I'm on mobile, but from listening to the Nutrition guys arguing on Rogan (open debate between omnivore and vegan btw), they both seem to agree that there'a a process where meat rots in your intestine if there isn't enough fiber on your diet to flush it out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>source? >some guys on LE BASED ROGAN!!!!!
dont breed ever please
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>im on mobile
stopped reading. end your life
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The rest of the post was about what you would expect FYI
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Both are retarded.
What is their argument even? That you shit less, so the meat must be putrefying inside of you?
You shit less on a high-meat diet because meat is close to 100% digestible. It doesn't persist through your entire digestive tract due to being inedible like fiber or corn does.
I cannot fathom that people eat roughage and are convinced that its necessary. You are not a cow. Stop eating like one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Protein fermentation in colon is considered detrimental and is linked to rectal cancers.
i wonder if chadwick boseman was on carnivore diet before he got bummed
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You know what else is linked to cancer? Not killing yourself right now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i am not a mirror for you to project your own insecurities onto. those stay in your own head fren.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do it mate, you'll never get cancer that way
You just proved his point.
What point? That he should kys?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
even the way you construct sentences is full of insecurity, carnivore diet isn't gonna save someone like you
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You just proved his point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sauce? >People on the JRE show!
Holy fuck you are absolutely retarded.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, I do look at experts for advice on topics I know nothing about.
You can find the studies confirming the evidence if you like, I won't do that for you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>source? >some guys on LE BASED ROGAN!!!!!
dont breed ever please
Source?
Both are retarded.
What is their argument even? That you shit less, so the meat must be putrefying inside of you?
You shit less on a high-meat diet because meat is close to 100% digestible. It doesn't persist through your entire digestive tract due to being inedible like fiber or corn does.
I cannot fathom that people eat roughage and are convinced that its necessary. You are not a cow. Stop eating like one.
Here you go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6333923/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This study says nothing about meat rotting in your gut, it is about fermented food might be toxic in high amounts.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I knew you were gonna go with that, but now that we have established that cadaverine and putrescine are indeed toxic and harmful to us, here you go: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2297664/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>1990 Feb 15;65(4):958-66. >C Löser 1
I am not reading pseudoscience from the Middle Ages written by some loser.
It is completely irrelevant to the topic of meat rotting in your gut, you still haven't provided source.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not my problem, I accept your defeat.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not reading because it contradicts my beliefs.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Löser literally means "Solver" in German, brainlet. The layers of ironic stupidity in your post are hilarious, ngl.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>1990 >Middle ages
Zoom Zoom
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I am not reading pseudoscience from the Middle Ages written by some loser.
you can literally spot brainlets by the believe that observations about nature somehow have a expiry date
you're a fucking retard who knows nothing about digestion clearly since you brainlessly parrot a total myth. if you've ever seen an actual experiment with acid you would know that plants dont get digested for the most part by the stomach while meat begins to dissolve in mere minutes and that is without taking into account digestive enzymes, body heat, bacteria, etc. the experiment was also done on raw and cooked meat and of course the raw meat digested the fastest and the most completely (bone and all) due to the enzymes present in the food itself accelerating the process
>eating only meat all it does is reducing inflammation
The fuck it does, it's the main driver of systemic inflammation. That lie is so baffling because I've seen it repeated so often yet all the evidence points to exact opposite. Here's one >Meat eating link to inflammation, worse gut health and MS >The strongest systemic linkage was found with eating meat
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2022/01/28/meat-eating-linked-to-inflammation-worse-gut-health-and-ms.html
>Correlation does not equal causation. >Statistical adjustment is literally just fudging the numbers to suit your agenda. >Signal to noise ratio is always too high to make any scientific claims. >The only thing that matter is the absolute (not relative) risk reduction across 100 person-years of intervention.
Nutrition 'science' is bullshit. Meat is the least inflammatory food there is. Go fuck yourself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah yes the good old full science denial followed by a confident assertion to the opposite based on nothing. You people deserve to be shot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why so much hate?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because of the full science denialism that ketolards and carnitards practice, a civil discussion based on facts is futile with you people, so the only solution to end your deadly misinformation spreading is violence. It’s not hate, it’s a logical final solution when everything else has been attempted.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>eating only meat all it does is reducing inflammation
The fuck it does, it's the main driver of systemic inflammation. That lie is so baffling because I've seen it repeated so often yet all the evidence points to exact opposite. Here's one >Meat eating link to inflammation, worse gut health and MS >The strongest systemic linkage was found with eating meat
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2022/01/28/meat-eating-linked-to-inflammation-worse-gut-health-and-ms.html
>Correlation does not equal causation. >Statistical adjustment is literally just fudging the numbers to suit your agenda. >Signal to noise ratio is always too high to make any scientific claims. >The only thing that matter is the absolute (not relative) risk reduction across 100 person-years of intervention.
Nutrition 'science' is bullshit. Go fuck yourself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes that is what you keep on repeating because of total absence of proof that anything you say is true in the slightest. It doesn’t make it so.
In all fairness autoimmune diseases are extremely complex and multifaceted and we don't really know the genomics behind them. Why are you getting mad at a person who found a diet that helps them relieve their symptoms?
Yeah I'm sure your ancestors were eating their meat with fries, soda and south american potatoes. Moron. Meat is the single best thing you can eat and one of the few foods that can be eaten exclusively, if it's nose-to-tail.
Lol. Hunter-gatherers commonly lived to their 70s, with no clean water or sanittation. They were as tall as modern westerners (around 5'10) and had larger brain volumes than we do now.
Not the best argument, was it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most retarded post in the thread.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not the best argument, was it?
Your previous sentence? I'm glad we agree on something.
If any at all. Depending on the populations, meat was a very scarce and almost luxurious commodity. Old people in my village used to eat fish every 3 or 4 days and meat only on special occasions. I'm not joking when I'm saying that a lot of them died in their 90s.
jordan peterson is a mangina who has mental breakdowns if he eats peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. he should have never had children in the first place
You're a fucking fool who's going to die sad and alone when the real hard times come. Meanwhile the people with principles will survive and take back the earth just to create another period of decadence where you weak ass fools will ultimately evolve once again and are ALLOWED to live, deluded about how you've contributed anything at all to anyone but yourselves.
This has happened before in human history many times, and the only thing preventing it from happening again is the relatively recent possibility of a nuclear winter wiping out the entire species instead. TL;DR you're a huge gay who's worth less than a ball of shit covered toiletpaper, dingleberry.
>Nooo my rightoid father figure isn’t a rightoid because that triggers me
Why are you wannabe nazi cucks such fragile snowflakes?
Jordan Peterson is a gatekeeping gnomish Supremacist and I wish his last benzo binge had just killed him already so we could all stop listening to him cry. That being said, you will never be a woman and you should strongly consider killing yourself.
Jordan Peterson is redpilled and knows about group conflict, inter generational resentment, trauma, revenge and subversion but he is trying to solve the problem by creating peace between the garden gnomes, christians, muslims without a holocaust or war happening. He beliefs that they can sort their differences out and co-exist peacefully. Peterson is crying for you and your soul, and you should be happy that at least one person in this world is doing so.
Haha some incel is triggered someone made fun of his alt right grifter internet daddy lmao stay mad chudfags
say this 3 times
jordan peterson is my dadd
seethe normie nignog lovers.
I have more sex than you and am better looking. The only reason I come here is to watch you retarded zoomers self-destruct. You should really listen to some of the shit he has to say though, but you won't because you trust the government LMAO. You're all(mostly) sad fucks.
Or he wasn't preaching the same thing 30 years ago when he was 25 than he does today at 55. Everybody fucks their kids up to some extent and none of us live up to the ideal person we want to in our heads all the time.
the worst part about vegans is how god damn insecure they are honestly. dont get me wrong tackling a problem like that by starting with yourself is great
but holy shit they need to shut the fuck up about other people, they spend half their time talking shit about meat eaters and comparing themselves to them. you can tell they feel better than everyone else with the wording they use >carnists >omnis >flesh burners
like holy fuck get over yourself, go ahead and feel great about making a change for the better of all animals but stop putting down another group of people to feel better about yourself. If the price for better morals is deep insecurity than count me out
Cows are really stupid BTW. They have absolutely no awareness. It's why they make excellent livestock. It's why the average well trained quarterhorse can herd them easily with little to no effort wherever they want them to go. If you put a trained horse in a field alone with a cow, it will then herd the cow around for fun. The cow won't notice it was ever herded around in the first place when the horse is bored and goes to take a nap or eat some grass. The cow then goes on to eat grass as if nothing was happening. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what's going on in the slaughterhouse until the moment the bolt is in their brain. Then they're already dead. Cows literally exist for the purpose of being eaten by one of the plethora of a smarter animals, including humans.
>NOOOO you should ignore the pointless breeding, raping and torture of harmless animals, and look at this cherry picked mentally ill raw vegan and btw check this totally natural not cherry picked vegan cunt
>NOOOO you should ignore the pointless breeding, raping and torture of harmless animals, and look at this cherry picked mentally ill raw vegan.
We are what we are and humans are inherently evil. Humans are capable of doing incredibly cruel things to other beings that don't belong to their "tribe".
