Natty Lifting is a meme

That's it.
It has been 2 years of consistent weight training and calisthenics I have slaved through with no results. I did SS for about the first 3 months and a mild bulk to start and then started making my own program with cardio and calisthenics implemented. I admittedly programmed like a retard to start but by about 6 months or so my program became pretty dialed in (hitting each muscle 2x per week minimum, varying rep ranges, compounds and isolations, etc.). I have gotten only slightly stronger since ending SS but I literally have not visually improved at all. I wish I would have taken progress pictures but it wouldn't matter anyway because there is no fucking progress.

tldr natty lifting is 100% a meme if you have bad genetics or didn't stay active in sports during your adolescence. I will be starting a cycle soon

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AND before you gays say anything about my diet I have been counting calories for close to 6 months and before that I tried all the fucking memes (fasting, keto, CICO) and none of that shit has impacted my progress other than fasting making me feel like dying and wanting to skip workouts. I have missed maybe 2 weeks tops in the past two years and have obsessed over my programming and nutrition autistically thinking something would click but nothing did. Do not fall for natty fucking lifting - do not fucking fall for it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're likely eat too little calories with wayy too much protein

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my program became pretty dialed in
      >no results
      definitely anon, youre doing great

      >fasting, keto, CICO
      wait are you a fatty trying to lose weight or a normal trying to gain muscle, Im confused

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not man. I was a gamer in my childhood and teens but I've been making decent gains just with calisthenics. I train to failure on every set and it's working
    Do you go to failure on your lifts or close to? I really belive that's the key to gains

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Behold, 2 years of natty lifting progress.
      The before pic is closer to maybe 4 or more years ago but you get the fucking point. I would argue I look worse.

      Yes I have experimented a lot and recently I have been taking at least one set to failure per session.

      How much weight did you put on?

      I have put on probably around 20ish pounds if I had to guess but I dont remember much what I used to weigh. Right now I am 6 foot 1 and 185 lbs.

      https://i.imgur.com/AZ80MUr.jpg

      July 2021-july 2022

      Ur not supposed to do SS, that's a meme. I don't even count my reps and do whatever workout I feel like, I just make sure I go EVERYDAY

      Also don't do calisthenics they are 1000 percent pointless.

      Also don't have shit genetics ye..

      yeah SS might have fucked me but I didn't do it for that long. I autistically prioritized compounds for too long after that though, probably.

      >I have gotten only slightly stronger since ending SS
      what lifts did you end with on SS and what are they now?

      I don't have it recorded exactly but I know I never deadlifted 225 on SS and the last time I deadlifted I did 255 for 6 reps. Squat I probably finished around 155 for 5 and am probably around 215 for 5 now. I bench maybe 170 for 5 where as I used to bench 135 ish. I dont squat or deadlift anymore.

      Your programming, diet, sleep, or lifts are off.

      Dont just move weight from A to B, you need to engage the muscles and get a solid contraction.

      Soreness or the pump is a sign youre hitting the right muscles.

      I do 5x5 ice cream fitness and throw in incline dumbell bench, facepulls, calf raises and lots of pushups and pullups and ive made mad gainz. The trick is to go slow and perfect your lifts, get your form and engagement down.

      If u dont feel it in ur muscles they wont grow.

      ICE CREAM FITNESS:

      Add 1kg for upper body,
      Add 2kg for lower body

      Workout A

      Squats (5x5)
      Bench Press (5c5)
      Barbell Row (55)
      Barbell Shrugs (3x8)
      Tricep Extensions (3x8)
      Barbell Curls (3x8)
      Hyperextensions (2x10)
      Cable Crunches (3x10)

      Workout B

      Squats (5x5)
      Deadlift (1x5)
      Overhead Press (5x5)
      Barbell Row (5x5: 10% lighter than Workout A)
      Close Grip Bench Press (3x8)
      Barbell Curls (3x8)
      Cable Crunches (3x10)

      Or

      A:
      Squat
      Horizontal push
      Horizontal pull
      Tricep isolation
      Deadlift accessory
      Lateral delt isolation
      Abs

      B:
      Deadlift
      Vertical push
      Vertical pull
      Bicep isolation
      Squat accessory
      Rear delt isolation
      Abs

