Does anyone have experience with Kundalini Yoga, or kundalini psychosis? A family member has gone off the deep end and I am looking for as much information as I can on the subject. Specifically the least retarded forum I could discuss this topic on. I can give more info if you give a shit
>A family member has gone off the deep end
my brother is also a schizo and is currently homeless somewhere
i went on the deep end with stuff too
was he doing the breathing stuff or just sitting
What do you mean? What did you do?
I’m not really understanding you guys. Even after drinking ayahuasca for multiple days in a row, I felt pretty normal again within a few days. Are you schizoaffective?
Also, I type this but I guess I deleted it by accident. I did have a Kundalini Awakening once and only once, and it was very strange. But when I woke up, I felt normal. I mean I was shook, but not crazy or anything like that.
That being said, I have seen people have psychotic breaks on psychedelics many times. Were there drugs involved? Because kundalini meditation does not involve drugs.
What was it like? You just do yoga and you’re tripping all the sudden? Sounds extremely scary
From what Ive gathered its all about awakening the energy in the base of your spine and guiding it up through your chakras. Its meant to be gradual and balanced, often under guidence from a yogi. They say kundalini psychosis happens when you release the energy too fast and your brain cant handle it.
Yeah, this is exactly what happened to me. I actually started meditating initially, because I was having extremely bad anxiety. I wasn’t trying to do a kundalini meditation. I laid down with my eyes closed and my arms and legs outstretched, relaxed every muscle in my body, and started breathing slowly with increasingly longer exhalations to try to decelerate my heart rate. At point a glowing mandala appeared behind my eyelids. Not in my “minds eye,” as in picturing something, I mean, it was actually there, and I was actually looking at it, but my eyes were closed. Very similar to the visuals you can get if you close your eyes on LSD or psilocybin. The deeper I meditated the more it felt like I was channeling energy into it, and it grew brighter/larger/more animated. At this point it had a distinctively “alive” quality to it, as though it were some kind of being or entity. It began playing a game with me that is difficult to describe. Essentially it would form different shapes, both geometric and organic that would respond to my thoughts and change into something else. But it would also morph into other shapes without my thoughts affecting it. It was like we were playing a telepathic game of Pictionary with each other, but the pictures we were drawing were these incredibly intricate, psychedelic fractal forms and shapes which contained other recognizable forms like animals and people, etc. Pulsating and glowing every color at once. Very similar to DMT visuals. At this point the entity (for lack of a better term) had grown so intensely bright and powerful that it felt as though I was standing before God or an angel. I asked it with my mind “ what do you want from me? I’ll give you anything you want.” The feeling of being in its presence was sacred, very difficult to describe in words. The entity then answered my question, not in words or sound, but in raw truth.
Manic guy with Krishna pic here. Sounds a lot like my bad shroom trip from like 7 years before the episode. I felt like I was having a deep insight, something explained to me, but I couldn't tell you what it was--"raw truth."
Interesting.. Ive experienced a similar sensation of approaching raw truth on a variety of psychedelics, but most notably 5meo DMT. Im not as knowledgeable as you are about spirituality or religion (my knowledge is more in the realm of philosophy and science), so I may not be able to advise OP lol but it seems like you’ve got that covered. As far as philosophy is concerned though, I feel that perhaps reality itself is ultimately a raw truth that is eternally unknowable. There are some very interesting experiments in particle physics which suggest human observation alters superpositioning of subatomic particles. Observing a photon induces wave point collapse. But the observable universe is just a giant electromagnetic network of energy and matter. Therefore, a human observer is really just the universe observing the universe. It only exists by perceiving itself… through self interaction. A universal Schrodinger’s cat if you will. Or if you prefer, every neutrino particle of every atom in the universe is a tree falling in the forest. Does that make sense? Or perhaps this is a better example: if no one is observing me, and there is no reflective surface through which I can observe myself, do I have a face? Or does my face only materialize when I touch it or look at a reflection of it? Both of these examples (touching and seeing) are still just the system perceiving itself through self interaction. Perhaps this is the same truth that cannot be revealed to us through meditation or psychedelics. the closer I got to the truth on 5MEO… my heart rate decelerated to a point where I was essentially meditating myself to death. I eventually felt like my soul or life force was now attached to my body by an infinitesimally thin strand of silk. I perpetually pacified my fear of annihilation through surrender, drawing me ever closer toward the raw gleaming truth behind the curtain. Perhaps that truth is simply unknowable in this life.
OK so as I was saying, I asked this being (which to recap, appeared behind my eyelids, in the form of a shape shifting fractal of pure light) what it wanted from me. And it replied “love.” And I don’t know how to explain this, but as soon as it provided me that answer, the experience was so intensely holy feeling that I somehow… man I know this sounds crazy… I beamed every last drop of love in my being into this entity. As I did the entity energized, and grew so dramatically that it over, took my entire visual field, and at that exact moment I felt the strangest sensation. It basically felt like my brain took a piss from the inside out. Like you ever wet the bed when you were a kid? That feeling of warmth spreading out. That’s what it felt like…warm liquid flooding my brain from the very center. Which doesn’t even make sense physiologically speaking because there aren’t mechanoreceptors in the brain (as far as I’m aware).
