This is even harder than pull-ups if you're using a decent amount of weight. 160lbs on this machine is a helluva lot harder than pull-ups for me and I'm 180lbs.
If you have an assisted pull up machine at your gym I would pick that as a 250 guy at the beginning of his journey I found it best to slowly work my way up pulling more weight with it. The big plus is that it's just as fun as pushups, dips, and real pull ups
Honestly, you're better off not using the seated version, but stealing the bar from that machine and using it while kneeling on the floor. The reason being is that you more actively engage all of your stabilization muscles that keep you from wobbling around when you try to do a REAL pull up.
That's an extremely moronic statement. Both can be made hard if you put enough weight on or do enough reps. You can even do assisted pull ups to help build up with bands or machines.
Wide grip doesn't build muscle better. Just makes the movement harder due to worse leverage. Medium grip is fine. Underhand hits biceps more and let's you move more weight. Do overhand and underhand
There's a lifting tracker app called "strong" they have a repository of these images for just about every workoutmachinemovement I've ever put into it.
>can do 315
The pulley system you're using is taking off weight due to pivot point leverage.
On a 1:1 ratio you would not be able to do that.
So effectively you're probably lifting closer to 240-250 if not lower depending on what system you're using.
To play the devil's advocate you could argue that doing any other form than the standard one is cheating. E.g. doing kneel lat pulldowns. You can use pull-ups (and its variations) to build the whole body legs included. However it's not effective at all at targeting legs and what I really meant was "full upper body lifts". Thanks for correcting me.
I find it hard to feel my lats when doing any kind of row or pull down. Also any example of what I should add to my workout for pull ups if they aren't the main focus? Like they take a lot of effort when i'm fresh.
Was there intended to be a specific argument to this thread? I am a very experienced lifter who can do a clean 135lb chin up, and have repped 8 reps with 100lbs on pullups.
I agree, the leaning back and pelvis position can really help to target in and "connect" with the lats during pulldowns. This is why most advanced bodybuilders use it.
However, I would still say that pullups are superior, especially in the first few years of lifting to gain that initial muscle mass. It's an interesting case where many closed kenetic chain exercises don't produce the same kind of mind muscle connection and pump, and yet they just seem to work much better.
jokes aside
how tf do i build up strengh to do atleast one fricking pullup?
im progressing smoothly on all lifts but pullups and OHP
i dont get how to program or train them both
i tried both lat pulldown machine and assited weight machine and im barely if at all making any progress
are you a fatty losing weight?
being in a cut really affects my OHP
not sure about lat pulldown machine since you're supposed to go for reps with it (anywhere from 15 to 20) and I only keep track of compound shit
IMO, pullups respond to low volume, high intensity. Do a few sets of negatives with your own bodyweight, even just trying to hold the isometric at the top and in the middle for as long as you can. Do this maybe 2-3 times a week for a few sets. I would honestly even recommend adding weight to chin ups even if you can't do 10 clean with just bodyweight.
Overhead pressing is the opposite, I wouldn't train it everyday, same about 2-3 times a week, but when you do train it, build up a large "pyramid base" IE 5 sets of 10 at a lighter weight, and then begin increasing reps.
use weights instead of just doing calisthenics. you will only develop so much muscle using your bodyweight. you need to increase weight to increase mass.
too weak for pullups copelift
Cry more, DYEL.
>why are you booing me? I'm right
Lol, your room temp IQ is showing. Cope more please
My Iq is room temp but there’s a HEAT WAVE outside and i leave the WINDOWS OPEN hahahahhahahahaha
>seething dyel can only max out on his on bodyweight
ngmi
This is even harder than pull-ups if you're using a decent amount of weight. 160lbs on this machine is a helluva lot harder than pull-ups for me and I'm 180lbs.
Weak
>typed the guy with a sub-2pl8 bench
>160lbs lat pulldown is hard
Lmao dyel
He meant for sets of 30 I'm sure.
I can pull down over 300 pounds
I can't do a single pull up
tell me you're bear mode fat without telling me you're fat
not him but I'm bear mode fat and I can do 20 chin ups
any cuck can do chinups but pulls not so much, how many pull ups can you do? I guess i can do 8-10 unweighted and 4x4 with 30 lbs
Hey brah, I don't weight over 300 fricking pounds
Aren't those good to work up until you can pull your own weight?
they are always good and progression is far simpler.
Yes. Ignore the anon. This is literally the best way to work up to it.
Wrong, best way to work up to it is to do negatives.
Yes that's what I've done
If you have an assisted pull up machine at your gym I would pick that as a 250 guy at the beginning of his journey I found it best to slowly work my way up pulling more weight with it. The big plus is that it's just as fun as pushups, dips, and real pull ups
losing weight is more effective
Losing weight doesn't build muscle. You're just taking the pussy way out by lowering the base load rather than building up your muscles.
Honestly, you're better off not using the seated version, but stealing the bar from that machine and using it while kneeling on the floor. The reason being is that you more actively engage all of your stabilization muscles that keep you from wobbling around when you try to do a REAL pull up.
If you are homosexual yes, you can do it this way. Real chads do negatives.
I just used a Assisted pullup machine and a bunch of controlled negatives at home. Worked immediately.
I hate not being able to do pull ups and that push ups are hard to me for some reason
holy FRICK you're LITERALLY me. what are your stats?
I l like them I can do one arm.
Though I guess that's a cope for not being able to do one armed pull ups.
Fpbp. If you can't do 10+ slow pull-ups with perfect form and no knee help you're not fit
>kills your forearms
>Uses Versa Grips
Cry more, griplet
>Doesn't use versa grips when training back
Ngmi
pull ups are harder homosexual
That's an extremely moronic statement. Both can be made hard if you put enough weight on or do enough reps. You can even do assisted pull ups to help build up with bands or machines.
