lasik or prk lads. curse my inferior genes

lasik or prk lads

curse my inferior genes

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >curing the evil eye
    don't.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neither. Just wear glasses, you doofus.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Myopia is very common in the modern world.

      It's no big deal to wear glasses just find one that fits you.

      NTA but I wore glasses for 25 years, got fed up and got relex smile. So far so good, dryness getting better, doc says it can last for half a year. But I can see for miles without the fricking glasses.

      Glasses are ANNOYING, and easy to damage if you're a sperg like me, and not being able to see SHIT from 10m without them was crippling.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got Smile a little over a year ago, no dryness now just perfect vision, best decision of my life.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based. I am noticing the dryness less and less as time goes on, a month in, so I'm very optimistic. And the vision sharpness is just life changing. I see it, pun intended, mostly outdoors. The world just looks so much better, its insane. Of course, it turned out that I was wearing the wrong prescription for years, once the surgeon did all the advanced tests. I was undercorrected and nobody noticed I had some astigmatism, ffs.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Myopia is very common in the modern world.

      It's no big deal to wear glasses just find one that fits you.

      Glasses look terrible and are part of the soiboy uniform. You’re literally telling everyone you see you have shit genes.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I just walk through the world blind instead.
        Unironically.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Get contacts or lasik. That way you can see and not look beta.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >caring what losers with shit genes think about your genes

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you have shit genes
        Myopia is as genetic as type 2 diabetus.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only internet obsessed incels give it this much thought.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I heard eyeglass use accelerates vision degradation because the glasses warp your vision against where your eyes are incorrectly warped and then they slowly warp even more in that direction.
      And I also heard that wearing the "opposite" strength glasses that are the opposite of what you "need" can slowly correct it but it could be broscience. Anyone tried it?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And I also heard that wearing the "opposite" strength glasses that are the opposite of what you "need" can slowly correct it but it could be broscience. Anyone tried it?
        I have myopia. I've worn my mom's reading glasses for a few minutes and I did see much clearer and further immediately after that. I haven't tried it long term yet.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        study what causes it in the first place. it's just physics. you can't muscle your way out of a incorrectly shaped eye.

        >falling for the luxottica israelite
        >falling for the eye-circumcision israelite
        >not just calibrating your eyes
        https://www.youtube.com/@endmyopia
        https://wiki.endmyopia.org/

        before you consider this stupid fricking grifting moron consider China spending fricking billions and billions on how to address myopia because a large population of chinese get it. If it was just use your eye muscles bro they would have done it already.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >study what causes it in the first place. it's just physics. you can't muscle your way out of a incorrectly shaped eye.
          Your eyes change shape all the time.
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22971342/

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Myopia is very common in the modern world.

    It's no big deal to wear glasses just find one that fits you.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I did Lasik and was the best decision in my life regarding health tbh.

    Its a whole different jam waking up and see everything clear or going to the gym or swimming without putting on or off glasses

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I got Lasik last summer and it was hands down the best thing I’ve ever spent money on. I used to have to worry about having spare contacts/glasses in case I wasn’t going to sleep at my home; the first thing I did every morning was freak out and feel around for my glasses. $5K and a day of recovery and I had 20/20 vision. Here’s a tip: Take a sleeping pill and/or some painkillers after your lasik (schedule it in the evening) and sleep all night so you don’t experience the pain as much. It feel like you have sand in your eyes for a solid 8 hours post-surgery. The next week or so feels like you slept with the fan on and your eyes are dry.

