No wonder keto causes hairloss. It's terribly unhealthy. Why did you lie to me ketoschizo?

No wonder keto causes hairloss. It's terribly unhealthy. Why did you lie to me ketoschizo?

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      havent lurked IST in years, but did IST always suspect keto to be bad for you?

      >14 replies
      >8 posters
      It's moxyte homie. He makes 70% of all anti-keto threads.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        OP here. I'm not your redditor nemesis, ketoschizo. Go back.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I am le impronto I call myself nemesischan like the big guy from star evil

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are him, moxy, but you aren't nobodies nemesis. You're on the same level as that hapa posting bbc threads on pol and gif.

          Also post body 🙂

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Still not your redditor nemesis, go back

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/oUrulJS.png

      [...]
      >14 replies
      >8 posters
      It's moxyte homie. He makes 70% of all anti-keto threads.

      Based.

      Never forget: the people pushing carbs and plant-based diets are the same people who pushed mRNA injections.

      Eat meat, avoid carbs, and NEVER get the clotshots!

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I had vax cucks telling me this demon spawn was hot

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      ah
      a terminally only vegan predditor
      makes sense

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saturated fat elevates LDL which is casually linked to CVD. We've known this for 80 years

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >casually
      no

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I meant "causally". But yes, beyond of a shadow of a doubt the two are linked.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          nah
          we went over this last weeks

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we went over this last weeks
            I'm sure some anons said some words that reassured you, but they were wrong.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              lmao
              you keep losing this argument
              And keep reposting a new thread it in hopes that no one argues against your point
              We don't bother making pro keto posts because everyone knows causally linking things is a moronic move, and in this case of ldl being causally linked with cvd is simply false.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok anon, whatever you want to say to make yourself feel better. Keep doing what you are doing.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I will. And I'll leave a couple flowers on your casket for you when you die 20 years before me.

                >ldl being causally linked with cvd is simply false
                increased LDLs for a long time will eventually form plaques that occlude vessels. the coronary arteries are not privileged.

                I'm going to help you visualize in a way that you may just be able to understand.

                Think of ldl like little sedans in a busy metro system. Got it? Now consider what happens when you have a large surplus of cars in a metro system. Statistically, the rate of crashes goes up, because you have more cars in your transportation system. Are purely the increases of a lot of cars, causally linked to an increase of car crashes? Yes or no?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron uses the same logic that fatties use to claim HAES

                Post body

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the guy who asked for a pic, but please tell me your diet/macros, so i can avoid looking like that

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't worry. It doesn't matter what you eat. You won't look like me.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ldl being causally linked with cvd is simply false
                increased LDLs for a long time will eventually form plaques that occlude vessels. the coronary arteries are not privileged.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >pay people to say this drug is good. They say the drug is good
          Surely they are not biased. Why don't you post the conflict of interest statement to that paper? You won't because its so absurd it doesn't even fit into a single post. You are moronic, naive, a shill or maybe all of the above

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >pay people to say this drug is good. They say the drug is good
            There are plenty of non drug industry sponsored studies that confirm the exact same findings.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              No they don't. Your pic is cherry picking studies to fake a relationship between LDL and CVD. Get that bullshit out of here
              >White symbols: trials included in the analysis by Ference et al.; black symbols: excluded or ignored trials; squares: primary-preventive trials; round symbols: secondary-preventive trials; stippled line: regression line for the included trials; full line: regression line for all trials.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                And your(sourceless) graph ISN'T cherry picked?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its clearly showing all the studies your pic excluded you dimwit. Lol you're sharp as a fricking knob

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Alright moron. Again, we've know that LDL causes 80 disease for 80 years

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Of course we do look at all the support you have

                Now one might ask why they might do such a thing
                >Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.

                But wait there's more
                >J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.

                [...]
                And because all that isn't ridiculous enough there is even more COI
                >H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca. M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
                [...]

                So glad to have all these benevolent corporations looking after my heart health. How did humans ever live past 35 without them?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now one might ask why they might do such a thing
                >Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                But wait there's more
                >J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                But wait there's more
                >J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.

                And because all that isn't ridiculous enough there is even more COI
                >H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca. M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.

                https://i.imgur.com/4mQQ6Kl.png

                I meant "causally". But yes, beyond of a shadow of a doubt the two are linked.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just so anyone isn't aware, there is no evidence in any of the literature showing a cause and effect relationship between elevated LDL and heart disease. None at all.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >there is no evidence in any of the literature showing a cause and effect relationship between elevated LDL and heart disease. None at all.
            A lie. It's one of the most established findings in all of nutritional research.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's ox-LDL not LDL by itself that leads to AS.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's ox-LDL not LDL by itself that leads to AS.
            No it isn't

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >My studies are proper while your studies are not proper.
              It's beyond established at this point, we have a DOZEN Mandelian randomization, RCT, and cohort studies that all say the exact same thing. There is no amount of evidence, that the denialists will accept. We have known this for 80 years at this point.

              People like you are the reason the only way science advances is when old experts die off. Protip, the established science was once that hand-washing had nothing to do with birth fever, or surgery infections and sepsis. The guy who did the work about it and publicised his findings died in poverty and ridicule, and it took another couple decades for everyone to go "holy shit that homie was right". Millions of lives could've been saved if not for people like you

              >we've known this for 80 years

              We've known nothing of the sort, the data was always flawed, biased, or outright falsified, starting with Keys and his Seventh Day Adventist buddies, and it was always profit driven, starting with Crisco. You're wrong, about everything, and history will judge your insanity for what it is- the reason millions have died needlessly.

              >beyond established

              Nothing is ever beyond established, not if you actually wanna practice the scientific method.

              In short, you're not only an idiot, you're evil.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >starting with Keys
                It didn't start with Keys, we knew this before him.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >correlation equals causation

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mechanistic causation is known: cholesterol clots in veins blocking blood flow. Rest is merely affirming that is caused by diet.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also hate ketogays but you are wrong my friend. Not all LDL particles all the same, as well as HDL. Read about subtypes, and then you will realize the whole "saturated fat le bad" meme has been a lie, and also that HDL in vegans is deceivingly high (a lot of that HDL turns out to have unwanted density). We've known this for more than 30 years. Also, coincidentally, trend of hating on saturated fat started at the same time Crisco™ was invented and heavily marketed (i.e. making of cottonseed oil, process of value extraction from literal industrial waste, afterwards turning to sunflower and rapeseed oil production)

      t. Friendly biochemist

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except we haven't. Its been claimed but no one has actually managed to prove it, only the huge dangers of seed oils and other processed crap has been repeatedly proven but basic butter is bulletproof and healthy.
      Also that whole "muh high cholesterol, muh high ldl" is the exact same coping they came up when they couldn't actually prove anything and that their heart healthy diets were killing people, so hey presto! Let's just change the facts!
      This shit happened here in Finland thanks to the North-Karelia project, which was a total failure, but didn't stop the seed oils chizos from lying about it and changing the safe levels of cholesterol so that doctorts can safely lie to people and later on put patients of deadly amounts of statings because of their "high" cholesterol.

      ps. never ate keto since I love my homemade bread

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kappas, Antti Heikkilän kullin lutkuttaja eksyi tänne. Kuules nyymi, Pohjois-Karjala projektin aikana sen koealueen sydänkohtausten esiintyvyys laski nopeasti 80% minkä jälkeen ensin Oulun alueen vanhushoito ja sitten loput maasta otti sen saman ohjelman käyttöön. Puska myös sovelsi yhdessä muiden pohjoismaiden kanssa välimerellisen ruokavalion pohjoismaiseksi ruokavalioksi missä korostui sitten marjat ja täysjyvä. Suomen sydänsairaudet on nykyään maailman kärjestä pudonneet keskikastiin. Että sellainen katastrofi se oli.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

      >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

      >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
      http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

      >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

      >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

      >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

      >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
      https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        see

        https://i.imgur.com/4mQQ6Kl.png

        I meant "causally". But yes, beyond of a shadow of a doubt the two are linked.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >7 proper studies you cant argue against
          vs
          >1 meme pic
          hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My studies are proper while your studies are not proper.
            It's beyond established at this point, we have a DOZEN Mandelian randomization, RCT, and cohort studies that all say the exact same thing. There is no amount of evidence, that the denialists will accept. We have known this for 80 years at this point.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and Lucky Charms are healthier than a steak, right?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, but a bucket of lard certainly is.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes
        T. Goldbergenstein

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    dht + genetic susceptibility causes hair loss
    but yeah keto is moron-tier unhealthy

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      stress does far more damage than genes

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking lol’ed when I found out keto schizo left this site because he was getting death threats outside of IST lmfao.

