My research on nutrition and trial and error experimentation has led me to the following conclusions:. 1.

My research on nutrition and trial and error experimentation has led me to the following conclusions:

1. You need to eat meat for the micros, especially iron and b12, and for the bioavailable protein. Eggs are also good.

2. You need to eat leafy greens for the vitamin K, and some of them also have vitamin C, oranges are also good for C. Also a good source of several other micros, but not a good source of iron, the iron in eg. spinach is not bioavailable at all.

3. Carbs are generally good, even sugar so long as its from a natural source, not HFCS stuff. They make your metabolism work better and help with muscle recovery. It's better to get more calories from carbs than fat, though it is important to get some essential fats every day from meat, eggs, milk, olive oil, etc. just don't overdo it.

4. Seed oils are genuinely poison. This one isn't a meme. Don't eat any for a week and then have a sandwich with canola-oil containing mayonnaise and notice how incredibly thirsty you get for like an hour after. Your body is literally requiring tons of water just to process whatever that shit is in your organs. It can also make your heart feel weird.

5. Your body literally tells you what it needs. When you need protein chicken breast tastes amazing. When you need vitamin C you really want an orange. etc.

6. Fasting for a day or two on rest days with adequate salt and water intake is a great way to start a cut. It kind of jumpstarts the fat burning mode for you.

7. It appears to be very hard to get enough vitamin E without eating almonds all the time. I don't know if this actually is a problem for people or not, but it's certainly a bit strange that 99% of diets cause Vitamin E deficiency to some degree.

8. Apart from these things it doesn't really matter that much what else you eat. You can fill up remaining micros and macros with whatever, most of them are easy to find.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    tdlr

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      tl dr is that im trans, forgot to mention that

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    pretty based takes.

    HFCS is not an issue though. in the past there were impurities in the processing of HFCS which caused raw starch to remain in the end product, which was toxic. this has been corrected over the years. it's interchangeable with table sugar at this point.

    and for Vit. E, there is actual research papers published on how your intake of fats, specifically PUFA, changes your requirement of E. the more unsaturated the fat, the higher your requirements for E become. for example, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594047/
    as well as other research regarding similar lines of thought. the more unsaturated a fat is the worse it is for you. for example https://escholarship.org/uc/item/7236r3t7 or the video version https://youtu.be/nGv4JZB2yws?si=e9z9l37TbyanpX2n
    another interesting talk from him https://youtu.be/3N_GG9FkyaM?si=-OTlTamI3Yy_42f7

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's interesting about the vitamin E. I am not sure about the HFCS thing though, I do not feel right if I consume like a pop drink, compared to the sugar in fruit, honey, milk, etc. It could be something else I suppose in the drink

      do you have any points you think I missed about nutrition?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        well if you want me to address everything...

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        My research on nutrition and trial and error experimentation has led me to the following conclusions:

        1. You need to eat meat for the micros, especially iron and b12, and for the bioavailable protein. Eggs are also good.

        2. You need to eat leafy greens for the vitamin K, and some of them also have vitamin C, oranges are also good for C. Also a good source of several other micros, but not a good source of iron, the iron in eg. spinach is not bioavailable at all.

        3. Carbs are generally good, even sugar so long as its from a natural source, not HFCS stuff. They make your metabolism work better and help with muscle recovery. It's better to get more calories from carbs than fat, though it is important to get some essential fats every day from meat, eggs, milk, olive oil, etc. just don't overdo it.

        4. Seed oils are genuinely poison. This one isn't a meme. Don't eat any for a week and then have a sandwich with canola-oil containing mayonnaise and notice how incredibly thirsty you get for like an hour after. Your body is literally requiring tons of water just to process whatever that shit is in your organs. It can also make your heart feel weird.

        5. Your body literally tells you what it needs. When you need protein chicken breast tastes amazing. When you need vitamin C you really want an orange. etc.

        6. Fasting for a day or two on rest days with adequate salt and water intake is a great way to start a cut. It kind of jumpstarts the fat burning mode for you.

        7. It appears to be very hard to get enough vitamin E without eating almonds all the time. I don't know if this actually is a problem for people or not, but it's certainly a bit strange that 99% of diets cause Vitamin E deficiency to some degree.

        8. Apart from these things it doesn't really matter that much what else you eat. You can fill up remaining micros and macros with whatever, most of them are easy to find.

