real humans only "work out" when they get a boost of hormones and decides to run around in the forest or jump in the trees and look for beta weak prey animals
You are making the point for him. You just say alright without explaining why he is wrong. This is what happens when you've been fed disinformation all your life and you take it as absolute fact now.
There are no benefits to working out. It causes stress and injury upon the body, along with your joints wearing down.
Yes, make the most ridiculous and embarrassing comparison that you think is some kind of gotcha.
Food is needed to sustain life and run the body. How on earth are you comparing that with working out? The absolute state of low iq people. Just further proof you can't even answer to what was said.
>keep bones strong and healthy >keep joints strong and healthy >muscle mass for healthy metabolism >look good >feels good to be active >better sleep >aerobic activity keeps brain healthy >stress outlet >stay mobile
if you don’t use it you literally lose it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bones are kept strong and healthy via diet. Nobody has brittle bones with calcium and vit k2. The joints, tendons, etc. are also kept strong by diet. Healthy metabolism is achieved by begin a healthy weight, with a, wait for it, healthy diet. That also makes you look good, improves sleep.
Everything you said has nothing to do with working out. That tears muscles, damages them, they need repairing, wears joints down. Nobody is saying sit on your ass all day eating pizza.
You walk places, occasionally run, do some manual labor at times. But with a good diet, raw milk, eggs, meat, blood.
What he said is 100% true. You're just parroting the guy in the video.
You think some ancient Germanic warrior starting lifting rocks for an hour a day for no reason, or running up and down his village for an hour? Lmao. Get real. 99.9% of the posters here do this to increase their chances of getting pussy. That's all it is about.
>It causes stress and injury upon the body, along with your joints wearing down.
That IS the benefit. Iron sharpens iron.
>Food is needed to sustain life and run the body.
So is exercise. Or, let's put it like that: Diverse movements for hours every day.
Funny, how I also can guarantee this guy has a better body than you.
Let the REALITY speak for itself, and nor regurgitating shit you have heard all your life. If the 70s food pyramid was totally wrong, is it possible what you believe about working out too could be wrong?
It's just ignorance. It really is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>lifted before >still lifts >says lifting bad, just eat raw meat
From fake nattys to fake untrained, kek
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, because he is learning all the time. Nobody is saying you can't lift, but that it comes with no health benefits apart from aesthetics. If you want that sure, but don't peddle lifting weights to injure and shock the body, and having to eat surplus calories to be processed by your organs to repair and keep the muscle mass is healthy. It simply is not. Not to mention many lifters have body dysmorphia.
All the scientists involved in life extension, from living longer to living healthy, lack of cancers, and looking youthful at best promote very light exercise. None of them promote bodybuilding lol. And I think they understand the body better than some fitness guy on steroids or whatever.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bro, then just dont lift lmao, nobody cares about your shitty copes about why you are being a pathetic dyel on a board reserved for fitness.
s it possible, wait for it, I will tell you something groundbreaking, that the athlete had a better diet while the non-athlete just ate processed junk?
You read my post and replied with this? Yeah, you totally don't understand the most basic of correlation is not causation. I think we're done here. I'm really only looking for discourse with those of an IQ over 75.
>no b-but you see y-you're wrong, it's the diet that builds muscle and not excessive
even if presented with irrefutable proof you're still pissing yourself over trying to prove your nonsensical points. How about you read actual research papers instead of trusting some moron spouting about "nature ways"
continue your life doing nothing, I'm sure your body will appreciate it in 50 years.
>it's the diet that builds muscle and not excessive
Of course it is. We know high protein will retain muscle mass; while low will result in muscle loss. Why are you even on here if you think exercise builds muscle and not diet. Exercise breaks down muscle, the diet then builds it back bigger.
>with irrefutable proof
LOL.
>How about you read actual research papers
I have. Many. It's my job. Yours is likely still in high school.
You literally think for thousands of years every human was out of shape because they didn't pick up heavy things 5 times a week, or they didn't run around their village for an hour a day. Yet we also know most health issues come today from, let me think, oh yeah, poor diet.
Bad diet; bad health. Good diet; good health. Picking up a heavy item and putting it down contributes nothing to do. It merely stresses the body forcing it to grow, but growth isn't synonymous with good health.