      Did u guys have eye dryness? If so, when did it resolve?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I had it pretty bad the first week. It felt like I had one grain of sand in my eye, just annoying really. Post Op instructions were to use eye drops 4x a day so that obviously helped. I’d say within a month my eyes were basically normal. I do use eye drops in the morning now but it’s basically out of habit.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          hm, its been a month for me now, but the dryness is still pretty bad, using those drops like every half an hour. The doctor said its still within the norm tho,

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/hs3mNsB.jpg

            I had it pretty bad the first week. It felt like I had one grain of sand in my eye, just annoying really. Post Op instructions were to use eye drops 4x a day so that obviously helped. I’d say within a month my eyes were basically normal. I do use eye drops in the morning now but it’s basically out of habit.

            yeah frick no, I wore glasses for 25 years and I will still do, I refuse to take goydrops every morning

            • 11 months ago
              I hate women

              https://i.imgur.com/uZm84oT.jpg

              NEITHER

              BORIC ACID EYE DROPS AND EYE MUSCLE TRAINING

              based

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just got lasik about 2 months ago.

        Honestly, the procedure wasn't terrible. Recovery was the worst part. First day sucks, then the next week of putting in itchy eye drops sucks, because you can't itch. Now everything is pretty good, a little halo effect at night from lights still, but definitely worth.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got Lasik last summer and it was hands down the best thing I’ve ever spent money on. I used to have to worry about having spare contacts/glasses in case I wasn’t going to sleep at my home; the first thing I did every morning was freak out and feel around for my glasses. $5K and a day of recovery and I had 20/20 vision. Here’s a tip: Take a sleeping pill and/or some painkillers after your lasik (schedule it in the evening) and sleep all night so you don’t experience the pain as much. It feel like you have sand in your eyes for a solid 8 hours post-surgery. The next week or so feels like you slept with the fan on and your eyes are dry.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    999/1000 cases it's not genes, but your eyes accommodating to bad habits and prescriptions.
    You can undo the damage within 1-3 years by exercises and nutrition.
    Surgery will frick your eyes for life.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Show me one case, just ONE of undoing myopia with exercise and nutrition. There isn't a SINGLE case in the literature. And people are trying all the goddamned time, and have for decades. You fricking moron.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I halved my prescription in about two years.
        I don't even do the exercises, I just spend time outside without wearing lenses.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          My prescription also improved by doing this. I just spent more time outside with my glasses off. Letting the natural sunlight into my peripheral vision helped a lot.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's your eyes changing with age, you moron. Ever notice how a lot of elderly wear reading glasses? Nearsightedness and farsightedness are opposite eye shapes. Over the course of your life your eyes become more farsighted. If you have normal vision, then in your old age you end up needing reading glasses. If you have nearsightedness then in your old age, your nearsightedness improves and eventually gets to the point you don't need glasses for it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Elderly people's hyperopia is caused by eye lens losing elasticity. It's different from genetic hyperopia, which is shorter eyes and doesn't improve myopia.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you have nearsightedness then in your old age, your nearsightedness improves
            Anon, if you're nearsighted and your vision improves as you age, it means cataracts are forming. It's called "second sight".

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Andrew Huberman made his academic career on it. LASIK is a dangerous SCAM

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Genes
    Myopia is cause by too much close work in 99% of the cases

    You can cure it naturally or you will can sculpt fake glasses in your eyes and have myopia in 10 years again

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/PdmL5tZ.jpg

      Show me one case, just ONE of undoing myopia with exercise and nutrition. There isn't a SINGLE case in the literature. And people are trying all the goddamned time, and have for decades. You fricking moron.

      This guy from the video

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Q&A comes up
      >that one dude completely rekts the entire talk
      >talker even admits this won't fix actual eye issues
      kek

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    NEITHER

    BORIC ACID EYE DROPS AND EYE MUSCLE TRAINING

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wore an eye patch as a kid and it didn't fix shit, all it did was make me a ridiculous bully target

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I did this for a month and became glasses free ever since.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Does that shit actually work? I have around 2.00 and 2.25 astigmatism.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            My theory is if lazy eye can be fixed with an eyepatch, it can be used for other eye problems. I thought this was bullshit junk science and it got rid of my hyperopia. I did the eyepatch 8 hours a day and since I work remote, no one can see me look like a pirate.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not taking your rightful role of Pirate Captain of the courtyard
        Not gonna make it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does it works with myopia ? I have -2.00 on both eyes and I am thinking about doing it . Does anyone have real experience?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        look up endmyopia

