>Natty. >Don't fast. >Don't do keto or other meme diets. >Eat tons of "estrogenic" foods

>Natty
>Don't fast
>Don't do keto or other meme diets
>Eat tons of "estrogenic" foods
All of ISTs broscience bullshit is a waste of time and money. Pic rel was my blood test results from last week.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Do you roid?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, I'm natty

      >>Eat tons of "estrogenic" foods
      such as?

      Onions, occasionally beer, tofu

      how many times do we have to tell you that medical tests are all shams.

      b8

      I think you’re misunderstanding something. Fasting and keto/carnivore kill your test. Eating a normal diet with fairly high carbohydrates and exercising a bit is how you get high test.

      This is what I do. I eat a variety of little to no highly processed foods, and just do CICO.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What is your cardio?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Also your BF%. As we all know, fat literally turns testosterone into estrogen. So your BF must be decently low.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            17-22%

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              type 1 beetus?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Good eye.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Good eye.

                Wtf?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Look at the patch on his right arm in the mirror. Near his waist in the reflection.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              seems like evidence that serum T levels don't necessarily mean anything

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I said in another post I've been lifting for a year inconsistently. for at least half of that year I was eating shit processed foods. Gains are suboptimal but with consistency and eating a lot less shit food I hope to see better gainz.

                no you dont, endurance cardio is stressful enough that it lowers testosterone by increasing cortisol
                it puts you into ketosis by draining your glycogen stores so that your body is forced to burn whatever it can for energy and it prefers to burn amino acids/protein (mainly from muscle)
                so you can imagine this is counter productive for gains but also its very rough on the kidneys bc burning amino acids creates ammonia, which the kidneys have to filter from the blood
                marathon runners create so much ammonia from this process that at the end of a marathon, 90% of runners are suffering from acute kidney failure (which they recover from, but kidney failure is horrible no matter how you spin it)

                so dont do intense cardio for any period that can be categorised as "endurance"
                walking is the perfect intensity and walking an hour a day is really all a man needs
                short duration cardio is also okay, like sprints or interval rowing, but again, it shouldnt be stressful and you shouldnt drain your glycogen and shouldnt be relying on lactic acid fermentation

                I walk around 1-2 miles 4 days a week due to job so hopefully I'm good there. I mainly just want to maximize heart health.

                weed and soi dropping test are not memes and youd be even better off without them
                weed is well documented to cause gyno in some people and it does so by counteracting progesterone, which in turn increases estrogen signalling
                just bc youre "good enough" for now doesnt mean you wont become more sensitive to these in the future

                I get blood work every 3 months. Until I see any negative changes, I'm gonna continue eating soi and vaping.

                https://i.imgur.com/vvc3IiJ.jpg

                >Eat healthy
                >workout for ten years
                >Bad sleep and work nightshift for a year
                >350 ng/dl

                The one thing I do really well is sleeping on a consistent timeframe and getting 6-7 hours a night minimum. Maybe that's helped quite a bit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                thank you for reminding me to stay away from the onions and cut back on the beer. it really seems to make a difference

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Until I see any negative changes, I'm gonna continue eating soi and vaping.
                You're never gonna make it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mog you in both physique and test levels

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              lmao you have fricking diabeetus stfu genetic reject
              you aint natty either you inject exogenous insulin daily, being natty would literally kill you lmao fricking moron

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          None, I just lift. I do need to change that honestly.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            no you dont, endurance cardio is stressful enough that it lowers testosterone by increasing cortisol
            it puts you into ketosis by draining your glycogen stores so that your body is forced to burn whatever it can for energy and it prefers to burn amino acids/protein (mainly from muscle)
            so you can imagine this is counter productive for gains but also its very rough on the kidneys bc burning amino acids creates ammonia, which the kidneys have to filter from the blood
            marathon runners create so much ammonia from this process that at the end of a marathon, 90% of runners are suffering from acute kidney failure (which they recover from, but kidney failure is horrible no matter how you spin it)

            so dont do intense cardio for any period that can be categorised as "endurance"
            walking is the perfect intensity and walking an hour a day is really all a man needs
            short duration cardio is also okay, like sprints or interval rowing, but again, it shouldnt be stressful and you shouldnt drain your glycogen and shouldnt be relying on lactic acid fermentation

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >b8
        what booster are you on