Maybe you need to educate yourself a little more.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Of course it is. We know high protein will retain muscle mass
Where do you get this muscle mass? From laying around your bed all day, doing nothing?
>Why are you even on here if you think exercise builds muscle and not diet. Exercise breaks down muscle, the diet then builds it back bigger.
While yes, diet does help you in that regard, You can gain muscle on LITERAL 0 CALORIES. Ask someone who never lifted a weight in their life do so. Their muscle will become bigger and stronger to some extent, as I said, on a shitty diet or even 0 calories.
>I have. Many. It's my job.
You haven't and it shows
>You literally think for thousands of years every human was out of shape because they didn't pick up heavy things 5 times a week, or they didn't run around their village for an hour a day.
What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
not him but hunter gatherers were way more sedentary than it sounds, they didnt do shit all the time, way more leisure time over us actually
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yep. But they great natural diet kept them fit and healthy. That poster is someone who thinks in the past people worked 20 hours a day or something lol.
Look at ingenuous peoples. What did they do all day? Not much. Especially non-agricultural ones. Kill a few animals, catch a few fish.
Yet they were all lean, healthy, and have good muscle mass.
Now look at them, like pacific islanders. Obese, unhealthy, high blood pressure. What changed? THEIR DIET.
Their diet was the key to their health. Not working out . Jeez.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Where do you get this muscle mass? From laying around your bed all day, doing nothing?
What are you talking about? Humans have muscles on their body. Are you saying everyone not at a gym has just bones? And that all through history men just had bones? People have normal muscle mass. Gym muscle is not normal. The body tries everything not to build that, because it's not natural and expensive to the body. Hence you must shock it to grow. But still, muscle is created via diet and not gym. Muscle is broken down at the gym.
>You can gain muscle on LITERAL 0 CALORIES
Muscle building requires proteins, or more specifically, amino acids. Now you are saying someone can not eat and grow muscles. You're just a troll at this point.
>You haven't and it shows
I have transformed many people from obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes etc. to normal and healthy. With diet. Not gym.
>What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
You're so smart you can't even understand what he and I are saying. Nobody said sit in a bed all day. You go out, walk, do some work. At times run. But you do not have to go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy things to make you healthy.
If you have no health conditions and are lean, you are healthy. If you are in poor health and overweight, how many professions say oh just go lift some weights? NONE. What do they say? Change your diet. ALL OF THEM.
So health comes from diet. Not weight lifting.
Lmao can't believe people like this are real. Oh, and my IQ is 155.
>all that reddit spacing
back to facebook, tourist Black person
1 year ago
Anonymous
>zoomer attention span can't read more than 2 sentences >has no refute >gets schooled >throws in racism
I have been on IST since 2005. I am 41 years old. My friend is Igor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's what made them so easy to conquer.
Don't fricking compare savages to Europeans, even 5,000 years ago people who the Romans considered Barbarians could work iron wear pants.
Theses people are not indicative of how the white man behaved at an earlier phase in his development they are just morons.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm merely talking about how health is related to diet, and not lifting things. Not about how smart they were. But said Romans and Barbarians too were in shape due to diet, and not heavy lifting. Lifting heavy weights for health is some modern invention. Good diet and health has been around forever.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You fricking moron
Greeks and Romans 100% did weight train.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Idiot. That's a feat of strength; not an indicator of working out.
You're the kind of person who believes because a few pots with men diddling boys was on them, the whole society diddled kids. Roman soldiers generally only ate 1 meal per day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Holy shit
They literally invented weightlifting and made single handled weights out of stone and lead.
Just frick off
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That's a feat of strength; not an indicator of working out
Please find me a single person who can deadlift or OHP 300lbs without working out.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That's a feat of strength >not an indicator of working out.
morons, schizos and trolls keep spewing sewage. IST randos continue gobbling it all up and licking the bucket clean.
NIHIL NOVUS SUB SOLE
1 year ago
Anonymous
they literally had dumbbells moron. Or technically it's more similair to kettlebells, but still.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>. Lifting heavy weights for health is some modern invention.
Lucius Seneca the famous roman philosopher mentioned roman patricians lifting heavy weights for strength conditioning. Ancient people absolutely understood the connection between eating a lot and weight training to get stronger and bigger.