    I found him mildly annoying. But to find somebody’s personal info and then threaten to kill them just because they shitpost keto stuff is fricking hilarious to me.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      He got doxxed? Was it this dude? A literally moronic literal meat marketer?

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    havent lurked IST in years, but did IST always suspect keto to be bad for you?

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >No wonder keto causes hairloss. It's terribly unhealthy. Why did you lie to me ketoschizo?

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >No wonder keto causes hairloss. It's terribly unhealthy. Why did you lie to me ketoschizo?

    I guess people should just stop eating fat or sugar then?

    Because eating vegetable derived oils causes just as much cvd as animal sources of fats. A couple studies even found that vegetable derived oils cause more cvd.

    So....just no oil or fat? And no sugar? Just eat like...fish and carrots I guess

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no good evidence implicating animal fats or tropical oils

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        what are you calling a tropical oil? Coconut oil?

        Pam probably causes cvd. Cvd really started to go up as soon as crisco hit the market. You didn't see nearly as much of it when most things were cooked in butter and lard.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crisco is an industrial product not a tropical oil. Was referring to coconut and palm oil.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because eating vegetable derived oils causes just as much cvd as animal sources of fats
      No it doesn't

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No it doesn't

        nah man, they did an 8 year study. Switching to shit like crisco caused slightly more death than the people eating food made with butter. There was no health benefit from using Monounsaturated or Polyunsaturated fats. If anything they were worse than Saturated.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nah man, they did an 8 year study
          I'm not interested in a singe study, and you are probably talking about the minnesota heart study, which is garbage.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >which is garbage.

            and this shit isn't?

            [...]
            And because all that isn't ridiculous enough there is even more COI
            >H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca. M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
            [...]

            But wait there's more
            >J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.

            Now one might ask why they might do such a thing
            >Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >and this shit isn't?
              Some of them might be garbage, but dozens?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but dozens?
                Yes.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Animal fat does not cause heart disease, vegetable oils do indeed, cold pressed olive oil and coconut oil aside. Look up dr Cate Shanahan and chris Knobbes

  8. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >diet high in saturated fat is bad for heart
    Wow, big shocker there. Totally not something everyone knew for literally decades now.

  9. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I lost 30 pounds on a keto diet

  10. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is correct. if you have inflamation or damage to artery. body try to repair itself. if you have high ldl it sticks tk the wound and also i never removed, this process creates plaque. depends on your genetics will this happen not on diet. if this happens to you and you eat high fat diet you will make situation worse.

  11. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >SUGAR IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >SATURATED FAT IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >CARBS ARE.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >CHOLESTEROL IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >STARCH IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >GLUTEN IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >LACTOSE IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >RED MEAT IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >EGGS ARE.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >FISH IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >DAIRY IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >FRUIT IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >VEGETABLES ARE.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >POULTRY IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >GRAINS ARE.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >ORGAN MEAT IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.
    >WATER IS.. LE BAD!!
    No.

    God made all this tasty food for me to eat, therefore I'm going to eat it. Simple as

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      IS.. LE BAD!!
      >No.
      >RED MEAT IS.. LE BAD!!
      >No.
      >EGGS ARE.. LE BAD!!
      >No.
      Wrong

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Cholesterol
        Is necessary for a multitude of bodily functions, including testosterone and testosterone precursors
        >Red meat
        Is loaded with high-quality protein, healthy fats, and vital micronutrients
        >Eggs
        Are also loaded with high-quality protein, healthy fats, and vital micronutrients, especially choline

        >b-but my stud-
        No.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Cholesterol
          Your body makes all it needs
          >Red Meat
          high in saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked to CVD
          >eggs
          high in dietary cholesterol and saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked with CVD

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked to CVD
            Wrong.
            >b-but
            No. You are entirely incorrect.
            >s-source!
            Okay. Sure!
            >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

            >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

            >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
            http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

            >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

            >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

            >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

            >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
            https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh so now studies matter? Your 7 studies don't outweigh the hundreds that have been done over the last 80 years that all point to the same conclusion

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Based and chad nutrition science knowledge pilled

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/DKM4szh.jpg

            >saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked to CVD
            Wrong.
            >b-but
            No. You are entirely incorrect.
            >s-source!
            Okay. Sure!
            >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

            >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

            >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
            http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

            >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

            >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

            >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

            >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
            https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

            >Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association. The AHA stance regarding the strength of the evidence for the recommendation to limit SFAs for heart disease prevention may be overstated and in need of reevaluation.
            https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/78/6/474/5678770

            >Diets that replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat do not convincingly reduce cardiovascular events or mortality.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31142556/

            >Taken together, the evidence from both cohort studies and randomized trials does not support the assertion that further restriction of dietary saturated fat will reduce clinical [cardiovascular] events.
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874

            >Findings from the studies reviewed in this paper indicate that the consumption of SFA is not significantly associated with CVD risk, events, or mortality. Based on the scientific evidence, there is no scientific ground to demonize SFA as a cause of CVD. SFA naturally occurring in nutrient-dense foods can be safely included in the diet.
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36059207/

            By the way, where do you plan on getting your choline exactly? Remember, the only good sources of choline are eggs and liver. Without those two, hitting the AI for choline is nigh-impossible, and without animal products it is practically impossible unless you want to eat multiple kilos of broccoli, cauliflower, shiitake mushrooms, and beans every single day.

  12. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the weather
    it's the keto

  13. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    why is there always a thread throwing a fit about the existence of the keto diet when in reality it actually works for weight loss

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Big Pharma shills.

      >Keto, Carnivore, etc. drastically reduce inflammation, obesity, disease and illness.
      >Many people are “off” a variety of drugs (high blood pressure, diabetic, anti anxiety, etc.) because of these diets.
      >Sugar, seed oils and highly processed carbs (the Ameri-mutt diet) keep people sick, inflamed and on Big Pharma’s teet.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Man, I managed to get off antidepressants after three months of carnivore. 20 years of panic attacks, gone, just like that. I feel better than I had since I was 10 years old.

        You know what the vegetards told me about my results one time? That since I can't eat plants without suffering, it means that I'm obviously inferior, deficient and maladapted, and should just die. They hate people, they hate everything about humanity, and want you sick, frail, and suffering.

        The funny thing is, I'm so goddamned strong now, so fricking physically powerful that I could break any puny vegan with one hand tied behind my back and one kneecap shot out. I got into lifting and bjj heavily after my panic attacks went away. And stress has no effect on me whatsoever. I mean it, its hard to explain any other way. It DOESNT MATTER what goes on around me, I'm always calm and collected, crises are just challenges to overcome and I actually feel GOOD about facing them. It would've been inconceivable to me just 3 years back. If feeling like that means I can never touch another plant or plant product in my life, I don't even consider it a price to pay, its so irrelevant.