      I change my programming around frequently to keep variety but I will post the program I have been running the past 3 months in a second. I sleep 9-10 hours most nights and eat a lot of food.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        pic rel is the program I have been running with some variation for the last 3 months. I rest for around 2 - 3 minutes on compounds and about 1-1:30 minutes on isolation movements. I will typically take at least one set to complete muscular failure on push or pull days and have certainly improved my ability to perform the movements - but I am literally dyel (see )
        BEFORE you say it I have tried full body 3 times a week, bro splits, upper lower, I have fucking tried it all. Natty lifting may work for some but for many including myself it is a meme. I will be pursuing steroids soon.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          FUCK I forgot pic
          also wanted to add that I am supplementing a daily vitamin, whey protein, creatine and I eat a very balanced diet and likely have no deficiencies.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Natty lifting is about getting stronger. You will add muscle when you put more weight on the bar.
            You have so much garbage in your routine that unless you're doing 1x5 per exercise you're just doing junk.
            Squat 3x per week
            Bench 2x per week with 1x incline / press
            Row / Chin 3x week
            Deadlift 1-2x per week
            Accessories = Abs / Curls / Lat Raises / Tricep push downs
            Show me a squat that goes from 225 --> 365 and show me legs that don't grow.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >squat 3x per week
              I have done this and I saw more strength gains in terms of my squat but I would actually say my legs are the most physically changed part of my body that looks better which you can't see in the pic. My legs have responded better to front squats.
              >bench 2x per week with incline/press
              thats literally in my program
              >deadlift 1-2 week
              I deadlifted for over a year and realized it is not a good movement for me but I don't think its bad overall.
              >accessories
              I do all of those things and its literally written in the program. You didn't read what is there

              https://i.imgur.com/96Qd5hT.png

              You think roids will change you? Clearly, you are just another zoomer that watches too much tiktok.

              The fact you are doing roider BB workouts while natty alone is the fact you aren't seeing gains but weights still go up. Cut it back to 3-4 day or at least 5 days, go on an actual diet (no where do you talk about your daily protein intake, which is large factor of diet) and go pay a PT for a couple visits because you clearly are lifting wrong.

              A pt is 1/10th the cost of a proper cycle anyways. Plus, if you are still this retarded and decided to roid, I doubt you'll see much progress and the little you do see will go away after cycle.

              lol I love hearing people who do not know me tell me I am lifting wrong. I am not low IQ, I have been lifting for 2 years and have learned a lot over that time and have definitely made improvements in terms of specific movements but my point is that for a portion of people natty lifting in hopes of achieving a great physique is a meme. I have been successful in many other difficult arenas of life so I know what type of hard work and dedication it takes to achieve things, but I also know when I am beat.

              • 2 months ago
                Sage

                >the cope
                I'm sure you are very successful @ 23 and not retarded, that's why you are on this site.
                Hell your arrogance alone is cancer. KYS OP

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not trying to be arrogant just trying to make a point that I'm not some complete failure who doesn't know how to apply himself to anything. I have applied myself wholeheartedly to health and fitness especially in the past year.

                Regardless, the point I want to make is I have actually tried everything. I have ran through all conventional wisdom to no avail and realize what I should have accepted a long time ago - natty lifting is a meme. I have hundreds of videos of me doing sets to check my form, I have good mind muscle connection, I have experimented with different diets and dialed in my nutrition. I get enough sleep and am not deficient in micro-nutrients. I get adequate sunlight and have a gf to have sex with so I don't watch porn. I have worked out with many other people stronger and bigger than me and closely replicated each of their advice to no avail and have learned that no one actually knows anything about fitness. Notice how I made a thread providing a shit load of information but hardly any interaction or open dialogue but fitizens will spend all day spewing the fundamentals to some retard in a low quality shit thread. Makes you realize people just want to hear themselves talk and feel knowledgeable. Take this for what you will.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That projection though. Sounds like a rough ride.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                YWNBAW and KYS OP for claiming to workout PPL 6x a week for 2 years to look like an anorexic twink

                https://i.imgur.com/qhT6KVn.png

                Behold, 2 years of natty lifting progress.
                The before pic is closer to maybe 4 or more years ago but you get the fucking point. I would argue I look worse.