1 year ago
Anonymous
dude not even him but whats so hard to understand? does same engine last longer with or without turbo? sure turbo squeezes out more, but lasts less
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Where do you get this muscle mass? From laying around your bed all day, doing nothing?
What are you talking about? Humans have muscles on their body. Are you saying everyone not at a gym has just bones? And that all through history men just had bones? People have normal muscle mass. Gym muscle is not normal. The body tries everything not to build that, because it's not natural and expensive to the body. Hence you must shock it to grow. But still, muscle is created via diet and not gym. Muscle is broken down at the gym.
>You can gain muscle on LITERAL 0 CALORIES
Muscle building requires proteins, or more specifically, amino acids. Now you are saying someone can not eat and grow muscles. You're just a troll at this point.
>You haven't and it shows
I have transformed many people from obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes etc. to normal and healthy. With diet. Not gym.
>What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
You're so smart you can't even understand what he and I are saying. Nobody said sit in a bed all day. You go out, walk, do some work. At times run. But you do not have to go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy things to make you healthy.
If you have no health conditions and are lean, you are healthy. If you are in poor health and overweight, how many professions say oh just go lift some weights? NONE. What do they say? Change your diet. ALL OF THEM.
So health comes from diet. Not weight lifting.
Lmao can't believe people like this are real. Oh, and my IQ is 155.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Oh, and my IQ is 155.
I'm not even gonna respond to anything else you wrote because by writing that nonsense you literally proved that I've been arguing with an actual borderline moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>gets owned >too fragile to admit he is wrong
I'm also taller and stronger than you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Nobody said sit in a bed all day. You go out, walk, do some work. At times run. But you do not have to go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy things to make you healthy.
Oh, so your point isn't that we don't need exercise to be healthy, it's that in muh natural life you get enough exercise to be healthy incidentally
Well maybe, but when you get your food from typing shit into a computer instead of from hunting and gathering, you no longer get that incidental exercise, and you need to replace it with artficial exercise to stay healthy
>no b-but you see y-you're wrong, it's the diet that builds muscle and not excessive
even if presented with irrefutable proof you're still pissing yourself over trying to prove your nonsensical points. How about you read actual research papers instead of trusting some moron spouting about "nature ways"
continue your life doing nothing, I'm sure your body will appreciate it in 50 years.
its no coincidence the oldest people on earth are skinny grandmas who probably dont do much movement other than their daily walks. You never see a 90 year old who did hard labor their whole life
pretty sure he works out himself, he is just simply stating how the fact the we lift is kindof moronic. his message isnt meant to be taken as a religious belief
Ludwig was at 1 or 2 Sv3rige meetups and fell in with Sv3riges inner circle, he even sent Sv3rige his blood (vid since deleted when he and luna drinks it), he then got invited to go to the US with Sv3rige/Gatis but 1 day before the departure Gatis found out that Ludwig likes the Sauna so Gatis broke all contact with Ludwig, cancelled is trip and made him his enemy. Over the ideological question if we should be allowed to sauna
he literally said at the end of the video that you could workout if you wanted to if you have strong hormones from drinking blood. Stop trying to misrepresent the views of the king of IST
>bone structure
He means being tall and having strong bones. This is true in nature. Muscles are unnatural >training useless
Yes it wastes time and it gets you out of your comfort zone for no reason
Sv3rige lifts in the gym, he admits it himself. I suspect he sees it as a guilty pleasure, something unnatural he dont really want people see him doing
then I have the jaw of a whale. dude looks fairly decent and I saw his gf, blond, not fat, 7/10. it's either the diet he's shilling or he is going to the gym hiding it
If you were not a peasant you were a soldier and you were training your body in different ways. Even in peace the royalty had to be ready for war or an honor fight. The weak, died.
I mean your arteries start getting blocked up, so how do you reverse that? Do you.. Start working out, going for runs?
Or do you use a diet that removes something such as arterial calcification and instead places the calcium in the bones. Then you get a healthy heart and strong healthy bones.