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        idk who told you to eat soi moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        brotip: $0`/ is actually an estrogenic antagonist, meaning that it stops the action of estrogen. morons here stopped at the word 'estrogen' and declared their work done.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This. Phytoestrogens are weaker than endogenous estrogen, which it blocks from reaching the receptors. They are natural SERMs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >and just do CICO
        All the memes here are supposed to help you with achieving the Zen state of CICO. Any road that leads to CICO is proper and sufficient, chances are you are laid back, and your parents had given you a solid foundation, thats plenty enough already

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>Eat tons of "estrogenic" foods
    such as?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      $0 y I'm guessing.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's your secret champ

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how many times do we have to tell you that medical tests are all shams.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think you’re misunderstanding something. Fasting and keto/carnivore kill your test. Eating a normal diet with fairly high carbohydrates and exercising a bit is how you get high test.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cool, yet in reality it's the exact opposite. Your opinion is still valid, just like your pretend gender, soijak, I mean, soijill.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        brotip: $0`/ is actually an estrogenic antagonist, meaning that it stops the action of estrogen. morons here stopped at the word 'estrogen' and declared their work done.

        >$0`/
        The state of this board

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thats why vegans have higher test than meat eaters right

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What do you look like? All that T won't do anything if it has nothing to bind to.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nvm, I hope you are only 6 months trained or else that T is doing nothing for you.

      https://i.imgur.com/kHQu5Ei.jpg

      17-22%

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm a year in, but I skip workouts a lot and I have been very inconsistent. I decided a month ago I was gonna start taking lifting seriously and haven't missed since though, hopefully the next 6 months will show better progress. I'll post results in /CBT/ when its time.

        I also forgot to mention I smoke weed, another apparently "test dropping" substance according to ISTgays

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >smoke weed
          does this effect your blood sugar? have always been curious

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, unless I lose discipline and succumb to munchies. It does briefly drop my blood pressure though.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          weed and soi dropping test are not memes and youd be even better off without them
          weed is well documented to cause gyno in some people and it does so by counteracting progesterone, which in turn increases estrogen signalling
          just bc youre "good enough" for now doesnt mean you wont become more sensitive to these in the future

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've lived a sedentary lifestyle, never worked out or did any sports, was essentially bouncing between skinnyfat and chubbyfat all my life, ate nothing but garbage poor people processed food and my testosterone was ~800ng/dL at age 25 around 3 years ago (I even intentionally didn't sleep and jacked off like 4 times before the test because I was hoping that my t would be extremely low and I could get a prescription)

    T levels are almost purely genetic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Seems to be that way. I am in no way at peak physical health, but my T levels are still high.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Also I used to be severely deficient in vitamin D, this is before and after I started daily multivitamin supplements

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What are the other meme diets?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Carnivore
      Vegan
      Paleo

      Basically any diet that requires you to eliminate an entire food group and/or macronutrient.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      anything with a name is a meme, easy filter

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the no-proper-noun diet? Catchy

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Eat healthy
    >workout for ten years
    >Bad sleep and work nightshift for a year
    >350 ng/dl

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    An estrogen is just a description of a predominate molecular structure, like an alkaloid or a ketone or a benzine ring. Not everything that is an estrogen is related to sexual dimorphism. That said, be well aware of what you are putting into your body.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Important truths that most of this board will mock or ignore.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/rXlgEAm.jpg

        An estrogen is just a description of a predominate molecular structure, like an alkaloid or a ketone or a benzine ring. Not everything that is an estrogen is related to sexual dimorphism. That said, be well aware of what you are putting into your body.

        im not trusting anons with troony looking anime picrels

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's hard for people to break with their insecurities

        I mog you in both physique and test levels

        so just enjoy watching them document their failures and frustration.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Based actual health and fitness enjoyer. How old are you?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      29

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nice! I'm only 770, but I'm also 38 so I'm happy with that

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    do you jack off a lot?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Once every 2 days

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i dont know my t levels and im afraid to do so

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I got a 900 months ago and it was while I was hardly working out and sedentary most the day, tho I ate relatively healthy I was drinking 3 beers a night

    24 6'0 dyel natty. Its basically genetic. If I got all my shit dialed in I bet I'd go over 1000

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    well what's your secret

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I eat a lot of fruits and veggies, and unprocessed meats. I sleep 6-7 hours a night at the same time every night, and I have a low stress job. Testosterone levels can be helped by lifestyle factors but a big portion is unfortunately genetic.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ng(mi)/d(ye)L
    Interesting.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    total test is meaningless without shbg and free test

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