>pointless breeding, raping
In the case of bovines, breeding is done by bulls who are in a pack with cows while they're in a pasture. The animals in charge of the breeding and raping are bulls. >torture of harmless animals
The "evidence" of this torturing is staged by vegans when they're making one of their "documentaries" or is in China.
To be fair, this chick has some weird genetic sickness where she can only eatspecific vegan diet. She actually looked worse when she wasnt vegan, believe it or not.
Its the same with Peterson, he has this weird genetic thing where he can basically only properly digest meat. Anything else and he might as well be eating cardboard.
Does it mean vegan/carnivore diet is good? Not for the average person, but these two examples arent average.
Mihaila Peterson is an useless person, so she found a diet business that also panders to the right side of culture wars. It's a nice synergy. Give a useless woman some slack.
I wonder if anyone will sue her for spreading missinformation in the future. Also, nice to see that some biomarkers are conviniently not being displayed there.
Also: Imagine having to take vitamins to keep up.
LOL
LMAO even
>I wonder if anyone will sue her for spreading missinformation in the future
Possibly, along with the rest of the keto shills (yes le carnivore diet is just yeat another rebrand of the same ol' thing). They do put small print disclaimers in their publications that they are not real practicing doctors, it's not real medical advice, believe on your own discretion, please seek real doctor if you get sick etc for legal shielding but I don't think it will hold once the awareness grows big enough that their scam is hurting people. And if the legal system doesn't work, I hope Americans have enough of the frontier cowboy spirit left in them to do the necessary with ropes and trees.
It made me so fatigued I had to take 2 years off university to recover, then drop out. Didn't even realize it was the fucking diet until it was too late. I thought it was just stress from studies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your current diet isn't doing you any better, Nick
Meaningless. I haven't eaten animal products in 12 years and my bloods always come back perfect too. All it shows is that vitamin deficiency in the west is predominantly due to malabsorbtion not malnutrition.
And Jordan went on benzos and depression cruise. I've nothing against him, he's brilliant, but goddamn isn't he a total retard when it comes to food.
>A diet rich in fiber and vegetables can relieve depression
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324367
>inb4 linked, correlation, not listening lalalala
Its mechanism is also known, gut bacteria generate propionate out of fiber which in turn morph to serotonin. It's also why people prone to depression tend to be vegans (with clickbait articles implying vegan diet causes depression)
> "the voice of men"
The only people who I ever encounter in real life that mentioned his name is , so
Rome that I know who always asked me “why you hate him?” and some black guy that I made him cry while speaking too loud to him at some wageslave who didn’t shut his mouth and were like “He’s very , very , very smart man , very smart man anon.”.
Maybe he’s voice of America or something.
Every time I see that man's face I feel like digging a hole in the ground and sticking my head in it so I don't feel embarassed for him.
That's got to be one of the saddest people alive, ever, just look at his expression, guy's eternally depressed
You realize that women literally exist to dress up and show off their ass/titties/faces? But when a guy wants to look good in a picture by flexing a little he's suddenly the epitome of insecurity? Do you realize how fucking lamebrained you are anon? You really should just end yourself if they've got you this brainwashed already...and those were rhetorical questions BTW so you can keep your hand on your little chode. I won't even look at your response anyway HAHWHAHHAHAHA
People replace actual effort with shit like reading about what they want to do or buying shit that they need to achieve goals. Their brain has a similar reaction as actually accomplishing the goal and they become satisfied. Even talking about it causes satisfying feeling. It's a form of self sabotage and why these grifters never offer real solutions, they just shit out their mouth in the particular odor the niche wants to sniff
This image alone discredits Peterson's self help guru grift. His daughter fucked Andrew Tate. Clearly this man is not the person you want to go to for life advice
>JBP and his twitter medicalising
His daughter had sex with a guy who looks like a mad scientist took the worst parts of a rat and the worst parts of a fish and then made a human face of it
Lmao
She got knocked up by some beta communist she was dating and then had the baby and dumped him. Then she got involved with Tate in Twitter and left her baby with her mother and flew across the world and got pumped and dumped.
Carbs are essencial for energy and pumping, not to speak about the benefits from fiber and all the indirect water and vitamins that go through your organs. There's literally nothing positive about a shit carnivore diet.
I'm carnivore. I've figured out that it must be the same one or two vegan shills pretending to be omnivore and against meat. They have the same tired non-arguments every time. Just rape them in their threads and move on, that's all that we can do, really.
gay, have you heard their story?
both had bad chronic health and mental issues that were supposedly uncurable, that cleared with restricting diet to meat.
you might be fine eating carbs and plants, they weren't.
>I'm naturally fucked up therefore feel sorry for me goy
It literally sounds like defective garden gnome genes that shouldn't propagate at all. But well, he did
you can eat nothing but meat and remain in good health without supplements. if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as. inb4 some scurvy retard
You amerimutts are so funny >Verification not required
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice unadulterated whole food, sojlent.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA but he is actually 100% correct. You're seething.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I sincerely hope you're just baiting. Even the highest scientific authorities in the "vegan" community agree that they cannot go without supplements.
Do you know what's related with low B12 levels?
Dementia and Alzheimers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've been vegetarian over 30 years, never taken dietary supplements.
We can post bodies if you like...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Vegetarian
No need to move goal posts at this point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Listen, I hate vegans as much as any of you boneheads.
This conversation was about some meat-only retards that quickly morphed into bashing plant-only retards.
I use small amounts of milk, probably too much cheese (love pizza) and virtually zero eggs.
Trust me, a "plant-based diet" or whatever the fuck they want to call it these days is a perfectly viable option. Possibly even optimal. >Verification not required.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop lying, this conversation started with:
NTA, but that greentext is 100% accurate
>if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...]
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Please don't bully that person. They clearly have a B12 deficiency, hence the low IQ.
I've eaten nothing but plants for rather long periods & know exactly what happens.
You're still wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
t.B12-let
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Haha you might be right.
Never been tested, never visit a doctor or have had any type of health issue.
Will let you know if I get dementia when I'm 90.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>B12 deficiency >Doubling down
Many such cases
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not sure what your point is there mate.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do post body chud
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah, mr reddit seether again
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Such an enlightened comment.
Maybe someone should study correlation between meat consumption and intelligence.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit, are you telling me that Veganism and Vegetarianism are interchangeable? Holy fuck, I must be retarded then for not knowing that Vegans eat eggs and milk.
I'll be fucking honest, I stopped eating meat entirely, or at the very least have reduced meat consumption to an extremely small degree (we're talking 1 meat meal a month in quantity if that), and I limited this meat to mostly organ, fish and some select red meat.
My main diet is fruits and starchy tubers/root vegetables, coconut and walnut, and of course eggs and milk/dairy. Add some cacao, add some coffee, add some honey, add some speck once in a blue moon. My health has never been better and for once I'm eating EXACTLY what I've always intuitively known I should eat. Meat for me was never intuitive, shit like bacon and sausages and shit yeah are tasty, but I can't justify eating that. It's tasty in a vile sort of way, like dirty degenerate sex.
I distinctly remember as a kid I asked when my grandpa is gonna cut the cattle for meat, and I was enlightened learning that they don't keep cattle for meat, they keep it for the milk. It made SO much sense to me as a kid back then.
>. >My main diet is fruits and starchy tubers/root vegetables, coconut and walnut, and of course eggs and milk/dairy. Add some cacao, add some coffee, add some honey, add some speck once in a blue moon. My health has never been better and for once I'm eating EXACTLY what I've always intuitively known
basically autocannibalism. its the only reason veganism can stand since at first you feel good from removing all the chemical slop but with time of course they always wither and rot away their fat stores and muscle tissue. but ill give the guy credit for eating eggs and milk and coconut at the very least
Carbs are essencial for energy and pumping, not to speak about the benefits from fiber and all the indirect water and vitamins that go through your organs. There's literally nothing positive about a shit carnivore diet.
you have no idea what you are talking about
https://i.imgur.com/7tb7yeI.png
s*i sisters I dont feel so good
>no organs
not even carnivore at that point fuck these idiots
by killing himself, restarting life, and educating himself so i never have to be graced with this retardation ever again. solutions are everywhere even in these threads but it still foes right over this retard's brain
Yeah I'm sure your ancestors were eating their meat with fries, soda and south american potatoes. Moron. Meat is the single best thing you can eat and one of the few foods that can be eaten exclusively, if it's nose-to-tail.
Beans taste bad, have a poor texture, and are not satisfying in any way. You have to douse them in curried coconut milk (saturated fat) or bbq sauce (sugar) or refry them in lard like mexicans do or add guacamole and actual meat to make them remotely edible.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lentil soup is delicious with just some salt.
My favourite recipe
200g of red lentils
2 large sweet potatoes
4 large carrots
4 large celery sticks
1 large whole leek
4 cloves garlic
3tbsp 50/50 potassium/sodium salt
Boil for 10 minutes, simmer for 50 minutes, then purée.
If you really want to make it next level though, leave out the sweet potato, buy some lamb ribs, strip off the meat, boil the bones in the soup for 30 minutes, dice the rib meat into little cubes and throw into the soup and simmer for another 20 minutes.
or something like this
https://www.billyparisi.com/scotch-broth-soup-recipe/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Soup? I only do soup with a bechamel or demiglase base to it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mate, nothing you said is accurate.