Anyway, as soon as I felt that sensation less than a second later, I felt my consciousness leave my physical body. Not even just my body like I left reality completely, similar to being on DMT or ketamine at high-dose. However, what happened next was on like anything else I’ve experienced. No psychedelic drug I’ve tried is remotely comparable.
Basically, I was transported to a dream instantly from being awake. Like I didn’t get drowsy and fall asleep. I’m saying I’m completely awake meditating and a fraction of a second after I beamed love into this entity I am in a dream already. That fucking fast. I proceeded to wake up from a dream into another dream into another dream, etc.. dozens of times if not, hundreds. So many times that these different dream realms would just kind of blend together and I can’t remember most of them. I do remember perpetually waking up and trying to explain to people near me. What was happening only to realize I was still in another dream over and over. When I finally woke up for real, I immediately knew I was actually awake, and no longer dreaming. I don’t know how I knew, like my intuition was just completely positive of it. It was such a relief. I burst into tears because this experience that I had not planned for whatsoever, has finally come to an end. My girlfriend at the time was very confused by me, waking up and immediately bursting into tears and asked me what was wrong. I had explain this entire story to her and thankfully, she did not think I sounded like a lunatic.
Anyway, there you go that’s the story of my Kundalini Awakening experience lol. I have no idea what it’s like for other people, but I can understand how it could potentially cause a psychotic break in some people. Luckily I’m a schizo-resistant outlier when it comes to taking astral projection level doses of psychedelics. No clue why, I guess I’m just really good at knowing that up is still up down and down is still down, etc. no matter how crazy things might seem in those realms. If that makes sense lol. But I suppose I can understand how someone with an underlying potential for schizophrenia or psychosis could be badly triggered by an experience like this.
Im sure he was doing all of it and then some. He has a hard on for Sadhguru. And like I said in another post he has been studying this stuff for decades and hes said before he has "crossed the abyss" or something. But that was when he was in good health and sound mind
Does he have anxiety? Or is it a case of him enjoying himself and you're bothered by it.
If he's having anxiety, then he should stop all practices.
Eat a grounding diet of beef, rice and gelatin.
Absolutely no drugs. Even quitting coffee would be quite beneficial in sedating him.
Maybe convince him to hit the gym or get some kind of physical exercise.
That should be enough for most people to ground.
However I don't know where you're coming from, so maybe your brother is completely fine, but it's just a case of you being a judgemental gay. I really dont know because I can't see either of you.
But for example its pretty common for edgy teenagers to study the occult or drugs and then start talking about some real cringy weird stuff, but it's just a phase most of them will grow out of, as they learn to be silent and develop more self-awareness.
Its my dad, hes almost 60. Likely Autistic. War veteran in Military Intellegence with severe PTSD and a myriad of physical ailments from being a paratrooper for a decade.
Hes been studying Yogic practices for decades but hit it hard in the last 2-3 years after basically giving up on Christianity. Because of his autism and ex-military he of course hyperfixates on a thing and harbors more knowledge on it than 99.9% of anyone. At first, with meditation his health was the best it has been since I can remember.
But he has recently started hearing voices and fallen into a deep depression. For awhile his whole demeanor has changed and he doesnt talk about any of it with us out of some sort of concern for our well being.
At one point he was against putting our elderly dog down (it was past time) because he said something along the lines of the spirits would recognize it as a sacrifice.
Hes had a spotty mental past since fighting in wars, but never full blown hallucinative psychosis.
Got here, ask advice in next Magic Monday. (regular q+a)
or ask around IST. Apply the same retard filter you use on other boards.
I appreciate it
Imo not kundalini per ss, doesn’t have the particularities to it, but that doesn’t answer your question about what to do.
You mentioned he became disillusioned with Christianity. Christ is a powerful force of balance when entering the spiritual world, without it, demonic spirits of different types come to hinder your psychology. What to do? If you want to help him spiritually, perhaps meditate on the bible with him.
Chose a line of Christ and ask to meditate on it. “I am the light of the world, whoever walks with me will not walk in darkness” for example. Then he can find the Christ force.
I may have misspoke. His history with religion went something like
>grew up atheist
>always had a yearning for purpose his whole life
>studied all religions, partially to see if any of them were viable, partially for the sake of knowledge
>resonanted with the christian bible
>was a devout christian for ~15 years
>stopped going to church for one reason or another
>the outward aspects of his belief stopped
>fast forward 12 years to about 3 years ago and Yoga is his fixation
Hes made mention in the past after stopping church-going that he believe most religions coexist and build on one another and grratly overlap.