The exercise would no nothing, possibly even make it more likely you have a cardiac arrest. Heck, even all lifters know without a good diet, they will not achieve anything. And that's because diet is key to health, exercise is not. He's 100% right.
he isnt totally wrong overworking your body will obviously frick you up, just as none will, go to park, do some light stuff couple times a week and you should be pretty damn fine
>Look at people who train >Strong, lean, healthy, happy >Look at people who don't train >Weak, fat or skinny fat, ill, miserable
No argument is better than reality, and nothing this tard says will change that.
Just because you have big muscles and are strong is not an indicator of health, nor is being lean. 6% massive muscled bodybuilders are not healthy. Nor is a generalization about people like that are all happy, which is most cases, the live that lifestyle due to unhappiness and poor body image.
In the same way normal people who do not train and eat good, are not fat, they are average strength, they have a healthy bodyfat level, which the body needs, and thus are in a better mental state.
Your so called "reality" is nothing closely related to reality at all. Just junk generalizations you made up in your head using circular logic.
>people who don't train are unhappy >they are unhappy because i said so >this is my proof people who do not train are unhappy
>Your so called "reality" is nothing closely related to reality at all. Just junk generalizations you made up in your head using circular logic.
who don't train are unhappy >>they are unhappy because i said so >>this is my proof people who do not train are unhappy
you are literally saying the same thing with: >Nor is a generalization about people like that are all happy, which is most cases, the live that lifestyle due to unhappiness and poor body image.
>people who train are unhappy >they are unhappy because I said so >this is my proof people who do train do so because they are unhappy
>Because men with muscle dysmorphia rarely seek treatment, estimating its prevalence in the general population is hard, but it is believed that about 10-12% of professional male weightlifters meet the criteria.
Now 10-12% of people who do not work out in the gym do not report that makes them unhappy.
You're like a person who corrects someone for spelling something correctly, then you spell it wrong. Embarrassing. It doesn't even appear you can even grasp what circular reasoning means.
Taking roids and bodybuilding is not fitness, neither is starving yourself to become more shredded. Sporting events, athleticism and the pursuit of longevity are fitness. So by your logic there is very rarely and actual fitness thread posted here.
Jesus Christ this guy is still around? I guess picking on vegans got too mainstream so now he has to be contrarian with something else. Anything this guy has ever said is pure contrarian drivel, no wonder he has some fans on here. Also the Bioneer would embarrass him in a debate. there's probably a difference of about 50 IQ points between the two.
> Also the Bioneer would embarrass him in a debate. there's probably a difference of about 50 IQ points between the two.
Having an Iq of 100 isn’t something to be proud of
honestly i think there is no better alternative right now than light workouts and keeping healthy weight, not lifting too heavy obviously. we cant afford sitting on ass and doing as we please, and keeping decent weight is way better than eating all that junk we basically have to more or less. ideally if you are trust fund baby u could get away what hes saying, good weight and low stress is ideal, but good weight at cost of some stress>flabby since u will end up putting even more strain with extra fat on yourself imo
Well you just eat a natural diet, and do some light weights, a little running and walking, few body-weight exercises, some calisthenics.
That will put you in the best shape.
I can't believe people here proselytise think going to the gym 5 days a week, being some 230lbs 5'8" muscle guy, consuming masses of calories daily is how you get healthy. Just ridiculous.
cardiovascular fitness / vo2 max is associated with a 500% decrease in all cause mortality
Muscular fitness / mass is associated with a 350% decrease in all cause mortality.
To give you perspective on mortality risk, smoking will increase your all cause mortality risk by ~60% if you smoke around 30 cigarettes a day.
Exercise is the easiest way to improve your muscular and cardiovascular fitness which will improve your life in every single measure of quality of life there is. Everything from your sleep to your pain levels to your mood to your body's ability to take illness or have medical procedures done like surgery is positively affected.
Ripping on the bioneer is probably the shittiest thing to do because he tends to promote fitness that isn't as structured as a traditional lifting program. He promotes more obscure ways to train and a lot of his shots of him training are shots of him doing it outside and in parks, instead of being in a gym. He tries to make fitness more accessible to people and opens people up to all the ways you can improve your fitness.
Why is this the only board that tries to actively discourage people from the hobby that it's about?
You post something like this in any other board and your ass would be serving a 3 day vacation.