  14. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Choline deficiency https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
    >Considering these many diverse roles, choline deficiency can cause disorders in many bodily systems, including liver, muscle, and lymphocytes in humans and, additionally, the kidney, pancreas, and developing brain and nervous system in animals.
    >Choline deficiency causes clinical illness in humans.
    >One of the first clinical signs of dietary choline deficiency is the development of fatty liver (hepatosteatosis) resulting from the lack of phosphatidylcholine to package and export very-low-density lipoproteins.
    >Choline deficiency is the only nutrient deficiency shown to induce the development of spontaneous carcinoma.
    >Similarly, elevations in muscle enzymes (eg, serum creatine phosphokinase) can occur in humans during choline deficiency.
    >However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
    >There is also evidence that choline deficiency leads to decrements in some measures of learning and memory.
    >During neurogenesis, neuronal precursor cells proliferate, migrate, and differentiate to neurons. Supplemental choline during this critical period enhances proliferation and differentiation, whereas choline deficiency decreases proliferation and differentiation. Choline deficiency also increases the rate of neuronal cell death.
    >Choline deficiency has been associated with liver and muscle damage and increases in homocysteine (a risk factor for heart disease) after a methionine load. Recent reports suggest that choline metabolism may also play a role in diabetes, cancer, and cystic fibrosis.
    Do you want any of these things to happen to you? Well if you don't, you better eat your damn eggs.

  15. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
    >Recent analyses indicate that large portions of the population (ie, approximately 90% of Americans), including most pregnant and lactating women, are well below the AI for choline. Moreover, the food patterns recommended by the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are currently insufficient to meet the AI for choline in most age-sex groups.
    >Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
    >When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
    Eat. Your. Eggs.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Funding for this manuscript was provided through an unrestricted educational grant from Balchem, the Egg Nutrition Center, and the Beef Checkoff, a contractor to the National Cattleman’s Beef Association. The funding bodies had no influence or role in the writing of the manuscript and the decision to submit it for publication.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ignoring the second study
        Another non-sequitur. Typical of you lot. I cited that one specifically for the line referring to the fact that most people are choline deficient, and the line referring to how the AI for choline was calculated. Both of these things are true, and can be confirmed via other sources, therefore conflict of interest is irrelevant here.
        Now I wonder why you didn't touch the other study?
        >Supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health (DK55865) and by grants from the National Institutes of Health to the University of North Carolina Clinical Nutrition Research Unit (DK56350), Center for Environmental Health and Susceptibility (ES10126), and General Clinical Research Center (RR00046). The Solae Company provided the lecithin used to formulate the diets.
        Oh, that's why. Nothing for your grubby hands to latch onto.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Another non-sequitur
          That's not a non-sequitur.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is, because what you posted is entirely irrelevant to the argument, since conflict of interest is not relevant here due to the fact that I only referred to that study to cite two points: the fact that most people are choline deficient, and the fact that the AI for choline was based off of a depletion/repletion study, which has no conflicts of interest. Therefore your post did nothing to bolster your argument, and bolstered mine instead since it makes you look like an idiot. Eat eggs. Eat red meat. Eat fruit. Eat vegetables. Eat fish. Drink milk. Eat rice. Drink water. Eat poultry. It's that simple.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It is, because what you posted is entirely irrelevant to the argument
              no it isn't

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You have failed to disprove a single one of my points. You have lost this argument. Now it's time for you to eat your eggs. Open wide little fella

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You have failed to disprove a single one of my points.
                You posted an industry funded study that claims people are deficient in choline(a dubious claim). Then you claim to get "enough choline" you NEED to eat eggs. Another dubious claim.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >moron whining because he doesn't want to eat the most basic food for any life form on earth
                Suck ass and eat shit homo.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                The vast vast majority of animals don't eat eggs

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                V A S
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              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                not him but you still don't need eggs and neither does anyone else

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                P U S S
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              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a dubious claim
                Throw the average person's diet into cronometer and you'll find that they're deficient in choline. In fact, throw your own diet into cronometer and you'll probably find out that you're not hitting the bare minimum (550mg for an adult male) of choline for an adult male, because it's downright impossible to get that much without consuming animal products. Ideally you would be at the 1g mark because people who are active, lift, and use their brain a lot likely need more choline for acetylcholine production and other things. Hitting 1g is a pipe-dream without eggs. Give it a shot, throw a bunch of shit into cronometer and see if you can get to 1g without eggs. You won't be able to.

                >there is no evidence in any of the literature showing a cause and effect relationship between elevated LDL and heart disease. None at all.
                A lie. It's one of the most established findings in all of nutritional research.

                >if I tell lies he'll believe me
                Observational studies and correlations do not prove anything. All of the new research that is now coming out (All but one of the studies in

                https://i.imgur.com/DKM4szh.jpg

                >saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked to CVD
                Wrong.
                >b-but
                No. You are entirely incorrect.
                >s-source!
                Okay. Sure!
                >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

                >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

                >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
                http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

                >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

                >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

                >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

                >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
                https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

                https://i.imgur.com/oIHIrWu.jpg

                [...]
                >Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association. The AHA stance regarding the strength of the evidence for the recommendation to limit SFAs for heart disease prevention may be overstated and in need of reevaluation.
                https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/78/6/474/5678770

                >Diets that replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat do not convincingly reduce cardiovascular events or mortality.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31142556/

                >Taken together, the evidence from both cohort studies and randomized trials does not support the assertion that further restriction of dietary saturated fat will reduce clinical [cardiovascular] events.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874

                >Findings from the studies reviewed in this paper indicate that the consumption of SFA is not significantly associated with CVD risk, events, or mortality. Based on the scientific evidence, there is no scientific ground to demonize SFA as a cause of CVD. SFA naturally occurring in nutrient-dense foods can be safely included in the diet.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36059207/

                By the way, where do you plan on getting your choline exactly? Remember, the only good sources of choline are eggs and liver. Without those two, hitting the AI for choline is nigh-impossible, and without animal products it is practically impossible unless you want to eat multiple kilos of broccoli, cauliflower, shiitake mushrooms, and beans every single day.

                are less than a decade old) which was conducted with much better parameters than the older research proves this lie to be false. There is nothing wrong with saturated fat and cholesterol. Anything to the contrary is simply false, none of the recent literature supports it at all. Of course the dumbasses promoting low fat diets will still peddle their nonsense, because going "oopsie! looks like our dietary recommendations (which we made millions off of btw) are actually killing you, guess you wasted your money, time, and health on our books and seminars!" is not very conducive to making more cash.

                Eat eggs.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Utterly based and eggpilled
                Imo eggs are more essential than meat and dairy, you can get by without those two but you're crippling yourself without egg

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Meat and dairy are still important but I agree, going without eggs is much worse.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Throw the average person's diet into cronometer and you'll find that they're deficient in choline
                Base on the RDAs? Those are largely nonsense.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Base on the RDAs? Those are largely nonsense.
                It's based on the AI for choline, which is based off of this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
                >When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
                I don't think it's nonsense bro, please get your choline. Eat eggs

  16. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CNN

  17. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >may be
    Ah yes. There is no evidence for it so they say "may be." Meanwhile the Omega 3 deficient and Omega 6 surplus SAD has been definitively proven to be responsible for heart attacks.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Proven
      >By soience
      lol you gays will literally believe anything.

  18. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOO YOU CANTT LOOSE WAIT BY EAATING LESS YOU HAVE TO EAT OUR FRICKTOE GOYSYRUP AND TAKE OUR FAT PEOPLE MEDICINE NOOOOO
    gas the israelites.
    Let fatties kill themselves however they like.

  19. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Keto is GOAT for CUTTING.
    Keto is great for maintenance since you store store less water and are leaner. You can peak any time by carb loading to look juicy.
    Keto is BAD when you need to perform well on cardio-based sports (running, swimming, cycling, etc.).
    Keto is BAD for bulking/gaining muscle since you want carbs for energy to lift more.

