>machines are...

>machines are... LE BAD!
>only use free weights and nothing else!
I can't believe I actually fell for this IST scam.
So many gains missed because I believed a board where 99% of lurkers don't even go to the gym at all.
My progress became so much better and more consistent when I finally started using the dozens of different machines in the commercial gym I go to.
Where did this machine hate even come from anyway?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only use the leg machines from your picture. For back barbells and a pullup bar are 100% enough.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Starting strength

    Mark rippetoe and his cult have done a number on millennials

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      biggest gains goblin out there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rippebreasts' cult really ruined an entire generation
      thank god this board doesn't fellate that grifter fraud anymore

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some machines are nice especially for the legs.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just insecurity. its really old meme. we dont even have to go back more than 10 years when going o the gym was literally a fricking niche for the 0,000001%. Its hard for zoomers to understand but literally Gymshark did not exist. Fitness brands did not exist other than maybe GASP etc. The fitness industry was not there. There was no youtube fitness, there were no social media influencers. It didnt exist as a career path/side hustle. You had meatheads wearing tapout shirts lifting heavy weights in dungeons listening to rock/metal. There was no Black person rap on the radio. Using machines was "embarrassing" for the lack of better word. You were a woman if you were afraid to touch real iron. Like thats literally it, thats the extent of it. Even dumbbells were for women. It was only barbell lifts and 1/2/3/4 for real men.

    Obviously the scene has changed incredibly, there really isnt a reason to not use machines. They are in many ways superior but I do have to say that le functional strength is real though... It feels a lot different to handle free weights than use a machine. If you only do chest press machines and then you go on a incline and hold 50kg dumbbells its gonna feel awkward as frick first but its a one way thing. If you do primarily free weights, using machines is easy. Free weights carry better over to machines than vice versa.

    Also I guess many people may not have access to "good" gyms so they just legitimately cannot use machines or they are trash quality. Every gym has a barbell and plates (except for Planet Fitness) so it makes sense for that to be "standard". Also nobody really has machines in home gyms either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >back more than 10 years when going o the gym was literally a fricking niche for the 0,000001%
      Do zoomers actually believe this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No
        This guy is so out of touch he has no idea what generation z believes and comes up with the worst takes to attribute to them because it is le meme and is easier than talking to people

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >uh actually it was a niche hobby because it wasn’t hyper commercialized
      do zoomers really?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In my home gym I have a leg sled and a levergym. It's so convenient to pre-exhaust quads with leg extensions on my Ironmaster bench, then straight onto my leg sled. I can work one leg at a time then do both legs together with a wide stance, then bang out some calf raises.

    I think machines are just as good as free weights for legs. Free weights are only better for pressing movements, especially dumbbells which are the least taxing on ones shoulder joint, vs a barbell or machine press.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Machines give constant tension. Free weights are for people too stupid to use machines. They're called dumbbells for a reason.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT globohomosexual conspiracy revealed

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yea ok homosexual
    Machines only work for roid abusers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. never used one

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know your religion

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Muslim? That has the most machine vibe to me, since the christians have church bench bros and israelites don't lift

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only two on there are really worth using. the rest ate pretty garbage. machine are great if you have good ones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      seated row is fricking amazing if you actually use proper rom I dunno why you crossed that out. It's just as good as the cables as long as you position yourself properly, even better because you can completely take out any leaning by being pressed against the pad and strictly use your lat to pull (if you do one arm at a time)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >seated row is fricking amazing if
        it is, I agree. I'm commenting on those exact machines. I've used each one of them on that list, and only the extension and curl machines were any good. not like that's saying much, it's kinda hard to frick up the curl and extension.
        that specific row machine has too short of a stroke and the resistance wasn't high enough.

        bruh, ab crunch machines are awesome for progressively overloading your abs. You still need to do leg raises in addition to that, cause crunches don't target the lower abs well enough, but for upper abs that machine is goated. Sadly the stacks are usually not that heavy, I can easily max out the one in my gym for 20 reps

        like above it's those particular ones. they're pretty awkward to use and don't offer much resistant
        it's much easier to grab a db and a decline bench. I think I've only ever used like 2 or 3 ab machines thst were any good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bruh, ab crunch machines are awesome for progressively overloading your abs. You still need to do leg raises in addition to that, cause crunches don't target the lower abs well enough, but for upper abs that machine is goated. Sadly the stacks are usually not that heavy, I can easily max out the one in my gym for 20 reps

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        standing ab wheel is superior to bothe and can be easily overloaded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Assisted pullup is awesome for upping your pullup game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, most of those machines are fricking useless and the free weight/cable alternative is much superior, and leg curl/extension can be done with a simple bench attachment. some are really nice, though, like some of those pressing machines

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ab machines fricking suck.The leg machines, quad extension and hamstring curl, good girl/bad girl are actually good. The back machines are great if you can’t do a pull up frick this trying to hang and pull yourself up. I was heavy and when I switched to polar pull down I was able to crank out chin-ups/pull up.also the row machine is great if if you do it right

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why even train upper abs?