I've stopped working out for 15 days now while taking thyroid and aspirin daily and my tendons around the sternum are not tight or popping anymore, my elbow tendonitis is getting better which it hasn't done consistently for the past 2 years and the back of my neck isn't tight anymore. I dunno about you guys but I'm starting to think stressing your shit on top of all the daily stressors in ones life might not be the play.
Well when I extrapolate I think I'm done working out for months from now on at least, I'll keep all stressors to a minimum and see if some issues I have resolve.
he did address balding in his old videos claiming eating raw meat will cure him kek
Balding is the surefire sign that something is metabolically wrong; it's the canary in the coal mine of the 20 and 30-something today.
Balding has little to do with genetics like most diseases, it's almost all due to your environment; your food (from newborn to now), the pollution around you, how much you get stressed daily from things imposed to you etc...
nope it's dht sensitivity in the scalp. it can be stopped with drugs
1 year ago
Anonymous
And why is there DHT accumulating in the scalp? I don't know the root cause(s) of balding but it is not DHT alone, DHT accumulation is an effect stemming from something else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't know
True
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't know either
it stems from shit genes usually
No it doesn't, it stems from shit environment disrupting your metabolism in many more ways than merely accumulating DHT in your scalp. Why is baldness corelated with heart disease if it's purportedly just one gene coding for hair that is the issue?
1 year ago
Anonymous
high t also correlates with heart problems and high dht correlates with high t. so idk
Clearly there are negatives to the kind of lifestyle roid trannies live considering so many of them destroy their joints and die young. I wouldn't call what they do fitness.
>there's zero (0) health benefits to working out
Alright.
Das rite, what about it manmade-slave boi...
real humans only "work out" when they get a boost of hormones and decides to run around in the forest or jump in the trees and look for beta weak prey animals
>Alright.
You are making the point for him. You just say alright without explaining why he is wrong. This is what happens when you've been fed disinformation all your life and you take it as absolute fact now.
There are no benefits to working out. It causes stress and injury upon the body, along with your joints wearing down.
>there are no benefits to eating food
>it causes stress and injury to your pancreas, kidneys and intestines, along with your heart wearing down
see what I did there?
>see what I did there?
Yes, make the most ridiculous and embarrassing comparison that you think is some kind of gotcha.
Food is needed to sustain life and run the body. How on earth are you comparing that with working out? The absolute state of low iq people. Just further proof you can't even answer to what was said.
>keep bones strong and healthy
>keep joints strong and healthy
>muscle mass for healthy metabolism
>look good
>feels good to be active
>better sleep
>aerobic activity keeps brain healthy
>stress outlet
>stay mobile
if you don’t use it you literally lose it
Bones are kept strong and healthy via diet. Nobody has brittle bones with calcium and vit k2. The joints, tendons, etc. are also kept strong by diet. Healthy metabolism is achieved by begin a healthy weight, with a, wait for it, healthy diet. That also makes you look good, improves sleep.
Everything you said has nothing to do with working out. That tears muscles, damages them, they need repairing, wears joints down. Nobody is saying sit on your ass all day eating pizza.
You walk places, occasionally run, do some manual labor at times. But with a good diet, raw milk, eggs, meat, blood.
What he said is 100% true. You're just parroting the guy in the video.
You think some ancient Germanic warrior starting lifting rocks for an hour a day for no reason, or running up and down his village for an hour? Lmao. Get real. 99.9% of the posters here do this to increase their chances of getting pussy. That's all it is about.
>That IS the benefit. Iron sharpens iron.
Blah. blah, baseless idioms with no substance. Not biology, not real, not fact.
>Blood pudding isn't raw lol.
It's still made of blood. Hurr dis guy crazy he says drink some blood.. Oh a sausage made of blood? It's not raw so it's OK!
>So is exercise
>person doesn't eat or drink for 2 weeks
>dead
>person doesn't exercise for 2 weeks
>dead
>????
Oh no wait, you're talking outta your ass.
You have to lift weights 5 times a week or you die. The absolute brainlets here. Not a single valid refute yet.
The guy who works out kills you. Nothing worse for you than dying.
>proven so wrong you have reverted to basically trolling
And lol, he thinks working out makes hima big tough boy. Oh no wait, I can just pop you int the head. Your fragile insecurity is showing.
