I'm 24 and just got my T levels measured as 327ng/dL. My doctor says it's in the healthy range and refuses to prescribe me TRT. If doctors will so easily give trans people hormones why is it so hard for a normal person to be prescribed hormones when all I want is to have a low enough dose to put me in the 600ng/dL+ ranges?
isnt it free testosterone that matters?
Go outside and stop watching youtube videos. The entire reason why they tell you to see a doctor is because no doctor is going to actuall subscribe it to you, especially now that it's become fashionable. That way your "only option" is to buy the sups from the idiots you're watching.
But ugl. Run your own labs and do your own research. Would actually be way safer than being prescribed by a GP that’ll shoot your ass up with 200mg bi-weekly. If you HAVE to have a doctor, find an online TRT clinic. You’ll get it even if it’s just under 800ng
The range regular doctors use is 200-800. Basically a 70yo geriatric to a college student. Fuck em.
> Would actually be way safer than being prescribed by a GP that’ll shoot your ass up with 200mg bi-weekly
Sometimes even lower. They considered this a great treatment because it showed the best results in a study that compared times that people got the shot. However they didn't test twice a week in that same study so you still get the crash doing that bi weekly.
I think 350-500 would be more accurate for 70 yo's in the morning because the ones who do get the testosterone test done have severe issues related to test (e.g. complete erectile dysfunction).
>The range regular doctors use is 200-800. Basically a 70yo geriatric to a college student. Fuck em
This, I had my bloodwork done years ago and mine was ~320 which they said was within normal bounds. No it's fucking not for a 24 yo.
Fixed it with the usual: eat well, get sleep, go outside, vitty D, lift weights, remove stress. Dunno what my T is now but it's deffo way higher than 320.
There are plenty of things you can do to naturally increase testosterone.
1) Lift weights
2) Sleep well
3) Eat well
If you're doing 1-3, there's really not much else you need to concern yourself with.
You can look after your balls. Make sure your underwear isn't tight and that your balls have room to move about.
OP do this shit first
No drinking, get good rest, no pot or adderall, lift weights, clean up diet. You can probably bump it up to high levels.
Anon, I have a disorder that has permanently neutered my balls for life. I sleep well, I'm sober, and I lift three times a week, but I will always be doomed to unnaturally unproductive testes. The only thing that can rectify this is the use of exogenous testosterone, and dosing myself allows me to access that both more cheaply and adjust my regimen more accurately. At some point, gear is the answer.
Secondary hypogonadism due to a head injury I suffered when I was twenty.
>hypogonadism from head injury
wew man how'd that happen?
You still have swimmers?
>go out drinking
>having a good time in a bar with the boys
>wake up in a hospital
>"good morning anon, last night you were in a car crash..."
I wasn't driving. I was in an Uber and we got T-boned, bounced my noggin off the window and evidently tweaked my pituitary juuuust right. No swimmers right now, but HCG should start everything back up. In theory.
further proof that drinking kills your gains
Spend more time outside as well.
Is that you greene?
You're probably fine. Testosterone changes wildly literally all the time even from our to hour
doctors work for garden gnomes. garden gnomes want you to be a pussy
that number flucuates a lot. Do you feel tired? Do you have tits? having trouble with muscle? Are you lifting heavy and eating well? You probably don't need it at your age.
Are you having problems that are associated with low T? Find a new doctor.
Your doctor has morals and principles, seems to genuinely care for your health. What is the problem here?
You dumb gay
His doctor is a drone who is there to read charts and sees no problem with a 24 year old having the testosterone of a70 year old. He probably would tell OP to get on statins if the charts said his cholesterol was high. Probably a dirt world immigrant
There is nothing you can do but try and become your best self
Don't get chud drugs, fucking fix yourself
STOP WANTING IT TO BE EASY
HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO BECOME ENLIGHTENED WITHOUT HAVING TO DESTROY THE WEAKNESS THAT IS YOURSELF
GO LIFT RIGHT NOW
T is just a number that goes up and down and if you don't have actual low T symptoms don't do it and try everything else before hopping on. The consequences are most likely pinning for life, bloated watery face, hairloss and acne with potential sexual disfunction if you don't take other stuff with it for the rest of your life, unless you are in the 1 in a 1000 that will have none of these sides from it.