You might not like them but that doesn't mean nobody else does.
none of you morons have skimmed through "dominion" and it shows.
https://archive.org/details/dominion00matt/page/n1/mode/2up
here its free
tldr: treat the animals with respect and dont buy from factory farm slophouses, which if you care about health you wouldnt be anyway since that meat is full of plastic and cancer.
if your meat eats dirty shit youre eating dirty shit. most cheapshit meat in america is fed with plastic and rancid processed food/candy
>MEAT IS BAD >EVERYONE WHO EATS IT DIES EARLY OR GETS A MAJOR ILLNESS >EXCEPT FOR THE 99.99999% WHO DON'T, THEY'RE TOTAL OUTLIERS!!!!! TRUST ME, GOY, I'M gnomish AND KNOW BETTER THAN YOU!!!!
Google the israel paradox. garden gnomes eat nothing but canola oil goyslop because they all buy into this bullshit too. They all have 5 covid vaxxes too. Israel has the worst heart disease in the world despite eating the lowest saturated fat. garden gnomes are the biggest sheeple there are.
Google the israel paradox. garden gnomes are the biggest retards about health. They already have a bunch of imbreeding diseases and shitty weak bodies and then they have a culture of being a sneak weasel rather than hard work. You tell me why they think if they just eat the heart healthy cheerios it will be better than eating eggs or lifting weights? They're always about the cheaters way rather than hard work and masculinity.
>According to the latest data available from the World Health Organization (WHO), Israel has a relatively low incidence rate of cardiovascular disease (CVD), including heart disease. In 2016, the age-standardized death rate for CVD in Israel was 123 per 100,000 population, which ranked Israel as 122nd globally for this indicator.
one bullshit from you
>Yes, Israel is known for its high consumption of vegetable oils per capita. According to data from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), in 2020, the average Israeli consumed approximately 21 kilograms (46 pounds) of vegetable oil per year, which is higher than the global average of 13 kilograms (29 pounds) per year.
one truth from you, wow
>Yes, Israel has one of the highest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the world. As of March 2023, more than 80% of the population has received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, which is the primary vaccine used in Israel's vaccination campaign. The country has also begun administering booster shots to eligible individuals to help maintain protection against COVID-19.
second truth
so two truths, one big lie. that is how you ketolards operate.
sure: >The "French Paradox" is a term used to describe the seemingly paradoxical observation that the French have a relatively low incidence of cardiovascular disease (CVD) despite their consumption of a diet that is high in saturated fat, which is traditionally thought to be a risk factor for CVD. The explanation for the French Paradox is still a matter of debate among scientists, but some of the proposed theories include: >Red wine consumption: Some researchers have suggested that the high consumption of red wine in France may be responsible for the lower incidence of CVD. Red wine contains a group of antioxidants called polyphenols, which have been shown to have cardioprotective effects. >Mediterranean-style diet: The French diet is often described as being similar to the Mediterranean-style diet, which is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and healthy fats from sources such as olive oil and fish. This type of diet has been linked to a lower risk of CVD. >Lifestyle factors: The French lifestyle includes regular physical activity, stress reduction through socializing, and a generally relaxed attitude towards life, which may contribute to better heart health. >Under-diagnosis: It is also possible that the low incidence of CVD in France is due to under-diagnosis, as the country has a relatively low rate of autopsies, which are often used to confirm the cause of death in cases of sudden cardiac death.
It's likely the combination of multiple factors, just like heart disease.
Or maybe just don't listen to people selling you products and eat natural whole foods.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You think the land of Carrefour, one of the largest supermarket chains in the world, eats only "natural whole foods"? Get a grip. You live in a fantasy land inside your head and need psychiatric treatment.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know what that is because I don't live in lower caledonia where chickens are illegal.
Sure beats google. Here's a counter-example of Latvia btw regarding that saturated fat consumption:
>According to the latest data available from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), the average person in Latvia consumed approximately 28 grams of saturated fat per day in 2020. This is higher than the global average of 17 grams of saturated fat per day. >Regarding heart disease rates, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), the age-standardized death rate from cardiovascular disease in Latvia in 2016 was 599 per 100,000 population. This is higher than the global average age-standardized death rate for cardiovascular disease in the same year, which was 254 per 100,000 population.
See how nicely it goes. As the saturated fat consumption doubles, so does the heart disease deaths. Now is the time when you start screeching that other factors play a role which nobody is denying. Just pointing out French-levels of saturated fat consumption do not guarantee French-levels of heart disease.
>Sure beats google
Maybe as a tool to get you started, but it confidently spouts inaccuracies all the time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Less inaccuracies than from keto shill sources where all science is bad and truth appears from cult leader's asshole.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell me, anon. Are the keto shill sources in the room with us right now? How long have they been gangstalking you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, they're in this thread right now telling everyone meat and saturated fat is good for you against all evidence.
https://i.imgur.com/YQG1Gf5.png
>Now is the time when you start screeching that other factors play a role which nobody is denying.
You're literally denying that other factors matter by claiming that saturated fat consumption is driving heart disease in Latvia and not the fact that they are one of the heaviest-drinking and smoking countries in the world >Smoking is particularly common among adult men; more than half smoke regularly, one of the highest rates in the OECD. The rate tracks the OECD average at about one in five. >Latvia has a higher prevalence of smoking tobacco in children than many other European countries.[5] The Global Youth Tobacco Survey (GYTS) in 2011 found that 40.5% of children in grades 7 through 9 reported current tobacco use, while 31.5% were smoking cigarettes.[6]
>ITS NOT THE FACT THAT THEY SMOKE LIKE CHIMNEYS AND DRINK LIKE FISH, IT'S DEFINITELY THE SATURATED FAT
I wasn't denying it, but Latvia is in line with the other countries (saturated fat consumption goes up, so does heart disease), hence why French are such an sole exception to the rule it's called a paradox. Now you're again trying to shift the blame from saturated fat to anything else despite it's proven to cause it. Why are you doing that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, they're in this thread right now telling everyone meat and saturated fat is good for you against all evidence
Ah, i see you have exhausted all options for sources, then. This thread, and chatGPT
Carry on, then
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have plenty of sources. The core issue with keto shills really is how they try to obfuscate from the fact. Two of the most damning things they avoid discussing at all cost are the following:
1. No study exists demonstrating reversal of heart disease by increasing saturated fat consumption (the opposite is true)
2. No study exists demonstrating improved health outcomes with increased meat consumption (the opposite is true)
It's exactly that reason why they first pretend that science is on their side, then when pressed switch to saying all science bad, and as a final step go full conspiratorial.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> No study exists demonstrating improved health outcomes with increased meat consumption
This is just false.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope.
Simply not true. None of the things you're claiming have been tested in controlled studies. epidemiological studies mean jackshit.
And here comes the full science denialism again. Just FYI the Ornish study on reversing heart disease was controlled and has been replicated later by Esselstyn among others. Next you will start crying about how change in diet was not the only thing they did, to which I reply cry all you want, the point still stands, no such study exists where increasing saturated fat consumption reverses heart disease. Additionally because you are scientifically illiterate imbecile, those tests also did test for what happens with incrased saturated fat consumption, it's called control group. It didn't reverse, it progressed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Simply not true. None of the things you're claiming have been tested in controlled studies. epidemiological studies mean jackshit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>None of the things you're claiming have been tested in controlled studies. epidemiological studies mean jackshit.
NTA and epidemiological studies are certainly the weakest form of scientific evidence, but they can still demonstrate strong associations that bely an underlying causative relationship.
Epidemiological studies showed an irrefutable relationship beteen smoking and various chronic diseases, and the typical hazard ratio, or risk increase, for lung cancer was 8-14 for smokers, ie an 8-14x increase in the chance of developing lung cancer.
Epidemiological studies on nutrition typically have HRs of 0.2-1.1 - almost statistical noise, and almost impossible to isolate from confounding factors like comorbidities, sedentary lifestyle, genetic risks, etc.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NTA and epidemiological studies are certainly the weakest form of scientific evidence, but they can still demonstrate strong associations that bely an underlying causative relationship.
Fucking WRONG!!! People who are vegan tend to lead healthier lifestiyes and do not smoke.
This is what we're dealing with. Also, there's no fucking controlled study were the participants are only consuming non processed metas, hence why epidemiological studies don't mean jack shit in this context.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You stopped reading his post partway through, didn't you? Because you're agreeing with him while calling him wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yet, with smoking there are controlled studies, known mechanisms and epidemiological evidence. All pointing into the same conclusion.
Not the same with nutrition in this particular case.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>1. No study exists demonstrating reversal of heart disease by increasing saturated fat consumption
No such study would get past ethics committee because of the axiomatic belief that saturated fat is bad for you.
However, plenty of studies have reduced saturated fat consumption and shown no reduction in heart disease mortality.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>reversal of heart disease
This vegan doc seems to disagree
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's free to disagree, but he should do it with another study showing the opposite to actually make any point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>another study showing the opposite
What do you mean by that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Learn some basic english maybe and the sentence will make sense
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Learn some basic english and maybe you could clarify your meaning instead of being a sperg
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>despite it's proven to cause it
But it isn't.
The evidence is extremely mixed both ways. For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
When the evidence is this mixed, it's likely that you haven't identified the essential cause, the primary driver, the main reason why people develop and die from heart disease.