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do I wear the eyepatch with or without the glasses?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is there any damage difference between glasses and contact lenses?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No amount of training or eye drops are going to correct my Astigmatism.
      Forever cursed with Glasses.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    For fixing eyesight your options are basically:
    >surgery
    LASIK is more common, much less painful and has a very short recovery time (about 2 weeks), but it's more likely to result in complications. Your night vision is more likely to get fricked, lights can become blurry. LASIK also creates a permanent flap that can separate during heavy physical activity (lifting is not likely but it's not impossible) or any activity where your body is exposed to significant force. Skydiving, car accidents, you get the idea. If flap separation happens your eye is most likely going to be near blind for life.

    PRK is an older type of surgery where they basically grind your cornea to size with a laser instead of making a flap and working under it. Recovery is much longer (1-2 months usually) and more painful, but there's no risk of flap separation and as far as I know much less or not risk of night vision problems. Military pilots are required to get this if their eyesight is fricked.

    SMILE is a relatively new method, I don't know much about it. They still make a small incision in the eye, but no flap and recovery is even shorter than LASIK.

    Overall I recommend PRK if you absolutely need surgery and can't deal with glasses/contacts, avoid LASIK, do your own research on SMILE but keep in mind it's new so it doesn't have the track record PRK has. Don't be a b***h about recovery time and cost. You only have 1 pair of eyes for life. You will find plenty of stories about people who say LASIK changed their life and they have zero side effects, but you never know if you're going to get the short end of the stick, however small the risk is.

    1/2

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >glasses
      Obviously the best overall solution if you don't mind the aesthetics. The other downsides are that the field of view is limited, they can get foggy, fall off, shouldn't be worn for martial arts and such, can interfere with other protective gear like motorcycle helmets or safety glasses (that said in most cases there are solutions that allow for both to be worn, like corrective inserts for safety glasses or special glasses that fit under helmets).

      >contacts
      This is the solution that I use and recommend instead of surgery if you don't want to or can't wear glasses. Contacts can be safely worn during pretty much all activities, the situations where they shouldn't are very niche (you don't want to get pepper sprayed with contacts as they trap the spray in eyes and make recovery much longer, military on deployment shouldn't wear them as they can get fused with eyes if you get hit with an IED, that's pretty much it).

      The only issue with contacts is that you have to put them on everyday or every few weeks depending on which you decide on. I use daily contacts as it's more hygenic and less risk of eye dryness. I know some people complain that it's tedious but seriously grow the frick up - you already brush your teeth every morning, washing your hands and putting contacts on is literally 2 minutes.

      Some people suffer from eye dryness with contacts so it may be not an option for them ir it may require drops. Personally I get zero eye dryness, maybe a bit at the very end of the day when I'm an hour away from taking them off anyways. More likely if they are not daily contacts.

      You can get eye infections from contacts, but this is pretty much exclusively caused by poor hygiene, i.e. not washing your hands before putting them on. Just don't be moronic and it's not an issue.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is a big increase in contact lenses associated complications and infections recently. You could argue that its just people not using them correctly, but still.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You could argue that its just people not using them correctly, but still.
          I can and I will. I've been wearing them for at least 10 years everyday with zero issues. It's literally just people being moronic and putting their dirty, shit covered fingers into their eyes without washing them. It's the same type of person that is shocked condoms don't work if you don't put them on so they need to have a warning that they are only 99.9999999% effective. So yeah, if your IQ is double digit, don't use contacts I guess.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >putting contacts in is literally 2 minutes
        lol frick no it wasn't for me. I tried them for a month and gave up in the end. It took too long and was too difficult to get them in. Fricking things turning inside-out on my finger tip as soon as they got near my eye. The feeling of trying to touch my eyeball for 20 minutes making my tear ducts work overtime and overflowing into my sinuses making my nose run like a tap. Nothing but frustration, not worth it. Expensive too.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've been using then for a while now. First time it took me 30 minutes to put ONE lens in and another 20 to take it out again

