>makes your chest and tris huge
>makes your pecs and shoulders flexible for free
>makes your shoulders bulletproof
>filters dyels and fatties
>makes your chest and tris huge. >makes your pecs and shoulders flexible for free
>makes your chest and tris huge
>filters dyels and fatties
but calisthenicsfags are all dyel gymcels with no core and no legs
>he doesn’t incorporate weighted calisthenics into his weigh lifting routine
Weighted calisthenics + weightlifting is as good as it gets.
99% of califags here can't even hold a front lever, so this whole discussion goes out the window.
>99% of califags here can't even hold a front lever, so this whole discussion goes out the window.
Front lever is mostly lats, core strength isn't as important as people think. And it's a skill movement anyway, if you don't practice it of course you're not going to be able to do it (unless you're just really fucking strong lol)
Yeah thanks for agreeing with me.
99% of califags on this board can't do it.
Can't even do a dragon flag either.
is he right?
and 90% of IST never hits 2pl8
>and 90% of IST never hits 2pl8
100% true, all I'm saying is that almost all of you morons are dyel by nature and just talk too much instead of fuckin lifting.
>99% of califags here can't even hold a front lever
but they're better at it than gymcels?
Can't be better if neither of them can hold one.
No truer words were said. Weighted Calisthenics are like Hercules' bigger cousin
Bro holding a hollow body takes a lot of core strength. Look at gymnastics bodies and tell me if they look dycel
Notice how nobody is arguing about the dyel and no legs part.
Calisthenicsfags are eternal dyels.
>but calisthenicsfags are all dyel gymcels with no core and no legs
Do calisthenics for the upper body then add in some squats, Deadlifts and RDLs for the lower.
I won't fall for blue man's lies anymore. Red man is the one who does the REAL lifts.
Yeah, when it shows the muscles in blue it means negative(-) work done meaning you do those exercises to reduce the amount of muscle there (in case it got too big). Red means positive (+) work done because blue is lower than red.
This is how you get debilitating tendinitis. Avoid if you aren’t jacked already.
>This is how you get debilitating tendinitis.
wrong, ring dips are very easy on the tendons
>Avoid if you aren’t jacked already.
you literally can't do it if you aren't somewhat jacked lol
my gym took down the fucking rings lads, no more joocy chest pump
Love me the rings. It's easy filter for women, fats and unfit lads. Whenever you see someone doing anything on rings, that's worthy of respect because even balancing yourself in a dips starting position requires some form of base strength, fitness level and leanness. You can't be an untrained fat and balance in the dips position, WHILE you can be an untainted fat and still bang some bench press reps or even squats.
I did them once and did some loopdiloops, no shame
I'm getting the urge to dip now.
>grows big suckable droopers
I’m trying to get into ring training.
I’ll start off with barbell bench and then go into accessories like cable flys and cable pullovers and then hit ring push-ups and flys.
Since I hang the ring straps and cables from the pull-up bar on top of my half rack I’ll superset some ring push-ups with cable flys and I’ll get a pretty damn good chest pump from that.
The other day I think I went a little too deep and my shoulders have some DOMS since I don’t get full mobility out of them from just barbell benching, which I do a lot of.
>I do weighted pull ups with 12 kilo to failure around 7x6 set
>I do a shit ton of dips.
>bought a ring
>after first time of use have the worst shoulder pain in my life the following days
>can't sleep and move my arm for a week
>3 weeks passed
>can't raise my arm in a certain way it's locked in
My shoulder was a bit shit before but I always push to failure everything and nothing like this ever happened. Just a warning.
You need to go slow on rings. Just hold the hollow body position for long as you can and look up shoulder mobility excercises
this thread everyday and none of the calisthenics gays are over 5'10" or have even 15 inch biceps
I'll give you the height but don't califags typically have big biceps?
I do ring dips with +40 lbs, 1rm of +95
I'm 6'7" and 230.
Bulgarian ring dips are superior by far. The absolutely blew up my shoulder mobility and delt size. Plus you'll get mired because ni one wise in the gym messes with rings
I have to get around to doing these one day once I get strong enough on normal ring dips, these seem really based
Start doing them now. Unless you are really fat you don't need a base strenght. Well maybe a few pullups. Just do a hollow body hold to get used to using the rings then try dips.