        >1
        iron isn't the reason to eat meat, but yes b12 is definitely a reason to. also has to do with protein and fat.
        >2
        I don't know if greens are worth it. if you can stomach it, steaming or boiling them then drinking the water gets you all the nutrients they could have without the negatives of eating them. this is good for magnesium supplements for example.
        I haven't researched too much on the bioavailability and transferability of K1 to K2. K1 is what's in plants, K2 is in fermented foods and is the important one. I just eat ~1 oz of cheese a day. the more aged it is the higher the K2 should be. white cheddar is my go-to. white cheeses aren't dyed.
        I drink OJ daily. not only vitamin C, but naringin is a cool nutrient. when I used to eat kiwis I would eat the skin. I'm an animal.
        fruit is good though.
        >3
        already addressed the hfcs bit. my only source of it is coca cola, so maybe there's something about it from other sources that it's worse but in the coke blend it's fine.
        >4
        true. reference my first post about unsaturated fats.
        >5
        true. but it's hard to tell what your body is asking for sometimes.
        >6
        I've done lots of fasting experimentation. I think it's very bad, but can serve as a tool for somebody that is obese. I'm far from obese.
        >7
        already addressed E. you'll also notice that most high sources of E are also high in PUFA. you can try bell peppers and spinach as low PUFA sources of E.
        >8
        mostly true. nutritation is very nuanced are there are situations where most things are appropriate but a great general recommendation to start people I think is low PUFA. or even carnivore, but if they do carnivore stress they should add things back in and pay attention to how it makes them feel. this can be hard for some people to accurately gauge their body.

        calcium is very important too. protein, calcium, high carb, ruminant meat and/or milk. great base for a diet.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >iron isn't the reason to eat meat, but yes b12 is definitely a reason to. also has to do with protein and fat.
          Where else do you get iron?

          >steaming or boiling them then drinking the water gets you all the nutrients they could have without the negatives of eating them. this is good for magnesium supplements for example.
          That's definitely interesting, I will try it.

          >I've done lots of fasting experimentation. I think it's very bad, but can serve as a tool for somebody that is obese. I'm far from obese.
          Even for 1-2 day fasts just to start a cut? I always find it kind of cleansing to do that. I've never been close to obese either

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not so sure iron is a nutrient of concern, and most people have too much of it. this is possibly why greater health outcomes are observed in people who donate blood regularly, from a reduced iron level. anemia is caused by something else but a symptom is low iron.

            I used to have perfect digestion. fasting and carnivore really fricked it all up for me. try keeping your liver stocked with glucose (something high fructose, like orange juice) and see how that goes for you. liver is a key regulator in stuff like gluconeogenesis. your body likes sugar so much it will cannibalize muscle before getting into fat to make ketones. a reason some people see so much success on carnivore is the obscene amount of protein they eat to fuel gluconeogenesis.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meat provides enough vitamin C if you eat little sugar or carbs. I never crave fruit or leaves I just eat meat dairy and eggs. Eggs and dairy have K2 leaves have K1 you can't use well if at all

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Please elaborate on this

      Every source I see says that there is no C at all in meat. I know eggs have K2 m4 but they don't have K1, are you saying K1 is worse or unnecessary?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not op but vitamin c is more about freshness of the food because it's water soluble, raw meat has vitamin c in the animal form, dhaa. This is the same deal with vitamin k, vitamins in plants get released in the colon where bacteria turn the plant form into animal form, logically speaking if you eat the animals which release animal forms of vitamins in their digestive system to absorb in their body then you will get those nutrients. It can depend on the feed of the animal of course.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >raw meat has vitamin c in the animal form, dhaa.
          Only raw though? And does it have to be fresh? I mean don't know if it's viable to be eating fresh raw meat all the time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure if it needs to be fresh, I reckon it doesn't, as long as it still has it's water content. I'm pretty sure cooking destroys most of the vitamin c though because it's water soluble.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      (you)

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Your body literally tells you what it needs.
    This assumes your body isn't fricked up. If you are a giant lardass, your body will most definitely not tell you what it needs. It will tell you what it wants based on your addictions.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's very true. I mean when you're in a more harmonious state your body tells you that stuff. If you have fricked up psychology or hormones or whatever you will probably be running off of dopamine spikes and anxiety to guide your eating rather than actually listening to what your body needs.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >eating almonds all the time.
    You are activating your almonds right?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating 4 eggs a day gives you all the B12 you need. 200g of black/beluga lentils a day will also give you all of the iron you need.

    I still eat meat from time to time because nothing beats the taste of a steak, but I've noticed that my physical performance degrades when I eat meat.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >iron and b12
    Both plentiful in vegetables. You can get more than the daily recommended dose of both without eating meat or using supplements.
    >2.
    You can get all of that from organs without any issue. Don't need to eat vegetables or fruits for those.

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