    >t. got to 12% several times on CICO keto OMAD

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some ultramarathon homosexuals prefer keto because they don't like shitting themselves in the middle of a "race"

      But I would suspect like you say it would not be good for bulkin

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some ultramarathon homosexuals prefer keto because they don't like shitting themselves in the middle of a "race"

      But I would suspect like you say it would not be good for bulkin

      I prefer cutting on keto because you do indeed have more energy and it's possible not to go hungry during the whole day when doing OMAD.
      Whenever I cycle fasted, I feel like I'm performing ~20% worse on keto than when I'm carb-loaded.

  20. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    “CNN”

    You should know better.

  21. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are morons just now finding out that keto without intermittent fasting and eating at a deficit will clog your arteries?

  22. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    All you homosexuals arguing about israeli studies… shit means nothing. Common sense says animal fats which humans have eaten for all of fricking time are healthier than sneed oils that were initially engineered to lubricate machinery before they realized they could make us eat them. I’d bet my life on it.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maasai have the lowest life expectancy in the whole world; otzi had heart disease

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Maasai have the lowest life expectancy in the whole world
        yeah I'm sure it's solely because of the meat they eat and not anything else that they encounter in their environment that is the cause of this

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Despite of a high fat diet, unlike Westerners, Maasais show no signs of heart or lifestyle diseases linked to such foods as per their physical exams. The eating of unhealthy food seems to have no adverse impact on them. The level of cholesterol, blood pressure, cholesterol gallstones, and hypertension in their bodies is very negligible. They tend to have low rates of coronary artery diseases and have excellent endurance. There is a high content of omega-3 fatty acids in the walls of the red blood cells. And they burn no more calories than sedentary urbanites. It is indeed a real miracle that the Maasais are in good health despite of their diet. The medical scientists often referenced the Maasais as evidence that low-carbohydrate and a high-fat diet is not heart-damaging.

        >Researchers have noticed that for the kind of high-fat food the Maasais consume, there are a very limited number of deaths attributed to heart disease. A close to a satisfactory explanation is that they do not tend to live as long as Westerners and die of other causes. It implies that Maasais do not live as long as others to be able to detect or diagnose any life diseases or heart problems.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          The thing that gets me is the arrogance and strict deference to that homosexual Ancel Keys and his ridiculous lie about saturated fat that still manages to haunt us today despite demonstration after demonstration that ultra processed industrial waste oils like "vegetable" oils and refined sugar, refined wheat, corn syrup, etc. have destroyed Americans' health and it only continues to worsen. It's the gospel truth that saturated fat is unhealthy- it's true because it's true and you can't question it or else you're a quack, and all the populations of people who eat diets high in saturated fat and don't have epidemics of heart disease are either ignored or they're labeled as "paradoxical". Science in general is corrupt but nutritional and health science especially so, because studies take time and cost money and the primary entities willing to fund them are corporations looking to see a return on their investment, so of course highly profitable and nutritionless sugar and wheat products and plant-based/vegan diets are heavily promoted and animal products are repeatedly condemned and a malady is newly attributed to animal products every year or so. It's all just gay.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's why you gotta pay attention to medical doctors and molecular biologists. They go beyond a basic statistical population study. Only in 2017 they have concluded ox-LDL is a culprit, not just LDL, but since measured plasma levels don't account for the different derivatives of chloresterol, we only know some fat will attack and damage your interior coronary wall. It's odd because it's the top killer in the west, but research in this area is a crawl.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >That's why you gotta pay attention to medical doctors and molecular biologists.
              I don't trust those people either. We have been listening to "experts" religiously since WWII and all that's happened is that we've gotten sicker and sicker. As for me, I trust personal experience. Whole foods in the form of animal products, green vegetables, and bit of starch here and there seems to be the ideal for me. If I bring carbs and sugar into the mix, I gain weight and feel like shit.

  23. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't you guys get tired
    Every single time I come on IST there's these diet debate threads with the same handful of posters
    Don't you have a gym to go to maybe?

  24. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, being vaxxed and keto is a bad combo.

  25. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I eat low carbs and everybody here is dumb.

  26. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >May be
    Is it or is it not?
    >associated with
    >linked to
    Guilt by association. Are there control studies?
    >increased levels
    How much? On what scale?

    The.Science.Is.Settled!

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it or is it not?
      again, maybe
      because "keto diets" can be completely different in caloric value and fatty acid intake

      >Guilt by association. Are there control studies?
      that's not what guilt by association is
      and yes there are RCT's that show markers for heart disease get worse when eating fattier diets, although heart disease takes too long in order to get any serious health outcomes in a span of a regular trial if that's what you're getting at

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >because "keto diets" can be completely different in caloric value and fatty acid intake
        >heart disease get worse when eating fattier diets
        What fats? All fats? What is a "fatty diet"? What is the rest of the diet like? It is guilty by association until you prove it and can exclude other factors.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What is a "fatty diet
          A diet with lot of fat. Yes, any fat.

  27. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meat contains fats that can be oxidized by cooking. Its dumb sneed oil schizo think tallow is a whole lot better. Only virgin olive oil is heathy and non processed oil canola, coconut, avocado, plus sesame oil are tolerable. Don't recook fatty foods either.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      What about heating some cooked beef in the microwave or something?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Heating meat to cooking temps creases advanced glycation end products the only way to not get them is to steam the meat

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        It increases oxidation 2-4 fold when recooking/reheating. Finland was a country that only ate baked cheesed and meat. They were dying in their 30s and 40s. Switched over canola and their life expectancy went well over 60s. Not saying canola is good for you but its better apparently than animal fat. Olive oil is the best.

  28. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get some new material anti keto schizo
      There's so many people healthier for going on the carnivore diet, why do you want to seethe about that?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wheat and sugar are way more profitable than animal products, it's really that simple.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but this gay isn't making money off it so why is he seething so bad

          Heating meat to cooking temps creases advanced glycation end products the only way to not get them is to steam the meat

          It increases oxidation 2-4 fold when recooking/reheating. Finland was a country that only ate baked cheesed and meat. They were dying in their 30s and 40s. Switched over canola and their life expectancy went well over 60s. Not saying canola is good for you but its better apparently than animal fat. Olive oil is the best.

          Saturated and monounsaturated arent oxidised and screwed up as easily as polyunsaturated I thought?

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah but this gay isn't making money off it so why is he seething so bad
            Mental illness, paid shill, or AI. Only explanations. No remotely well-adjusted person would engage in such intensely deranged and neurotic behavior.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              AI on IST only talks to other AI iirc
              Yeah it's nuts I almost hope he's getting a bit of dough for his efforts

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >AI on IST only talks to other AI iirc
                Sometimes I genuinely wonder what percentage of conversations on this site are just bots talking to each other. I probably wouldn't want to know the answer to that question.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                IST has a lot of generals where the posting is way too rhythmic and 24/7 to be humans

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have mainly ignored the generals on IST (so most of the board) but that would not surprise me. Generals all over the site seem to be that way, especially the really inflammatory culture war and/or demoralization fuel generals.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Saturated and monounsaturated arent oxidised
            Correct but when we measure the contents we can detect a serious increase for every recooking. It may come from the animal feed and may have nothing to do with saturated fats, however animal fat isn't just saturated and you are disproportionally eating more fat by weight from meat from say a vegan stir fry with cancer sneed oils.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              But then that's carbs and those are the devil too
              So ig just don't eat anything lmao

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every mediterranean diet shill lived till their late 90s. So there, just do that.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely no one does the Mediterranean diet correctly. As evidenced by the lack of organic Barley Rusks anywhere outside of Greece. Just chugging olive oil and fish isn't the answer. The real med diet or Okinawan diet is 90% whole wheat or sweet potatoes. You'd suck start a 12gauge if you actually ate like the people Ancel Keys was studying.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                90% whole grain or whole sweet potatoes*

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                The study of the Okinawan diet looks at the longevity of the people before WW2 and claim that "oh, these war ravaged people with war ravaged lands only eat sweet potatoes, definitely not because we fricking destroyed their country with war or anything, but surely because they've been eating sweet potatoes all this time with no particular cause as to why they had to find a food source to survive",

                and this claim is logically inaccurate because the population of elderly people whom these studies were conducted on, were eating a diet of fricking fish for 80% of their lives, before WW2.