Pic related has a much more compelling theory for the causes of heart disease - dysfunction in the thrombolytic process. We constantly develop blood clots within our vasculature to plug leaks, fix damage caused by shear forces, etc. Dietary factors, metabolic disease, exogenous chemicals such as those from smoking cigarettes etc, can disrupt the processes that break these clots apart, causing them to grow over time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation.
This is a blatant lie. No study exists showing negative correlation for increased saturated fat consumption and less heart disease.
Rest of your post is just the usual science denialism when facts don't support your lies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>science denialism
Go back
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No study exists showing negative correlation for increased saturated fat consumption and less heart disease.
Not when you aggregate all saturated fat together, as if it is one kind of food, but when you split it into different food types, different story.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34796724/ >Dietary Fatty Acids, Macronutrient Substitutions, Food Sources and Incidence of Coronary Heart Disease: Findings From the EPIC-CVD Case-Cohort Study Across Nine European Countries >For example, each 1% increase in total energy intake from yogurt or cheese was linked to a 7% and 2% lower risk of heart disease, respectively.
>Conversely, increased intake of red meat and butter were associated with a 7% and 2% higher risk of heart disease, respectively.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>7% and 2%
Completely insignificant in light of all the innumerable confounding variables affecting the data.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>for each 1% increase in total energy
Did you miss that part?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That is capped at 5%. So disingenuous. So the max is a 35% relative difference in incidence. Nothing about the absolute risk difference across 100 person-years of intervention. Questionnaire study. Statistical 'adjustments' everywhere. No analysis of possible mechanisms either.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So exactly the same as every study that you might post to "prove" that saturated fat "causes" heart disease, got it!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, no scientific claims can be made from any of these studies. Study back and fourth game is pseudo-intellectual fart sniffing. A complete waste of time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks for basically paraphrasing exactly what I said all the way back here
https://i.imgur.com/PMn0NGG.jpg
>despite it's proven to cause it
But it isn't.
The evidence is extremely mixed both ways. For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
When the evidence is this mixed, it's likely that you haven't identified the essential cause, the primary driver, the main reason why people develop and die from heart disease.
Pic related has a much more compelling theory for the causes of heart disease - dysfunction in the thrombolytic process. We constantly develop blood clots within our vasculature to plug leaks, fix damage caused by shear forces, etc. Dietary factors, metabolic disease, exogenous chemicals such as those from smoking cigarettes etc, can disrupt the processes that break these clots apart, causing them to grow over time.
>The evidence is extremely mixed both ways. For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The science doesn't exist. Deal with it instead of holding onto your epidemiology because it makes you feel smarter. The same kind of 'science' told us it was beneficial to get the vax, so I am assuming you are at least triple boosted.
>Now is the time when you start screeching that other factors play a role which nobody is denying.
You're literally denying that other factors matter by claiming that saturated fat consumption is driving heart disease in Latvia and not the fact that they are one of the heaviest-drinking and smoking countries in the world >Smoking is particularly common among adult men; more than half smoke regularly, one of the highest rates in the OECD. The rate tracks the OECD average at about one in five. >Latvia has a higher prevalence of smoking tobacco in children than many other European countries.[5] The Global Youth Tobacco Survey (GYTS) in 2011 found that 40.5% of children in grades 7 through 9 reported current tobacco use, while 31.5% were smoking cigarettes.[6]
>ITS NOT THE FACT THAT THEY SMOKE LIKE CHIMNEYS AND DRINK LIKE FISH, IT'S DEFINITELY THE SATURATED FAT
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pretty much spot on the drinking in europe is kinda crazy, the more north you go.
Once visited some friends in southern europe for 3 weeks and was kinda confused when nobody did drink anything when going out and just had a good time sober.
Was really nice but almost not possible where I am from, It is almost mandetory you drink something when going out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't understand Americans, no offense.
We have Alcohol in Europe ingrained into our culture and have an overall healthy relationship with it. We're functional after all.
But for some reason, burgers can't manage it in a healthy way, hence why you have(and had) so many laws restricting its usage.
So far this is the only accurate comment re: vegetarian/vegan diets, but only if you believe you need 1g protein per lb of bodyweight.
It's quite straightforward to get 100+g eating 2000cal/day.
Stop lying, this conversation started with: [...] >if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as.
https://i.imgur.com/jgrwlFO.png
Please don't bully that person. They clearly have a B12 deficiency, hence the low IQ.
I honestly can't believe some of you get so hung up on this B12 thing, I can assure you it's never crossed my mind before right now.
I'm sure even many of you have eaten what's shown in picrel.
Sorry mate, I have no idea how much B12 is in coconut milk tbqhwy.
It was just some image pulled off a search.
Like I've said, this is a non-issue for me.
Seems that meat-eating isn't really helping 40% of the population (what population?) either.
Just so we're all clear, vege/vegan != automatic healthy diet. Most of those huge bags of junk food in the supermarket are veg.
The idea of carnivore diet makes me nauseous. I love meat, but just eating the same stuff is so boring. I love my veggies, bread, rice and other stuff too.
What's wrong with meat? Are you some kind of sissy boy?
I think he means only eating meat.
It seems to work for them.
There intestines are rotting as we speak. Must be fun.
Source?
I'm on mobile, but from listening to the Nutrition guys arguing on Rogan (open debate between omnivore and vegan btw), they both seem to agree that there'a a process where meat rots in your intestine if there isn't enough fiber on your diet to flush it out.
>source?
>some guys on LE BASED ROGAN!!!!!
dont breed ever please
>im on mobile
stopped reading. end your life
The rest of the post was about what you would expect FYI
Both are retarded.
What is their argument even? That you shit less, so the meat must be putrefying inside of you?
You shit less on a high-meat diet because meat is close to 100% digestible. It doesn't persist through your entire digestive tract due to being inedible like fiber or corn does.
I cannot fathom that people eat roughage and are convinced that its necessary. You are not a cow. Stop eating like one.
Protein fermentation in colon is considered detrimental and is linked to rectal cancers.
i wonder if chadwick boseman was on carnivore diet before he got bummed
You know what else is linked to cancer? Not killing yourself right now.
i am not a mirror for you to project your own insecurities onto. those stay in your own head fren.
Do it mate, you'll never get cancer that way
What point? That he should kys?
even the way you construct sentences is full of insecurity, carnivore diet isn't gonna save someone like you
You just proved his point.
>Sauce?
>People on the JRE show!
Holy fuck you are absolutely retarded.
Yes, I do look at experts for advice on topics I know nothing about.
You can find the studies confirming the evidence if you like, I won't do that for you.
Here you go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6333923/
This study says nothing about meat rotting in your gut, it is about fermented food might be toxic in high amounts.
I knew you were gonna go with that, but now that we have established that cadaverine and putrescine are indeed toxic and harmful to us, here you go: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2297664/
>1990 Feb 15;65(4):958-66.
>C Löser 1
I am not reading pseudoscience from the Middle Ages written by some loser.
It is completely irrelevant to the topic of meat rotting in your gut, you still haven't provided source.
Not my problem, I accept your defeat.
>I'm not reading because it contradicts my beliefs.
Löser literally means "Solver" in German, brainlet. The layers of ironic stupidity in your post are hilarious, ngl.
>1990
>Middle ages
Zoom Zoom
>I am not reading pseudoscience from the Middle Ages written by some loser.
you can literally spot brainlets by the believe that observations about nature somehow have a expiry date
you're a fucking retard who knows nothing about digestion clearly since you brainlessly parrot a total myth. if you've ever seen an actual experiment with acid you would know that plants dont get digested for the most part by the stomach while meat begins to dissolve in mere minutes and that is without taking into account digestive enzymes, body heat, bacteria, etc. the experiment was also done on raw and cooked meat and of course the raw meat digested the fastest and the most completely (bone and all) due to the enzymes present in the food itself accelerating the process
>What is carnitine
>How does it gets digested
>He thinks that the acid in your stomach dissolves everything
>No degree in nutrition
Many such cases.
I accept your defeat, tho.
*They're
*Their
*thare
It's not, eating only meat all it does is reducing inflammation by simulating a fasting state. They are fucking their organs.
Also: Take your benzos.
>eating only meat all it does is reducing inflammation
The fuck it does, it's the main driver of systemic inflammation. That lie is so baffling because I've seen it repeated so often yet all the evidence points to exact opposite. Here's one
>Meat eating link to inflammation, worse gut health and MS
>The strongest systemic linkage was found with eating meat
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2022/01/28/meat-eating-linked-to-inflammation-worse-gut-health-and-ms.html
>Correlation does not equal causation.
>Statistical adjustment is literally just fudging the numbers to suit your agenda.
>Signal to noise ratio is always too high to make any scientific claims.
>The only thing that matter is the absolute (not relative) risk reduction across 100 person-years of intervention.
Nutrition 'science' is bullshit. Meat is the least inflammatory food there is. Go fuck yourself.
Ah yes the good old full science denial followed by a confident assertion to the opposite based on nothing. You people deserve to be shot.
Why so much hate?
Because of the full science denialism that ketolards and carnitards practice, a civil discussion based on facts is futile with you people, so the only solution to end your deadly misinformation spreading is violence. It’s not hate, it’s a logical final solution when everything else has been attempted.
>Correlation does not equal causation.
>Statistical adjustment is literally just fudging the numbers to suit your agenda.
