muscle density

>is muscle density even real thing?
>can i gain weight while staying relatively same in volume or size? weight not being fat or water obviously.
do i strength train? or do i do whatever sandow did? anyone have done anything like this

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    pic obviously very related

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at how armwrestlers destroy bodybuilders.
    It's technically tendon and connective strength, motor unit recruitment not "muscle density" though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah i know that, but what if i wanna gain weight without getting bigger volume wise. i wanna be heavier but dont wanna get buffer. i know i could train mid back so its less visible? and rear legs but they can only gain so much

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      True but there also is muscle density.
      When you take creatine your muscles get a bit bigger because they have more water in them, which makes them lower density.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >is muscle density even real thing?
        it's irrelevant
        >can i gain weight while staying relatively same in volume or size?
        no, this is moronic unless you're talking about building muscle while losing fat, and that's only less moronic

        The formula for muscle strength is simple. It's:
        (AUC force generation) = (lever arm coefficient/moment arm) * ((contracted muscle muscle belly max cross-sectional area) / (extended length - contracted length))

        by using area under the curve, we correct for muscle fiber type. You could even calculate fiber type by using peak force generation across a maximal effort contraction.

        There's no "muscle density" at play unless you have some kind of bizarre physical condition where you have intra-sarcomere fat deposits like an 80-year old.

        >When you take creatine your muscles get a bit bigger because they have more water in them, which makes them lower density.
        that actually makes your muscles stronger

        https://i.imgur.com/M9AaOST.png

        Similarly, pro rock climbers really care about "muscle density" because they want have a really good strength to weight ratio.
        When you watch random interview clips of olympic rock climbers they often hint that their training focuses on gaining the LEAST amount of muscle mass while maintaining strength. It really makes me wonder exactly what their trainers are getting them to do, and probably how the general public will never know.
        muscle size/appearance =/= strength. a lot of it is genetic, too.

        >muscle size/appearance =/= strength. a lot of it is genetic, too.
        you're moronic with the exception of "it's genetic"
        TDF cyclists are small as frick as well, because every ounce of weight that they have to carry uphill sucks ass and will gas them out. TDF sprinters and velodrome cyclists are huge and probably squat more than anyone on this board because generating power actually matters there

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Which sports are the best for male aesthetics? How about female aesthetics?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arm wrestling uses a specific group of forearm muscles that arent all that big even when fully developed but makes a huge difference in your strength on the table.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Similarly, pro rock climbers really care about "muscle density" because they want have a really good strength to weight ratio.
      When you watch random interview clips of olympic rock climbers they often hint that their training focuses on gaining the LEAST amount of muscle mass while maintaining strength. It really makes me wonder exactly what their trainers are getting them to do, and probably how the general public will never know.
      muscle size/appearance =/= strength. a lot of it is genetic, too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are light as frick though. OP is a weird autist who just wants to gain weight.

        yeah i know that, but what if i wanna gain weight without getting bigger volume wise. i wanna be heavier but dont wanna get buffer. i know i could train mid back so its less visible? and rear legs but they can only gain so much

        >what if i wanna gain weight without getting bigger volume wise. i wanna be heavier but dont wanna get buffer.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The easy answer is that rock climbers are weak. Refer to that Magnus guy doing an lmao3pl8 deadlift as if that's impressive. You don't need massive lats to pull 120lbs of bodyweight around, the only muscles that rock climbers actually need to overdevelop compared to other kinds of athletes are the flexor muscles in your forearm, which are very small and won't give them extra mass so that's the only way in which rock climbers are actually strong.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Leg strength isn't the only strength. Magnus has great grip strength and back strength.

          Adam Ondra, who is actually the best climber in the world, is frickweak. Incredibly puny, it's just that as long as your fingers are strong everything else doesn't matter in climbing. You can have a 120kg curl and 200kg row, if your fingers are weak you're nothing in climbing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, as I said, the only area in which rock climbers are actually strong is grip strength, which doesn't require huge amounts of muscle mass. That's what people don't seem to understand. Strength correlates a lot with size, rock climbers are weak overall and have small muscles, except for their grip muscles which are strong and bigger than average.

            That same "weak" dude can also do a pullup with over 100 pounds hanging from his waist.

            For a total of 250lbs... You don't need huge lats for that, that's the point.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That same "weak" dude can also do a pullup with over 100 pounds hanging from his waist.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Considering he has never deadlifted before and instantly jumping to a comfortable 2x his body weight is pretty good. Also: rock climber endurance.

          see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJ7jPb1gCI&ab_channel=LarryWheels

          Leg strength isn't the only strength. Magnus has great grip strength and back strength.