                Yes I have experimented a lot and recently I have been taking at least one set to failure per session.
                [...]
                I have put on probably around 20ish pounds if I had to guess but I dont remember much what I used to weigh. Right now I am 6 foot 1 and 185 lbs.
                [...]
                yeah SS might have fucked me but I didn't do it for that long. I autistically prioritized compounds for too long after that though, probably.
                [...]
                I don't have it recorded exactly but I know I never deadlifted 225 on SS and the last time I deadlifted I did 255 for 6 reps. Squat I probably finished around 155 for 5 and am probably around 215 for 5 now. I bench maybe 170 for 5 where as I used to bench 135 ish. I dont squat or deadlift anymore.
                [...]
                I change my programming around frequently to keep variety but I will post the program I have been running the past 3 months in a second. I sleep 9-10 hours most nights and eat a lot of food.

                Waste of a thread.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck you retard I never claimed to do PPL for 2 years I said I have been doing it for 3 months.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bro you look good on the left picture, is that actually before? It shows you have potential and definitely not a genetic failure like your post makes it seem
        Seriously you fucked up something it's almost like you lost muscle... It's gotta be your training since you sleep well and eat at a surplus
        Try increasing volume in your workout. SS is not great for hypertrophy, do at least 10-20 sets a week per muscle group
        For example chest, you can try doing 6 sets of benchpress and 6 sets of flies per week

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          see

          https://i.imgur.com/FxVJLDg.png

          FUCK I forgot pic
          also wanted to add that I am supplementing a daily vitamin, whey protein, creatine and I eat a very balanced diet and likely have no deficiencies.

          for my recent programming. yes that is actually before maybe when I was 17 or 18 and literally did not even touch a weight or anything. I am 23 now for reference. pic rel my symmetricstrength as well

          You have something wrong genetically. Get your bloodwork done.

          fucking kek what would that help? they tell me to diet and exercise?? I have been extremely disciplined for 2 fucking years just accept for some people natty lifting is not reality it is literally a fucking meme. why can some of you not accept this?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am accepting it you haven't yet. Here's your excuse if you don't want to find out the reason why. Take it. Never work out again. Ya fucking dork.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just did this meme shit, why is my bp so shitty, I can only hit 140 kg for 8 at 105 kg bw, my incline dumbbell press and overhead press is so much better (using full rom)

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              p-post body

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just did it in another thread, op was happy about 1 pl8 ohp, op is based

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Been a while since I did one of these, maybe new prs this year.

              Based

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You have something wrong genetically. Get your bloodwork done.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's been 2 years, how did you not stop and think maybe something is wrong, jesus.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have. I have periodically changed things in response to advice from people I know in real life, IST, my own intuition, and my own research. Nothing has made any impact in terms of my physique. Like I said I would say my ability to perform specific movements has increased albeit at an unsatisfactory rate, but like

          Bro you look good on the left picture, is that actually before? It shows you have potential and definitely not a genetic failure like your post makes it seem
          Seriously you fucked up something it's almost like you lost muscle... It's gotta be your training since you sleep well and eat at a surplus
          Try increasing volume in your workout. SS is not great for hypertrophy, do at least 10-20 sets a week per muscle group
          For example chest, you can try doing 6 sets of benchpress and 6 sets of flies per week

          pointed out my physique has if anything, regressed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, we can actually tell you aren't eating anything. Now go get that dress lil boy.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just do whatever you want. I just do pullups and random gym machines and I've put on a decent amount of muscle. Don't trust other people that give you bs methods. Just do whatever you want and do it hard.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not. Here's my progress since the start of April with only calisthenics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you went to prison looking like that you'd get raped in the ass.
      Drive safe and don't break the law in any way.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How much weight did you put on?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its not just a meme, its one of the biggest scams going.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    hold on I found a old pic im gonna go take a pic and make a before and after

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    July 2021-july 2022

    Ur not supposed to do SS, that's a meme. I don't even count my reps and do whatever workout I feel like, I just make sure I go EVERYDAY

    Also don't do calisthenics they are 1000 percent pointless.

    Also don't have shit genetics ye..