That's a sad picture and I feel like this. At least I have 1100 ng/dL T level.
OP, read Ray Peat articles. Basically avoid PUFAs, don't avoid sugar, eat saturated fats, take up to 50k vitamin D, K2, magnesium, vitamins A and E (they act like anti estrogens). Do it for several months.
because you are a retard if you think pills will fix you.
its a bandaid at best. somethings fucked with your body and you need to fix it first.
if everything else fails you can resort to pills, but not before. it wouldn't make you a man, it would make you a MtM chud.
just listen to yourself. your low T is making you feminine. the manly thing to do is to ignore your fucking female hormones and act like a man would.
sorry bro, but I can't fix you being a chud
you were offered a chance, but you walk the path of the chud
the end of your path leads only to ANNIHILATION
Satan will lose
>wants TRT at 24
moron what in the fuck are you doing ?
You want to be on expensive medication for life ?
TRT = no kids, you should at least have children before going on it. It is for older people.
Why would you want it on 24 ? You would be worse than roidtrannies.
Imagine having so little confidence in your own body
He kind of embodies the youngster mindset.
>I want it all
>I want it now
How many generations have smashed their head into this concrete wall ?
Imagine injecting false beliefs into others like advice is universal.
yeah, who would come to an anonymous internet image focused forum to talk about how they want their body to look and how to possibly work on that
oh wait shit that's everyone here
I think tryactin and growacet are still available over the counter.
>my T levels measured as 327ng/dL
That's fine. It's in the normal healthy range. Free testosterone is more important anyway, as only free testosterone can have biological activity. Also, your androgen receptors and genes are even more important than how much testosterone you have. Testosterone can't exert it's effects in your body until it binds to the androgen receptor and triggers genes. Everyone has different androgen receptor sensitivity, density and different genes. You can't compare your testosterone levels with other people for this reason.
>My doctor says it's in the healthy range and refuses to prescribe me TRT
It is in the healthy range, but he should have checked your free testosterone.
>If doctors will so easily give trans people hormones why is it so hard for a normal person to be prescribed hormones
Because women who want to be men have only about 30 ng/dl testosterone which is not enough to become a man (this is real hypogonadism, not the borderline pseudo hypogonadism that you think you have). Whereas your testosterone levels are over 10 times higher at least and are high enough to convert your body and brain into an adult male.
And it's not easy for them to get testosterone, they have to see psychologists for months and months before being allowed.
>when all I want is to have a low enough dose to put me in the 600ng/dL+ ranges?
Your testosterone might naturally go up to 600 ng/dl but you got your blood test at a time where your testosterone was naturally dipping. Testosterone is constantly fluctuating.
And if you think having 600+ testosterone is going to magically turn you into a chad mentally, you will be disappointed as most TRT mental effects are placebo.
Basically you need to get multiple blood tests with free testosterone/SHBG readings to confirm. Or go to a different doctor that prescribes testosterone easier if you want testosterone so bad. Or just buy it from an UGL. Take power into your own hands.
Ask for anastrazole or clomiphene. The reason your doc isn't give you test is because taking it exogenously will negatively affect your endogenous test production, which isn't a problem for chuds.
My friend is a GP. Said he wouldn't prescribe under 200 because test has more side effects / problems than it is worth in concrete benefits to your life.
>even tho I've got the test levels of a 70 year old man.
Shouldn’t you be writing a new article for Buzz Feed then?