          After a few tries it got a lot quicker though, it's unusual for it to take more than 30s to get both in now

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          this used to be me but after years of wearing contacts it takes me maybe 15 seconds per eye, and 10 seconds of that is just getting the contact out of the package

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Skill issue. Yeah it is a bit more difficult at first but you should get a hang of it after a few weeks.
          >Swimming was particularly shitty because you can't swim with either glasses or contacts.
          I swim in contacts all the time.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I swim in contacts all the time.
            pretty sure you're not supposed to do that
            high risk of infection if you wear contacts in humid areas like shower and underwater

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. I have minus 7 in both eyes btw, but still Not contemplating surgery. still prefer Using conctacts, now conctacts for more then 15 years. Its so ingrained in my muscle memory, that I even Take them out before bed when i am Blackout drunk (rare occassions when i forgot them, but then i aswell forget to Put my clothes off..). I also dont mind wearing glasses as well, got me some which Look very good, got even some compliments for them.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I went from -4.5 to -2.5 by wearing two pairs of lenses 0.5 apart. Stronger when I need to see (driving, going out, dating), weaker when it's not important (working, hiking, etc.). When working (office job) trying to see from as far as possible.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      military pilots can opt for lasik or SMILE and still be just fine lmfao, PRK is getting phased the frick out because it's rudimentary compared to more modern methods.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a recommended age to undergo this surgery? Is it too soon at like 25?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's got a small regression rate so the sooner you get it the more chances you have over time to revert back to fricked up eyes. It's not something to hard worry about though

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not recommended for young people but that's purely because your eyesight should be stable and not regressing any further. Get your eyes tested and if they are not any worse than they were a year ago, you're most likely fine. Ask a doctor anyways.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    LASIK Suicides, look em up, they don't want you to know

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the actual fick

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly thought you are trolling.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6497495/The-laser-eye-surgery-patients-driven-suicide.html
      >inb4 dailymail
      shit yellow paper indeed, but you can check every name and event they mention

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >endmyopia homosexuals see lasik thread and be like
    ENTER

    if you have strong myopia (-6.0 or more), SMILE theoretically should be the best. otherwise lasik or trans prk, which is a discussion for itself. and there's also ICL surgery.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lasik or trans prk, which is a discussion for itself
      What is there to discuss? What benefits does LASIK even offer other than shorter recovery, which is absolutely not worth the increased risk of complications?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >endmyopia homosexuals see lasik thread and be like
      >ENTER
      Well yes. People are naive and trust authority (in this case lasik operators, which aren't even doctors) without questioning and don't even try to contemplate what the surgery does to their eyes. Lasik is a crime against humanity, even the FDA guy who approved it agrees.
      If OP wants an informed opinion he/she/whatever should look for people who got it 10-15 years ago.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >endmyopia homosexuals see lasik thread and be like
      >ENTER
      Well yes. People are naive and trust authority (in this case lasik operators, which aren't even doctors) without questioning and don't even try to contemplate what the surgery does to their eyes. Lasik is a crime against humanity, even the FDA guy who approved it agrees.
      If OP wants an informed opinion he/she/whatever should look for people who got it 10-15 years ago.

      https://i.imgur.com/H5QSuzQ.jpg

      [...]
      I do hope you're getting enough lead at least, anon

      >I do hope you're getting enough lead at least, anon
      I hope too, though I'm not sure of the correct dose yet. I suppose those endmyopia people got enough lead unknowingly, and their eyesight fixed.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I AINT DOIN NO TRANS SURGERY YA HEAR ME

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ICL does seem like the best bet, shame it's so damn expensive

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I do hope you're getting enough lead at least, anon

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any long term experiences with PRK? I'm 29 and planning to get ot before next year.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      interested too contacts make my eyes dry

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Contour lasik
    Very good chance of better than 20/20 vision