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I have gotten only slightly stronger since ending SS
    what lifts did you end with on SS and what are they now?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your programming, diet, sleep, or lifts are off.

    Dont just move weight from A to B, you need to engage the muscles and get a solid contraction.

    Soreness or the pump is a sign youre hitting the right muscles.

    I do 5x5 ice cream fitness and throw in incline dumbell bench, facepulls, calf raises and lots of pushups and pullups and ive made mad gainz. The trick is to go slow and perfect your lifts, get your form and engagement down.

    If u dont feel it in ur muscles they wont grow.

    ICE CREAM FITNESS:

    Add 1kg for upper body,
    Add 2kg for lower body

    Workout A

    Squats (5x5)
    Bench Press (5c5)
    Barbell Row (55)
    Barbell Shrugs (3x8)
    Tricep Extensions (3x8)
    Barbell Curls (3x8)
    Hyperextensions (2x10)
    Cable Crunches (3x10)

    Workout B

    Squats (5x5)
    Deadlift (1x5)
    Overhead Press (5x5)
    Barbell Row (5x5: 10% lighter than Workout A)
    Close Grip Bench Press (3x8)
    Barbell Curls (3x8)
    Cable Crunches (3x10)

    Or

    A:
    Squat
    Horizontal push
    Horizontal pull
    Tricep isolation
    Deadlift accessory
    Lateral delt isolation
    Abs

    B:
    Deadlift
    Vertical push
    Vertical pull
    Bicep isolation
    Squat accessory
    Rear delt isolation
    Abs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't the leg volume too low? Where are all the leg press, leg curls/RDLs and lunges?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You think roids will change you? Clearly, you are just another zoomer that watches too much tiktok.

    The fact you are doing roider BB workouts while natty alone is the fact you aren't seeing gains but weights still go up. Cut it back to 3-4 day or at least 5 days, go on an actual diet (no where do you talk about your daily protein intake, which is large factor of diet) and go pay a PT for a couple visits because you clearly are lifting wrong.

    A pt is 1/10th the cost of a proper cycle anyways. Plus, if you are still this retarded and decided to roid, I doubt you'll see much progress and the little you do see will go away after cycle.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's your programming like? How much weight have you gained or lost? Picrel is me and my physique isn't amazing but I'm happy with it as a natty who didnt workout as consistently as I should have

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      mirin bra and Im glad that natty lifting has worked out for you

      https://i.imgur.com/FxVJLDg.png

      FUCK I forgot pic
      also wanted to add that I am supplementing a daily vitamin, whey protein, creatine and I eat a very balanced diet and likely have no deficiencies.

      this has been the program I have ran for the last 3 months or more but I have tried a lot of different things and haven't really seen any progress as far as my physique aesthetic - see

      https://i.imgur.com/qhT6KVn.png

      Behold, 2 years of natty lifting progress.
      The before pic is closer to maybe 4 or more years ago but you get the fucking point. I would argue I look worse.

      Yes I have experimented a lot and recently I have been taking at least one set to failure per session.
      [...]
      I have put on probably around 20ish pounds if I had to guess but I dont remember much what I used to weigh. Right now I am 6 foot 1 and 185 lbs.
      [...]
      yeah SS might have fucked me but I didn't do it for that long. I autistically prioritized compounds for too long after that though, probably.
      [...]
      I don't have it recorded exactly but I know I never deadlifted 225 on SS and the last time I deadlifted I did 255 for 6 reps. Squat I probably finished around 155 for 5 and am probably around 215 for 5 now. I bench maybe 170 for 5 where as I used to bench 135 ish. I dont squat or deadlift anymore.
      [...]
      I change my programming around frequently to keep variety but I will post the program I have been running the past 3 months in a second. I sleep 9-10 hours most nights and eat a lot of food.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The program exercise selection looks fine. But before we talk about that have you bulked? What was the bulk like? From your pics it looks like you barely ate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I bulked pretty aggressively when I first started doing SS per advice from IST and definitely got stronger but pretty sure that is when I developed mild gyno lmao. I decided bulking and cutting is a fucking meme and just have been eating above my exertion since then. I know its a meme that skinny guys always think they eat more than they do - I don't eat a shit ton but it certainly SHOULD be enough but I believe my muscle building capability is extremely poor.

