Once you've seen enough of these pics, it becomes pretty clear, you get a feeling for that stuff
But in general, he's just too big to have clearly defined abs, and those boulder delts are sus as fuck
His legs are also rather small for someone with this kind of mass in the upper body, it's possible he's been skipping leg day but rather unlikely
Okay, this pic kind of disproves my last point, his legs are pretty big after all
But still, I'd say there's an 80% chance he's juicing, barring god-tier genetics (which most gymcels don't have, otherwise they'd be competing) you don't get this veiny and have defined abs while being this big
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not sure I got it, you say there's an 80% chance he's roiding and a 20% chance he's just blessed by God in terms of genetics?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit is he carved out of marble?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's carved out of steroids.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
and if he went on stage they'd put a moron than on him. bodybuilding is dead
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He already participated in some powerlifting contests.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I got legs bigger than that after 3 months of cycling. Natty for sure.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dude, check out these deltoids, fucking a.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are those the worst leg insertions I've ever seen?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
nobody cares about legs, neck it gay.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tiny delts, he needs to do SS + GOMAD
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol nobody noticed that small gyno on the left pectoral
But yeah defenitly not on gear
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
How can you roid this fucking hard and have such shitty traps?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I would err on the side of roided but it's possible he's a genetically gifted natty
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Achievable natty?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is what happens if you eat 2 multivitamins instead of just 1
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hmm...
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
technically these are just myostatin deficient cows, no growth hormone
Certain muscles have more androgen receptors than others and therefore will develop more in relation to others. His delts are OBSCENE in relation to other areas of his body, almost comical.
"Except for my shoulders which have always looked like this, I've never had full pecs, never had high pecs, never had upper trapezius, even my middle/inf trapezius are not gigantically developed compared to my backs, and yet I'm talking about the places that are supposed to skyrocket when you're on roids"
You know how image classifiers work? You show the neural net a thousand images and it learns to tell whether it's picture of a cat or a dog, with 99+% accuracy. But can anybody explain step by step how you tell a cat from a dog?
Same thing here. He doesn't "look" natty so I'm 99.9999% confident he isn't, simple as. It would be very hard to come up with a checklist of features to look out for that always applies in every situation but your brain is good at this kind of massively parallel computation, checking a thousand parameters at once.
I get what you're saying but the annoying part is this essentially just boils down to "trust me bro I know."
And I agree, we do know. But whenever you try to explain this to someone who doesn't understand fitness they just think you're a jealous nogains loser who thinks everyone is on steroids. And to be fair I am a nogains loser who thinks everyone is on steroids. But also everyone ACTUALLY is on steroids.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He’s too full while lean. That’s all there is to it. Lean naturals deflate. Guy looks 210+ lb at 10% bf got Christ’s sake. Naturals lose abs at 190 lb.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not whoever you were replying to but this post reminds of chicks who, when I meet them at first I like them but after talking for more than 5 minutes with them I start to hate their mannerisms
I looked like that after 3 months of SS. If you think this physique requires roids you obviously don't put in the necessary work at the gym, so apply yourself
>Are you kidding me?
They probably are but plenty of anons are dumb as brick so its hard to be sure; there might be some posters who are fat fucks or look anorexic but think they look like OPs pic
I like this body
Need to find a way to lose lower belly fat so it's only skin left but the less I eat the fatter I get for some fucking reason.
Have been eating tuna and salad for the last 4 days. Wtf is going on????
Bro. He’s on roids. That’s why they’re trolling you, because it’s very obvious. There are a few people in the world who can achieve this naturally with perfect lifting and diet, and some do, but 99.8% chance he is not one of them.
now realize theres junior competitors who nobody knows that looked 3 times better than that youtube fag NATTY
you obviously post bad examples intentionally to demoralize people into thinking youve got to look like shit if youre natty
Honestly it depends. Is it achievable for a shorter person which is working out in the right way for a long time and has great genetics? Yes.
Is it realistic for your average person to look like that after a year of lifting? No. So honestly even if its absolutely possible i would doubt it unless you know the person good enough.
huh, what are the odds. Dozens of posters easily claiming this body is achievable "natural" yet not one single natural in this thread posts their own similar physique as proof. Very peculiar
or fucking desperate and pathetic as fuck. You will never look anywhere close to that, even after autistically training/dieting for 20 years natural cuck gays
if you really hard for a year, this body is to be expected.
Not very impressive imho
6 months natty with a good program. 2 months on roids.
6 is a safe estimate but easily doable in 5, if you're really consistent 4. And ya around 2 months with roids.
what do you think retard
4 weeks bodyweight and meditation
Ok name the program
SS
Are you kidding me?
They're messing with you
He's roiding
Why are you so sure about that?
Once you've seen enough of these pics, it becomes pretty clear, you get a feeling for that stuff
But in general, he's just too big to have clearly defined abs, and those boulder delts are sus as fuck
His legs are also rather small for someone with this kind of mass in the upper body, it's possible he's been skipping leg day but rather unlikely
Okay, this pic kind of disproves my last point, his legs are pretty big after all
But still, I'd say there's an 80% chance he's juicing, barring god-tier genetics (which most gymcels don't have, otherwise they'd be competing) you don't get this veiny and have defined abs while being this big
Not sure I got it, you say there's an 80% chance he's roiding and a 20% chance he's just blessed by God in terms of genetics?
Holy shit is he carved out of marble?