Don't go really deep at first unless you stretch A LOT and practice. Rings work your tendons in your arms differently than dumbells so GO SLOW. Good luck bro
I mean I'm already doing deep slow eccentric ring dips for 9 reps, just from what I've heard bulgarian ring dips are significantly harder. Or are they easy enough that I can go straight to them? Mobility won't be an issue since I have ridiculously flexible pecs from deep ring pushups and dips, on ring dips I go down until my elbows are literally above my head.
Oh damn that's good then. You should be able to do bulgarian dips easily then.
When you do your dips do you turn your palms out when you're at the top?
I'm not strong enough to do RTO at the top, but in the future when I have enough strength I'll probably start doing that (will probably have to drop a bunch of weight and/or reps but oh well lol). My only issue is that I have no more horizontal pressing slots, so where would bulgarian ring dips go? Do I just replace ring dips with them or do I alternate between them each week?
I don't even do normal ring dips any more. Bulgarians are much more taxing especially if you add weight. If you can already do dips with your elbows that deep I'd add weights on a weight belt.
Are you surevyou don't have the strength to? Have you tried just a static hollow body hold with RTO?
>If you can already do dips with your elbows that deep I'd add weights on a weight belt.
I'm planning on adding weight once I get up to 10 reps (probably in 1-3 weeks lol)
>Are you surevyou don't have the strength to? Have you tried just a static hollow body hold with RTO?
I can only do it for a few seconds, so maybe I could do it on the first rep or two but no more than that. Also forgot to mention but I actually have the rings a lot lower than most people (just bc I can't be bothered to constantly change the straps lol), so I have to bend my legs to get full ROM. I haven't considered this to be an issue for ring dips because it makes you lean forward more which recruits more chest, but idk if that's what you want on bulgarian ring dips. Does that cause any issues for bulgarian ring dips or is that alright?
I'm about 5.10 and I have to have my legs a tiny bit forwards as well in order to go all the way down. I'd say that does make it a bit harder. I've been doing them for a while so that I don't really notice it. But it is annoying because now I'm learning an iron cross but I can only go about 80% of the way down before feet touch the ground.
One thing that may help you with rto is ring pushups. When you come up turn the rings out and hold it for a second and squeeze. If you've never done those before your arms will feel like jelly and fatigue verrrry quickly.
>I'm about 5.10 and I have to have my legs a tiny bit forwards as well in order to go all the way down. I'd say that does make it a bit harder.
Makes sense since you're making it even more pec dominant
>One thing that may help you with rto is ring pushups. When you come up turn the rings out and hold it for a second and squeeze. If you've never done those before your arms will feel like jelly and fatigue verrrry quickly.
I'm already doing these, I'm actually weaker on ring pushups (can only do 6-7 reps) than ring dips bc I do them off of a decline and I go as deep as possible, and at the bottom I actually extend my arms a little to put even more tension on the pecs (kind of like a chest fly tbh), then after pausing briefly I pull them back in and press back up. Because they're disproportionately hard at the bottom I can go into the RTO position on most reps, typically I can do RTO on all reps except the last 1-2.
Damn bro that's pretty hardcore. A while ago I tried something like that but it felt funny on my shoulders. Maybe I'll try it again soon.
You already sound really strong. Have you tried pelican pushups? I love those for biceps and the chest
>Have you tried pelican pushups? I love those for biceps and the chest
Damn aren't those insanely hard? Haven't tried those personally, I mostly do incline curls and spider curls for biceps
I wouldn't say insanely hard unless you're close to the floor when your arms are fully extended. And it also depends on how you have your wrist. Its hard to explain it on here but if you have your wrist straight instead of curled then the intensity grows exponentially despite being an inch or so lower. If you've never done pelican pushup you must try them. Going low is hard as shit but your forearms and wrist strength will grow.
I do one handed false grip ring rows as well. Completely replaced my need for using dumbells for curls. I looked up spider curls. They look good and pretty safe so I'll try those next time I gym
They look tiny tho
In proportion to how they used to be. Post your body and lifts
>pay for a gym membership to use 50 dollars of equipment
What's the point?
Are the rings necessary? Can I not just do regular dips?
Regular dips are fine but they don't provide many of the benefits that ring dips too, plus they're generally more taxing due to no freedom of movement and because you need to add more weight due to the exercise being easier.
>they don't provide many of the benefits that ring dips too
Which are what?
>they're generally more taxing due to no freedom of movement
How are they more taxing if they're easier?
>you need to add more weight
I could never do more than 12 at once so I didn't bother with this when I did them.
>Which are what?