>Signal to noise ratio is always too high to make any scientific claims.
>The only thing that matter is the absolute (not relative) risk reduction across 100 person-years of intervention.
Nutrition 'science' is bullshit. Go fuck yourself.
Yes that is what you keep on repeating because of total absence of proof that anything you say is true in the slightest. It doesn’t make it so.
In all fairness autoimmune diseases are extremely complex and multifaceted and we don't really know the genomics behind them. Why are you getting mad at a person who found a diet that helps them relieve their symptoms?
>It seems to work for them.
Ok you Macarenan Hob Goblin. You gotta save your uncle from the depths of Atlantis, buckaroonie.
Yeah I'm sure your ancestors were eating their meat with fries, soda and south american potatoes. Moron. Meat is the single best thing you can eat and one of the few foods that can be eaten exclusively, if it's nose-to-tail.
Our ancestors were eating meat once a week.
Yeah I'm sure ice age hunters ate meat once a week, and pasta and salad the rest of the week. Are you a vegan activist or just very low IQ?
>Muh Ice Age
This is what watching JRE does to brainlet.
I'm pretty sure that ice age nomadic hunters had 80 year life expectancies, fucking retard.
Their average life expectancy had very little to do with diet, so it is irrelevant.
Lol. Hunter-gatherers commonly lived to their 70s, with no clean water or sanittation. They were as tall as modern westerners (around 5'10) and had larger brain volumes than we do now.
Not the best argument, was it?
Most retarded post in the thread.
>Not the best argument, was it?
Your previous sentence? I'm glad we agree on something.
If any at all. Depending on the populations, meat was a very scarce and almost luxurious commodity. Old people in my village used to eat fish every 3 or 4 days and meat only on special occasions. I'm not joking when I'm saying that a lot of them died in their 90s.
Yeah the one on the left took Andrew Tate's meat.
They are retarded for just eating meat, and vegans are retarded for just eating plants.
nothing wrong with just eating meat and nothing else your whole life
Point me to a single study stating that.
>t. doesn't do anything unless there's a sHtUdY that tells him he should
I accept your defeat.
Nothing morally wrong sure, but you'll fuck your health.
>nothing wrong with just eating plants and nothing else your whole life
>both sides are le bad
Reddit opinion. If youre not an extremist for either camp then you should neck
Only low iqs are extremists for anything
That seems like an extreme position.
>no you cant sit on the fence you have to pick a side and be pissed off
brain rot
Unfortunately, facts don't care about your reddit karma. Sorry you have to find out this way, Soijak.
you're the retard
>meat is LE BAD
Wasted gets
have a nice day OP
jordan peterson proves that its impossible for a woman in the west to not turn out a whore no matter how they are raised
jordan peterson is a mangina who has mental breakdowns if he eats peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. he should have never had children in the first place
You're a fucking fool who's going to die sad and alone when the real hard times come. Meanwhile the people with principles will survive and take back the earth just to create another period of decadence where you weak ass fools will ultimately evolve once again and are ALLOWED to live, deluded about how you've contributed anything at all to anyone but yourselves.
This has happened before in human history many times, and the only thing preventing it from happening again is the relatively recent possibility of a nuclear winter wiping out the entire species instead. TL;DR you're a huge gay who's worth less than a ball of shit covered toiletpaper, dingleberry.
Nice copy pasta.
Haha some incel is triggered someone made fun of his alt right grifter internet daddy lmao stay mad chudfags
>Jordan Peterson
>Alt right
Kek
>Nooo my rightoid father figure isn’t a rightoid because that triggers me
Why are you wannabe nazi cucks such fragile snowflakes?
Jordan Peterson is a gatekeeping gnomish Supremacist and I wish his last benzo binge had just killed him already so we could all stop listening to him cry. That being said, you will never be a woman and you should strongly consider killing yourself.
Jordan Peterson is redpilled and knows about group conflict, inter generational resentment, trauma, revenge and subversion but he is trying to solve the problem by creating peace between the garden gnomes, christians, muslims without a holocaust or war happening. He beliefs that they can sort their differences out and co-exist peacefully. Peterson is crying for you and your soul, and you should be happy that at least one person in this world is doing so.
Stop crying Jordan, be a real man and clean your mind (and diet) before you clean that disgusting room of yours
seethe normie nignog lovers.
I have more sex than you and am better looking. The only reason I come here is to watch you retarded zoomers self-destruct. You should really listen to some of the shit he has to say though, but you won't because you trust the government LMAO. You're all(mostly) sad fucks.
say this 3 times
jordan peterson is my dadd
Lmfao who the fuck are you, his best buddy? He let you take his dick out of your hands long enough to type all that?
no he just proves people don't practice what they preach
Or he wasn't preaching the same thing 30 years ago when he was 25 than he does today at 55. Everybody fucks their kids up to some extent and none of us live up to the ideal person we want to in our heads all the time.
Sorry. Not tasty. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.
>misses the anabolic window once
what no meaning does to a mf
Meat is good
Only eating meat is tarded
>mfw
The issue with vegans is that they are all on a moral diet. They are activists, so there's no real science that supports them.
Only one issue with vegans ?
LMAO
Vegan here. What's the other issue? I'm curious.
the worst part about vegans is how god damn insecure they are honestly. dont get me wrong tackling a problem like that by starting with yourself is great
but holy shit they need to shut the fuck up about other people, they spend half their time talking shit about meat eaters and comparing themselves to them. you can tell they feel better than everyone else with the wording they use
>carnists
>omnis
>flesh burners
like holy fuck get over yourself, go ahead and feel great about making a change for the better of all animals but stop putting down another group of people to feel better about yourself. If the price for better morals is deep insecurity than count me out
People would buy into veganism if 5% of the diet included some form of animal protein (not just eggs). As it stands, they are just wrong.
Red meat is bad if you it it a lot you'll probably get heart problems
NOOOO they're not thinking about how the cows feel!!!!!
Cows are really stupid BTW. They have absolutely no awareness. It's why they make excellent livestock. It's why the average well trained quarterhorse can herd them easily with little to no effort wherever they want them to go. If you put a trained horse in a field alone with a cow, it will then herd the cow around for fun. The cow won't notice it was ever herded around in the first place when the horse is bored and goes to take a nap or eat some grass. The cow then goes on to eat grass as if nothing was happening. They are so stupid that they don't even understand what's going on in the slaughterhouse until the moment the bolt is in their brain. Then they're already dead. Cows literally exist for the purpose of being eaten by one of the plethora of a smarter animals, including humans.
You've never encountered wild cows. They will bolt straight at you and fuck you up. They regularly kill people.
NOOOO you should ignore the pointless breeding, raping and torture of harmless animals, and look at this cherry picked mentally ill raw vegan.
>NOOOO you should ignore the pointless breeding, raping and torture of harmless animals, and look at this cherry picked mentally ill raw vegan and btw check this totally natural not cherry picked vegan cunt
>NOOOO you should ignore the pointless breeding, raping and torture of harmless animals, and look at this cherry picked mentally ill raw vegan.
We are what we are and humans are inherently evil. Humans are capable of doing incredibly cruel things to other beings that don't belong to their "tribe".
give me an actual logical reason as to why i should care about the feelings of animals
Because if they live liek shit and eat shit, they taste like shit
obviously natty vs obviously on gear. nobody gives a shit about the animals, including me.
>pointless breeding, raping
In the case of bovines, breeding is done by bulls who are in a pack with cows while they're in a pasture. The animals in charge of the breeding and raping are bulls.
>torture of harmless animals
The "evidence" of this torturing is staged by vegans when they're making one of their "documentaries" or is in China.
jfc Delgado is playing a russian roulette with the amount of gears he blasts
>posts roiding vegan
>replies with a cherrypick
this better be satire
natty vs voids
To be fair, this chick has some weird genetic sickness where she can only eatspecific vegan diet. She actually looked worse when she wasnt vegan, believe it or not.
Its the same with Peterson, he has this weird genetic thing where he can basically only properly digest meat. Anything else and he might as well be eating cardboard.
Does it mean vegan/carnivore diet is good? Not for the average person, but these two examples arent average.
Damn, poor lady. It's good to hear she's improving though. It's crazy how important diet can be for some people.
inb4
Mihaila Peterson is an useless person, so she found a diet business that also panders to the right side of culture wars. It's a nice synergy. Give a useless woman some slack.
You're posting about them and their practices on the internet so they must be smarter than you.
>Well, yes. 95% of my diet doesn't contain animal products, how could you tell?
s*i sisters I dont feel so good
I wonder if anyone will sue her for spreading missinformation in the future. Also, nice to see that some biomarkers are conviniently not being displayed there.
Also: Imagine having to take vitamins to keep up.
LOL
LMAO even
You will die soon grass fed boi
90% of my diet is vegan, yes. The rest is animal products, including meat. I will outlive you :^)
>gets hit by a car tomorrow
>that pic
As soon as someone else disagrees with you I guarantee you will start scrutinizing their source
>I wonder if anyone will sue her for spreading missinformation in the future
Possibly, along with the rest of the keto shills (yes le carnivore diet is just yeat another rebrand of the same ol' thing). They do put small print disclaimers in their publications that they are not real practicing doctors, it's not real medical advice, believe on your own discretion, please seek real doctor if you get sick etc for legal shielding but I don't think it will hold once the awareness grows big enough that their scam is hurting people. And if the legal system doesn't work, I hope Americans have enough of the frontier cowboy spirit left in them to do the necessary with ropes and trees.
