are overweight* and were before keto, for an example of how correlation=/=causation
They controlled for age, weight, smoking, drinking etc as usual. Typical ketolard cope to insist it was anything but saturated fat dropping people dead. When pushed to corner you literally start arguing the people who failed didn't suck as much dick as you did therefore keto didn't work. Hurr they didn't control for number of dicks sucked and semen swallowed therefore can't say it was saturated fat suck more dicks people durr derp derp.
still just a correlation. a very weak correlation at that. when they try to control for confounders they are really just guessing or likely confirming their existing biases
You mean the control group didn't suck as many dicks as keto group? Gotcha, we all know that, gay.
I just eat lower carb, whole ingredient foods, meat I get from the local farm
>280 posts in and ketoschizo is calling everyone who disagrees with him a vegan chud
>he spent half the thread in a schizophrenic rant against boiled potatoes
This shit is just too retarded for me
I used to do keto and I just looked flat all the time. Didn't suffer too much in performance in the gym but having a candy bar pre-gym and then a good portion of rice or potatoes with my meal afterwards, I look much better.
I think some kind of very loose paleo diet is best.
Just ask yourself "did humans evolve to consume this" and of the answer is yes then you're golden.
>believes in evolution
>Just ask yourself "did humans evolve to consume this" and of the answer is yes then you're golden.
Yes indeed we vegans are right and true paleo is a vegan diet rich in fiber low in fat. This is evident by evolution of our skulls and dentals which have progressively evolved to be more that of a herbivore like horse and less that of a meat eater or even omnivore like bear. We mog even the chimps and gorillas with our fine dentals devoid of prominent fangs which other primates have. We also have excellent molars and jaw mobility for chewing grains.
most of our GI tract is similar to that of carnivores
Independent verification disproves every one of your points.
nonsense pic. human stomach ph is not 4-5. try again without a vegan propaganda source
no its not. try again. gorilla have large colons and cecum for hindgut fermentation. humans do not
"The normal human stomach has a pH which can range from approximately 1-3 but is usually closer to 2. When there is food in the stomach the pH can raise to as high as 4-5. After the food leaves the stomach bicarbonate ions are secreted to neutralize and alkalinize the mixture.Feb 14, 2003"
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=275
thanks for proving my point
The picture says "pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach"
Not my fault you're an illiterate moron.
That's because you're feeding them the wrong food
Both gorillas and humans have a small intestine that is about 6 meters long and a large intestine that is about 1.5 meters long. The only thing lacking in humans compared to gorilla is prominent cecum, and of course gorilla large intestine has more volume. Now pay attention: gorilla is 2-3 times the size yet our intestines are roughly the same size and same ratios. Now go talk to gorillas how they are actually lions. Honk honk.
>Every single moron goes on the ketodiet
>Heart issues start going up
>Now keto-tards are joining the conspiracy retards about the covid vaccine and blod clots
If I didn't quit my medical job, I would have went postal.
Pretty much this. Ketards are somehow also antivaxx and extremely conspiratorial. It's a compound mental illness, really. They fuck up their own life and health with their nasty diet and end up blaming everything including water instead of themselves. Sad!
Confirmation bias fucked horseshoe theory and this is their retarded child ultimately.
heart disease started shooting in the 1900s after sneed oils were introduced
It is funny how left vs right goes right down to things like diet as well. I have noticed you gayy authority worshipers are all vegans or high carb or basically whatever the government says is good for you, while us right wingers often go towards carnivore, keto, etc, which is basically the opposite of what the government says is good for you if you look at the food pyramid (dairy and meat at the top).
It is funny how you people are too stupid to realise the government just puts out propaganda in the form of science etc and the government is controlled by big business who profit more from grain than meat. Meat is just a bunch of inbred farmers making a decent wage. Grain is global corporations making billions of dollars. Kellongs etc. You haven't figured this out about life because you have a genetic predisposition to trust the government, and are always wrong because the government is corrupt.
it basically boils down to how much advertising and lies you beleive.
>keto like diet
>In the study, researchers defined a low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diet as 45% of total daily calories coming from fat and 25% coming from carbohydrates
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/05/health/keto-low-carb-high-fat-diets-heart-disease/index.html
nice joke study
>Still selling the "bad cholesterol" meme after all this time
>CNN
lol fucking christ Boomers
I will continue eating my 80 20 ground beef, eggs, and veggies. These garden gnomes just want us to eat the bugs
Keto is meant to prepare you for a fast. Low PUFA keto + 40:8 ADF is guaranteed weight loss. Way easier to get into a fast with keto.