The rings accomodate for your build, which reduces shoulder/clavicle/sternum stress (Very big factor as some people literally can't do parallel bar dips due to their build, but they can still do ring dips). Due to this reason you can also go much deeper safely, which is generally better for hypertrophy due to weighted stretch. Of course since you need to actively stabilize the rings it's a very good exercise to indirectly strengthen your rotator cuff, which will reduce injury risk on other movements. And of course if you're strong enough you can go into the RTO position at the top, which shortens the pecs even more, something you can't do on regular dips.
>How are they more taxing if they're easier?
Greater absolute load is an independent fatigue factor, and greater absolute loads are necessary on regular dips due to the exercise being easier
>I could never do more than 12 at once so I didn't bother with this when I did them.
Then fatigue probably won't be an issue for you
I only partially understand this post but you've convinced me.
Basically he's saying that rings are not static at all so they move with your bodies form. Imagine doing a bench press on a Smith machine vs dumbells. A Smith machine you cannot move the weights to be more comfortable with your arm movements but with dumbells you can adjust the movement however you want
Makes sense. I didn't think that applied to dips since there is some freedom of movement, but not as much with rings.
Nah it’s more like regular bench press vs dumbbell press. You’re not forced into a position with regular dips like in a smith machine.
Rings are shit for strength and hypertrophy, they should only be used as an accessory, not a main device for lifts, unless your main lift is going to be weighted muscle ups.
>buh buh buh muh stabilizers
Nobody competing in streetlifting/streetworkout focuses on them.
>Rings are shit for strength
If you're training for strength on other lifts, no shit, strength is specific
Completely incorrect lmao, they're amazing for hypertrophy for all the reasons I listed earlier in this thread. In fact I've seen many natty bodybuilders picking them up because of how good they are for hypertrophy
>Nobody competing in streetlifting/streetworkout focuses on them.
Because their competition lifts don't fucking involve rings, no shit? That's like saying that the olympic lifts are useless because powerlifters don't use them - no shit, powerlifters don't compete in the snatch and c&j so they don't train them
They can't do it because of a lack of lat strength, not a lack of core strength. A full FL needs anywhere from 50 to 90% bw pullup (depends on the person and how much they're training it, you can get away with no specific training at all if you have a ridiculous pullup like 90-110% bw).
>Can't even do a dragon flag either.
I've seen people talking about doing dragon flags on here so I doubt this, and again specificity, if you're not doing them you won't be very good at them, no shit.
>Notice how nobody is arguing about the dyel and no legs part.
Because calisthenics purists do have small legs, since leg mass detracts from their upper body movements which are their comp movements. As for dyel it depends but due to how lean they are a lot of them do look dyel in clothes. As for myself I use calisthenics purely for hypertrophy so I don't suffer from either of these issues lol
>says a bunch of dyel nonsense
>doesn't post body
You're the one making the claim that rings are shit for hypertrophy when everyone else disagrees, you should be the one posting body.
Interesting, although they do sound really good I'm not sure if I'll be able to fit them in bc I cba to set up the rings on a different day just to hit biceps. I've unfortunately had to forgo some good lifts just because they're not practical to set up and/or don't mesh well with the rest of my training particularly well. I'll think about it though
>hold up bro just let me set up 160kg on this barbell so I can show you my sick lmao3.5pl8 deadlift
See? I can make a strawman just as easily as you can
>rings are super duper good for gains and hypertrophy and all that mumbo jumbo!
>w-what do you mean p-post body?
>b-b-but you don't agree s-s-so you go first
Should've just said that you're a dyel fag.
>See? I can make a strawman just as easily as you can
You can't because a califag will always look dyel.
>Because their competition lifts don't fucking involve rings
It's because nobody wants to see your yee yee ass +20kg """1RM""" """PR""" on ring dips just because you think trembling on two fucking hoops is somehow contributing to bigger gains and athleticism than some fuckhuge russian gorilla that is doing over 100kg for reps on normal dips every other day.
>makes up retarded scenario in his head that doesn't even make sense (literally who on earth does 1RMs on rings lol)
>As for myself I use calisthenics purely for hypertrophy so I don't suffer from either of these issues lol
Post yourself doing an iron cross or weighted bulgarian dips if rings are so easy
>weighted bulgarian dips
Done them in the past.
Yeah man I'll just do a movement done almost exclusively by roided manlets, only after you do a 450kg deadlift.
I don't roid. Hell I don't even use creatine. I don't care about big deadlifts. Tons of people can deadlift. How many people have you seen do an iron cross who aren't 5.4?