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wore glasses for 15 something years, awful for everything sports related.
    Tried lenses for 3 years, way better than glasses for everything, but a pain to keep replacing them, putting them on and taking them off, etc. Swimming was particularly shitty because you can't swim with either glasses or contacts.
    Got lasik and I would do it again 10 times if I needed. The surgery is nightmare tier, but the result is worth.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I would do it again 10 times if I needed.
      You will need, but you can't.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        two more weeks?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on lifestyle.
          Myopia is eyes accommodating to strain caused by watching too close objects by elongation. The bigger the prescription the more objects become too close. Laser surgery does not fix the elongation so if/when for some reason you start looking too much from too close you restart the vicious circle of strain-elongation from your last prescription.
          Eyes never fully heal after laser surgery (if they did it wouldn't work). That is why you can't have it twice.
          Older people may get away, because eye lens gets less elastic and that makes focusing from too close less possible.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sigh. This is why listening to morons on the internet is a bad idea. You're partly right, just enough to be misleading convincingly. Any actual eye specialist will tell you that that sort of myopia stabilises by the time you're 25 at most. Which is why most reputable surgeons won't operate on you before you're a bit older.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I developed myopia in my late 20s and it got slightly worse in my early 30s. I assume it's lifestyle related because I spend a lot of time staring at screens for my job, but it's annoying since I keep reading myopia doesn't develop or get worse after mid 20s.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    kek the collective IQ on this board must be below room temperature you gays are more moronic than /x/schizos

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    quick question are you supposed to wash your hands when taking off contacts too or just when putting them on?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >are you supposed to wash your hands before getting your fingers anywhere near your eyeball
      Gee I dunno, what the frick do you think?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, we humans naturally touch our mucus areas (eyes, nose, face) the moment we interact with another person, we do it without thinking. this is most likely due to the micosa/good bacteria in our bodies collecting more samples from others to add to our own protective biome. we live in synergy with the bacteria, and they will be the ones that keep us safe, not sterilization or anti-bacterial ideas. an personal example, washing and shampooing/conditioning my hair daily/weekly led to a lot of dandruf and skin problems. washing my hair once a month with baking soda/lemon water my skin and hair are now perfect. ironic, isnt it.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Contact lenses aren't natural, and they trap the bacteria they cultivated through the night in their little contaminated container for hours on your eye, without any chance for your body to clean it.
          This is how you get infection that cost you your sight, have fun.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got prk 3 years ago. Took a while to fully recover but I was able to see 20/20 immediately.

    Three years later I’m still able to see clearly although sometimes my right eye gets slightly blurry, especially in dim lighting and at nighttime.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on which your doc recommends. I got prk and it's nice.
    Be warned it won't completely fix an astigmatism.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    got prk because my corneas were too thin for lasik.
    you are basically unable to do anything for 2 weeks because your vision is incredibly blurry. you wont be able to drive or read or work. and you wont be allowed to lift because of the strain. after the two weeks things start to get better but you wont have true 20/20 vision and be totally clear of the surgery until about 6 months after.
    my only advice is that you will be given three valium like medication for the surgery. be sure to take all three after you sign the informed consent waiver. i only took two and had a panic attack after the first eye because the surgery is like the brainwashing scene in a clockwork orange with the eye clamps.
    its worth it though.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      how was your experience after a month anon?
      asking because im going overseas in july but have prk exactly 1 month prior.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        youll be fine. your vision will be better than what it was before the surgery but it wont be "perfect" yet.
        the main reason why the first two weeks suck is that after the surgery you get a contact put over your eyes to protect the "wound" of the laser hitting your eyeball. i had never worn contacts before so that was kind of uncomfortable but you get that off within the first two weeks. after that, your eyes get better every day.
        the first week is the worst in terms of blurry vision and discomfort. after the surgery i wasnt able to open my eyes except to let the excess tears out because they were so irritated. it felt like my eyeballs were coated in sand. you will be given a painkill. i only took them for the first day. after the first day there is just mild discomfort until you get the contact out and blurriness until the 10 to 14 day mark.
        in sum, dont sweat it but the first week is going to suck hard.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        So you have 1.5-2 months from now?
        You can get a chink pair of +1 or +2 reading glasses($10 or something), wear it for a few hours every day and see what happens.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I did lasik and its pretty great. really quick and they're bullshitting you about not being able to drive afterwards.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I did PRK because I the idea of a flap in the eye made my spine crawl. PRK is better for a physical life anyway. No risk of the flap opening. It's about a week of feeling like there's glass in your eye and being bed bound. Went from 50/20 to 15/20. Cost me 4k. Don't panic when the laser melts down your eye even though it's scary as frick. It's the same kind of vision blurring like putting pressure on your eyelid. Overall would recommend.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lasik or PRK
    Neither. Take the ICL pill.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, it's not a permanent fix and most of the lasik surgeons wear glasses which is a bit telling.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your eyes will get bad again. All these procedures dont fix the underlying disease which is using your eyes the wrong way.