Keto shit almost killed me when I was young. Jesus, I was stupid then.
It made me so fatigued I had to take 2 years off university to recover, then drop out. Didn't even realize it was the fucking diet until it was too late. I thought it was just stress from studies.
Your current diet isn't doing you any better, Nick
I'm a noob with biomarkers and shit. Could you elaborate further?
She left out Some essencial vitamins. But that's beyond the point anyway. She literally needs to supplement those.
Meaningless. I haven't eaten animal products in 12 years and my bloods always come back perfect too. All it shows is that vitamin deficiency in the west is predominantly due to malabsorbtion not malnutrition.
What about ldl hdl
>carnivore diet is good for mental and physical health
>daughter is still a mental wreck and has shit loads of autoimmune issues
Do you think that they pretend to have multiple illnesses just to get more clout and shit to talk about on the JRE?
And Jordan went on benzos and depression cruise. I've nothing against him, he's brilliant, but goddamn isn't he a total retard when it comes to food.
>A diet rich in fiber and vegetables can relieve depression
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324367
>inb4 linked, correlation, not listening lalalala
Its mechanism is also known, gut bacteria generate propionate out of fiber which in turn morph to serotonin. It's also why people prone to depression tend to be vegans (with clickbait articles implying vegan diet causes depression)
Nah Jordan Peterson is just an alt right incel grifter chudfag
damn Peterson looks good
Why is Jordan Peterson "the voice of men" yet he sounds like my grandma?
He's just the voice of incels.
He’s the voice of DYEL incels when need an internet daddy
> "the voice of men"
The only people who I ever encounter in real life that mentioned his name is , so
Rome that I know who always asked me “why you hate him?” and some black guy that I made him cry while speaking too loud to him at some wageslave who didn’t shut his mouth and were like “He’s very , very , very smart man , very smart man anon.”.
Maybe he’s voice of America or something.
Both my 60yo dad and my 65yo stepdad know who jordan peterson is and talk about him due to youtube clips of him owning the libs.
Consider dilating
I will dilate your mother's ass pussy.
>You bloody bitch basterd! Your uncle is a donkey! I rape you one tousand time!
>keto/carnivore le bad because retarded garden gnome shills say it's good
Every time I see that man's face I feel like digging a hole in the ground and sticking my head in it so I don't feel embarassed for him.
That's got to be one of the saddest people alive, ever, just look at his expression, guy's eternally depressed
Yeah I don’t feel sorry for him either since he went don’t the alt right grifter path
>HES A HECKIN NAZERINO!!!!
>don't
He's a loxist, with a whore daughter.
Yes he is but not for that reason
His daughter got flown out by a internet snake oilsalesmen and sucked his dick
Is this what being a multimillionaire gets you? Some 7/10 witch face dumb hoe? This world is such a joke
and what did she get? a balding chinlet with fucked up teeth and a half nig?
>flexing his arm for the camera
This guy is male insecurity turned into a weird caricature
You realize that women literally exist to dress up and show off their ass/titties/faces? But when a guy wants to look good in a picture by flexing a little he's suddenly the epitome of insecurity? Do you realize how fucking lamebrained you are anon? You really should just end yourself if they've got you this brainwashed already...and those were rhetorical questions BTW so you can keep your hand on your little chode. I won't even look at your response anyway HAHWHAHHAHAHA
So Tate is equivalent to an insecure woman? Agreed
>so if a guy wants to act like a woman on social media he's the epitome of insecurity?
yes
Why do incels suck his dick so hard, you realise you don't need advice from some random grifter right? Or if you do you are pathetic
People replace actual effort with shit like reading about what they want to do or buying shit that they need to achieve goals. Their brain has a similar reaction as actually accomplishing the goal and they become satisfied. Even talking about it causes satisfying feeling. It's a form of self sabotage and why these grifters never offer real solutions, they just shit out their mouth in the particular odor the niche wants to sniff
This image alone discredits Peterson's self help guru grift. His daughter fucked Andrew Tate. Clearly this man is not the person you want to go to for life advice
Man he looks like shit
he looks objectively great, jesus christ the cope
Are you kidding me? His face looks ugly and fishlike. Innsmouth looking clown. And feminine. It looks smaller than hers too LMAO
>LMAO
>JBP and his twitter medicalising
His daughter had sex with a guy who looks like a mad scientist took the worst parts of a rat and the worst parts of a fish and then made a human face of it
Lmao
the power of the carnivore diet, hooking up with some gypsy guru, incredible really
Reminder that she abandoned her toddler and boyfriend to go get pumped and dumped by tate.
Did a bit of researching on her saga. Haha, what a shitshow. Doesn't JP moralise a lot about family values and shit, his daughter is absolute kek.
qrd?
She got knocked up by some beta communist she was dating and then had the baby and dumped him. Then she got involved with Tate in Twitter and left her baby with her mother and flew across the world and got pumped and dumped.
hey bros, i think she looks alright. tate is pretty based for fucking her and then moving on.
I heard she was in an orgy with Romanians
IST of all places is against carnivore diet? The only nutrients you miss out on are Vit A (unless you eat organs) and Vit C.
Carbs are essencial for energy and pumping, not to speak about the benefits from fiber and all the indirect water and vitamins that go through your organs. There's literally nothing positive about a shit carnivore diet.
Always have been. /carnivore/ generals never took off.
Go eat some potatoes or rice and a fucking salad or some other vegetables with your meat. You'll feel better, I promise.
I'm carnivore. I've figured out that it must be the same one or two vegan shills pretending to be omnivore and against meat. They have the same tired non-arguments every time. Just rape them in their threads and move on, that's all that we can do, really.
What the FUCK is Peterson doing holding his fork like that?
You remember the onions memes? Well, eating only meat does the same.
The gnomish genes really show in his daughter
Eat your veggies. Otherwise you will become a miserable depressed addicted like Pedro.
I'm glad to see the carnivore/primal diet fad is dying out finally.
According to who? le UCLA professor?
meat is good, but carnivore diet/eating 100% meat is a meme and the flipside of vegan gayry
*solves your gut health*
Too bad retards won't figure it out.
gimme dat kraut
kraut and deenz is goat
Its kimchi for me, but it the same thing. Godlike for my gut health.
Kimchi's fucking vile, it only tastes good when you don't have anything else
Is that cabbage or lettuce?
>Too bad retards won't figure it out.
People eat both meat and veggies you dummy.
gay, have you heard their story?
both had bad chronic health and mental issues that were supposedly uncurable, that cleared with restricting diet to meat.
you might be fine eating carbs and plants, they weren't.
>I'm naturally fucked up therefore feel sorry for me goy
It literally sounds like defective garden gnome genes that shouldn't propagate at all. But well, he did
The modern world is cancer anon and you shouldn’t be acclimatised to it
>have you heard their story?
If you believe anything a Peterstein says at this point, you are a literal NPC
Bro Peterson literally almost died from drinking apple cider while on his retarded meat only diet lmfao.
Just eat what smells good that's your brain telling you what to eat I have no evidence for this go fuck yourself.
you can eat nothing but meat and remain in good health without supplements. if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as. inb4 some scurvy retard
Possibly the most retarded thing I've ever read.
Yet you cannot refute it. Curious.
You're seething, aren't you?
>if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as.
Are you honestly telling me you believe this??
NTA, but that greentext is 100% accurate
Sorry mate, you're 100% incorrect.
>Dies from B12 deficiency
Not my problem.
You amerimutts are so funny
>Verification not required
Nice unadulterated whole food, sojlent.
NTA but he is actually 100% correct. You're seething.
I sincerely hope you're just baiting. Even the highest scientific authorities in the "vegan" community agree that they cannot go without supplements.
Do you know what's related with low B12 levels?
Dementia and Alzheimers.
I've been vegetarian over 30 years, never taken dietary supplements.
We can post bodies if you like...
>Vegetarian
No need to move goal posts at this point.
Listen, I hate vegans as much as any of you boneheads.
This conversation was about some meat-only retards that quickly morphed into bashing plant-only retards.
I use small amounts of milk, probably too much cheese (love pizza) and virtually zero eggs.
Trust me, a "plant-based diet" or whatever the fuck they want to call it these days is a perfectly viable option. Possibly even optimal.
>Verification not required.
Stop lying, this conversation started with:
>if you eat nothing but plants and dont supplement you will get deficiencies and get sick. simple as.
I've eaten nothing but plants for rather long periods & know exactly what happens.
You're still wrong.
t.B12-let
Haha you might be right.
Never been tested, never visit a doctor or have had any type of health issue.
Will let you know if I get dementia when I'm 90.
>B12 deficiency
>Doubling down
Many such cases
Not sure what your point is there mate.
Do post body chud
Ah, mr reddit seether again
Retard.
Such an enlightened comment.
Maybe someone should study correlation between meat consumption and intelligence.
Holy shit, are you telling me that Veganism and Vegetarianism are interchangeable? Holy fuck, I must be retarded then for not knowing that Vegans eat eggs and milk.
not him but kys fucking reddit moron
Such powerful words!
I'm not threatened by you.
You're going to need to back up your claims with real evidence and not insults if you want to be taken seriously.