          Adam Ondra, who is actually the best climber in the world, is frickweak. Incredibly puny, it's just that as long as your fingers are strong everything else doesn't matter in climbing. You can have a 120kg curl and 200kg row, if your fingers are weak you're nothing in climbing.

          this is true. adam ondra is surprisingly "weak," but his endurance is fricking insane.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>can i gain weight while staying relatively same in volume or size? weight not being fat or water obviously.
    Yeah you can. I started at 195 two years ago, and ended up at 220, had a gut but then cut down to 210, and now I sit at 205-209~. Just been on a slow bulk for the past couple years, gained weight but I don't look much different except I really filled out my frame and have big arms and legs. I have some pictures from when I was 150 in 2021, 190-195 before I started lifting, and now - I look closer to how I did in the 150 pictures except with my frame filled out instead of auschwitz mode. I hope all this makes sense.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      did you strength train or high volume? that sounds hopeful

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>can i gain weight while staying relatively same in volume or size? weight not being fat or water obviously.
        Yeah you can. I started at 195 two years ago, and ended up at 220, had a gut but then cut down to 210, and now I sit at 205-209~. Just been on a slow bulk for the past couple years, gained weight but I don't look much different except I really filled out my frame and have big arms and legs. I have some pictures from when I was 150 in 2021, 190-195 before I started lifting, and now - I look closer to how I did in the 150 pictures except with my frame filled out instead of auschwitz mode. I hope all this makes sense.

        also i assume your muscles dont feel very jiggly right? if that makes sense kek

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've pretty much done 8-12 week blocks of strength training & "hypertrophy" for the last two years. I've ran Starting Strength, reddit PPL, Texas Method (Twice in a row), 5/3/1 bbb, Bromley's 70's powerlifter, and blocks of my own brosplits. I like the built/strong look.

        [...]
        also i assume your muscles dont feel very jiggly right? if that makes sense kek

        >jiggly
        Nah I mean I don't think so. I don't jiggle when I walk or anything lmfao.
        Here's a pic I took a lil while ago with a pump in the gym. I'm not huge or anything but I think it's reasonable to look about as big as I am lifting pretty casually at my height and weight for the last couple of years, natty.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          u forgot pic man post if u dont mind please

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          u forgot pic man post if u dont mind please

          woops, lost my pic. I'm like 206 in this pic. I'd probably look better if i lost 10 pounds.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hop of the seat and go jerk off to yourself in the bathroom gay

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              maybe i will :3

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                be sure to say no homosexual first bro

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Broadly speaking, yes muscle density is a thing that affects strength. The prime example is gorillas/chimps. They have muscle 4x denser than humans and its very obvious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They have muscle 4x denser than humans
      Src: ass

      >and its very obvious.
      Maybe if you're a low IQ moron. Obviously the chimp in your webm is faster due to having longer arms and being upper body dominant (less overall mass but comparable upper body muscle).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do like 5 seconds of research instead of being an obtuse Black person who has no idea what (You) are talking about, how about that?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >some made up absurd claims about strength
          great source
          >bone density
          Changing goalposts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prove me wrong then. Post something, anything that proves me wrong. I've posted my claim with evidence to back it up. You have done nothing other than say "BULLSHIT". So, defend your stance like I've defended mine, that's how discussions work.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Black person, all you posted were some bullshit popscience articles. Idgaf about this monkey strength biologist types obsess over, a 120lbs chimp isn't stronger than a 220 lbs human. Get over it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >120lbs chimp isn't stronger than a 220 lbs human
                boy we got newbie over here

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ObIpsiT.jpg

      Do like 5 seconds of research instead of being an obtuse Black person who has no idea what (You) are talking about, how about that?

      >some made up absurd claims about strength
      great source
      >bone density
      Changing goalposts

      >moron interprets w/v proportion as muscle density
      you buffoon, gorillas have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass on average, that is what is meant by "muscle density."
      You cannot pack more sarcomeres in a given three dimensional space than another person, otherwise you'd be seeing middleweight boxers that look like featherweight boxers, knocking out heavyweights.

      Which sports are the best for male aesthetics? How about female aesthetics?

      that's incredibly subjective
      for male aesthetics from a male perspective, probably oly or velodrome racing
      for male aesthetics from a female perspective, probably rowing, swimming, or MTB
      for female aesthetics from a male perspective, probably sprint/velodrome cycling or tennis
      for female aesthetics from a female perspective, something fricking stupid like hiking

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