Nutritional mediocrity In a world of technical.superiority

We have been to the moon.
We have mapped the human genome
We invented the internet and put it in everyone's pocket.

How come we have no consensus on way a human should eat? I'm not talking on what nutritionists or doctors or YouTube ecelebs say is natural or better for this or that. I'm not talking about what you personally are convinced of - How come there is so much disparity on what HUMAN BEINGS should EAT? Nobody says we should have taken a bicycle to the moon, nobody says the cellphone is useless, nobody says we really haven't mapped the genome. What the chunk?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meat and associated fat of large ruminant animals, cooked or raw. Eggs/dairy if you want and you can tolerate them. No organs, no fruit, no honey.
    1:8 to 1:10 Fat: Meat ratio in grams, so no fricking Jimmy Moore pics homosexual.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its like you didnt even read OP

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, on;y the first sentence.

        There is so much confusion because proper clinical trials on humans are expensive, impractical, and immoral. Then there the zog/nwo agenda that has utterly compromised academic discourse on the subject of nutrition in order to push plant and bug diets for the environment (aka to enslave you).

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      3/4 protein diet? Have fun crashing your hormones

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pay no attention to the low carb shills

        Too much of a good thing is bad for you. That's pretty much it. Liver has too much copper, A and maybe iron. Only ever eat them in proportion to the animal, so that's one whole beef liver for over a year. Still not required, though.

        >strawman

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hi Bart Kay, didn't know you browsed IST

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bart Kay's autism cannot be defeated.

        3/4 protein diet? Have fun crashing your hormones

        I said fat: meat, not fat: protein moron.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Bart Kay's autism cannot be defeated.
          oh it can't?
          ask him why there's a healthy range of blood lipids in every animal

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you implying that the atherosclerosis that plant sterile enjoyers have at higher rates than carnivore enjoyers is within your supposed "healthy range"?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why no organs?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Too much of a good thing is bad for you. That's pretty much it. Liver has too much copper, A and maybe iron. Only ever eat them in proportion to the animal, so that's one whole beef liver for over a year. Still not required, though.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          For a year that makes zero sense you can eat a little per week

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vitamin A poisoning.
        Vitamin A toxicity causes birth defects and a list of about 100 others very severe side-effects.
        The thing is the liver binds up any retinol we consume very quickly, but once the liver's storage capacity is reached most of the carotenoids and retinol consumed will deposit in our tissues and trigger autoimmune diseases and skin peeling.

        Topical vitamin A causes skin to peel off and become thin, and destroy the stem cells - this is well known when it is used as a skincare product.
        The thing is when your liver's storage capacity for vitamin A is filled up ... you get vitamin A toxicity, and it will burn every single tissue in your body.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >water is deadly in high enough amounts therefore never drink

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No organs
      Organ meat is good for you.
      > no fruit, no honey
      moronic take. Humans do quite well with organic fruit and raw honey in their diets. Average prehistorical human diet still had around 40% fruit+vegetable sources of nutrition depending on the location and season. Humans are not obligate carnivores, they are facultative carnivores that require a certain amount of plant sources of nutrition like fruits in addition to meat to thrive in general. A modern human being who is sufficiently active will easily thrive on a 50/50 meat/plant diet and will benefit if the food is all high quality.

      Too much of a good thing is bad for you. That's pretty much it. Liver has too much copper, A and maybe iron. Only ever eat them in proportion to the animal, so that's one whole beef liver for over a year. Still not required, though.

      You can safely eat 0.5 lb liver/week which comes out to more along the lines of 2 cow livers/year. You may even be able to go up to 4 livers/year depending on your nutritional needs. Cow lungs (a common ingredient in beef sausages) are rich in vitamin C and other nutrients. Hearts are also delicious and nutritious. If you want to go on a 100% carnivore diet specifically, then you really need to include a variety of organ meats fairly regularly. Else you're going to have problems without supplementation.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >40% fruit+vegetable sources of nutrition depending on the location and season
        That would depend on your race, wouldn't it? Also, it would have been 5% plant calories, despite the significant volume, fat from gut fermentation, too.
        >You can safely eat 0.5 lb liver/week which comes out to more along the lines of 2 cow livers/year. You may even be able to go up to 4 livers/year depending on your nutritional needs.
        You know this how? Every carnivore influencer who has eaten liver regularly eventually had issues with iron overload and elevated SHGB.
        >rich in vitamin C
        The vitamin C requirement while on an almost zero-carb diet is in the nanograms range. Cooked meat has enough C to satisfy your requirements.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      you gays have never taken a walk in the woods. ever seen wild berries? theyre fricking delicious, and you know damn well homies been eating them for a minute