What you have is soi rage.
Don't feed the trolls, mate.
There appears to be one anon seething in this thread & he keeps advertising that fact.
t. has hardly read anything
Veganism is inherently immoral
shes hot
Y’all need to have sex but y’all ain’t ready for that talk…
They might be healthy if they weren't taking 30 different prescription meds daily
>arms as skinny as his daughter
I'll pass kek
>MEAT IS LE BAD
Seriously, are these people fucking retarded?
>tfw Peterson often praises the importance of physical fitness and benefits of lifting but looks like a frail dyel
why doesn't he practice what he preaches?
He's a natty academic dude in his 60s. He looks fine.
I'll be fucking honest, I stopped eating meat entirely, or at the very least have reduced meat consumption to an extremely small degree (we're talking 1 meat meal a month in quantity if that), and I limited this meat to mostly organ, fish and some select red meat.
My main diet is fruits and starchy tubers/root vegetables, coconut and walnut, and of course eggs and milk/dairy. Add some cacao, add some coffee, add some honey, add some speck once in a blue moon. My health has never been better and for once I'm eating EXACTLY what I've always intuitively known I should eat. Meat for me was never intuitive, shit like bacon and sausages and shit yeah are tasty, but I can't justify eating that. It's tasty in a vile sort of way, like dirty degenerate sex.
I distinctly remember as a kid I asked when my grandpa is gonna cut the cattle for meat, and I was enlightened learning that they don't keep cattle for meat, they keep it for the milk. It made SO much sense to me as a kid back then.
>.
>My main diet is fruits and starchy tubers/root vegetables, coconut and walnut, and of course eggs and milk/dairy. Add some cacao, add some coffee, add some honey, add some speck once in a blue moon. My health has never been better and for once I'm eating EXACTLY what I've always intuitively known
>t. gigachad
where tf doyou get your protein from gay
basically autocannibalism. its the only reason veganism can stand since at first you feel good from removing all the chemical slop but with time of course they always wither and rot away their fat stores and muscle tissue. but ill give the guy credit for eating eggs and milk and coconut at the very least
you have no idea what you are talking about
>no organs
not even carnivore at that point fuck these idiots
>you have no idea what you are talking about
Amazing argument. How will he ever recover?
by killing himself, restarting life, and educating himself so i never have to be graced with this retardation ever again. solutions are everywhere even in these threads but it still foes right over this retard's brain
500g dry
125g protein
<2 $/£/€
>eating beans
Is that a problem?
This bro eatin' beans
Yep
But they're pulses actually.
I;m thinking about thos Beans
Beans taste bad, have a poor texture, and are not satisfying in any way. You have to douse them in curried coconut milk (saturated fat) or bbq sauce (sugar) or refry them in lard like mexicans do or add guacamole and actual meat to make them remotely edible.
Lentil soup is delicious with just some salt.
My favourite recipe
200g of red lentils
2 large sweet potatoes
4 large carrots
4 large celery sticks
1 large whole leek
4 cloves garlic
3tbsp 50/50 potassium/sodium salt
Boil for 10 minutes, simmer for 50 minutes, then purée.
If you really want to make it next level though, leave out the sweet potato, buy some lamb ribs, strip off the meat, boil the bones in the soup for 30 minutes, dice the rib meat into little cubes and throw into the soup and simmer for another 20 minutes.
or something like this
https://www.billyparisi.com/scotch-broth-soup-recipe/
Soup? I only do soup with a bechamel or demiglase base to it.
Mate, nothing you said is accurate.
You might not like them but that doesn't mean nobody else does.
Bongs have no taste buds
Touché
I hope you aren't vegan.
>here’s why meat is le bad and eggs is le good
They’re the same thing you braindead retard vegan shill.
Imagine being triggered about other people's diet
Get a life pathetic incel
none of you morons have skimmed through "dominion" and it shows.
https://archive.org/details/dominion00matt/page/n1/mode/2up
here its free
tldr: treat the animals with respect and dont buy from factory farm slophouses, which if you care about health you wouldnt be anyway since that meat is full of plastic and cancer.
if your meat eats dirty shit youre eating dirty shit. most cheapshit meat in america is fed with plastic and rancid processed food/candy
Okay retard.
>yum yum mmm delicious plastics mmm give it to me rabbi yes
That's the wrong Dominion, doofus.
>MEAT IS BAD
>EVERYONE WHO EATS IT DIES EARLY OR GETS A MAJOR ILLNESS
>EXCEPT FOR THE 99.99999% WHO DON'T, THEY'RE TOTAL OUTLIERS!!!!! TRUST ME, GOY, I'M gnomish AND KNOW BETTER THAN YOU!!!!
Google the israel paradox. garden gnomes eat nothing but canola oil goyslop because they all buy into this bullshit too. They all have 5 covid vaxxes too. Israel has the worst heart disease in the world despite eating the lowest saturated fat. garden gnomes are the biggest sheeple there are.
>[citation needed]
for all of that, oh also didn't you insufferable gays categorically deny all science anyways like anon pointed out above?
Google the israel paradox. garden gnomes are the biggest retards about health. They already have a bunch of imbreeding diseases and shitty weak bodies and then they have a culture of being a sneak weasel rather than hard work. You tell me why they think if they just eat the heart healthy cheerios it will be better than eating eggs or lifting weights? They're always about the cheaters way rather than hard work and masculinity.
>everyone other than me and my friends is one person
touch grass
I'll just ask chatGPT
>According to the latest data available from the World Health Organization (WHO), Israel has a relatively low incidence rate of cardiovascular disease (CVD), including heart disease. In 2016, the age-standardized death rate for CVD in Israel was 123 per 100,000 population, which ranked Israel as 122nd globally for this indicator.
one bullshit from you
>Yes, Israel is known for its high consumption of vegetable oils per capita. According to data from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), in 2020, the average Israeli consumed approximately 21 kilograms (46 pounds) of vegetable oil per year, which is higher than the global average of 13 kilograms (29 pounds) per year.
one truth from you, wow
>Yes, Israel has one of the highest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the world. As of March 2023, more than 80% of the population has received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, which is the primary vaccine used in Israel's vaccination campaign. The country has also begun administering booster shots to eligible individuals to help maintain protection against COVID-19.
second truth
so two truths, one big lie. that is how you ketolards operate.
Now ask it what the french paradox is
sure:
>The "French Paradox" is a term used to describe the seemingly paradoxical observation that the French have a relatively low incidence of cardiovascular disease (CVD) despite their consumption of a diet that is high in saturated fat, which is traditionally thought to be a risk factor for CVD. The explanation for the French Paradox is still a matter of debate among scientists, but some of the proposed theories include:
>Red wine consumption: Some researchers have suggested that the high consumption of red wine in France may be responsible for the lower incidence of CVD. Red wine contains a group of antioxidants called polyphenols, which have been shown to have cardioprotective effects.
>Mediterranean-style diet: The French diet is often described as being similar to the Mediterranean-style diet, which is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and healthy fats from sources such as olive oil and fish. This type of diet has been linked to a lower risk of CVD.
>Lifestyle factors: The French lifestyle includes regular physical activity, stress reduction through socializing, and a generally relaxed attitude towards life, which may contribute to better heart health.
>Under-diagnosis: It is also possible that the low incidence of CVD in France is due to under-diagnosis, as the country has a relatively low rate of autopsies, which are often used to confirm the cause of death in cases of sudden cardiac death.
It's likely the combination of multiple factors, just like heart disease.
Or maybe just don't listen to people selling you products and eat natural whole foods.
You think the land of Carrefour, one of the largest supermarket chains in the world, eats only "natural whole foods"? Get a grip. You live in a fantasy land inside your head and need psychiatric treatment.
I don't know what that is because I don't live in lower caledonia where chickens are illegal.
>I'll just ask chatGPT
You vegans really are NPCs arent you
Sure beats google. Here's a counter-example of Latvia btw regarding that saturated fat consumption:
>According to the latest data available from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), the average person in Latvia consumed approximately 28 grams of saturated fat per day in 2020. This is higher than the global average of 17 grams of saturated fat per day.
>Regarding heart disease rates, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), the age-standardized death rate from cardiovascular disease in Latvia in 2016 was 599 per 100,000 population. This is higher than the global average age-standardized death rate for cardiovascular disease in the same year, which was 254 per 100,000 population.
See how nicely it goes. As the saturated fat consumption doubles, so does the heart disease deaths. Now is the time when you start screeching that other factors play a role which nobody is denying. Just pointing out French-levels of saturated fat consumption do not guarantee French-levels of heart disease.
>Sure beats google
Maybe as a tool to get you started, but it confidently spouts inaccuracies all the time
Less inaccuracies than from keto shill sources where all science is bad and truth appears from cult leader's asshole.
Tell me, anon. Are the keto shill sources in the room with us right now? How long have they been gangstalking you?
Yeah, they're in this thread right now telling everyone meat and saturated fat is good for you against all evidence.
I wasn't denying it, but Latvia is in line with the other countries (saturated fat consumption goes up, so does heart disease), hence why French are such an sole exception to the rule it's called a paradox. Now you're again trying to shift the blame from saturated fat to anything else despite it's proven to cause it. Why are you doing that?