                The real Okinawan diet that we should attribute their longevity to, was fish and some plants. Surprise.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's ideology. Vegans are sick in the head, and hate humans.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              I can at least appreciate the ones that are "honest" by being openly antinatalist and not even attempting to look shy about considering the human race to be a cancer; you know where you stand with those types as they don't try to fool you into thinking that their philosophy is built on anything but pathological self-hatred. It's the ones that try to mask their mental illness as "environmentalism" or wanting to improve people's health that are truly awful.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tbh, its really easy to spot them all. As you mentioned, environmentalism is a big tell. Any sort of animal rights activism, any sort of pro-immigration bent, leftist leanings, militant atheism, "I hecking love science" types, and finally veganism, those are the big ones. They all hate you and want you to die, realising that is the only way their behaviour makes any kind of sense.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        you can be low fat carnivore homosexual

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Eating nothing but protein is a great way to die quickly

          https://i.imgur.com/hDOczkY.jpg

          Keto makes you insulin resistant.

          Saladino inching higher and higher carb will never not be funny

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a great way to die quickly
            So i get to eat good and leave this gay earth sooner? Win win

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >eat good
              >body is unhealthy and not at peak performance so it dies early
              Post body

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Keto makes you insulin resistant.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        no it doesnt

  29. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >may
    that's why you add dairy which promotes good heart health

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's K2, necessary for proper calcium metabolism. Bad calcium metabolism= calcification of your blood vessels. Main dietary sources are eggs and real cheese, gouda, cheddar, edam and the like.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Or simply 100g of grass fed liver for like 260mcg K2 MK4. Heck, probably even more if you eat wild game

  30. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the authorities and ((media)) say something is bad its probably good.
    Thanks for this, I'll start keto tomorrow.

  31. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >may be
    Slow news day?
    If it says might be, may be or the headline is a question, it's bullshit subversive filler from some vice-tier journalist and only negatives will come from reading it. You're welcome.

  32. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    and yet another thread where the veganhomosexual gets btfo and stops arguing because he is out of strawmen and shitty cherrypicked memestudies

    amazing

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      dw, he's gonna post 10 more within the next 24 hours.

  33. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I see his English has gotten better over the years so there's that I guess lol

  34. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cnn says keto might be bad
    time to go full carnivore

  35. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never done keto and still thinning on my scalp. It's more likely that most people bald hereditarily or from stress, and people trying to find other reasons are desperate to cope.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's all hereditary. Stress has nothing to do with it either.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like MPB. Even women go bald on keto. It's renown as the the hairloss diet for a reason anon. If you do keto you'd probably lose it all within a month. You should hop on fin.

  36. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t know a single IST person i look up to that’s on Keto.

    Simple as.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here's one

  37. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >six pack
    >keto
    pick one

    >strongman
    >keto
    pick one

    >athlete (literally anything)
    >keto
    pick one

    >KETO
    >healthy diet
    pick one

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Simple as.

  38. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >If you reply almost immediately to accusations of committing a murder and go "I'M NOT LE MURDERER, YOU'RE OUT HERE TO GET ME", people will suspect that you did commit it anyway because people find it suspicious that you'd make such a big deal out of the accusation
    >replies within minutes of a new poster
    You will do the keto diet
    You will listen to the podcasts
    You will eat the bugs
    You will buy keto supplements
    You will browse /r/keto
    You will live in a pod
    You will pay for grift

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      what is this anti keto shit
      keto diet is just a normal diet, you just eat naturally unprocessed food stuffs
      instead of your dinner plate being 70/20/10 of carbs/meat/veg it's flipped in favour of meat/carbs/veg
      keto diet doesn't need any supplements, you're just eating like a wild man, berries, mushrooms a few tubers or w/e and water based veg are acceptable but mostly you eat meat
      morons confusing it with carnivore diet

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        No thanks Dr Shekelberg, I won't live in a pod with you and your three gay cousins

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          enjoy your cake and diet coke fatty

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everything that isn't my balding schizotism fat people diet is cake and soda
            Mental illness at its finest

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        People get moronic if you eat a steak and broccoli but are completely fine with you eating steak, broccoli, and a potato.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Shit of IST for years
        >Often clueless and fundamentally misinformed after watching keto grifters on Youtube
        It's no surprised people mock them on hre.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >people
          It's you.
          One autistic moron constantly posting moron threads.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah there is literally only one person who makes fun of ketolards on here.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          youtubers are 90% clueless on everything and are baiting for views, looking for diet tips on youtube is like watching atlaneanx for exercise tips
          anyway, my first discovery of keto was professor tim noakes and a documentary called the magic pill, which is something everyone should watch, it was very logical and talked about the abbos in austrailia and how they've changed since they met the west and adopted their diet. they reverted their diet back to fish and foraged foods and showed improvements in the group they worked with.

          Absolutely delusional

          nice argument fatty
          i myself have been eating keto/carnivore for a few years now, im 37 and weigh 80kg and i don't need my asthma inhaler anymore (i've had it since i was a child) and i don't have issues from my gout either
          sometimes i'll cheat and eat cake or w/e at a party or just feel like it, the next day when i wake up, i'll have minor pain and a swollen feeling in my right hand.
          my experiences>studies funded by cocacola corp and friends

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >literal ketolard calling others fat
            I kek’d, ngl.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >im 37 and weigh 80kg
              So you’re the middle aged overweight manlet keto stereotype?

              how is 80kg overweight lmao

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't bother, he hates everyone. Literally hates all of humanity. It doesn't matter what anyone says to him, moxyte is just full of hate and will do everything in his power to make you suffer.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >im 37 and weigh 80kg
            So you’re the middle aged overweight manlet keto stereotype?

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muh coca cola
            I didn’t know that coca cola was pushing rice down our throats.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              read

              what is this anti keto shit
              keto diet is just a normal diet, you just eat naturally unprocessed food stuffs
              instead of your dinner plate being 70/20/10 of carbs/meat/veg it's flipped in favour of meat/carbs/veg
              keto diet doesn't need any supplements, you're just eating like a wild man, berries, mushrooms a few tubers or w/e and water based veg are acceptable but mostly you eat meat
              morons confusing it with carnivore diet

              keto diet is a non processed diet, natural carbs are allowed in smaller quantities
              but pic related is the type of rice that their friends want to feed you
              stop being moronic

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                > keto diet is a non processed diet, natural carbs are allowed in smaller quantities
                No, not really.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                But yeah, actually really

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wasn’t asking.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody cares if you were.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yet you answered anyhow.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                There’s no point arguing with regards, anon. Bacon is a processed food, and these morons will literally bend the word keto to fit any diet they want when arguing. They sincerely think people on a whole foods healthy diet are eating lucky charms and rice puffers. And they will also immediately call you a vegan when you debunk their lies. I don’t know a single role model in the fitness world who is on keto shit.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >https://twitter.com/BriannaStubbs
                here's a two times world champion female rower
                now you can apologize

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s a man.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s not keto, it’s low carb.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely delusional

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The WEF israelites literally advocate veganism better than keto.
      Digits and you get sucked into 'cado's butthole.

  39. 12 months ago
    sage

    Yet another reminder that this is a demoralization website.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tell me you’re a fatso without telling me you’re a fatso

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, not really.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous
  40. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone posting in this thread (including me) should be ashamed of themselfs

  41. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bullshit
    The bad cholesterol is from carbs not animal fats
    Another article to cover up vaccine injury no doubt.
    Fun fact the american heart association was set up by Proctor and gamble , who make cotton seed oil.. polyunsaturated fat is what drives heart disease through driving insulin resistance , and small particle cholesterol from the digestion of sugar and grains.. eat all the animal fat you want.. except for processed "meat "garbage.

