>ITT: bag training & kickboxing as cardio
Do you jab and cross the bag?
Do you practice your kicks?
What's the right board to talk about kickboxing and bag training?
kickboxing & bag training as cardio
>ITT: bag training & kickboxing as cardio
Dude just run you retard lol
Running is boring and is also beta, punching and kicking is alpha as fuck
>Running is boring and is also beta, punching and kicking is alpha as fuck
Seconding this. Fighting is based. Cardio is a myth though. If you're lifting really hard it will effectively train everything that goes into what people would call their cardiovascular system
>If you're lifting really hard
Depends how long and how little breaks. Most people doing bodybuilder or powerlifter style workouts are doing too much rest to work cardio.
do you know why fighters have top tier stamina compared to the general public? do you know why lots of these musclehead fighter wannabees pathetically tire out after a single round of 3 minute light sparring? you lifting 150kg doesn't even come close into improving your cardio compared to someone who actually does cardiovascular activities.
I have in fact both boxed and lifted weights. I boxed a long time ago and built up my cardio from only doing that. Stopped training or doing anything physical for several years. Got back into weightlifting and am now doing that as my only form of cardio. My cardio is now exactly the same as it was when I was just boxing all of the time. The physiological adaptations received from lifting are superior to all other forms of cardio that are not exactly sport specific. Also, fighters can go a lot longer because they understand proper technique and movement, allowing them to fight while maintaining an extremely high level of conservation of energy. Most retards tense their entire body up during the entire fight and throw with inefficient dogshit technique and they jump around constantly and also they recruit way more muscle than is needed to throw a punch. They also don't know how to breathe properly. If you got a reasonably sized person that has only lifted weights to get their muscle and you taught them proper technique, they would have the exact same level of cardio as another person with a similar frame that uses the same technique. The only differences in them would be genetic differences
You have good cardio because you boxed several years ago, not because you lift weights. Cardio gains don't really go away.
They 100% do. Even two weeks off drops your cardio significantly
t. Former national level hurdler
Only if you completely stop training.
I did completely stop training, for like 6 years
Yes, but your cardio will still be significantly better than most other sedentary people. You won't be in competition shape, but your cell memory and heart size/blood vessel size will be enlarged for life.
>Cardio is a myth though. If you're lifting really hard it will effectively train everything that goes into what people would call their cardiovascular system
you're a retard harry
>everything that goes into what people would call their cardiovascular system
lol then why are you still so fat, powerchud? why do you still get gassed out after going up some stairs? lmao
shut the fuck up larper
Powershitter cope. Job well done with the bait
Not if you're doing an aero-kickboxing class with soccer moms you gigantic queer
I already can outrun anyone who isn’t fit or doesn’t regularly run, i ran 60-75 miles a week in 2022 and i still run 18-24 miles a week now
But i also warm up with the rower, started doing 30ish mins on the spin bike, and i put way more into lifting than i used to.
Basically i am looking for ways to get cardio in that don’t use my knees, cuz today for example, my knee was messed up from overdoing it the last two days with running and the spin bike.
Anyways i boxed the bag for 25 minutes and got out of breath several times, it was a great way to warm up for my workout. Once i started lifting i felt flexible and mobile, hitting the bag for 25 mins definitely got me loose and ready for lifting.
This is an hour pad and bag work at muay thai
Been training boxing with a coach for about 6 months. It’s dope, definitely recommend getting some guidance before just swinging away at the bag.
it's great for cardio
I do mixes of different attacks (Jab, cross, rear kick, switch kick, hook), and practice blocking as well, just imagining as if I'm fighting.
I also repetitively do the same move or the same combo to practice form and build muscle memory.
If you ever think you'd do decent in a fight because you lift try going all out on a heavybag for 30 seconds. If you aren't conditioned for it you'll quickly realize how slow and weak your punches get after only seconds of hitting it. Go ahead and try it and get humbled. Punching conditioning is legit and should be taken seriously by anyone who wants to be athletic.
That is a SHIT kick. If you throw your arm out and down like that for counter balance you are taking it off you torso and ribs where it is supposed to stay like it's fucking sewn on to protect and block.
Plus it means your balance is shit.