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meh. Take em or leave em. Seasonal berries are hardly a relevant component of the diet, especially in terms of calories.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    experiments on humans are much more limited, unreliable and always going to be clouded by opinions and feelings, not to mention have to adhere to social and ethical norms.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody is talking about tests or studies. How can humans not know their natural diet?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        they know, the problem arises when you remove physical activity and exertion from the equation
        there is no inherently unhealthy food, you just instinctively eat more than you need
        because thats the enviroment you evolved in

        this is what you have to fricking understand about nutrition

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How come we have no consensus on way a human should eat?
    Do we? Or is it just not talked about much because carnivore schizos want their way of eating to be the best? In most studies comparing diets, the Mediterranean diet comes out on top as the best for longevity. It's similar to the diet recommended by cardiologists as well. I'd say that's quite a bit of consensus.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing you said is relevant at all even a little

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It directly answers your OP.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It does not in any way
          >Do we? Or is it just not talked about much because carnivore schizos want their way of eating to be the best?
          Useless rhetorical speculation
          >In most studies
          Doesnt refute my claim of no consensus
          >comparing diets
          Irrelevant. My claim wasnt comparative
          >Mediterranean diet comes out on top as the best for longevity
          Implying the best diet results in longevity and is based on processed oils, clearly unnatural
          >It's similar to the diet recommended by cardiologists as well
          Again, no consensus
          > I'd say that's quite a bit of consensus
          Wrong

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            If your definition of consensus is everyone agreeing then your OP is false too. A lot of schizos think humans haven't been on the moon. Likewise, people will never agree on diet topics - you'll always have carnivore schizos, ketoschizos, etc. But restrict the opinions you're even considering to people who are qualified, and there's quite a bit of agreement on the best diets (Mediterranean, DASH, etc.) Not full consensus but a lot.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >A lot of schizos think humans haven't been on the moon.
              Mentally I'll people are not professionals or researchers

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I'm saying. As far as I can tell, there isn't as much disagreement on diet among professionals as among ISTners.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I'm saying. As far as I can tell, there isn't as much disagreement on diet among professionals as among ISTners.

                https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Moxie please leave the thread, we are trying to figure out something important

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >carnivore schizos
      Do you have
      ANY
      idea just how many domesticated cows exist on planet Earth now?

      No, like, seriously. Cows. Animal husbandry, domestic, farmers' cows. Like, seriously, do you know? Has it ever crossed your mind? Across the ENTIRE planet Earth. Not even just America or France or India. How humans, ALL humans, have come to understand just how
      FRICKING VALUABLE
      a cow is to their diet?

      Holy shit.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What are you even trying to say you make no sense

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not surprised.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not calling everyone who eats meat a schizo. I meant the people who have made eating red meat in most meals and avoiding vegetables their personality. They're just as annoying as the militant vegans, probably even less healthy, and don't even have the excuse of ethics.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Okinawa chinks say its pork and vegetables and those people live pretty long.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pork
      absolutely haram

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How come we haven't reached a concensus on whether the Earth is round or flat?

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient Greeks ate lbs of beef every day.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They also sodomized young boys and worshipped statues

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The age gap is often exaggerated. Pretty much every society in history was against actual pedophilia.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Massive cope

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Massive cope

        >Massive cope
        Not at all. In most depictions of pederasty that actually date back to ancient Greece, the younger partner has a full adult height and shoulder width but no beard, while the order partner has a beard but no male pattern baldness. This gives us an age range of mid-late teens to early twenties and early-mid twenties to early thirties, respectively. It also lines up with the age at which a girl was considered ready for marriage, which was about 14-15. At 16, men were considered ready for military service.
        The ancient Greeks simply considered 14-15 to be the age of majority. In their eyes, pederastic relationships were between adults. In fact, there was an emphasis on the consent of the boy. The boy could choose his older lover freely (which wasn't always true for women btw), and the older lover was expected to teach him love and maturity so that he would be already experienced when he enters his first relationship with a woman.
        An example life history of an aristocratic ancient Greek could go like this:
        >15-21 - in a pederastic relationship as the younger lover
        >23-29 - in a pederastic relationship as the older lover
        >30 - got a 16 year old wife, planning to stay with her until death
        Anyway, my point is that while many historical societies considered adulthood to start several years earlier than the current global standard of 18, raping small children was NEVER acceptable.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >raping small children was NEVER acceptable.
          >15-21
          >15
          >NEVER