>I should be doing wide grip overhand since I do narrow grip chin ups
>but mid grip underhand is so fun while wide overhand feels like shit
What do?
Your lats are probably underdeveloped, or your biceps are overdeveloped.
Wide grip doesn't build muscle better. Just makes the movement harder due to worse leverage. Medium grip is fine. Underhand hits biceps more and let's you move more weight. Do overhand and underhand
Dumb question, but where do you find these exercise pictures?
Usually find them by searching the workout and "Muscles worked" on images. So this would probably be under "Pull down muscles worked"
There's a lifting tracker app called "strong" they have a repository of these images for just about every workoutmachinemovement I've ever put into it.
Good thread. Frick skellies thinking they're the shit cuz they can do some pull ups. Big whoop, you can pull up on deez nuts
What is the best attachment for this?
I read that the more narrow it gets the more it engages the bicep but all grips are cute and valid
Unathletic machine jockey
>Mogs lat pulldown machine
either this thread is a bait or full of deluded powershitter
anyway, here's a cool pic
I can do 15 pull ups but cant lat pulldown my own weight for reps.
Anyway, a body that can do many pull ups looks way better than a body that can pulldown a lot. You’ll end up having a croissant back
pull ups > pull downs
weighted pull ups>>>>> all back exercises
From the thumbnail I thought this was a large anal insertion
Same
That's the joke 🙂
I can do a 50 kg pullup(110lbs) and I can do the entire stack at the gym for 12 working sets while being quite skinny
your hair is sick man. Good shit
>do 315 4x8 on lat pulldown
>can do one (1) pullup
i am like 230 lbs
what the FRICK brehs
>can do 315
The pulley system you're using is taking off weight due to pivot point leverage.
On a 1:1 ratio you would not be able to do that.
So effectively you're probably lifting closer to 240-250 if not lower depending on what system you're using.
this is why I should buy an industrial spring scale
however having said that I should still be able to crush pullups. could it be psychological?
>itt fatgays and morons who don't realize you can do weighted pull ups
I'm on a mission to rep out the whole stack on this machine. Hopefully I'm able to do this by the end of this summer
>mogs lat pull down and pull ups
Out of all the opinions in this thread, this is truly the worst one
Meme post
You should be doing rows and pullups/pulldowns. It works slightly different muscle groups within the muscles.
What a pointless machine.
My gym has this machine. Should I use this or the regular bar?
Can lat pulldowns do THIS?
Yes, with proper weight and progression. Also probably need to do kneel lat pulldowns too and switch up grip as needed.
I fricking love those hidden full body lifts parading lat exercises.
Pull ups are not full body. If you're using your lower body at all you're not doing proper form and cheating with leg drive.
To play the devil's advocate you could argue that doing any other form than the standard one is cheating. E.g. doing kneel lat pulldowns. You can use pull-ups (and its variations) to build the whole body legs included. However it's not effective at all at targeting legs and what I really meant was "full upper body lifts". Thanks for correcting me.
weird how he has no lats
>weighted chin ups on you door frame
His door must be fricked
I find it hard to feel my lats when doing any kind of row or pull down. Also any example of what I should add to my workout for pull ups if they aren't the main focus? Like they take a lot of effort when i'm fresh.
straight arm pulldowns
ty
who's this guy? he looks cool beans but yandex turns out nothing
Was there intended to be a specific argument to this thread? I am a very experienced lifter who can do a clean 135lb chin up, and have repped 8 reps with 100lbs on pullups.
I agree, the leaning back and pelvis position can really help to target in and "connect" with the lats during pulldowns. This is why most advanced bodybuilders use it.
However, I would still say that pullups are superior, especially in the first few years of lifting to gain that initial muscle mass. It's an interesting case where many closed kenetic chain exercises don't produce the same kind of mind muscle connection and pump, and yet they just seem to work much better.
jokes aside
how tf do i build up strengh to do atleast one fricking pullup?
im progressing smoothly on all lifts but pullups and OHP
i dont get how to program or train them both
i tried both lat pulldown machine and assited weight machine and im barely if at all making any progress
are you a fatty losing weight?
being in a cut really affects my OHP
not sure about lat pulldown machine since you're supposed to go for reps with it (anywhere from 15 to 20) and I only keep track of compound shit
IMO, pullups respond to low volume, high intensity. Do a few sets of negatives with your own bodyweight, even just trying to hold the isometric at the top and in the middle for as long as you can. Do this maybe 2-3 times a week for a few sets. I would honestly even recommend adding weight to chin ups even if you can't do 10 clean with just bodyweight.
Overhead pressing is the opposite, I wouldn't train it everyday, same about 2-3 times a week, but when you do train it, build up a large "pyramid base" IE 5 sets of 10 at a lighter weight, and then begin increasing reps.
Have a friend hold your feet and do assisted pull-ups until you develop man strength
Got my first arnie-tier pump with it today. Based beyond belief.
Gymcell cope. Home gym master race don’t need no fancy pull down bars.
10/10 better than pull-ups for lats. Pull-ups are a better strength developer though.
No
Someone, for the love of god, just tell me how to get big lats.
Pull downs and pull ups. Eat enough sleep enough.
I can do 20 and have no lats. It's genetics. Sorry.
>I can do 20 and have no lats. It's genetics. Sorry.
but can you do 40? 30? 25?
NGMI
use weights instead of just doing calisthenics. you will only develop so much muscle using your bodyweight. you need to increase weight to increase mass.
do reverse flys with dumbbells' and gain your wings