    We are hunters and gatherers made for scanning the savanna horizon for predators NOT looking at screens 24/7.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Millions of people had lasik, prk and smile by now, you tard. Some of them 20 years ago. How many of them regressed?

      You fricking tards say the most moronic things without backing any of them up, its infuriating. If a significant percentage of people regressed after such surgery, it would be known far and wide, because there's no way in hell those people would keep quiet.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are naive beyond help. Almost adorable.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it would be known far and wide
          It is. They tell you it's possible, but it's rare so you think it's normal when it happens to you and you are just one of the few least fortunate. And it's not the only problem caused by laser surgery. Dry eyes is even worse and it's also not rare at all.
          Find 20 people who had surgery a decade ago and you will see how "rare" these are.

          I know MANY people who've had lasik, prk, or smile. They're all happy as frick about it. None of them regressed, some of them had it many years ago. You people are insane.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it would be known far and wide
        It is. They tell you it's possible, but it's rare so you think it's normal when it happens to you and you are just one of the few least fortunate. And it's not the only problem caused by laser surgery. Dry eyes is even worse and it's also not rare at all.
        Find 20 people who had surgery a decade ago and you will see how "rare" these are.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s cope for “men” who are too pussy to wear contacts or get lasik.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Your eyes will get bad again

      Have you tried not being poor? Even if the eyes do eventually get bad again, you just get another surgery.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I had it 12 years ago now and it was never 20/20 but it's functional, good enough, happy to have the procedure

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got artiflex eye lenses like 10 years ago. best thing ever. and simply can remove them when the times come. never do anything none-reversible to your eyes

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    PRK. The recovery is longer but there's no chance of fused tear ducts

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't do either you moron. The detriments and damage from the procedures far outway the benefits. Stick to wearing glasses and contacts.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    where my keratoconus bros at

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      My brother is basically going blind from keratoconus and uveitis. He might have 20 years, or he might have 2, and there's no way to know. Dude got a raw deal.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        CXL an option?
        stopped my vision from worsening

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a vicious cycle. He undergoes a ton of different procedures and it's a minor medical miracle they've managed to keep his right eye functioning for so long.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    i got the one where they don't have to cut your eye. best thing i've ever done for myself. find a good clinic and go for it. i also had one of my funniest moments afterwards
    >get ambien or something before from doctor
    >before i lay down for procedure, they ask me to read a clock across the room
    >i was borderline blind, could barely see the clock, tell the doctor i can't see it
    >do procedure
    >they sit me back up and ask me to read the clock
    >can see the clock hands but too groggy from ambien to tell the time
    >nervously say "uhhh, i can't tell time"

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lasik SMILE. It's lasik without the flap.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The success rate of LASIK is nevertheless very high, with a 96% patient satisfaction rate, as noted by the Journal of Cataract and Refractive Surgery. Eric Donnenfeld, MD, former president of the American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery, has completed over 85,000 successful procedures. Of these, Donnenfeld reports 96 to 98% of LASIK patients have 20/20 vision post-surgery.
    >gambling your eyes on a 2-4% chance to be fricked for life with dryness, starbursts, not night vision and flap separation because you're too much of a b***h to learn how to spend 30 seconds each morning touching your eyes to put contacts on
    L M A O
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    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eyes eventually lose their tolerance to contact lenses as you age. I imagine you're still in your 20s, so you feel ok wearing contacts all the time.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to become an astronaut. I realize the odds of this are like .00001%, but what would be the best procedure to get perfect vision for this purpose? At the moment I wear daily contacts. -8.00 in each eye. Yeah, I'm blind as frick.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >IST - Astronaut Recruitment Center