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            15 is peak fertility

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            In many historical societies, 15 has been considered adult.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Good for them

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    People are not all the same and you should just eat what your ancestors ate. If you're a mutt then good luck!

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    People refuse to agree. Arguments are fun to psychos, and psychos are the loudest.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is consensus about some subjects meaning majority of the studies have similar findings. You guys are just too paranoid and follow niche youtubers.
    >Processed food bad. Most processed foods are using cheap oils and chemical preservatives.
    >Vegetables and fruits are good because they have vitamins and antioxidants.
    >Protein is necessary. You can get it either from plant or animal. Most plant proteins are not complete proteins except for tofu, so you need to eat two different vegetables that have amino acids the other one is missing.
    >Don't eat too many calories or you get fat.

    That's more than sufficient "science" to have an idea of what you should be eating.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fact fact fact
      >fact fact fact
      >fact CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL EXPLAIN ROUNDABOUT EXPLAIN UHH UMM CONDITIONAL ENOUGH UHH
      >fact
      How about "eat meat."

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Both water and Gatorade can keep you hydrated. I will still add the condition that Gatorade may have too many calories and cause weight gain. All the above statements are still true.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Money.

    Big Food, Big Pharma, the fast food industry etc make bank on people eating unhealthily and new fad diets cycling into popularity every 18 months. Not knowing what to eat and succumbing to every new diet makes some people lots of money.

    The Soviets probably invented the ideal diet somewhere along the line, the info just didn't make it out.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't blame people for not knowing this because tradition has been very carefully taken away from you but the truth is that we've known the answer for a very long time and we'll know it again after the homosexual era ends and it's beef, butter, and potatos with some organ meats and/or vegetables on the side.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everybody wants to see an Olympic athlete compete as the highest performing humans on the planet.
      Quickly after, they dismiss all those achievements as "born that way" and refuse to listen to the diet they consume or the exercises they practice to meet such perfect standards.

      >HAH! I look better than a marathon runner!
      >Therefore I'm better than EVERY Olympic athlete!!
      >Now hurry up with my McDonald's soda XXXL and don't forget the 7 extra ranch dips I told you I wanted!!!
      >I'm beautiful~

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        We all know soda is bad. People just don't care because it feels good. I'm talking about the new obsession with plants and the idea that red meat isn't healthy when I say that tradition was carefully taken from people.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    there is a lot of agreement among people who are not moronic
    >avoid all processed foods
    >don't eat too much
    >eat mostly vegetables, but some meat too
    here, most of your diet problems solved in three sentences

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks much better.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a lot of you fail to understand is that different ethnic groups respond very differently to certain diets. Adutch guy's optimal diet is likely going to have tons more dairy than some southeast asian. Aure we can adapt but our gut biome and enzyme production is very much linked to genetics, id imagine. As a Caucasian id say lean meats, fish and vegetables should be the staple of your diet with little bits of everything else for variety (bit of nuts, bit of unprocessed carbs, bit of shellfish, bit of fruit, bit of exotic ect.)

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because eating is a sensory experience and we in general have zero consensus on any sensory experience. Nutrition is measurable but as long as it's tied to the senses it will always have people who argue about it because preferences exist and people want to fit them in

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating is an easy and pleasurable thing to experience, thus people like to think we can make drastic changes in our life if we eat a certain way, as apposed to making actual changes. Remember eating is generally a pleasurable experience. Grifters and other influencers have taking advantage of this by tricking people into thinking they can fix all of their healthy problems and become a giga chad if they eat their super special diet. Even better if they can chip into the schizo market by making it seem like what is recommended to us by major health organizations is actually killing us(see seed oils). This makes people feel special for feeling like they know something nobody else does, and they feel good because they think they are making drastic positive changes in their life just by doing a pleasurable activity like eating.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We have been to the moon.
    >We have mapped the human genome
    >We invented the internet and put it in everyone's pocket.