      I'm all about ab work but upper abs are sufficiently hit through many movements. Almost everyone that lifts gas developed upper abs.

      Lower abs are where you need to apply progressive overload.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bit of an odd list, favors some mediocre machines over some good ones. Not sure if Tbar counts as a machine but apart from that I'd say the best machines are the hack squat, a good leg curl, the adductor/abductor machine, & the smith machine.
    It should be automatically implied that you'd train calves with a machine.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >always thought the dip/pull up assisted machine was for girls
    >never used it and just struggled trying to do pull ups and never did dips cause they hurt my shoulders
    >said frick it finally and started using it on the highest weight and slowly started lowering the weight
    I've seen more gains doing assisted dips and assisted pullups/chinups (for biceps) than I've ever had before.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Machines are way too expensive and big to fit in my living room so I only have my barbell/dumbbells and a rack/bench.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >weak people general

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some are a nice, some put extra pressure on joints and tendons. Use barbells and use a lot of variety and you will get good gains anyways without having to go down a list of machines that will destroy your shoulders, knees, back, elbows, and wrist.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really? All my progress came from stopping fricking around on machines and PPL and focusing on compounds and full body routines

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post body

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You were doing something wrong then.
      Most machines are shit for raw strength compared to free weights.
      But actual hypertrophy muscle building? They are God fricking tier, high volume isolations are what many machines excels over free weights on.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some machines are garbage but they're great for adding volume and keeping things fresh. Doing endless barbell sets gets boring as frick

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a simple guy. It's more fun to train with free weights so I prefer those

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A simple guy would do exclusively machines since they require less thinking and planning.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the rotary torso machine aka the frick your back up machine

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer free weights for almost all upper body stuff but that’s just because the machines in my gym feel a bit weird, like the movement path isn’t quite right

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barbells are superior, make your body the machine.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking lol I only learned this recently and I’ve gotten stronger from taking the machinepill. I PR’d on incline dumbbell press immediately after not doing it in six months because I used incline smith and incline machine instead. I don’t even use a barbell 99% of the time and haven’t done barbell bench in months. If the machinepill is wrong, why am I making gains and getting stronger?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >exercise for 6 months
      >improve
      damn bro that’s crazy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh well if it makes my REVERSE INCLINE DUMBBELL BENCH PRESS go up then it must be good

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1,2 & 7 are the only good ones. The others are pretty meh.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it is mostly home gym gays since they don't have room to put big ass machines on

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >too dumb to realize that when he was a stupid noob and didn't know shit, free weights only was good advice
    >too dumb to realize that he now has enough training knowledge to incorporate machines and isolation work for maximum games
    intermediate lifters in a nutshell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>for maximum games

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like some machines but none give me a pump like free weights. Actual chin ups feel way better than machine assisted chins for example.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>only use free weights and nothing else!
    Standard IST doctrine. Machines are for pussies. Isolations are for pussies. Squats+Oats are all you need.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ye

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every commercial gym has that dyel who endlessly programs power lifts in the <5 rep range who claims he's "power building" for aesthetics but never looks any better despite adding weight to the bar. You just have to shake your head and laugh.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's like automatic vs manual transmissions. Sure, automatics are 'better' now but you're still a raging homosexual who chooses the easier route, not much different than the c**ts drinking onions instead of eating real food. Hope that helps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      free weight have actual benefits, unlike manual transmissions, which are only useful for people who must needlesly wave a phalic object when they drive

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Found the little sissy who is unable to learn how to have full control over his car.
        How does it feel like having to pay $5000 every other year to replace your little princess automatic troonymission?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm European, where eveyone has to learn manual, you moronic amerimutt, because only some of them are stupid enough to jerk off over a useless transmission just because the majority of people there don't bother to learn them, to be a contrarian and treat something so basic as some kind of achievement, to the point you probably dilate with the shifter knob. I drove manual for years and once I switched I never looked back. just because you managed to learn to use an outdated transition, just barely, because you were too poor to buy automatic, doesn't mean it has any advantages. having to manually disengage the drive like a moron has nothing to do with the actual control.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where did this machine hate even come from anyway
    Powerlifters pushing their sport on people who care about general strength and aesthetics. And old bad equipment, modern stuff is generally better.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What you on about? I barely see anyone at my gym doing free weights besides curls lmao and the occasional bench bro.

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