He's carved out of steroids.
and if he went on stage they'd put a moron than on him. bodybuilding is dead
He already participated in some powerlifting contests.
I got legs bigger than that after 3 months of cycling. Natty for sure.
Dude, check out these deltoids, fucking a.
Why are those the worst leg insertions I've ever seen?
nobody cares about legs, neck it gay.
Tiny delts, he needs to do SS + GOMAD
Lol nobody noticed that small gyno on the left pectoral
But yeah defenitly not on gear
How can you roid this fucking hard and have such shitty traps?
I would err on the side of roided but it's possible he's a genetically gifted natty
Achievable natty?
This is what happens if you eat 2 multivitamins instead of just 1
Hmm...
technically these are just myostatin deficient cows, no growth hormone
Certain muscles have more androgen receptors than others and therefore will develop more in relation to others. His delts are OBSCENE in relation to other areas of his body, almost comical.
"His arguments are
"Except for my shoulders which have always looked like this, I've never had full pecs, never had high pecs, never had upper trapezius, even my middle/inf trapezius are not gigantically developed compared to my backs, and yet I'm talking about the places that are supposed to skyrocket when you're on roids"
You have to be a massive retard to think this is natty
You know how image classifiers work? You show the neural net a thousand images and it learns to tell whether it's picture of a cat or a dog, with 99+% accuracy. But can anybody explain step by step how you tell a cat from a dog?
Same thing here. He doesn't "look" natty so I'm 99.9999% confident he isn't, simple as. It would be very hard to come up with a checklist of features to look out for that always applies in every situation but your brain is good at this kind of massively parallel computation, checking a thousand parameters at once.
I get what you're saying but the annoying part is this essentially just boils down to "trust me bro I know."
And I agree, we do know. But whenever you try to explain this to someone who doesn't understand fitness they just think you're a jealous nogains loser who thinks everyone is on steroids. And to be fair I am a nogains loser who thinks everyone is on steroids. But also everyone ACTUALLY is on steroids.
He’s too full while lean. That’s all there is to it. Lean naturals deflate. Guy looks 210+ lb at 10% bf got Christ’s sake. Naturals lose abs at 190 lb.
Not whoever you were replying to but this post reminds of chicks who, when I meet them at first I like them but after talking for more than 5 minutes with them I start to hate their mannerisms
I looked like that after 3 months of SS. If you think this physique requires roids you obviously don't put in the necessary work at the gym, so apply yourself
So everyone can achieve that body, is that what you're saying?
>Are you kidding me?
They probably are but plenty of anons are dumb as brick so its hard to be sure; there might be some posters who are fat fucks or look anorexic but think they look like OPs pic
100% roids
You're actually retarded.
They're trolling
Post physique fat fuck of a cunt
>creatine + whey powder
Not roided but still not natty
>mixing creatine and whey powder
heh enjoy your heart attack roidchud
Rather natty. But you never know.
It's achievable for a short person
I like this body
Need to find a way to lose lower belly fat so it's only skin left but the less I eat the fatter I get for some fucking reason.
Have been eating tuna and salad for the last 4 days. Wtf is going on????
>those delts
>natty
Sure.
Possible natty if you're 5'4
He's 174cm
Delusional.
mirin gyno
where?
He's 174 cm 90kg, he's been lifting for about 4 years, sure he has good genetics but the question remains...
Roids, no question.
And then you see this roided freak IRL and he's a manlet with weird skin looking 10 years older than he actually is. Never do roids bros.
a year of actual training and u can expect to look like this
ITT: he looks better than me so he must be roiding!!
Doesn't matter either way. He'd still fall to the ol' dick twist.
I looked like this before even lifting. Just a few push-ups and pull-ups. Def natty
just go on ss+nofap+nopoo+cold water+noshampoo+nogf
4 months if you keep it up
Can you answer without trolling? Is it too difficult for you?
Bro. He’s on roids. That’s why they’re trolling you, because it’s very obvious. There are a few people in the world who can achieve this naturally with perfect lifting and diet, and some do, but 99.8% chance he is not one of them.
>chose big and natty
why dont girls like big and natty?
now realize theres junior competitors who nobody knows that looked 3 times better than that youtube fag NATTY
you obviously post bad examples intentionally to demoralize people into thinking youve got to look like shit if youre natty
meyourn t'es cramax
It's 2022, if you have to ask, they're not natural.
who is hE?
some random guy in the French equivalent of IST
link?
It's called Jeuxvideo.com, the "Musculation & Nutrition" section
Pourquoi tu lui as dit ?! À cause de toi il va trouver des photos de Meymey pour se lébran sur lui
>can see the pin marks on his delts
>is this natty
>FFMI is likely in the low 30s
The absolute state of IST.
Anyone could look like him if they trained really hard for 3 weeks on keto
Honestly it depends. Is it achievable for a shorter person which is working out in the right way for a long time and has great genetics? Yes.
Is it realistic for your average person to look like that after a year of lifting? No. So honestly even if its absolutely possible i would doubt it unless you know the person good enough.
Are you retarded?
This is just what you get if you do a few pushups a day and eat less
huh, what are the odds. Dozens of posters easily claiming this body is achievable "natural" yet not one single natural in this thread posts their own similar physique as proof. Very peculiar
or fucking desperate and pathetic as fuck. You will never look anywhere close to that, even after autistically training/dieting for 20 years natural cuck gays
week 1 on creatine