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    eye problems are due to the muscles controlling the eye, not the eye itself, the eye naturally wants to and will see perfectly, the strain of the eye muscles brought on by stress pull the eye, either laterally or horizontally creating an eyeball not spherical and therefore creating myopia or hypermetropia, astigmatism, lazy eye. Bates Method discusses all this, i would suggest anyone with vision issues read this material, the more you strain to see the worse your eye sight will become. the secret is relaxation. lasik and eye glasses are modern day snake oil, this is why they are sold on every street corner, and once you start the process your vision just gets worse (after minor initial improvements, why people think it works)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this thing that works 96% of the time is snake oil
      >instead just use this mystical technique called relaxing your eyes and your vision will improve!
      >works 0% of the time except for some people who lied, and have been proven to be lying for decades
      im in the "lasik is an insane gamble that will result in reading glasses later" camp, but at least it isn't completely made up. are you going to suggest penis enlargement techniques as well?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >works 96% of the time
        >1 in 25 gets rekt
        You guys are insane.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this thing that works 96% of the time is snake oil
      >instead just use this mystical technique called relaxing your eyes and your vision will improve!
      >works 0% of the time except for some people who lied, and have been proven to be lying for decades
      im in the "lasik is an insane gamble that will result in reading glasses later" camp, but at least it isn't completely made up. are you going to suggest penis enlargement techniques as well?

      >but at least it isn't completely made up.
      He's probably right that it's muscles though, but bates method is snake oil, it makes your pupils contract (more than it already is) which makes your vision seemingly sharper for a while, but you can't focus further. One way to relax your muscles are eye drops (which is acceoted science), but the real reason why your muscles contract is lead deficiency. It is even visible on posture and cultures tested for it to not let affected people in. (as it causes mental problems as well)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh lead deficiency
        Dude frick off with this moronic bullshit, I've had myopia since I was like 14 and been working as a shooting instructor for the past 3 years, my lead levels are fricking elevated and my vision didn't change. How the frick would anyone even suffer from lead deficiency, the average human has orders of magnitude more lead in their blood now than even before in human history because of shit like leaded gasoline.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because when you were a child you didn't go outside and get sun. Un-ironically.

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Had PRK half a year ago, best decision I've ever made. The risk of flap detachment from mma/boxing bothered me too much for lasik. was able to drive after 3 days, could work out after a week(was paranoid about debris/sweat). You will be more sensitive to direct sunlight, but this seems to be diminishing-buy some cool sunglasses. They were able to correct my vision past what it was with glasses, so being able to see things to a degree of clarity and focus for the first time ever is a humbling experience. Use your artificial tears every day. Do it for months.
    You're all going to make it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >get surgery
      >still have to do a daily ritual with eye drops, plus your eyes are now sensitive to sunlight for life
      Might as well get contacts and enjoy their added UV protection instead. Not shitting at you because you said it corrected your sight beyond what glasses could, but most people can get perfect vision with glasses/contacts.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The eye drops are a temporary measure to prevent some side effects that scare people off such as bluring of lights at night-everyone has to do it after surgery for recovery to be complete and without complications. I've weaned off the drops completely.
        >having to depend on manufacturers of glasses and contacts to have corrected vision
        No thanks lmao I'll just squint a bit in direct sunlight or wear sunglasses.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got lasic. Perfect vision the day after the operation. Absolutely no downsides. Quick and painless. Best money I ever spent, plus I lucked out and this usually expensive clinic had 50% off deal so I got it done for about 600 euros

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I had ASA (fancy word for PRK) around this time of year in 2017. Can't really focus in close-up like I used to, but long distance is still going strong.

