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Is this guy right?
Dont be retarded
He's telling half-truths. Yes he's natty but he's not telling you he's 5'5"
How can anyone believe this prat is natty? It's like this, you lift for 2 years natty and you are about 90% of the way there. There is some variation with genetics but not a huge amount, evidenced by how small tested natural bodybuilders are, black and white.
The only people who believe these frauds are natty are naive teens who have barely even trained natty themselves therefore have no concept of what that natty wall is like and think it can be overcome with "genetics" and "years of hard work".
I wish we still had good boards like bb.com misc because it sucks how on anonymous boards some 14 year old moron's idiotic posts carry the same weight as a 20 year natty or a veteran roider. If you're new to lifting or a teen just shut the fuck up about who you think is natty because you don't have a clue.
>muh he’s been training for 15 years
Always amused by this idiotic cope for defending fake nattys
my other favorite cope is "he's just on 150 test bro" or "trt bro". They've never taken gear before so they think they can guess how much gear some dude on a bunch of shit is.
This isn't natty. The juice heads favorite refute is always IT'S MUH GENETICS!
Good and bad genetics relating to muscle building is an extra 10lbs of muscle at best. Muscle insertions are a different thing.
All the "amazing genetics! like Arnie, were all juicing as a teenager. Nobody even knows what they look like without juice.
I hate cunts like that, lift to be healthy and look good, but these people are cultists, they make it a faith because they are void of anything but low self esteem in life, and this is their mask to hide it.
And lol at the broccoli zoomer cut.
This, thats the fake natty lie is that THEY can do it natty but you cant.
anyone who talks about muh genetics are either
1) lazy DYELs using genetics as an excuse to be DYEL
2) roiders using genetics as an excuse to pretend they dont even need the roids
the only reply ITT that matters, nice summary
>giving a trip attention
just look at natural bodybuilding competitions and decide for yourself
the only thing that is natural to him is that bullshit he comes out with
He looks 5'6 and 150lbs.
Would strangle that gay
No he's not natty, you could have Ronnie Coleman genetics and you still wouldn't look like that natty
>majority of people in this comment section have been and will be sub-primals.
It's incredibly unlikely he's natty. The level of dedication it would require to look like that without roids is almost impossible to maintain long-term. And then things like height, muscle insertions, myostatin levels, hormones, and a shit ton of other random genetic factors you have to consider. If he is natural he would have been not only genetically blessed but also have inhumane self control and willpower. I'm not saying it's impossible but it is FAR more likely he's just roiding.
>I'm not saying it's impossible
You guys are actually delusional. You want to believe a physique like that is possibly natural. Funny how shit like that always from lifters who only lifted 1 to 2 years.
Yea it would next to impossible, but not actually impossible. I personally agree with you that he's a bullshiting fake natty because the chances that he has a body like that naturally are slim to none. However, it would be wrong to say no one on earth is capable of that naturally.
obviously not natty but it brings up the question: why would you stick to such a blatant lie?
Because then he couldn't shill whatever sponsored product to the normies.
His target audience can't tell that he's not natural
He's right about GDE copers since none of them would look like them even if they were on his stack.
Lifting really ain't that serious holy shit lmao.
it's so strange to hear people arguing about natty or not
he is clearly juicing. look at the size compared to his bf%. the more muscle you have, the harder it will be to keep off the bodyfat. you have to eat big in order to be big, and when you start cutting down you WILL lose muscle mass. you will, I don't care how much int. fasting you do, how much krill oil you take, it doesn't fucking matter.
if you want to be big and cut you have to do drugs. that's pretty much it.
genetics have little to do with it, it affects how easily you can put on muscle mass, but your natty limit isn't drastically different than somebody with dogshit genetics. muscle insertions and skeletal framing can affect how you look, but doesn't affect the amount of lean bodymass you can pack on.
yeah dude 100% natty, why would a social media retard lie about taking steroids
>yeah dude 100% natty, why would a social media retard lie about taking steroids
Exactly. And even if he is natty, he'd 100% roid because that's Mr Olympia tier genetics
i believe him because he said he's not
It is completely possible for a naturally gifted person to be on par with a steroid user and for a steroid user to still see below average results. But steroids do make a clear difference.
>graph shows that the weakest steroid participant is stronger than the strongest natty participant
anon i dont think you understand how powerful a cycle is
>its just chicken and broccoli bro just trust me! Use code gay now to get 10% off my overpriced creatine!
Chuckled at this.