          With that mindset I wouldn't reccomend roiding,

          Roids are gonna amplify any doubts insecurities and anxiety that you have around how you look and make it worse.

          I don't plan on blasting haphazardly, I want to probably research for a few months before dipping my toes into anything but I would have never lifted for this long without being dedicated to my goal.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >developed minor gyno from SS + bulking
            Can we stop feeding him? He already wasted good trips.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tbh senpai it sounds like you're just not eating enough. SS is a really low volume program which is probably why you got fatter than you wanted. You don't need to bulk aggressively either, a 250-500kcal surplus is enough. All my gains have been made from bulking on programs with highish volume. Your call but if you take gear without eating enough to grow you'll underperform

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been lifting for like 10 years, still look like shit.

    Enjoy the journey not the destination.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can say there are parts of my fitness journey I have definitely enjoyed and I have certainly learned about myself but because my main goal was always about physique and aesthetic I can surely say it has been a disappointment.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        With that mindset I wouldn't reccomend roiding,

        Roids are gonna amplify any doubts insecurities and anxiety that you have around how you look and make it worse.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kek
    >He didn't run SS for 2 years while doing cardio

    Found your first mistake
    Your second was a shit diet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >SS for two years
      fucking kek
      >shit diet
      you have no clue what I am eating retard

      https://i.imgur.com/vJgRSZ7.jpg

      >developed minor gyno from SS + bulking
      Can we stop feeding him? He already wasted good trips.

      I bulked too aggressively in hindsight but when I was starting out I didn't know much and retards on IST were convincing me I needed to eat 5 fucking meals a day to gain any size or strength so I was eating to the point of almost vomiting then having shitty workouts for a month or two before I dialed back and finished SS.

      You're likely eat too little calories with wayy too much protein

      Tbh senpai it sounds like you're just not eating enough. SS is a really low volume program which is probably why you got fatter than you wanted. You don't need to bulk aggressively either, a 250-500kcal surplus is enough. All my gains have been made from bulking on programs with highish volume. Your call but if you take gear without eating enough to grow you'll underperform

      I'm gonna lay out an average day of eating for me with some example foods:
      >Breakfast 6:00 AM
      half a cup of oats cooked in milk with sliced banana and a drizzle of organic maple syrup, some kind of fruit maybe watermelon, and some nuts or legumes
      >Lunch 11:30 AM
      will normally either get subway 12 inch loaded steak sub or bring chicken or tuna with broccoli from home - a PBJ with strawberry jam on occasion.
      >Post workout 5:00 PM
      normally some mix of chicken rice and beans with maybe corn
      >Dinner and Shake 8:00 PM
      usually steak or beef based, home cooked stuff like pot roast with cooked vegetables and what not + protein shake with milk and 5g creatine

      on weekends I typically eat more because I have more time to food prep and eat things I wouldn't have time or feel like bothering with during the week

      This is a demoralization thread. OP is for sure lying about his numbers. The entire thing is most likely a lie from some discord trannies trying to keep people out of the gym. You should just have a nice day. YWNBAW

      not a demoralization thread gay actually read the fucking thread

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not a demoralization thread
        so are you baiting or just extremely low IQ?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >tldr natty lifting is 100% a meme if you have bad genetics or didn't stay active in sports during your adolescence. I will be starting a cycle soon

        this right here is how i know you are a lying demoralizer. You are trying to keep people out of the gym. You have an agenda. if you really followed a weightlifting program for 2 years you would be way above this. your current body type is an impossibility to achieve if what youre saying is true. you are a liar. you are a shill. stop trying to keep people out of the gym liar.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yet another DYEL falls for the MainGains lean-bulk meme. Sad!

    >Dude just like eat 300 cals over maintenance and you will pack on the muscle dude, without getting fat! Just have an extra sandwich a day thats all it takes!

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a demoralization thread. OP is for sure lying about his numbers. The entire thing is most likely a lie from some discord trannies trying to keep people out of the gym. You should just have a nice day. YWNBAW

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok. works fine on my machine.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP trolling the shit out of everyone

    IST is probably the easiest board to bait

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