>Yeah, they're in this thread right now telling everyone meat and saturated fat is good for you against all evidence
Ah, i see you have exhausted all options for sources, then. This thread, and chatGPT
Carry on, then
I have plenty of sources. The core issue with keto shills really is how they try to obfuscate from the fact. Two of the most damning things they avoid discussing at all cost are the following:
1. No study exists demonstrating reversal of heart disease by increasing saturated fat consumption (the opposite is true)
2. No study exists demonstrating improved health outcomes with increased meat consumption (the opposite is true)
It's exactly that reason why they first pretend that science is on their side, then when pressed switch to saying all science bad, and as a final step go full conspiratorial.
> No study exists demonstrating improved health outcomes with increased meat consumption
This is just false.
Nope.
And here comes the full science denialism again. Just FYI the Ornish study on reversing heart disease was controlled and has been replicated later by Esselstyn among others. Next you will start crying about how change in diet was not the only thing they did, to which I reply cry all you want, the point still stands, no such study exists where increasing saturated fat consumption reverses heart disease. Additionally because you are scientifically illiterate imbecile, those tests also did test for what happens with incrased saturated fat consumption, it's called control group. It didn't reverse, it progressed.
Simply not true. None of the things you're claiming have been tested in controlled studies. epidemiological studies mean jackshit.
>None of the things you're claiming have been tested in controlled studies. epidemiological studies mean jackshit.
NTA and epidemiological studies are certainly the weakest form of scientific evidence, but they can still demonstrate strong associations that bely an underlying causative relationship.
Epidemiological studies showed an irrefutable relationship beteen smoking and various chronic diseases, and the typical hazard ratio, or risk increase, for lung cancer was 8-14 for smokers, ie an 8-14x increase in the chance of developing lung cancer.
Epidemiological studies on nutrition typically have HRs of 0.2-1.1 - almost statistical noise, and almost impossible to isolate from confounding factors like comorbidities, sedentary lifestyle, genetic risks, etc.
>NTA and epidemiological studies are certainly the weakest form of scientific evidence, but they can still demonstrate strong associations that bely an underlying causative relationship.
Fucking WRONG!!! People who are vegan tend to lead healthier lifestiyes and do not smoke.
This is what we're dealing with. Also, there's no fucking controlled study were the participants are only consuming non processed metas, hence why epidemiological studies don't mean jack shit in this context.
You stopped reading his post partway through, didn't you? Because you're agreeing with him while calling him wrong.
Yet, with smoking there are controlled studies, known mechanisms and epidemiological evidence. All pointing into the same conclusion.
Not the same with nutrition in this particular case.
>1. No study exists demonstrating reversal of heart disease by increasing saturated fat consumption
No such study would get past ethics committee because of the axiomatic belief that saturated fat is bad for you.
However, plenty of studies have reduced saturated fat consumption and shown no reduction in heart disease mortality.
>reversal of heart disease
This vegan doc seems to disagree
He's free to disagree, but he should do it with another study showing the opposite to actually make any point.
>another study showing the opposite
What do you mean by that?
Learn some basic english maybe and the sentence will make sense
Learn some basic english and maybe you could clarify your meaning instead of being a sperg
>despite it's proven to cause it
But it isn't.
The evidence is extremely mixed both ways. For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
When the evidence is this mixed, it's likely that you haven't identified the essential cause, the primary driver, the main reason why people develop and die from heart disease.
Pic related has a much more compelling theory for the causes of heart disease - dysfunction in the thrombolytic process. We constantly develop blood clots within our vasculature to plug leaks, fix damage caused by shear forces, etc. Dietary factors, metabolic disease, exogenous chemicals such as those from smoking cigarettes etc, can disrupt the processes that break these clots apart, causing them to grow over time.
>For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation.
This is a blatant lie. No study exists showing negative correlation for increased saturated fat consumption and less heart disease.
Rest of your post is just the usual science denialism when facts don't support your lies.
>science denialism
Go back
>No study exists showing negative correlation for increased saturated fat consumption and less heart disease.
Not when you aggregate all saturated fat together, as if it is one kind of food, but when you split it into different food types, different story.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34796724/
>Dietary Fatty Acids, Macronutrient Substitutions, Food Sources and Incidence of Coronary Heart Disease: Findings From the EPIC-CVD Case-Cohort Study Across Nine European Countries
>For example, each 1% increase in total energy intake from yogurt or cheese was linked to a 7% and 2% lower risk of heart disease, respectively.
>Conversely, increased intake of red meat and butter were associated with a 7% and 2% higher risk of heart disease, respectively.
>7% and 2%
Completely insignificant in light of all the innumerable confounding variables affecting the data.
>for each 1% increase in total energy
Did you miss that part?
That is capped at 5%. So disingenuous. So the max is a 35% relative difference in incidence. Nothing about the absolute risk difference across 100 person-years of intervention. Questionnaire study. Statistical 'adjustments' everywhere. No analysis of possible mechanisms either.
So exactly the same as every study that you might post to "prove" that saturated fat "causes" heart disease, got it!
Yes, no scientific claims can be made from any of these studies. Study back and fourth game is pseudo-intellectual fart sniffing. A complete waste of time.
Thanks for basically paraphrasing exactly what I said all the way back here
>The evidence is extremely mixed both ways. For every study that appears to show a positive correlation, another shows a negative correlation
The science doesn't exist. Deal with it instead of holding onto your epidemiology because it makes you feel smarter. The same kind of 'science' told us it was beneficial to get the vax, so I am assuming you are at least triple boosted.
>Now is the time when you start screeching that other factors play a role which nobody is denying.
You're literally denying that other factors matter by claiming that saturated fat consumption is driving heart disease in Latvia and not the fact that they are one of the heaviest-drinking and smoking countries in the world
>Smoking is particularly common among adult men; more than half smoke regularly, one of the highest rates in the OECD. The rate tracks the OECD average at about one in five.
>Latvia has a higher prevalence of smoking tobacco in children than many other European countries.[5] The Global Youth Tobacco Survey (GYTS) in 2011 found that 40.5% of children in grades 7 through 9 reported current tobacco use, while 31.5% were smoking cigarettes.[6]
>ITS NOT THE FACT THAT THEY SMOKE LIKE CHIMNEYS AND DRINK LIKE FISH, IT'S DEFINITELY THE SATURATED FAT
Pretty much spot on the drinking in europe is kinda crazy, the more north you go.
Once visited some friends in southern europe for 3 weeks and was kinda confused when nobody did drink anything when going out and just had a good time sober.
Was really nice but almost not possible where I am from, It is almost mandetory you drink something when going out.
I don't understand Americans, no offense.
We have Alcohol in Europe ingrained into our culture and have an overall healthy relationship with it. We're functional after all.
But for some reason, burgers can't manage it in a healthy way, hence why you have(and had) so many laws restricting its usage.
THEY HAVE AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES ITS ALMOST LIKE ITS A PERMANENT ELIMINATION DIET IM NOT EVEN A PETERSON FANBOY BUT STOP MAKING TRASH THREADS HOLY CRAP
Show us your medical license now. Or Jordan's.
Show me yours since you adhere to a diet and exercise regiment
Fascist
They do this because of a rare autoimmune condition, not because it's the right diet for everyone. JP has said as much.
Is it just my impression or is this board more retarded than usual today?
As a vegan, the caloric intake you need to go through to get your daily recommended dose of protein is ludicrous.
So far this is the only accurate comment re: vegetarian/vegan diets, but only if you believe you need 1g protein per lb of bodyweight.
It's quite straightforward to get 100+g eating 2000cal/day.
Meat is good.
More the better.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797090/
>Such powerful words!
>I'm not threatened by you.
>You're going to need to back up your claims with real evidence and not insults if you want to be taken seriously.
>What you have is soi rage.
>Verification not required
Please don't bully that person. They clearly have a B12 deficiency, hence the low IQ.
>Haha you might be right.
>Not sure what your point is there mate.
One of those comments was in reply to a somewhat witty remark.
The other was to some kind of vague murmuring. Do try to be clearer next time.
>One of those comments was in reply to a somewhat witty remark.
>The other was to some kind of vague murmuring. Do try to be clearer next time.
I honestly can't believe some of you get so hung up on this B12 thing, I can assure you it's never crossed my mind before right now.
I'm sure even many of you have eaten what's shown in picrel.
lol
LMAO even
Sorry mate, I have no idea how much B12 is in coconut milk tbqhwy.
It was just some image pulled off a search.
Like I've said, this is a non-issue for me.
> Like I've said, this is a non-issue for me.
Dementia is coming tho
>I can assure you it's never crossed my mind before right now.
Some jokes write themselves.
Fuck, I love science.
Seems that meat-eating isn't really helping 40% of the population (what population?) either.
Just so we're all clear, vege/vegan != automatic healthy diet. Most of those huge bags of junk food in the supermarket are veg.
Or most people don't eat nearly enough meat.
most people don’t have access to meat
if you cant even get access to milk and or eggs then you're nothing but a bug who shouldnt have an opinion
The idea of carnivore diet makes me nauseous. I love meat, but just eating the same stuff is so boring. I love my veggies, bread, rice and other stuff too.
eating food shouldn't be fun gay
Which is why you exclusively eat nutrientslop, right?
That's what liver, bone marrow, demiglase, tongue, tripe, kidneys, head cheese are all for
this is the funniest thread I've seen in a while.
Keep going.