    Whenever I see blue lights at night, I see double- they split into two.

    Dry eyes, have to take fish oil pills every day or I get a headache. Now I have to wear safety glasses if I'm outside or else the air dries my eyes out too much. I also can't go in the sun without sunglasses- the surgery made me develop a light sensitivity.

    I would not recommend anyone get laser eye surgery. However, since I started out with myopia and didn't learn about SMILE until this thread, maybe that would have been a better option for me.

    It is nice though being able to see clearly in the shower, as soon as I wake up, if I wake up in the middle of the night to look at the clock, swimming, etc. And my night vision definitely improved. I can also see out my front windshield in the rain more effectively than before.

    Whatever you do, though, don't do business with Viridian Blue Consulting, and do not get your eye surgery done at Magruder Laser Vision. They WILL lie to you.

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >falling for the luxottica israelite
    >falling for the eye-circumcision israelite
    >not just calibrating your eyes
    https://www.youtube.com/@endmyopia
    https://wiki.endmyopia.org/

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      look up endmyopia

      Just assume you dont have myopia

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      has this worked for anyone here? It seems like a nice idea and because of that I don't wear my contacts/glasses until I need to go to the gym later in the day but I have not noticed any improvements. Granted, I sit in front of a computer most of the day and do not do the exercises.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not exactly that, but yes:

        I went from -4.5 to -2.5 by wearing two pairs of lenses 0.5 apart. Stronger when I need to see (driving, going out, dating), weaker when it's not important (working, hiking, etc.). When working (office job) trying to see from as far as possible.

        I have progress mostly in summer. I also get a lot of sun exposure. I think it's connected.

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I drink car battery sludge and I'm still -4 in both eyes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the opposite of lead. You have to eat the cell plates.

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wake up in the morning
    >shits blurry as frick
    >squeeze the size of my eyeballs through eyelid
    >pop
    >see better
    Anyone else?

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got PRK in 2014. Eyes still going strong.

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    My uncle is an ophthalmologist and he says that 95% of the guys he sees who insist on PRK over LASIK are right wing extremists prepping for SHTF.

    With that said, my uncle is also a right wing extremist whose hobbies include prepping for SHTF.

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Find someone who can perform Advanced Surface Treatment where they don't have to cut a flap or anything. The laser can be calibrated to take into account the refraction of the eye, so there's no need to cut a flap or flatten the outside of the eye.

    I got it about 18 months ago, and have had no complications and a smooth recovery.

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    My local pharmach has prebuilt glasses with -2, -3.5, etc..
    Are they worth for eye training?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Just be careful about PD.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >careful about PD.
        Elaborate

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pupillary distance - the other parameter of your head. Glasses have it too (distance between centers of the lenses) and it's much better if they match yours.

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you’re considering any kind of laser eye surgery, look into ASA. Recovery time is a few weeks but complication rate is way lower long-term. I had it done 7 years ago and have had no side effects with great vision. LASIK is just instant gratification for a worse result and PRK is older tech than ASA.

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    PRK over LASIK
    Equal or better results, no thinning of cornea, no flap/weak spot - the recovery is a bit worse but still not that bad. Just make sure you go to a reputable doctor, not just the cheapest one

  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    did PRK 3 years ago, so good man. The only side effect is sometimes before sleeping when I'm doom scrolling my eyes get a bit dry

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got lasik about 8 months ago. Its going well so far. The only thing that I think is different is maybe a little bit of halos on car/street lights when driving at night, and maybe my eyes are a bit red more often (no discomfort tho). Although I really think nothing has changed and I might be a bit paranoid. I got Lasik bc i look better without glasses, doesnt matter tho im still an incel bc im 5'7. I'd say do it if u want.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      red eyes are usually the dryness

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    LASIK is for poors, get PRK or SMILE.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      lasik and prk is same price no?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good surgeons will be more expensive and offer more options. Cheap surgeons only offer lasik.

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