  42. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CNN
    Will be doing the exact opposite of anything thosr low life bottom feeders have to say. It's a wise choice for all to do so

  43. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >make moronic and false theory
    >use it to discredit anything
    Amazing

  44. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread has convinced me to give up my plant-eating ways and to kill more animals when I eat.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does the ketoschizo samegay so often? This is a perfect example. Directionbrain at its most thinly veiled.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Another animal has died for your post. You must hate animals, fellow carnist.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >everyone who isn't in my fad Hollywood leftist redditor diet is a vegan

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, no, no. I'm killing an animal for anyone who hates on keto, regardless of faith. Another dead, fellow carnist.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Are actually you mentally possibly moronic?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can't possibly be vegan, since by your hand, you've slain 3 animals today alone. More than a carnivore would in a year! Based carnist.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGG-GGGGGGGAGAAAIAIIINS
                directionbrain leftism

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              nice dinner ,anon

  45. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Study this peer reviewed that
    who fricking gives a shit, just eat whatever you like but in moderation and you wont have to worry about some food having 0.0002 grams of le bad cancer causing chemical

  46. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that low carb is not keto.

  47. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when ketos on this board had a shared delusion that anyone who was anti-keto were vegans. That diet truly does attract mentally ill people, it's like a cult. Exclusionary diets just attract the weirdest absolutist homosexuals.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      they probably are vegans, at the moment we are being bombarded by plant based shills in the media and the world over
      they are shilling anti meat cow fart bullshit and blaming eggs for stupid shit like vaxxy heart attacks and global warming

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh vegan psyops
        frick off, fattie. I eat meat and keto is fricking moronic.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's obvious that vegan trannies would like nothing more than to attempt to deboonk a meat heavy diet that actually shows evidence of curing many chronic diseases and significantly contributes to weight loss while retaining muscle
          it blows out their entire set of beliefs

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >shows evidence of curing many chronic diseases
            pfahahahahahahahahah

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5842847/
              it can help against certain cancers too, but keep laughing
              it's common knowledge now that glucose is food for tumors

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it can help
                >it can
                I accept your concession.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.792846/full
                research is still ongoing, but the gist of it is - curing obesity - cures the chronic illnesses

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                How much do you weigh? Can I see what kind of physique keto built?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >curing obesity
                Do you know what else cures obesity? A caloric deficit.
                >cures the chronic illnesses
                You clearly don’t know what the word “cure” means.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                that old man saying this also said ~~*they*~~ are now trying to make a pill to "keep the glucose down to save you from cancer! XD" but thats actually just maintain the cancer in balance so they goyim have to get the pill forever

  48. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Keto-like" here means 120+ grams of carbs per day, which is by no means keto (<20 grams of net carbs per day). Keep believing goysöyence.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Keto-israelite" here
      Ftfy

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s called low carb.

  49. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    The craziest thing about ketoschizos is that some of them literally became research scientists in order to "prove" their own schizo nonsense correct and to get other papers through peer review, just so they could produce their own keto bullshit arguments online "backed by science".

    If you think I'm joking or it's hyperbole it's not. Check out all of those ketoschizo scientists - they're all this same breed of ketoschizo except higher IQ.

    Ketofricks are all fat, balding, look like they're 60 and very irritable due to suffering from lack of any sugar.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was so funny when Gary taubes funded a study to prove keto was better for weight loss than a low fat diet and it failed to prove anything backing him up

  50. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >plant oils are healthy I swea-
    Look up Israeli and French Paradoxes

  51. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    May

    Or may not.

  52. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the oxysterols that you have to watch out for. That is what causes atherosclerosis. Keto diet is chock full of them.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only a problem because of high concentrations in seed oils. Small amounts in olive or coconut oil are probably not an issue

  53. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >keto-like
    It's not actually the keto diet.
    >may be
    Means it's just speculation.

  54. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Open challenge: any ketoschizo who wants to defend their diet-cult will post their own impressive and muscular physique(that means your own body not some internet personality) the only way this board will take you(or anyone else for that matter) seriously. We don't speak science, aesthetics are the language of IST.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most young people don’t care about diet much and most old people don’t look as good due to age. Most people talking about diets are trying to lose weight so don’t look good either. Therefore, the people you are after are going to be hard to find.

      You don’t have to take anybody’s word for a diet though - you can just go try it.

  55. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    nutrientlet here
    doctor said LDLs are really high (~230), likely because of all the whole milk I've been drinking.
    would replacing that with almond milk, and limiting my diet to peanut butter, celery, chicken, and protein powder lower my levels?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are many markers more important than LDL. If you have a low CAC score LDL doesn't matter

  56. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >more vegangays pretending that keto kills people by posting fake n gay "science" articles from mainstream media that usually take studies on lab rats and pretend they equate to humans
    have a nice day.

  57. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder there are zero studies in existence where eating more meat and saturated fat decreases cardiovascular disease incidence. The totality of evidence is completely one sided in that regard. Everything the keto shills say are desperate misdirection attempts from that fact.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are zero valid studies on the other side.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, that is the rhetoric you have to use to dismiss the fact, as I said.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      You vegan dumbasses NEVER cite a single study to back up your claims, only vague "muh science supports my claim because I said so!" type shit. Meanwhile all the omnivore chads have cited numerous studies and anecdotes to back their claims. You people are full of BS, please leave this board and never come back. Alternatively have a nice day right this instant, but I suppose I don't need to tell you that since you're already doing that with your moronic diet, it'll just take a bit longer.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t have to in that regard. It’s enough to know there are zero studies showing improvement in cardio vascular diseases the more meat and saturated fat is consumed. Same applies to kidney and liver diseases. There are tens of thousands of studies done on the topic all around the world for many decades and not a single one of those demonstrates improvement on any of those on increased meat and saturated fat consumption. Let that sink in. If you want to see studies proving my point, be my guest, pick literally any you want.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don’t have to in that regard.
          >I don't need to back up my claims at all! You're wrong and I'm right, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary!
          Holy shit you people are so stupid, not at all surprising though considering the fact that your brain is rotting due to insufficient choline. You will die an early death, while I will live into my 100s while still being active and full of vitality. Go perish in the rotting shell that you call a body you fricking moron

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            I just said you can go ahead and pick any study you want out of tens of thousands, it will not show improvement in cardiovascular disease the more meat and saturated fat is consumed. Read them all if you have to before finally accepting that fact.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because it doesn't affect it negatively or positively you fricking moron, reducing meat and saturated fat consumption doesn't positively affect cardiovascular disease either
              >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

              >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

              >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
              http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

              >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

              >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

              >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

              >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
              https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it does. Every study points to that direction, even the ones you posted.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking hell, you're just trying to gaslight me now, aren't you? Complete and utter inversion of reality, you frickers will never listen to any evidence contrary to your pre-established beliefs. Get the hell out of this board and never come back. If you want to die early, fine I don't care, but don't try to bring others down with you