    I'm sure your contribution was tremendous

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How come we have no consensus on way a human should eat?
    There's been consensus for a long time, the extreme diet schizos are just so loud that it appears there isn't real consensus. The truth is diet has been figured out for a long time. Eat lean protein like chicken often. Eat Red meat like steak but less often. Eat vegetables and complex carbs like sweet potatoes and oats. Avoid refined carbs like white flour and opt for whole grains. Eat fruit and vegetables. Avoid fried oily food. Avoid junk food. There you go, thats literally all you need to know.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We have been to the moon.
    Nope
    >We have mapped the human genome
    No we haven't
    >We invented the internet and put it in everyone's pocket.
    Most people don't have access, still.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We have been to the moon.
    I've never been there. Have you?
    >We have mapped the human genome
    I've never seen a gene in my life.
    >We invented the internet and put it in everyone's pocket.
    I haven't invented anything in my life. Moreover, how can I put gigantic communications network in my pocket? I don't have big enough pockets for that.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what is the best, or even good, diet. I have a hard time with diets because I keep getting memed on.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We have been to the moon.
    yeah and we "accidentally" "lost" the technology haha so weird

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How is that weird? That's what happens by default. Think for a moment before posting anon.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How come we have no consensus on way a human should eat?
    You cannot understand modern society until you understand that every aspect of it is designed to physically, mentally, spiritually, financially, genetically, and collectively weaken you.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think its because the human body can adapt so well, so no one knows what the ideal diet is. It's the reason fat fricks can consume a processed diet and still continue to function, albeit in a limited manner for the rest of their lives. There are people that go vegan and feel great, some can go carnivore and feel great. I feel like I eat relatively healthily, although I occasionally eat fast food and I feel great.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The core issue is economic because there's no way to make healthier people and have it be economically viable. You can't even make less people. There is no ability in our current system to downscale without cataclysm. The closest thing we have is cyclical trends because you don't have to be right forever just a few years.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The core issue is economic
      Wrong

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Capitalism:
    -the agriculture industry profits off of addictive damaging food and the healthcare industry profits off of the resulting health problems; those profits can go toward funding biased research, biased medical associations, and lobbying
    -different sectors of the agriculture industry fund conflicting research in an attempt to boost/protect their own profits
    >Individualism:
    -places responsibility for the food environment (created by the agriculture industry), food choice, and physical activity onto the consumers, thus protecting the industry from blame for health problems and limiting interest/funding for legitimate nutrition research
    >Genetics and lifestyle variability:
    -dietary recommendations may be beneficial, neutral, or harmful depending on the individual's genes / activity levels / health status

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the tl;dr is that there isn't a real consensus outside of super generic obvious shit because 1) research suggests that people react differently to the same meals. Genetic variance is very much tied to reactions to different foods, so you can't exactly just throw something out that will work for everyone, because there isn't.
    2) signal to noise is low. There is a general consensus on very specific questions for a lot of things, but most people don't know how to ask the right question or look for the answer. "is red meat bad for you" is a nonsense question without context. In relation to what? In who? In elderly people you can expect a totally different result than younger people. In terms of what do you mean by "bad"? In addition, people moron-post studies here as if they know how to interpret them. No distinction between observational studies and randomized control trials. Absolutely no nuance in results of measurements. The noFap paper comes to mind. First its a shit paper, but the funniest part is the "evidence": you stop jerking off, nothing changes in your testosterone, then at like day 6/7 (I can't be bothered to look it up), there is a very slight blip that is....entirely useless, and then it immediately goes back down. Its hilarious that this led to "NOFAP INCREASES TEST" bullshit.
    2.5) the lack of focus on effect size in science and instead the focus on significance. I'm a scientist (I don't give a frick if you believe me) and unfortunately science is very p-value focused (IS IT SIGNIFICANT?!) and not effect size focused (eating only plums increases lifespan! From 79 years to 79.2 years!)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the lack of focus on effect size in science and instead the focus on significance.
      I am not scientist (only read scientific papers as a hobby), but this pisses me off too. I wish we had a better paradigm than just NHST.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tldr
      >five paragraphs

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