Throwing it out for counterbalance is fine. If you want to maintain defense while kicking, you throw it out towards your opponent, like a long guard
i used to go to a gym that taught it like you say, its fucking retarded. you only need one arm to block, the other should swing because it HELPS balance, no one is going to strike you on your body when doing a kick, unless you're slow as fuck and/or not estimating distance properly
Shit-tier take. The only time you'd have both hands up with a kick is if you're throwing a low kick that doesn't turn your hip over. If you're throwing a body kick or higher, especially to the head, you swing your arm as a counterbalance for maximum rotational power with the hip
Here's a good interval type boxing drill which practices multiple things: building stamina, muscle endurance in your arms, keeping your defense up while gassed, maintaining form while gassed, footwork while gassed, generating power while gassed, and generating power primarily through form vs muscle:
30 sec all out body hooks, full power max speed (you will slow down, prioritize power and form - keep your defense up, don't get sloppy)
1 min active recover, keeping hands up and elbows tucked. Slip, jab, slip cross, keep it crisp and use footwork to cut angles. Preferably, you have someone with hand pads to do this with so they can slap you if your defenses open up.
another 30 sec hook blast
can call that a round and add a rest period of say 2 mins before next repeat, or just keep alternating w/o extra rest period
can also do this with roundhouse kicks on the blast, and teeps for the active recover
if you're a beginner, it's best to focus on careful execution of basic stuff, perfect the form first. its like people telling you to lower the weight first initially, learn the form, and then add weight, only add speed and power when you have the muscle memory. also, later start doing complicated combinations
(for ex; jab - straight - hook - pretend to slip a punch - right kick - side elbow - teep - left kick)
it's very effective at learning some sort of balance and staying "fluid"
ty i will work on my basics
rn i do jab -> cross -> hook -> hook, alternating arms for each hit
or i do
jab -> cross -> upper -> upper -> hook -> hook
again alternating each hit
ty i will find out what a slip is. also what a "straight" is. and a "teep"..
>1000 kcal in 1 hr
im calling bullshit
but very impressive
interesting i only started considering this once i tried kickboxing last week. it is very tiring and i am blown away at the stamina of MMA dudes in retrospect.
i fucked up my hands last night i think i need real gloves not the tiny minimalist gloves i got. also googled how to wrap hands correctly, will try that + appropriate gloves next time.
If you legitimately want to build some skill and learn some good combos, look up Gabriel Varga's youtube channel. He's an actively competing 6x kickboxing world champion, and his channel is the closest thing you'll get to high quality free coaching. He has vids on correct form, hand combos, hand/foot combos, head movement, etc. He comes to my gym to spar during his fight camps, really great dude.
>Gabriel Varga's youtube channel
ok i will get bigger gloves, other people are saying the same thing.
what are these gloves even for?
get a proper oz according to your weight, between 10oz if you're a skelly and 16oz if you're a fatty. i think you're using shitty MMA gloves
get real gloves and bandages. do hard bagwork 3+ times a week and youll probably fuck something up. also, about your listed combinations, I generally avoid double hooks or double uppers because its just not realistic, spinning around spamming hooks or uppercut is usually senseless, i found out so the moment i started sparring. similarily, building in some "dodging" movements, kicking, etc, makes you less focused on just punching. in general, vary stuff more, even if its just a little and MAKE SURE TO GUARD. again, basics are most important, and you want to build good habits early
Lmao idiot. Wraps are number one, above gloves. Order a package of three and wash them inside a mesh bag.
If KB then you need proper kickboxing gloves and shin guards. If MMA then you want 7oz puffy gloves with free fingers in order to grapple.
>im calling bullshit
>but very impressive
It's consistent, i can post plenty more. Occasionally drops down to 800~ when we do a session focused on power shots and different trainers lead to different results. The vast majority are in the 900-1k range for an hour training though. For reference I'm 37, 6'4 and 202lb. Manlets would likely have lower output
IST is better for combat sports topics, fit is bunch of fat asses that believe starting strength is the only thing you need to be doing to get strong, lmao.
Either way, to get stronger kicks, do isometric holds of horse stance and lunge squats at the bottom position, as well as train jumping explosiveness by repeating jumps back and forth, Cossack Dance would be great for balance and mobility of it.