And obviously not natty as everyone else has already stated
Anyone writing walloftext.jpg about Muh Grind is not natty
Lean Big Natty
Also he's going on a pretty strong offensive in response to criticism, which generally means...
Anybody with zoomer birds nest hair that has a good physique is on PED's.
this emoji is the #1 sign that the person is asshurt
People who legit believe someone with this physique is natty never did a single cut in their lives.
or a single year in a gym
Natty limit is quite high if it is actually your job to bodybuild
That said he probably cycled at some point
>Dude look at this old photo of a 140 pound ripped dude
I love how people who talk about the natty limit are nulifters. Your expectations will be shattered lmao
>guys who've been training for years and are still struggling to hit depth with 315 for reps
>315 squat is average
Inflation's a bitch, ain't it? Anyway very obviously not natty with those roid shoulders shit thread
He looks like he has the frame of a little boy here
no amount of roids can save that long neck
just like andrew taint then
>traps ride up to his head
>like 9% BF and huge
>the classic “imagine how big I would be if I was roiding”
not even remotely possible as natty
It's definitely newbies who believe guys like this are natty, and I suspect that#s what most of his audience consists of.
I think that's because they want to convince themselves they can achieve that, and when told you can't, and you'll never look like that being natty, it's a hit in the guts. So they just defend it, the right genetics, the right workout, the right sleep, the right food etc.
It's like when obviously Hollywood juice heads show pics. and people post shit like it is natty, they just have the best nutritionist, workout coach, and food.,
And of course you can understand why these guys lie. They have no product to sell if not. If they admit steroids, their advice is kinda garbage. Everyone will grow on them. But if they say it's all natty, then wow, they must have some super secret knowledge.
At the end of the day they are still charlatans, preying on the ignorant to make money from them.
He looks maybe natty here
the picture is from last year September
A simple test, especially for very lean people like this;
Do they look bigger and fuller than high level natural bodybuilding top 3 finishes in the recent years?
If yes, then one of two;
a) They are on some kind of PED
b) They are turbomanlets and the picture is taken with the best lightning and post effects possible, in case you need more pictures
c) They are truly the 0.000001% hidden genetic elite
Occam's razor, it's simple.
You can only have 2
Is that commenter getting paid or some shit? Why is he dickriding so hard?
respect loss from normies >>>>> a few autists leaving comment under post saying "WOW bro your brave for being honest! thank you!"
they will pick the normies respect every single time
This, holy fuck. I didn't realize there alot of autists with pepe avatars on insta lol. I still thought it was normieville. Never admit to using gear, there is zero point to doing so.
This isn’t even debatable…
This isn’t even debatable…
he's short lmao
>I didn't realize there alot of autists with pepe avatars on insta lol.
It’s been like that for years. Half of the “normies” at my Uni have anime pfp’s
Those aren't normies, those are the incel stem fags lol.
He looks natty in that pic.
Could be OP.
Legit looks like one of those muscle suits
He looks like he has the frame of a little boy here
he looks literally 5'3 or something
Majority of people in this thread have been and will be lifetime beginners-intermediates in the gym. Majority of these people have shit genes for this as well. With the most mediocre physiques and strength after training for years. 99% of them don't know really what it's like to give everything for this. To stick to the plan and put the work in every single session. To have extended periods of focus, to forgo alcohol completely and other detrimental aspects to training. They don't understand this shit and never will. It's not easy but you've clearly put in the work and you have amazing genetics.
This doesn't happen by accident. Those
"trust me bro he's on juice l've been training for years I can 100% tell" guys who've been training for years and are still struggling to hit depth with 315 for reps and look like they just stepped foot in the gym for the first time last week.
It's their way of coping and accepting average is all they will ever be, more than likely in all aspects of life outside of training as well. Keep putting in that work, they couldn't even fathom what your physique would be on juice.
Excellent, new copypasta. Didn't even think of that.
Guy has forehead which already now indicates he'll be bald at 35.
Don't juicers have really bad skin??
Or is his youth hiding the side effects?
Are you implying this feathered chicken looks like he has great skin? He looks almost like Derek.
His copepost tells us the truth
how long has this dude been lifting? How old is he? What are his lifts like? How did he look 1-2-3 years ago?
Dunno bros he looks small
I think he said he's 178cm but he looks 168cm
>literal book about nothing to go with his shirtless instagarden gnome selfie
not natty, will be fully chuded and taking Mexican dick up his ass by the end of the year
Tl:dr. He's on gear.
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