Do masculine motivational channels put too much pressure on men ? From a traditional masculine perspective man should always have the imputus to be better and always strive to be better because ultimately our primary role is to be providers. But to what extent is it too much? At what point can you tell yourself, I am enough or is do you consider that to be defeatist attitude?
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If you are the best man in the world, it's still not enough because other men want your place.
That's good, I don't like getting bored. Anyone who wants my place can put a bullet in my head, if they can do it before I blow their brains out.
You wanna have a dude put something inside you or you blow him? I dunno sounds pretty gay.
As a man, the world expects you to become better and better and better but this is an endless chase. You will never be perfect, you will never be good enough. This causes many guys to become depressed and feel inferior.
What Tyler says about "self improvement is masturbation" has some truth to it.
On ther side, women basically dont have to do anything to become better. Like this guy says, "you are perfect" even being a fat, lazy, dumb piece of shit. Doesnt matter, there will ALWAYS be a beta provider cuck who will pay for your bills. Women are blind to this fact, they think the same rules apply to men and women
>As a man, the world expects you to become better and better and better
Nah it doesn't and you are probably too absorbed in a self improvement circle to know this. The world itself only cares that you are capable of surviving and reproducing. Society doesn't give a frick if you sti around being a fat frick, all they want is you producing money. Not even women want a man constantly improving, they merely want a man who has improved himself to the point where he can protect them and their potential family.
No woman has ever met a guy making 600k a year and complained that he isn't trying to improve his standing in life.
Generally speaking if you make six figures and have a house no one is going to pressure you to get to a million except for yourself. There's a point where people start getting uncomfortable if you keep succeeding.
The men who feel depressed and inferior are making $40k/yr, and that's because they are. Your body knows when you're a frickup.
At some point, not considering yourself to be enough indicates a lack of confidence. Modern masculinity is extremely shallow. The drive towards constant improvement toward a goal that no one can quite articulate is foolish, especially in current times when the world is changing and traditional ideas of success become less and less applicable.
Imo you should integrate femininity and masculinity into your personality. The are virtues to both and ultimately balance is what will lead you toward a better life.
The Greeks had this conception of eudaimonia, which was something that was valuable in itself. It was a terminal point whose value was considered implicit. Modern masculinity can border on deranged and masochistic, and often posits that there is no terminal point and that the only desirable action is "forward" toward some unspoken, unformed future. You should reject this and temper your striving with an appreciation for what is.
>Imo you should integrate femininity
Most modern men are too feminine as is. Sedentary lifestyles, lack of father figures, drugs, staying inside, just to name a few current issues. I agree that ideas such as the modern "manosphere" are counterproductive, but it brings up a good point that we as men today are severely lacking in certain areas.
>we as men today are severely lacking in certain areas.
Yea, I definitely agree. It isn't totally one dimensional, and some men implicitly reject the masculine ideal. Actually, I'd say that too much of society rejects the masculine ideal, which I think is what you're getting at.
Paradoxically, what I've found is that reaching an appreciation of masculinity requires integration of a healthy kind of femininity. Not passivity, but acceptance in a more stoic sense. Not weakness, but receptivity to one's own real flaws. Not overindulgence, but self-compassion.
Manosphere ideas are usually very one-sided and neurotic. I sometimes don't blame society for having a negative view of masculinity because of how limited it sometimes comes off. I think it's our duty to present a more balanced view of things.
God damn bro
My psychiatrist said something very similar. Cited that one of the reasons boomers hate their wives but still stay w them is due to a lack in development on their own feminity, so they become codependent of the female counterpart due to an incapacity to create a full sense of self.
Boomers stay with their wives because if they dont they are financially ruined you fricking sped bozo.
The whole "lose everything you ever loved and all the assets you have accumulated thus far in life" thing is a massive deterrent to divorce believe it or not.
a deterrent to marriage too, someone is guaranteed to be able to steal all the suffering and spending of years of my life, and profit from it, and I'm expected to just take it
nah, go frick yourselves, if you want to frick society up that way, good luck
Man, psychiatrists are so full of it. I don't get how anyone could support this scam.
The sad thing is the advice that would get their wife to stop being such a shrew is to be more masculine, not more feminine. Men get complacent and beta in their marriages and that makes their wives resent them. The last thing you should do is get pussy whipped and dominated by your wife.
Acceptance, receptiveness of one's flaws, and self compassion don't necessarily come from femininity, but are facets of a well adjusted, emotionally mature adult. Not disagreeing with anything else you said, though. A lot of these red-pilled, manosphere influencers are simply salesman, but if one is secure enough in TRUE masculinity, you'll be able to think critically about what's actually needed to present a balanced view of things.