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not gaslighting. I’m pointing out none of the studies you posted had any indication towards eating more meat and saturated fat leading to less heart disease. All the indicators in them point the other way.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I’m pointing out none of the studies you posted had any indication towards eating more meat and saturated fat leading to less heart disease.
                Holy shit are you fricking illiterate? BECAUSE IT HAS NO EFFECT, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. Stop trying to gaslight people into killing themselves, fricking hell
                >All the indicators in them point the other way.
                Completely and utterly false. Again, all the recent data shows that red meat and saturated fat consumption DOES NOT increase CHD. Period. Unless more data comes out with the opposite conclusion, any statement to the contrary is completely and utterly false, and since you know this, you're actively harming people by claiming that red meat and saturated fat is going to kill you. Stop with the lies. Just stop.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BECAUSE IT HAS NO EFFECT, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE
                NTA, but you're actually moronic if you believe this.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NTA, but you're actually moronic if you believe this.
                Okay, then post studies to back up your claims then! It should be easy, right? Oh, you can't because it's fricking false. Again, refer to

                https://i.imgur.com/DKM4szh.jpg

                >saturated fat, which raises LDL, which is linked to CVD
                Wrong.
                >b-but
                No. You are entirely incorrect.
                >s-source!
                Okay. Sure!
                >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542

                >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24723079

                >The present systematic review provides no evidence (moderate quality evidence) for the beneficial effects of reduced/modified fat diets in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Recommending higher intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids in replacement of saturated fatty acids was not associated with risk reduction.
                http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487.full

                >available evidence from randomized controlled trials provides no indication of benefit on coronary heart disease or all cause mortality from replacing saturated fat with linoleic acid rich vegetable oils.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

                >The current available evidence found no significant difference in all-cause mortality or CHD mortality, resulting from the dietary fat interventions.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27547428/

                >Available evidence from adequately controlled randomised controlled trials suggest replacing SFA with mostly n-6 PUFA is unlikely to reduce CHD events, CHD mortality or total mortality.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28526025/

                >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
                https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

                https://i.imgur.com/oIHIrWu.jpg

                [...]
                >Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association. The AHA stance regarding the strength of the evidence for the recommendation to limit SFAs for heart disease prevention may be overstated and in need of reevaluation.
                https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/78/6/474/5678770

                >Diets that replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat do not convincingly reduce cardiovascular events or mortality.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31142556/

                >Taken together, the evidence from both cohort studies and randomized trials does not support the assertion that further restriction of dietary saturated fat will reduce clinical [cardiovascular] events.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874

                >Findings from the studies reviewed in this paper indicate that the consumption of SFA is not significantly associated with CVD risk, events, or mortality. Based on the scientific evidence, there is no scientific ground to demonize SFA as a cause of CVD. SFA naturally occurring in nutrient-dense foods can be safely included in the diet.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36059207/

                By the way, where do you plan on getting your choline exactly? Remember, the only good sources of choline are eggs and liver. Without those two, hitting the AI for choline is nigh-impossible, and without animal products it is practically impossible unless you want to eat multiple kilos of broccoli, cauliflower, shiitake mushrooms, and beans every single day.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yea they do once you delve in full text. They may say no effect as the confidence is small, but the effect is there and it’s only in one direction: more meat and saturated fat = more heart disease. They get no negative correlation what so ever about that.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the confidence is small

                You actually have no idea how science works. None at all. The confidence intervals of the vast majority of those studies are so shit, they can't be used to establish any trend. They are completely and utterly worthless. Which is why, even with their obvious preconceived biases, because every goddamned researcher alive today has an anti-meat, pro-plant bias, they have to conclude there is no effect.

                >the effect is there and it’s only in one direction

                No you dumb Black person, because the confidence intervals are usually so out there, no correlation can be established in the first place. Worthless, no useable data, waste of everyones time. But you have no training in statistics, so I don't expect you to understand any of it. You moron.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                None of your pathetic rambling removes the fact that all the data you posted only pointed to one direction: more saturated fat and meat = more heart disease. As for how to increase the confidence? More studies. None which show the opposite.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. Wrong on every conceivable level. You could give me a thousand more studies like that, and it wouldn't "increase confidence" even a percentage point. It would just be a thousand more studies filled with trash data. Because you have no fricking idea what a confidence interval IS. You midwit. You Donning Kruger victim. You moron. You can't use self-reported studies to establish ANYTHING to begin with. Absolutely nothing, they are worthless by default.

                You wanna know the way to find out if any diet causes any sort of effect? You take a group of several thousand identical twins, and separate them at birth. You lock them in hospital wards where you control for every variable. You change only their diet, controlling for everything else, sleep, stress levels, everything. You run the study for 50 to 70 years. Congrats, you have actual usable data.

                Yes there is evidence in what you posted. Read it again. Find one plot, graph or table in it that is either completely still at +/-0 or points towards eating more saturated fat lessens heart disease incidence. There is no such thing.

                Sigh. Its pointless. You're lost to God and to Logos

                https://i.imgur.com/nIfwAdc.jpg

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                I await your response.

                Almost an 8pack? Noice

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s exactly why multiple studies are done on same old topics instead of calling it a day after just doing one. To verify and thus increase confidence in the validity of previous studies.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You seem broken at this point. Good.

                Your claims mean nothing until you post body. It's very telling that you completely ignored

                https://i.imgur.com/nIfwAdc.jpg

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                I await your response.

                and instead went after the other anon with a bunch of nonsense instead. Once again, post body. Now.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                That nonsense brings us right back to what I originally wrote ITT
                > Reminder there are zero studies in existence where eating more meat and saturated fat decreases cardiovascular disease incidence. The totality of evidence is completely one sided in that regard. Everything the keto shills say are desperate misdirection attempts from that fact.
                >Everything the keto shills say are desperate misdirection attempts from that fact.
                >Everything the keto shills say are desperate misdirection attempts from that fact.
                How tiresome but thanks for demonstrating.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he STILL won't post body
                AHAHAHAHAH
                Do you not get it yet? Your claims mean NOTHING until you post body. Zilch. Nada. Void. No one will believe anything you have to say until you post body. Your lies mean nothing here. Also
                >KETO KETO KETO KETO
                Bro I eat >300g of carbs per day, does keto live rent free in your head or some shit? The hell is wrong with you?

                [...]
                Layne Norton has a better physique and lifts than both of you and he recognizes LDL as an independent risk factor for CVD.

                >random roidtroony believes in nonsense
                Unsurprising. Again. Post body this instant

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                post studies showing that eating more meat and saturated fat increases cardiovascular disease incidence

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every study ever done on that topic shows that. One posted here

                I just picked some random article from Google Scholar page 5
                https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/5/2/29
                > replacing SFA with whole grains, but not refined carbohydrates, reduces CVD risk. Replacing SFA with protein, especially plant protein, may also reduce CVD risk. While dairy fat (milk, cheese) is associated with a slightly lower CVD risk compared to meat, dairy fat results in a significantly greater CVD risk relative to unsaturated fatty acids

                and several others by keto shill ITT claiming the studies they posted doesn’t show it (they do)

                >he STILL won't post body
                AHAHAHAHAH
                Do you not get it yet? Your claims mean NOTHING until you post body. Zilch. Nada. Void. No one will believe anything you have to say until you post body. Your lies mean nothing here. Also
                >KETO KETO KETO KETO
                Bro I eat >300g of carbs per day, does keto live rent free in your head or some shit? The hell is wrong with you?
                [...]
                >random roidtroony believes in nonsense
                Unsurprising. Again. Post body this instant

                Stop avoiding the topic.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Stop avoiding the topic.
                You're the one side-stepping the fact that you haven't posted body, and you never addressed any of the studies posted previously, since they completely and utterly debunk your moronic claims. Once again, your claims have zero weight because you have not posted body. So post body then! Oh wait, you're morbidly obese. Bit of a problem there innit? Lecturing us about health when you're gonna drop dead in your mid-40s from a heart attack because you weigh over 500lb is a bit silly don't you think?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re broken. Good.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >incoherent nonsense
                Done. Finished. Mindbroken. You're just another vegan jobber in a long line of vegan jobbers. If anything, your stupidity has probably convinced all the lurkers ITT to consume MORE animal products. How do you feel after harming your own cause? Must feel like shit, right? How about you join the winning side, the side that is on the side of the truth?