Another specific issue is his insistance to hold us all at arms length. It seems he fears he will serve as a conduit to transfer the spirits/demons/beings into mine and my childrens lives. Any info I have on his experiences are the few things hes said to my mom. With any attempt to talk to him to even hear what he is going through, he leaves the room. It seems he wants to see a yogic spiritual teacher/healer.
A spiritual teacher could help him if they’re legit, zen teacher or Tibetan lama. They’ll help him not be so consumed by his thoughts. Find one that actually learned from the tradition, not some modern new aged who calls fhemselves x.
If he is schizo make sure to just treat him with warmth, respect and normality, it can become a self fulfilling cycle where they are paranoid, it weirds people out, that feeds their paranoia, etc.
Cont. Maybe ask him to go on a rigorous hike with you, exercise and fresh air help everyone
He has his eyes on the Isha Institute in Tennessee. He follows Sadhguru very closely. But trying to talk to him today he gave a vague statement that he had a few different ideas to deal with what hes going through
I’d suggest zen to him, he can live with a schizoid psychology in peace learning the basics of zen meditation, eventually it will pass if he doesn’t perpetuate it
Can you give more details on why you think this is actually psychosis? Followers of Abrahamic religions say similar things all the time, "I can feel/hear God when I pray to him", people end up brainwashing themselves into all kinds of shit. Prayer and Meditation lend themselves to this behaviour, especially mantras. You're repeatedly telling yourself something is real, access to another spiritual realm or being for example, and eventually it does affect both your personality and morals.
Maybe its not. His symptoms are aligned with what others claim with kundalini psychosis. He claimed he had (something) in his mind telling him to do things. Also several acute manic episodes with bizzare talk and behavior.
Your father is literally going through a deep psychic evolution and obtaining shamanic powers and you’re here talking about he’s gone off the deep end. Show him some support for his monumental undertaking and your pride in his incredible success so far ffs
Forgive my method of summation. My dad is the most impressive person I know and I hold him in deep honor and reverence.
I am all but ignorant on this topic and I am searching for answers, info, and expectations
Kundalini is leveling basically dormant cosmic energy that lies at the base of the spine. As you awaken it you get superpower but it’s not something one should rush because it can harm both your mental and physical. By fixating on awakening Kundalini u kind of miss the point imo too. The reason for why he has psychosis is basically because he’s opening himself up to more of the mental plane and higher vibratory matter. It’s hard to explain but if you want to learn more about Kundalini don’t watch YouTube or Sadghuru. Go on 4plebs and look into the IST archives. You will learn a lot. Post this thread on IST as well, it belongs there. Good luck anon.
I heard Joe Rogan say this can make you trip like doing drugs
My manic episode a few years was entirely NoFapped because it involved me finding God (trad Cath). I made it 120 days. At the time I just blamed quitting weed but a misdirected Kundalini awakening totally makes sense.
I was obsessed with the degeneracy of our fallen world and how evil buttsex was. I took it as a metaphor too, like the ideal society was like a body but Satan wanted to buttfuck it and thereby subvert its order. Looking back this could be some kind of chakra thing, like my own sexual energy wasn't flowing correctly.
QRD would be immensely fucking appreciated bros
Did it just go away or how did you return to normalcy? What was your worst symptom during all of it
I was also slamming stimulants. Drinking a lot of coffee and chain smoking.
Doubts crept into my mind as the episode went on (it was exactly the 120 days).
One day I held off on my morning coffee and asked myself if this whole awakening could have been false and pathological. The answer was obviously yes.
I deflated all at once, went upstairs, and jacked off.
Sexual energy is holy kundalini comes from it. If you’re a coomer, you awaken in evil (Daniel), if you’re chaste, you awaken in good. The problem is being chaste but still remaining lustful subconsciously. You should have prayed to eliminate your list and you could have progressed. That’s probably why you were having visions about the evils of animalistic sex, to get you to repent for that inside yourself. After cooming it’s like you take a growing seed and remove the life from it, that’s why normally people never experience kundalini, or if they do it becomes negative because they aren’t close enough to zGod to purify their soul from lust
I like to think I'm a little more chaste now. Trying to recommit to the path.
Good on you bro. Same here there’s always backsliding so we can learn why we want to go forward
You seem knowledgeable, care to give me your thoughts on my dads experience?
manic episode a few years *ago
This feels like a good time to say x is that way >>>
Psychonauts kindly fuck off
I had this bro. You acheive Gnosis and it's really way more simple than you think. If you pursue knwoledge and come to your own conclusions through tresting and evidence.
Shit is fucking wild though. I ended up in a pyschiatric ward from over analysing the achertypes and doing a bunch of batshit insane shit.
Hey, I had my Kundalini activate after a very low point in my life about a year ago. I didn't know what it was and i've went through a lot since it happened energetically. I met my divine counterpart a day after it activated as well. I can answer some stuff if you have questions about it (: