Leanness is not attractive on men. You look like a homosexual. What no one wants to talk about is that, if you wanna get big, you gotta eat big. There's no shortcuts around it. Everyone posts that picture of the chad looking guy with holding the beer can here - you know the one. You think that guy is 140lbs? You think that guy is looking for his """abs""" in the mirror every night? It's hard to squat 315 lbs for reps to depth unless you're big and strong. Don't believe me? I challenge every 130lb 6'0 DYEL here to try it. You won't even be able to take a step back likely.
>b-but I don't care about bench or squat or deadlifts!! le powershitters!!!
fair enough. but if you want to look very strong (not """lean""", not like a pretty boy tiny flamer, not like a Kpop bug) - if you want to look strong: you have to lift heavy. and in order to lift heavy, day after day, and add weight you gotta eat big. 200lbs is the floor.
>b-but girls don't like strong dudes!!
you're statistically incorrect, it's that simple.
>https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819#d3e552
Rated strength is the MAIN predictor of men's bodily attractiveness to women.
>Two studies by Sell, Lukazsweski, and Townsley (2017) published by the Royal Society examining the preferences of 160 young female raters, found a very strong (r = 0.85) correlation between bodily attractiveness and rated physical strength. Furthermore, they discovered that contrary to popular views about men's bodily attractiveness, there was a linear relationship between perceived strength and bodily attractiveness, i.e the men that were perceived as the strongest were also perceived as the most attractive.
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ok. i literally do not care.
OP's argument irrevocably refuted
/thread OP is a moron who still cares about others opinions
t. 18%+ BF fatty cope
Also,
>tl;dr
>18%
>fat
I know you don’t have any muscle mass
>18%
>not fat
A healthy athletic male should have a visible six pack.
OP is fat
Fat ass simp ong
>Leanness is not attractive on men.
man i dont give a frick, i feel fat, my face is pudgy and i got b***h breasts, im going to get fricking shredded and i dont care what you have to say
OP can't be more than 17% BF. That is pretty lean by non BB standards
That’s like 23% no cap
that's like 20% bf
dude he's got love handles and a noticeable belly. He's at least 25%,
It’s not him dummy that is literally one of the examples from the Reddit physique poll
He is obviously even fatter which is based
op is an incel that spends his time thinking about other men's bodies
This is true for many women. It varies woman to woman.
>words words words
The left can’t meme.
homie i just said i hate being chubby, im around 200lbs and i hate touching my body and feeling fat and having b***h breasts, ima cut (playing it smart though) and be satisfied with my body, i want to reveal my muscles, not everybody is going bloatmaxx sorry
have you tried lifting weights?
thats all i been doing, was kind of a dirty bulk, the muscle is there i just want to reveal it more vividly
also
>Weight is unattractive after controlling for how strong a man looks. The zero-order correlation between weight and attractiveness is positive, but this reverses once ratings of strength are controlled for. This is consistent with the hypothesis that women's mate choice mechanisms respond to muscle mass positively but large stores of body fat negatively.
Um... Anon... they like skinny guys too though...
>literally exactly proves the point of the study
the most attractive man is an adult man: ie, one who can lift 1/2/3/4 and is at least 200lbs. If you can't do these, you're a boy, not a man.
>most attractive
by like, 3.4% lol
skinny is more consistently attractive across the board compared to obesity though lol
also i imagine that this study size is probably very small
1.9% here is too damn high
Just means 2% of girls have a sense of humor. You know not everyone takes surveys seriously right?
If you could magically get one of these physiques which one you taking
5 for me
I’d like to be somewhere in between a 1 and a 4. Not as shredded as 1 and not as much fat as 4.
>between 1 and 4
good cause you a 2
You'd lose it in a month
LMAO even the fatass is more desirable than the roider lmao
Fat b***hes can only get with Fat men.
They'll claim otherwise but I've never seen an exception to this unless the guys a twink.
>Fat b***hes can only get with Fat men
>unless they get with twinks
Wow did you use your brain moron
>Fat b***hes can only get with Fat men.
I've rarely ever see this combination. If anything fat people view themselves as siblings and don't want to be incestuous.
Damn I look like number two
I look like number 8, but OP's correct, burly is better as long as you're strong
Sample size: 100 fat b***hes who actually respond to surveys
Doesn't matter, women are a hivemind
I'm number 2, how do I get from there to OP picture? Currently loosing weight via diet
+ light cardio.
lol who responded to this study?there's absolutely no fricking way that more women prefer 3 than 5. 3 is even more popular than 2, which i consider to be the average fatass build. 3 is just straight up morbidly obese, dead at 45 fat. this is some bullshit science right here
The strongest guy looks like #4, who is the most popular. #3 and #7 both look fit, healthy, and strong. They're both popular. #11 is a tank. Those 4 capture ~60% of the population.
~20% prefer skinny or worse. Nobody wants an obvious roider (#1/#5).
>tfw forever 6
> actual irl girl here
All apart from 8/10/12 are acceptable but #4 makes me feel some type of wAy
>2nd most popular is half-starved jesus christ (#9)
wtf, is this what netflix basedboys do to women's brains?
Super pale skin and supper skinny with some "muscle". Think Twilight vampire.
Of course he doesn't have any actual muscle and that pic is all angle and lighting while flexing to try and make it look like he has muscle. But he'd never actually look like that walking around.
>3d
movin like bernie gif in the current year
?t=18
Im gonna be honest. I didnt read ur wall of text because i dont care
>fatty coping
Didn’t read post body
you're deep in the closet. just suck a wiener and get it over with
I don't think any rational person would say OPs pic is fat and looks bad.
You can cleaarly see shoulder, tri and bicep separation.
Large chest muscles without looking like gyno breasts and visible traps.
And while you can't makeout the individual abs, it's not a pudgy blob either, there is shape which makes him look very strong.
Having said that, I don't think the guy in OP is 200lbs.
He's an old tripgay who used to post here but doesn't come here often anymore. Think he said he likes IST the last time I saw him post.
Pic related was the last post I remember of him.
Hadn't been to the gym in a few months because of covid.
This is(was?) his latest workout routine and yes the picture is the same guy as OP
Is that OCB or whatever his name was from like 10 years ago?
a grown man who isn't 5'2 has to be 200lbs minimum to look like that. sorry, eating onions chips once a day aint gonna cut it.
tinytrip was called tinytrip for a reason. same with quad. they were like 5'5. the only time you can look good (ie not a twink b***h) at like 150 is if you're a literal manlet. cope and cry.
>go into this thread ready to these
>manlets can be 150
Epic win
Whoops meant seethe not these
OP's pic has muffin top. He's fat and would look terrible without angle maxing.
You would just have to develop your upper, which should be a no brainer, but people here fetishize squatz and lower routines so much
bitchbreasts
You’re a fat ass, leanness is amazing
Fatties don't look strong though
>the data doesn't lie, b***h boys. you can cry and whine but you look like a fricking pussy. no one gives a frick about your "abs" you 120lb twink, you're barely distinguishable from a girl, do you even lift? you can seethe but why do you think zoomer girls like older, muscular men?
That guy is pretty lean compared to the average man in America.
Beer can guy has abs.
almost certainly on roids though
>almost certainly
there's not even a smidgen of doubt, assuming the photograph isn't edited
>It's another fatty cope thread
if you would put half as much effort into losing weight as coping online, you would be fit by now
Do you think 315 is an impressive squat? 315 is only an impressive squat for the 130lb-140lb dyels you are talking about. I hate people like you, people who hit 200lbs for the first time and think they’re some sort of apex predator. Yeah bro your 1/2/3/4 is really impressive at 200lbs. have a nice day. You think you’re some big shot with your 3pl8 bench, you can make fun of the little guys? You are a little guy.
Nobody cares about abbs?
Right I guess getting hit on basically every day since I got visible abbs vs getting hit on perhaps once per month prior.
Right, stay pleb stay gay.
Do you just walk around shirtless all day or can women sense your abs through your shirt?
leanness is in the face too. Honestly I felt like OP then I went on a cut just to see if I could do it. I wasn’t even fat and I’ve not even finished my cut. I’ve lost like 6kg and women now smile at me in the street. I don’t have any neck fat anymore and can shave my beard comfortably. I don’t even have a huge double chin or anything but now I have a much more chad jaw. I’d recommend you try it even if only once to see what you look like. You’re telling me you’ve got the commitment to stick to bodybuilding for years but you can’t do a cut for like a month or 2? Sounds to me like insecurity of losing size or cope for not being able to stop pigging. For me it was both. Turns out I barely lost any muscle mass and my face looks better. Can always get fatter again it’s not difficult either way
I have a handsome face so I don't have to worry about all this stuff.
Nice downlighting + anglemaxxing fatass
Women like aesthetic men, not land whales like you that move weight like slaves
I don't want to get lean for women. I want to get lean for sport specific performance (climbing). good luck hanging one handed on a 20mm edge with that body.
Nice trips. Also based getting lean not for chicks.
ITT: powerfatties
>Leanness is not attractive on men.
I don't want to look attractive to men
>You look like a homosexual.
If you want to see attractive men, you are a homosexual.
>me 6’3” @ 182lbs
>start eating more
>goes straight to my gut and nowhere else
I HATE THIS SHIT. I need to increase the size of my stick arms and delts, not my gut.
Then LIFT you fricknugget.
That’s what I am doing, dipshit. Have to stay at maintenance or deficit so I don’t have big gut tho.
im trying to get 18-24 yo pussy bro and they want ottermode or lean pill face aesthetics with andrew tate alpha chad personality dominating them and choking them in bed shit
If you got a fat face its over for you with women, no girl will be attracted to a fatty just because he can squat more than an ottermode chad with aesthetic face.
>muh women like this and that
>so we must do them
NGMI
But only lean men look good in briefs.
Slow down on the squats with those monstrous quads gigantosaurus
?
his legs are small compared to upper body lmao
exactly dumbass
A real man has 20%+ bodyfat
he looks like he's one foot in the grave already. Super strong guy, far from the best but somehow pushed by YT and the likes. Why the frick would you look up to someone who is 37 going on 60, close to death from roids and overeating. Why the frick do you wanna destroy all your joints by the time you are 40-50? Do you think you will be as strong as him? Do you think you will achieve great strongman/PL success. You won't, but keep jerking your brain off about how you're a big strong man and GLHF with your snapped up shit if you don't prioritise health-maxxing.
6'0 210lbs btw
Being ripped is an indicator of strength to normies.
Having no V shape whatsoever is not.
Cope however you want fatty.
Seethe, fatty. Lifting weights isn't difficult, staying lean is.
>75 replies
Kek looks like i made the little girls cry with this one huh 🙂 good to know
But can you even run 10km without rest? I bet you can't, bloathomosexual
>Leanness is not attractive on men.
Are you a gay or is this a powershitter cope? Worst thread on IST right now.
Being obese is the worst thing that's happened to me and you should stop coping with "bearmode", "bloatmaxxing" and other garbage to justify eating like a fat pig.
You're not going to be healthy no matter how much you lift. High body fat also inhibits testosterone production and therefore your gains. Your face will look like shit. You'll struggle breathing and sleeping.
>t. formerly obese, pic on the right is current, pic on the left is from May, and I was even fatter back then
Take the leanpill. It's not THAT hard to cut and it's worth it. I still have a lot of work to do but all fat anons reading this : get to work and stop coping. Doesn't matter if you lift lighter in the end, you will never be huge and lean unless you blast anyway.
stay mad
how do ig et that tkaind of ovbody
Year and years of powerlifting+bb splits. 1/8th of AAAA indica and half-pint of vodka e’eryday bro stay mad
>years and years of lifting
>for that
oh no no no
Post body
Noodle arms
Wear briefs, they will compliment your body
why are all these dyel fricks completely ignore leg day? it looks ridiculous, makes you look weak as frick, as you probably are.
t. fat, balding and bearded
imagine if this guy hit arms and legs
465 diddly
355 skwat
255 binch
16 plate leg press
maxed out (245) on leg extension machine
I have crazy leg striations actually
arms - I don't think I've "hit arms" in over a decade. The only people who have "arm day" at the gyms I go to are fat disgusting homosexuals like yourself
damn why are u so insecure? all im saying is your arms and legs do not look impressive. you need to hit arms and legs more. btw im 150 lb so i dont think i qualify a fat digusting homosexual
all I’m saying is you are a dyel homosexual who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and is in completely over his head
>calling someone else DYEL with those 13 inch guns
Your lifts aren’t impressive either
yea bro ima just keep hitting that arm day 😉
men don't think about attractiveness. men that act like women are not attractive to women.
As a former fattie that got to 11% bodyfat, you're moronic. I didn't fully read through your post, nor did I click on the link but I suppose you went with that one graph that had these 8-10 different male body types listed that women chose from. Thing is, their inputs are unreliable. The average person is a hedonistic dumb b***h that refuses to improve. Women of this kind will also lie about their preferences to not have to improve for that type of person while still expecting Chad to show up at her door one day. Women lie all the time to protect their own image. What you're doing is the equivalent of a moron that ignores all sorts of collected anecdotal evidence from people's lives just to make a dumb and unrealistic claim like "Being ugly doesn't matter! All of us are treated the same, because the participants of this study all said so!".
Literally kys, fat piece of shit.
you have no idea how dirty women are and how bad they want the sex when they want you
women love muscles they are more shallow than men
Oh I do, dw. I'm so glad I'm a fan of squats coz goddamn do these mfs like randomly grabbing your glutes.
i was always insecure but then one day literally the hottest 10/10 instagram fitness girl in the gym asked me out. I was so surprised you have no idea. But then I said that to one of the gymbros and he was like
>yeah anon that blonde annonnette I always talk to, she wants your dick BAD
then I realized that the look girls give me, I thought was scorn or disgust, is them just playing hard to get, trying to get me to think they don't fancy me but in reality they want the dick
ever since that girl asked me out i've been macking girls left right and center
Brother just read the abstract, leanness and tallness is more favourable in women than strength but this study focused just on that (upper body strength)....
The thing is that being lean and big is very difficult unless you have an above average bone structure/frame. And if you can get big while staying lean, if you get fatter you're going to look even bigger. So you're just better off not being lean if you want to maximize size. People underestimate the importance of fat in giving you the appearance of looking big.
Fat is your friend as long as you dont go overboard. Built-fat master race chuds!
Meh, I was pretty big and built for a while but women started literally eyeraping me and suddenly greeting me in the gym when I got shredded, where they more or less ignored me before
Beauty is basically genetic health. It happens that 12-17% is the general range for lean and health in men. So just stay in that range and you'll all be fine. Below 12 is gay though
While I agree with the general sentiment, squats and deadlifts are useless for looking strong. It doesn't matter how fricking much you can squat, only gymcels and homosexuals will ever look at your fricking quads. When people in general evaluate whether or not a person looks strong, they only look at the upper body. I'm not saying skip leg day, but if your goal is to look strong to the average normie, leg day will do nothing to help you achieve that.
>squats and deadlifts are useless for looking strong
Big glutes, traps, and lats makes you look strong
Okay then post gf or wife fatty
>.t fat man who refuses to lose weight because muh strength
Notice the face is always cropped on these builtfat examples. That's because they have double chins.
there is no need to be upset
all a =/= b
What not enough people discuss is the reality that different people with different genetic predispositions can look better/worse at different bodyfat levels relative to others. In my case, i have mild gyno so at higher bodyfat levels i look way shittier than some people do.
Also, face gains...face gains are hardcore underrated. 90% of men have more chiseled masculine faces at lower bodyfat levels.
one time in thousands of posts, a bright fellow appears and spreads some truth.
there is no one size fits them all, there is no "what woman want", there may be tendencies, but no absolute truth. this kind of thinking is especially prevalent among codemonkeys and other math oriented fellows.
neither is d-bol fluff
cope fatc**t, weirdo as a male you are trying to tell other males whats attractive when your post was fueled by the seethe of knowing women have and always will prefer lean muscle than bloated mongs compensating for 4 inch dicks
>is dogmatic about what is or is not attractive
>posts a pic where you can't even see the guy's face
I promise you this guy's face is fat and unattractive.
Fatty on damage control after getting BTFO by first post.
Shut up
Sergei was buff af in black ops but he still died under the giant steel door, meanwhile Mason and Reznov escape
Most people won’t look nearly as good as pic related if they bulk. You need really elite arm genetics to pull off this build without just looking pudgy.
pic rel is pretty lean for normie standards
You demoralizing troons REALLY need to learn the art of tl;dr. I'm not reading all your moronic shit.
Digits and OP joins the 41%
>Estimates of physical strength determined over 70% of men's bodily attractiveness. Additional analyses showed that tallness and leanness were also favoured, and, along with estimates of physical strength, accounted for 80% of men's bodily attractiveness.
Its definitely an interesting article, thanks for posting OP I read it all.
I would definitely disagree that the correlation with more and more strength equals more attractiveness. The sample size was a bunch of college kids and probably did not include a single seriously strong guy. Can you imagine how well Kyriakos Grizzly would of done in terms of rated for attractiveness?
IMO, a guy who is 5'10 and can 1/2/3/4 at 180lbs is pretty much golden. He could go beyond that and get seriously strong with 30% bodyfat, but it would be a negative hindrance on his attractiveness. The study did not include these end ranges of strength
Lifting weights for the opinions of women, OP will never make it
Lift for yourself.
Also do anabolic steroids, natural lifting is gay like AIDS.
Get rejected by the femboy again eh Chad?
Sorry big fella. This doesn't follow my first hand anecdotal experience, and will be discarded as such. Good afternoon
Cope shit bloatlord
bro... stop the mental gymnastics and just lose the weight. it's not that fricking hard
>Leanness is not attractive on men
Thats, like, your opinion man.
>you're statistically incorrect, it's that simple.
Lean and strong are not mutually exclusive.
Also both your sources imply girls have any idea what they think.
>Leanness is not attractive on men
he looks like hafthor if he didn't lift
hi guys im a gay twink and just here to let u know that this body type is what I and many women are attracted to. Try to achieve this. Byyyyeeee
There is a sweet spot its called looking "chiseled". the maximum about of muscle that doesn't break the form of the human frame. Being a teddy bear looking ass, or a ballon animal is laughable.
It is not attractive on women either.
If women were attracted to men's bodies in the least, we wouldn't have seen Tiger Beat sell a single copy.
jajajajajajajaja
6’2 185 12% BF 1/2/3 and I don’t deadlift because muh back. Abs and strength and hella beers on the weekend.
bros how do I gain weight? i'm 180lbs and i can dl at least 385 with very solid form and a very solid down. I want to dl at least 535
Eat like shit unironically
Or do GOMAD
yes but I don't want to eat shit and i hate cooking for myself
so you're saying just eat what i eat but eat more good carbs?
I am not saying that because I don't know what you are eating. The vertical diet is an easy to find pdf just skim it and look at the sample diets
>yes but I don't want to eat shit
You can do it for just a short before you get used to eating more.
>hate cooking for myself
That's what takeout, frozen pizzas and doritos are for.
Or you could just go crazy on carbs, it's way easier to overeat on those.
Also +1 for the vertical diet, Efferding is a genuinely knowledgeable guy.
Read the vertical diet. Basically you eat all the healthy stuff and then build up the rest of your diet with easily digestible carbs like white rice. You slowly add more food just like you add more weight to a bar.
Anon I don't care about what you think because I'm not trying to impress guys lmao homo
Bros am I gonna look like shit at 215 lbs 5'11? I am so burnt out of cutting