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Highly doubtful since you keto shills did not even attempt to refute this central point
                > Reminder there are zero studies in existence where eating more meat and saturated fat decreases cardiovascular disease incidence. The totality of evidence is completely one sided in that regard.
                And instead chose to demonstrate the following once again with random screeching
                >Everything the keto shills say are desperate misdirection attempts from that fact.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you read that?
                Anyway, stay shilling your shit. You really need that dirty money.

                https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/case_report/pdf/62846/20210806-1733-1hy19v6.pdf

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only works if their methodologies are sound. Which in this case they're not. Because epidemiological studies cannot in any way infer causation. Or anything else for that matter. Because they are shit.

                But you wouldn't understand why. Because you're dumb as a fricking brick. I'm using very short sentences here because you are very, very stupid.

                >Because it doesn't affect it negatively or positively you fricking moron, reducing meat and saturated fat consumption doesn't positively affect cardiovascular disease either
                Flat out incorrect, not supported by the vast majority of the evidence or any major health agency or government. Your handful of studies doesn't upend this.

                Once again. You prove that you are a moron. Pic related its your body

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I already covered where your “correlation not causation” panic mantra goes wrong here

                Mechanistic causation is known: cholesterol clots in veins blocking blood flow. Rest is merely affirming that is caused by diet.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                > conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, or mortality
                >conclusively… significant…
                Depends entirely on what the authors of that paper deem conclusive and significant. Yet the evidence is there, they are not denying that, and certainly not concluding eating more saturated fat and meat lessens heart disease risk.

                I don’t. I posted a factual statement that there are no studies in existence showing improvement on heart disease on increased saturated fat and meat consumption. It was easily shown that trying to flip that argument word for word is futile.

                None of your pathetic rambling removes the fact that all the data you posted only pointed to one direction: more saturated fat and meat = more heart disease. As for how to increase the confidence? More studies. None which show the opposite.

                I await your response.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you're just trying to gaslight me

                Just catching onto that? There is no debating in good faith with Moxyte, he's literally insane. He will also never post body.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it doesn't affect it negatively or positively you fricking moron, reducing meat and saturated fat consumption doesn't positively affect cardiovascular disease either
                Flat out incorrect, not supported by the vast majority of the evidence or any major health agency or government. Your handful of studies doesn't upend this.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >more gaslighting and nonsense
                Post body. Now.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/mR5jvZt.jpg

                Only works if their methodologies are sound. Which in this case they're not. Because epidemiological studies cannot in any way infer causation. Or anything else for that matter. Because they are shit.

                But you wouldn't understand why. Because you're dumb as a fricking brick. I'm using very short sentences here because you are very, very stupid.
                [...]
                Once again. You prove that you are a moron. Pic related its your body

                Layne Norton has a better physique and lifts than both of you and he recognizes LDL as an independent risk factor for CVD.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              I just said you can go ahead and pick any study you want out of tens of thousands, it will not show worsening in cardiovascular disease the more meat and saturated fat is consumed. Read them all if you have to before finally accepting that fact.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I just picked some random article from Google Scholar page 5
                https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/5/2/29
                > replacing SFA with whole grains, but not refined carbohydrates, reduces CVD risk. Replacing SFA with protein, especially plant protein, may also reduce CVD risk. While dairy fat (milk, cheese) is associated with a slightly lower CVD risk compared to meat, dairy fat results in a significantly greater CVD risk relative to unsaturated fatty acids

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/article-abstract/29/18/2312/6691821?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
                >PubMed, Google scholar, and Scopus were searched for articles published between 2010 and 2021 on the association between SFA consumption and CVD risk and outcomes. A review was conducted examining observational studies and prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, randomized controlled trials (RCTs), systematic reviews and meta-analyses of observational studies and prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, and long-term RCTs. Collectively, neither observational studies, prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, RCTs, systematic reviews, and meta-analyses have conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, or mortality nor a benefit of reducing dietary SFAs on CVD rick, events, and mortality. Beneficial effects of replacement of SFA by polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fat or carbohydrates remain elusive.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                > conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, or mortality
                >conclusively… significant…
                Depends entirely on what the authors of that paper deem conclusive and significant. Yet the evidence is there, they are not denying that, and certainly not concluding eating more saturated fat and meat lessens heart disease risk.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, again. There is no evidence there. They would LOVE for it to be there, too. They would love nothing more. But the data is so incredibly weak, even with their biases they can't claim victory.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes there is evidence in what you posted. Read it again. Find one plot, graph or table in it that is either completely still at +/-0 or points towards eating more saturated fat lessens heart disease incidence. There is no such thing.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I hope you understand I just tried to point out the shill's way with words.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t. I posted a factual statement that there are no studies in existence showing improvement on heart disease on increased saturated fat and meat consumption. It was easily shown that trying to flip that argument word for word is futile.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t. I posted a factual statement that there are no studies in existence showing worsening on heart disease on increased saturated fat and meat consumption. It was easily shown that trying to flip that argument word for word is futile.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                One was just posted

                I just picked some random article from Google Scholar page 5
                https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/5/2/29
                > replacing SFA with whole grains, but not refined carbohydrates, reduces CVD risk. Replacing SFA with protein, especially plant protein, may also reduce CVD risk. While dairy fat (milk, cheese) is associated with a slightly lower CVD risk compared to meat, dairy fat results in a significantly greater CVD risk relative to unsaturated fatty acids

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/article-abstract/29/18/2312/6691821?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
                >PubMed, Google scholar, and Scopus were searched for articles published between 2010 and 2021 on the association between SFA consumption and CVD risk and outcomes. A review was conducted examining observational studies and prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, randomized controlled trials (RCTs), systematic reviews and meta-analyses of observational studies and prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, and long-term RCTs. Collectively, neither observational studies, prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, RCTs, systematic reviews, and meta-analyses have conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, or mortality nor a benefit of reducing dietary SFAs on CVD rick, events, and mortality. Beneficial effects of replacement of SFA by polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fat or carbohydrates remain elusive.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                You seem broken at this point. Good.

  58. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    The guys who b***h about keto are getting as annoying as vegans.

  59. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Endurance expert claims the best energy source is vegan keto

  60. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cnn
    The more these people market me manufactured consent, the more I'm willing to do whatever they're telling me not to, or not do what they tell me to do

  61. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Carbs are the devil! Keto will save me!

  62. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stop eating at a caloric deficit
      >gain weight
      Ohhh noooo brooos did we moron?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is not a long term solution.

  63. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Non controlled nutrition studies and meta analysis studies are bloated trash.

  64. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >THE DEVIL FRICKING INCARNATE!!! THE REASON OF MY OBESITY, I TELL YOU!!!!

  65. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
  66. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk about keto but i have diabetes and i tried the antithesis of keto, a low fat vegan diet, my a1c was still shit even after 2 months of strict diet(from 14% to 9.0%, wich is still a very dangerous level).
    i stopped after reading that a low-fat diet could reduce testosterone production.

    would keto save my shit?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >would keto save my shit?
      carnivore would

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried eating like a normal human, just less? Weight loss is the single biggest rock in the jar for diabetes.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        i am already as thin as an skeleton lol
        my moron doctor still doesn't know if it is type 1 or 2
        my dad is type 2 so i still have my doubts

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like type 1 or maybe 1.5.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          dumb anon here, all I know is

          In type 1 your pancreas can't produce things or something and you starve from inside
          In type 2 insulin can't get sugar into your cells and you get lots of random problems in your body

          I have no idea what doc can help you to know if your pancreas is still alive so go find out

          I've heard in some e-celeb podcast there are studies in rats where it was possible to restore the pancreas B cells that were destroyed in type 1 diabetes

  67. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now that this vegan moron has been utterly BTFO, should I screencap all the shit in this thread for posterity, just so that this fricker can get BTFO the next time he rears his ugly head? Would make things a lot easier, instead of having to repost all the relevant info across 6 different replies

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