>Tons of people can deadlift
Tons of people can spread their arms out to the side
>hold up bro just let me set up those rings so I can show you my sick iron cross
Califags are mentally ill
I do them in my gym. You wo6ldnt believe the mires I get
It's probably all in your head. I do them weighted too and nobody glaces twice at me.
How many times you gonna post this shit picture of yourself brah
Until u get IST famous
>body weight + 10kg
Ring dips are nice as a superset. I never understood the point of ring pull ups tho. Just seem too easy.
Can you do L sit ring pullups? Or false grip pullups?
What about weighted ring pullups or archer ring pullups?
i guess, but I rather just do them on a regular pull up bar than in rings. I haven’t done archers before because I don’t do pull up skill movements.
Took a break from lifting still healing my ankles and knees. But my chest like sternum hurts when doing just normal dips now what stretches or something should I do
I'd start with ring pushups. Don't be afraid ro go deep and feel the stretch in your shoulders and upper back. Then when that's good do more ring pushups but when you come up turn the rings out so your palms are facing the same direction your head is in and hold that for a second.
You'll feel it in your biceps and chest very well
I practiced those and 1 foot dips it's just like up right dips is when I feel it I can't think of any easier exercise I could mimic maybe I could use a band around my legs on a pull up bar when I dip
Personally I don't like bands or other assisting equipment. I would practice just doing a hold on the rings and keeping good form. Just hold it long as you can for several sets.
I'll try that for now on it does kinda hurt just holding it but I can manage. I wonder what happened to my sternum maybe just not being as active
Well how does it hurt? Very sharp pain is always a bad sign. If that's the case then I'd stop right away and figure out what the issue is.
Another easier variation is to jump into the hollow body position hold for a second lower your self back down so you're on your feet then jump again hold.. and repeat
Maybe try doing the holds in a pushup position instead, there's less load and it still carries over to ring dips. Eventually you should progress to doing it in the dip position though as it has the greatest carryover to ring dips
>no physiques posted
Awee da big power shitter is gonna cry? I love my light skin and hazel eyes. So do women...including white ones. So cry scream and bitch all you want but I ain't going anywhere
Nice try, shitskin.
Post body and lifts
>Doesn't post body.
>doesnt post body
moron you already lost
You live on Oahu.
sorry anon I am not doing legs today.
>infinitely inferior to dips on parallel bars
Nothing personel kid
Parallel bar dips are okay but they lack many of the benefits that ring dips provide
Meanwhile all strongest dippers only do weighted dips on parallel bars
because weighted dips are their comp movement, no shit. that's like saying db bench is shit bc powerlifters don't do it very often and instead opt to do bench and bench variations.
no thanks I'll just do diamond pushups
that's more of a tricep movement, not really comparable
Fatty strongman here (265lbs). Got an ACL replacement 3 weeks ago and started with ring training at home and i fucking love that shit. Im able to do 10 paused dips by now and 10 chin ups. Still shaking a little bit, but im working on it. Only thing im missing is some overhead shoulder work and traps.
>Only thing im missing is some overhead shoulder work and traps.
Maybe try ring pike pushups and ring facepulls? It won't be perfect but it'll do the job well enough
Only if you're egolifting, I think that ring dips are very beneficial for the shoulders in the long term as long as you're not a retard doing way more weight than you can handle. Just control each rep as well as you can and you won't have any problems.
You can do weighted ring dips just like regular dips, there's nothing about them that makes it impossible to add weight
Please can someone define “bulletproof”
>bulletproof your back
>bulletproof your core
>bulletproof your performance
I can guarantee none of these things are actually bulletproof. It seems such a silly catch phrase that caught on with the self help book type circle, can’t a real word that exists just be used like damage resistance, resilience, robustness, toughness, injury prevention…. I don’t know why the expression “bulletproof” bothers me so much, maybe just some autism. Anyway I would assume the closest a human gets to being bulletproof is completely skelly-maxxed to minimise target, or a complete land whale in the hopes that a few feet of adipose tissue will reduce a bullet velocity enough to spare damage further in.
To answer your question though OP, whatever it was… yes, but also heavier weighted bar dips and overhead press
bulletproof means a bullet cant harm/break it
So in the context it’s used in OP’s statement, doing ring dips will cause shoulders to become resistant to harm/breaking from a bullet?
well thats what he said
Even bulletproof armor isn't bulletproof.
Like a dude with a vest isn't going to stand up to a 40 cal.
>I don’t know why the expression “bulletproof” bothers me so much, maybe just some autism.
Understandable, I have the same issue with some other words. To me (in the context of lifting anyway) it just means that it will heavily reduce the chances of injury in that joint/tendon/ligament/muscle or whatever. And instead of having to say something like this
>this movement protects your shoulders by training it through a deep stretch which will cause the tendons and ligaments to adapt and become stronger while also indirectly strengthening your rotator cuffs due to active stabilization of the rings
I can just say
>this movement will bulletproof your shoulders
Sure it isn't as specific but people understand what it means
Are the rings that much different from just two bars at your side?
doing dips on the rings is way more fun but i feel like it's easier to fuck up your shoulders. is that true? never really fucked them up myself - just feels like that's the case.
Just like any excercise if done incorrectly you'll hurt yourself
Ok you guys convinced me to start doing it but I like to do weighted dips and I guess that it's not posibble to do weighted dips with rings so is doing them without progressive overload is enough ?
>I guess that it's not posibble to do weighted dips with rings so is doing them without progressive overload is enough ?
Where did you get that from? the regular crappy amazon belts can carry like 400 lbs but I wouldn't risk going that heavy. Still I don't think you're going to go past 350lb.
Otherwise you can just get proper freight cargo belts that can hold 3-4-5 tons on high quality wooden rings.
>the regular crappy amazon belts can carry like 400 lbs but I wouldn't risk going that heavy.
I don't think anyone is getting anywhere near 400lb ring dips for reps lol, that would be outlandishly strong
Yeah, it was hyperbole.
However 400 means total weight. So if you're already 210lb, and add let's say 60lb, that's pretty heavy for chinese made belts and buckles.
I wouldn't feel super confident.
>However 400 means total weight.
Yeah I understood that, just a 400lb 1RM dip is already extremely impressive, so 400lb ring dip is starting to get ridiculous (+ I think maxing out on ring dips is pretty dumb anyway so if we're talking reps well we're starting to get into literally no one can do this shit territory)
I can do dips with a plate tied to me for 10, I could barely do 5 of these with just body weight. Op is not a fag.
I can do 10 of those.
They're amazing and feel really good to master and do full controlled reps.
Buying wings was the best decision I've made in terms of lifting.
Also bought two 2kg or ~4.5lbs maces for shoulder mobility and strength training.
Training with them is kind of scary, if you drop them mid swing they may just fucking destroy whatever they hit or literally kill someone.
>mfw can literally feel my chest fibers tear up as I am doing deep ring bulgarian dips
It's like I'm orgasming
>grinds your shoulders into dust
nothing personnel kid
>actually makes your shoulders impossible to injure
nothing personal kid
>he actually believes this
enjoy your lifelong shoulder pain lmao
>tfw I full ROM behind the neck press to failure with no pain
>tfw I do deep ring dips to failure with no pain
>tfw I do deep ring pushups to failure with no pain
>tfw shoulders are strong as fuck and mobile as fuck
Jointlets GTFO, the real men are in town
give it a few years and watch how you come back crying like a bitch.
>y-you'll get injured! just you wait!
Cope. I train my infraspinatus/teres minor, lower traps, rear delts, etc while also doing dead hangs and shoulder mobility work. Because of this, my shoulders are nigh-unbreakable. I will get gains and you will go to snap city.
Also you haven't explained how the hell ring dips would destroy your shoulders in the first place, despite the fact that they make them much more resistant to injury by indirectly strengthening your rotator cuff while also strengthening the tendons and ligaments by taking the shoulder joint into a deep stretch.
seethe. enjoy the shoulder pain, you've been warned.
Continue coping. My shoulders are more bulletproof than ever, in fact the only time I ended up with shoulder pain was from flat bench press, meanwhile behind the neck press and deep ring dips/pushups give me no pain whatsoever. Seethe more
you already got btfo, I don't know why the fuck you're still replying to me besides some autistic urge to get the last word. move on little buddy.
>you already got btfo
Yeah, in your mind. You haven't presented a single valid reason as to how ring dips would damage my shoulders at all, you just keep saying
>y-you're gonna get injured!
which doesn't mean anything.
>I don't know why the fuck you're still replying to me besides some autistic urge to get the last word.
Because it's funny to see jointlets like you coping and sneeding when they see people who have healthy joints from not ego lifting.
Why don't you two retarded gay nerds just kiss already?
Who has rings?