The issue that arises is the complacency in being mediocre. While there's nothing wrong with working a low level job as a 4/10, men, in the past at least, have always strived to overcome their present situation and be better. Time moves forward and if you're not actively getting better, you're not stagnating or "fine just the way you are" - you're getting worse.
>why should you improve
Why should you NOT improve? The men that have healthy self worth understand their flaws and work to overcome them and succeed regardless.
I don't particularly disagree with you, though the current mindset of self-acceptance could lead to lower standards for men, women, and society as a whole. Your thoughts?
Same gay and thats a bunch of moronic homosexual bullshit being spouted by a woman.
Why go through all this trouble of pussy footing around and just come out and say it.
>muh toxic masculinity
The greek ideal of kalokagathia is what drives me to exercise. I somewhat regret not taking Greek in high school because studying it autonomously is a drag. At least I took Latin and Philosophy
Shut the frick up gay
>traditional ideas of success become less and less applicable
No.
This. For all the nerds getting triggered about "integrating feminine and masculinity": that is extremely good advice. When you're young as a man you're inherently weak, both physically and mentally. Once you're done with overcompensating that fact in your early 20s you should realise that being able to healthily utilize compassion, sociability and softness into your life is an acceptance of the entire spectrum of human emotions. It has nothing to do with being beta.
TLDR: stop overcompensating just be normal
>compassion, sociability and softness it’s feminine
Stupid fricking Black person homosexuals kys
most stable masculinity chaser
You don't need to "chase" masculinity if you're a man, you just need to embrace. You can "chase" femininity tho, but guess what? It's a useless pursuit because you will never be a woman.
>compassion, sociability
are not 'feminine' traits. This is what decades of feminist propaganda does to men. They grow up thinking that 'cruelty' and 'antisocialness' are masculine traits and that a woman's nature is the opposite. It's why trannies say TERFs or any woman who isn't 100% cool with troons are 'malebrained' because men are the ones who supposed to be mean and intolerant. If a woman acts that way she's displaying toxic masculinity, because toxic femininity apparently doesn't exist.
Take a trip over to Crystal cafe and tell me how compassionate and social those girl are.
When I can beat ten men alone in a fight. Then it'll be enough.
Lotta guns hold 10+1
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Some of that dude's content is bretty gud. I enjoyed his twitter employee gets a real job bit.
That was extremely unfunny
kys
This is why meditation+lifting is the ultimate combo. You can genuinely achieve peace with yourself and the world by getting seriously worked out and sweaty and tired, eating a bunch, and then resting up in a comfortable, aware state.
Too many people think sleep is enough for rest, but with mindfulness you take a moment out to train yourself to be comfortable doing nothing and quietly, calmly observing. In this way, we cultivate equanimity and non-attached presence, and potentially also a sense of companion and warm-heartedness towards our fellow beings. What could be more badass?
>meditation
get out of here with that pseudo science trash.
Google "meditation studies"
Or even better "meditation fitness studies"
Rarely. Usually just
>sit in comfortable position
>focus on breath
>that's it lol
>getting psyopped by the new age shit and avoiding the CBT-like tools
based cuck
>meditation
>a time-tested practice going back several millennia
>pseudo-science
Yep, clearly the solution to focusing one's mind is Adderall, jerking off to porn, and copious amounts of time spent staring at a screen. Everyone before the 21st century had it wrong.
How do you meditate anon? You use any videos?
things like sewing can be meditative. i took it up to repair clothes. now i want to turn it into a hobby.
men like create things
men want to create things
but create thing is hard, so you need to be hard
simple as
So my gym has this chalkboard up on the wall.
If you do a PR for the owner in DL/back squat/ bench press, he'll write your name and number up on the board.
I joined this gym five months ago and saw this motherfricker with a 505 lb bench press (raw, he has a separate board for gear scores). At this time, my bench max was 300 lbs. But I saw that 505 and I thought, "I want to beat that."
In these five months I've trained chest obsessively. I hit 375 last week. I'm coming for that motherfricker and no one will stop me.
Why did I blog post?
Because there's a woman's name up on the squat board. She has a 475 lb squat. I've seen this chick, she's built like a tiny tank. Must be 5'2" or some shit, mid-thirties, impressive shit.
Anyway, I've heard other women look up and see her number and talk about her. They talk about how she probably looks like a dude, takes steroids, cheats. I've even heard one suggest that the number is fake and she fricks the owner.
Women do not typically feel motivate to improve. They feel motivated to destroy. They don't want to rise to a higher level and match someone else - they want to tear down the people around them and bring them to their level.
The women are entirely right and women who are strong like that will fail to produce children properly.
