Let's take a look at the wikipedia entry for Ancel Keys, the man who science-washed the evils of american industry.

Let's take a look at the wikipedia entry for Ancel Keys, the man who science-washed the evils of american industry. Hopefully it captures his cynical, decades-long prostitution of Science in the name of industry, harming millions if not billions of people in the process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Incel Keys

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll say it again, the american/western diet is not to blame on a single man alone. It is the result of the great depression causing the shortage of high quality ingredients and the vast expanse of the american nation calling for the use of preservatives to preserve foods during transport from one coast to the other

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ancel Keys? More like INCEL GAYS AMIRITE LMAOOOO

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's weird. Not only does the Controversy section seem to ignore what Keys did, it seems to imply that anyone that criticizes Keys is some fringe low carb whacko? That seems really suspicious. Let's have a closer look and see if the discussion page can shed some light on this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow that's crazy. It seems that people have noticed how weirdly biased this section is. But there's this one guy who seems to think it is fine? Let's take a closer look at this user

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Moxyte! He's busy ruining Wikipedia as well

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd like to ask why fruitarianism is listed as a fad diet while veganism is not? Don't they have the exact same faults?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same diet diffent cult and fruiters didn't get in bed with animal rights pressure groups so they don't have the same backing or rhetoric.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I want this to be true. How do you know it's moxyte?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lol, moxyte is so fricking mentally ill, he spends his entire day spaming fit with his shit, has his own subreddit he spams and now he even spams wikipedia

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for noticing things anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/LKLJtXk.png

      Wow that's crazy. It seems that people have noticed how weirdly biased this section is. But there's this one guy who seems to think it is fine? Let's take a closer look at this user

      https://i.imgur.com/ZCvdebQ.png

      Moxyte! He's busy ruining Wikipedia as well

      One thing those low-carb wackos attacking Keys never ever show is later studies showing the results of his research were demonstrated to be untrue. Because no such study exists. It all has been only reinforced for 50 years straight. Why wouldn't it be, causal connection to saturated fat was known 20 years before Keys.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, what? The reason that Keys is so controversial is that he hid data that showed that reducing saturated fat doesn't reduce mortality. We can argue all day about the particulars of the study and what it means re cholesterol, but the guy went out of his way to hide data

        https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/upshot/a-study-on-fats-that-doesnt-fit-the-story-line.html

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The reason that Keys is so controversial
          he isn't controversial
          only ketogays say stupid shit like that
          he was right and lived a long life following his own advice unlike his critics

          >wow wikipedia is run by morons?
          >this is news to asbsolutely no one

          It's OUR moron

          OP?
          possible

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >. Because no such study exists.
        His own research showed it to be untrue. That's why he never published the results of the Minnesota Coronary Experiment
        https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246%20
        >The MCE (1968-73) is a double blind randomized controlled trial designed to test whether replacement of saturated fat with vegetable oil rich in linoleic acid reduces coronary heart disease and death by lowering serum cholesterol. Recovered MCE unpublished documents and raw data were analyzed according to hypotheses prespecified by original investigators.

        >The experiment was funded by the US Public Health Service and National Heart Institute through the R01 mechanism (HE 09686), with Ivan Frantz as principal investigator and Ancel Keys as co-principal investigator.

        > The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline −13.8% v −1.0%; P<0.001). Kaplan Meier graphs showed no mortality benefit for the intervention group in the full randomized cohort or for any prespecified subgroup. There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001). There was no evidence of benefit in the intervention group for coronary atherosclerosis or myocardial infarcts.

        >Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry, what? The reason that Keys is so controversial is that he hid data that showed that reducing saturated fat doesn't reduce mortality. We can argue all day about the particulars of the study and what it means re cholesterol, but the guy went out of his way to hide data

          https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/upshot/a-study-on-fats-that-doesnt-fit-the-story-line.html

          Real curiosity is why those results can't be replicated anymore. My bet is on "likely hydrogenated so likely transfats" in what was supposed to be veggie oils. That was characteristic of early studies, that old Australian study showed the same thing. That's how they discovered the whole transfat thing in the first place.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably because of the study design. The MCE was carried out in mental institutions where it was possible to completely control the diet of participants. There was no scope for people to lie about their food intake or sneak non-study meals.
            Most other diet studies rely on questionnaires and self-reported food diaries, whereas the MCE was an actual controlled experiment.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So was a Finnish study specifically made to replicate that study and didn't get matching results
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/393644/

              https://i.imgur.com/UV6LtNZ.jpeg

              >My bet is on "likely hydrogenated so likely transfats" in what was supposed to be veggie oils
              Unlikely. Unsaturated fats are hydrogenated to make them rigid at room temperature and extend their shelf life by making it harder for them to go rancid.

              Who knows then why that ended up being an outlier. Guesses?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >My bet is on "likely hydrogenated so likely transfats" in what was supposed to be veggie oils
            Unlikely. Unsaturated fats are hydrogenated to make them rigid at room temperature and extend their shelf life by making it harder for them to go rancid.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The overwhelming majority of modern science isn't replicated anymore.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you refer to replication crisis, it's referring to things that can't be replicated (humanities and liberal arts nonsense). Scientific replication means taking previous theories and trying to falsify their hard result. It's rarely done with exact same formula (not even physicists, can only publish paper of light speed in vacuum that many times). This far Ancel Keys hasn't been shown to be wrong and it's been 50 years of constant replication.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you refer to replication crisis, it's referring to things that can't be replicated (humanities and liberal arts nonsense)
                that makes zero sense moron. of course it's referring to scientific studies

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not scientifically literate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This far Ancel Keys hasn't been shown to be wrong and it's been 50 years of constant replication.
                The growth of the American waistline following low fat recommendations says otherwise.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it especially applies to biomedical studies as well, moron. ESPECIALLY dietary ones.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wikipedia is not even hiding its biased beliefs, OP. It's not like the information on there is free for just anyone to edit. A handful of people make and approve all edits.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly Big Sugar creating the 'Low Fat' narrative was a bigger damnation of America than anything.
    The obesity skyrocketed once that happened.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I see my quick mention of Ancel Keys in the other thread worked
    It's so easy. I knew all I had to do was mention your boogeyman for infinite (You)s but I had no clue you'd seethe so hard you'd need to create an entire new thread to contain it.

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