>can't answer if he feels like he's low T
>no indication if he's eating right and lifting heavy
>NUMBER SAY BAD
you're gonna fit right in with the roidchuds, sage in all fields
>surely injecting my ass with a needle twice a week will fix the problems caused by my shitty diet, inadequate sleep, stressful lifestyle, non existent sex life and lack of career and surely there will be no side effects
bro you are a loser
If you just start taking risks, thinking big, lifting heavy, eating good, chilling out, sleeping lots, and feeling great, your test will go up. Masculine behavior/dominance, even more than lifting, drives testosterone levels. Do you think you're really one of the very small group of people with a genetic hormone dysfunction, like type one diabetes? No, you're type two. The analogous androgen condition to this is that you're being a weak lil cunt, and feeling inadequate/not in control/in need of trt is simply a result of that bitch ass way you're living.
Why don’t you just fucking take drugs then
Don’t do anything to improve your test naturally
Die before you’re 50 and go bald by 22
Bro a lot of trans people get their hormones on clear net websites that ship that shit from India Russia or Hong Kong. I can't post sources here but there are plenty of faggy subreddits that will happily link you to sites to help your transition (from a male to an alpha male).
Do you have any actual symptoms of low T? You may just have low SHBG and high testosterone sensitivity, if so your doctor is doing you a favor by not prescribing you a medication you don't need.
Very amerilard thinking: give me a pill to fix an imagined problem on a test sheet before I even attempt any lifestyle changes.
I'm curious, if you got like 300 and said to the doctor who wouldn't prescribe you T that you'll just do steroids instead would he then prescribe T so you don't harm yourself with roids?
your choices are one of those """online clinics""" where you pay dr. shekelberg $100-200/month to do what you want, or break the law and order chinese bath tub chemicals.
The difference here is the first one is actually achievable and in fact could be max natty potential if you had good genetics, whereas the 2nd one no man will ever look like that no matter how many drugs or surgeries they go through
How does this random guy who doesn’t take hrt mog 99% of trannies
I assume most trannies are ugly and is the main reason they want to transition thinking they will be hot
He is definitely not very good looking as a male. Like I said earlier its how he dresses, most trannies have no fashion sense at all and dress like giant preschoolers, old grandmas, or just will literally wear cosplay every day.
This is also true hes only 22. Twinks dont last forever.
What does an old twink look like?
Good skin genetics + twink physique + actually knows how to dress and do makeup (or maybe his girlfriend does it for him which also makes sense). I dont think his frame genetics actually have anything to do with it because he honestly had a pretty rectangular frame but still pulls it off.
Its funny because he has way more women lusting over him now that he crossdresses than before, since he just looked like a generic nerd. While I'm not saying every twink should crossdress I think it goes to show finding a style is really important - if youre some autistic roider who goes outside in baggie jeans and a hoodie every day youre not doing yourself any favors.
I bet he's still young and just has the genetics to look androgynous. With a bit of effort he may be able to pass; at least when it comes to photos.
once he ages a bit he'll really start to look disgusting
>once he ages a bit he'll really start to look disgusting
So just like a woman then?
order tongkat ali and fadogia agrestis from amazon. your T will increase probably 200 points, usually people report significantly higher, even up to 1200 in some cases. You don't need artificial hormones, you need to:
1) be a winner
2) get sleep
3) drink RO water, eat clean
4) get sunlight
5) take ice baths, more than 11 min/week up to the neck
6) kick the porn habit (I'm working on this one right now)
7) lift heavy, lift hard
8) train martial arts or some sort of combative
9) talk to girls that you find attractive, in person
10) regularly go outside of your comfort zone and succeed.
trt is the last resort because it shuts off your natural production and makes you infertile. Address all of the issues with your lifestyle which might be causing the deficiency before you start resorting to trt.
Be skinny with muscle.
There's a chart that shows what they want and it's basically a vascular twink or muscular body with less vascularity
just stop being a goyslopper and start lifting regularly,you are no better than trannies
noone asked but bottom pic source okaspen on ig