Its paradoxical. You should have a basic sense that you are enough as you are. That even though you are not the best you can be, even though you might not be very good at all by any standards, there should still be a feeling that you are good enough. I don't know why that is, but that is the way it is. At the same time as that is true, you should still strive to improve your self, especially if you are lacking in many areas of your life. This is contradictory because if you are good enough as you are, why should you improve? I don't know. Another perspective is that if you are somewhat put together, you are in school or have a job, doesn't matter if you are blue collar, white collar low,mid highly educated, as long as you got a alright job, you got some friends a social life, you dress reasonably well, you are okayish mentally, not any major things wrong then you are good enough and you'll have a decent life with good things in it life friends, wife, kids, home, vacation, a comfortable life where you can pursue your hobbies and interest within reason. It can even be something very wrong with you and you are still good enough, worthy of human compassion and companionship. Love from friends family, community. You are okay anon, don't be so hard on your self. You don't have to be a 10/10 chad. You are good enough as a 5.1/10 and that is the truth.
The internet and self improvement places are filled with narcissists and broken people that are chasing high achievements because they think that is what they need in order to be loved. These people weren't loved enough by their parents so they didn't develop as healthy sense of self worth, or they where traumatized, bullied or something of that nature. Do not fall for their trap thinking you have to be a 8/10 to even have friends or a girlfriend. The people that lack a basic acceptance that they are a 5/10 and think they should die because of that are people that are sick in their soul.
>narcissists and broken people that are chasing high achievements because they think that is what they need in order to be loved
Or they are just more driven to achieve and be successful than you.
>You should have a basic sense that you are enough as you are
No you shouldn't and you won't until you as yourself are enough as you are. Basically you are saying accept being average, accept stagnation. No, thats awful advice, happiness is setting new goals for yourself and achieving them. Its about progress.
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This is totally true. And what people replying to you dont understand is that without that kernel of self-acceptance you are advocating for, you will stagnate against your will. I can only speak for myself, but I recall a line from Beyond Good and Evil. That the pity of weak men is for what should precicely be fashioned, bruised, forged, stretched, roasted, annealed, refined. Because in man, creature and creator are united. The latter is the sculptor, the hardness of the hammer, the divinity of the spectator, and the seventh day, and former must necessarily be made to suffer. And for a long time this idea laid at the very center of how I thought about myself.
But what you find eventually is that if scuptor cannot appreciate the marble he is working with, he cannot even begin to make progress. If your entire metaphysics is outward looking entirely, and it cannot appreciate what already IS, it implodes on itself.
I think the emphasis on stagnation is a mistake. I reframed things myself away from orientation toward progress for its own sake, and toward appreciation for what already exists for its own sake. What Ive found after empracing these ideas of self acceptance is that something inside of me is overflowing naturally. Progress is almost spontaneous. I strive towards greater things because that is what I already _am_; its in my consistution. I do not force improvement upon myself in an unnatural way.
There's nothing more intoxicating than toxicity. Embracing cruety and agitation toward myself comes easy, I assume its the same for you. What's hard is embracing what you fear the most, which is your own feminimity. You recoil at the idea the same way a basedboy recoils at masculinity asserting itself.
If you really want to put yourself through a psychological gautlet, if you want a real psychic trial, you'll have to face emasculating youself (to repeat - which is probably what you fear most).
Define emasculating yourself and define femininity. It just sounds like your a flaming homosexual who wants talk about pretty purses and trans rights with other men.
Girl motivation is just the signs they put arouhnd Planet Fitness
stagnation = degeneration, its human nature to continuously improve. youre a fool if you think we as a species could create a peaceful utopia and not tear it to pieces out of boredom basically instantly
Shut up homosexual
>men should strive to be more feminine
>attributes a bunch of characteristics that don't belong to women to them
You're gay and moronic, as all pseudo-psychologists are.
>men should always strive to be better because ultimately our role is to be providers
That's not why you should strive to be better, moron. You strive for excellence because that's really the only goal in life actually worth pursuing, you strive to be better because realizing your potential should come before all other things in the world. Woman can't understand this because even at their peak they can't compete with men in anything, but a woman that at least strives for excellence is worth a lot more than one who doesn't, in my eyes. The same obviously applies to men, much more in fact.
Past a certain age, all a man should care about improving is his bank account
>telling the most feminine men in all generations to even more feminine
You're a homosexual and moronic.
I wouldnt give the same advice that I'm giving here to a basedboy.
bunny homosexuals
I'm tired of people telling me I have to live up to some label they put on people who look like me, or have the same genitals as me, or come from the same place as me.
I'm just me bros, and it's all I'm ever gonna be.
>women’s motivation
All the successful women I’ve met have either used men’s or gender-neutral advice.
I’m thoroughly convinced Girl Power and all that other bullshit is a psyop to raise the generation shittiest generation possible