>literal random cope
what the frick are you even talking about
Keep working on that self esteem, buddy.
Funny, how I also can guarantee this guy has a better body than you.
Let the REALITY speak for itself, and nor regurgitating shit you have heard all your life. If the 70s food pyramid was totally wrong, is it possible what you believe about working out too could be wrong?
It's just ignorance. It really is.
>lifted before
>still lifts
>says lifting bad, just eat raw meat
From fake nattys to fake untrained, kek
Yes, because he is learning all the time. Nobody is saying you can't lift, but that it comes with no health benefits apart from aesthetics. If you want that sure, but don't peddle lifting weights to injure and shock the body, and having to eat surplus calories to be processed by your organs to repair and keep the muscle mass is healthy. It simply is not. Not to mention many lifters have body dysmorphia.
All the scientists involved in life extension, from living longer to living healthy, lack of cancers, and looking youthful at best promote very light exercise. None of them promote bodybuilding lol. And I think they understand the body better than some fitness guy on steroids or whatever.
Bro, then just dont lift lmao, nobody cares about your shitty copes about why you are being a pathetic dyel on a board reserved for fitness.
>Food is needed to sustain life and run the body.
So is exercise. Or, let's put it like that: Diverse movements for hours every day.
>It causes stress and injury upon the body, along with your joints wearing down.
That IS the benefit. Iron sharpens iron.
Weak stimulus: Strengthens
Strong stimulus: Destroys
Blood pudding isn't raw lol.
>There are no benefits to working out
Babies first correlation is not causation.
s it possible, wait for it, I will tell you something groundbreaking, that the athlete had a better diet while the non-athlete just ate processed junk?
Another one with a single digit iq.
The non-athlete also didn't work out
You read my post and replied with this? Yeah, you totally don't understand the most basic of correlation is not causation. I think we're done here. I'm really only looking for discourse with those of an IQ over 75.
>it's the diet that builds muscle and not excessive
Of course it is. We know high protein will retain muscle mass; while low will result in muscle loss. Why are you even on here if you think exercise builds muscle and not diet. Exercise breaks down muscle, the diet then builds it back bigger.
>with irrefutable proof
LOL.
>How about you read actual research papers
I have. Many. It's my job. Yours is likely still in high school.
You literally think for thousands of years every human was out of shape because they didn't pick up heavy things 5 times a week, or they didn't run around their village for an hour a day. Yet we also know most health issues come today from, let me think, oh yeah, poor diet.
Bad diet; bad health. Good diet; good health. Picking up a heavy item and putting it down contributes nothing to do. It merely stresses the body forcing it to grow, but growth isn't synonymous with good health.
Maybe you need to educate yourself a little more.
>Of course it is. We know high protein will retain muscle mass
Where do you get this muscle mass? From laying around your bed all day, doing nothing?
>Why are you even on here if you think exercise builds muscle and not diet. Exercise breaks down muscle, the diet then builds it back bigger.
While yes, diet does help you in that regard, You can gain muscle on LITERAL 0 CALORIES. Ask someone who never lifted a weight in their life do so. Their muscle will become bigger and stronger to some extent, as I said, on a shitty diet or even 0 calories.
>I have. Many. It's my job.
You haven't and it shows
>You literally think for thousands of years every human was out of shape because they didn't pick up heavy things 5 times a week, or they didn't run around their village for an hour a day.
What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
>What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
not him but hunter gatherers were way more sedentary than it sounds, they didnt do shit all the time, way more leisure time over us actually
Yep. But they great natural diet kept them fit and healthy. That poster is someone who thinks in the past people worked 20 hours a day or something lol.
Look at ingenuous peoples. What did they do all day? Not much. Especially non-agricultural ones. Kill a few animals, catch a few fish.
Yet they were all lean, healthy, and have good muscle mass.
Now look at them, like pacific islanders. Obese, unhealthy, high blood pressure. What changed? THEIR DIET.
Their diet was the key to their health. Not working out . Jeez.
>all that reddit spacing
back to facebook, tourist Black person
>zoomer attention span can't read more than 2 sentences
>has no refute
>gets schooled
>throws in racism
I have been on IST since 2005. I am 41 years old. My friend is Igor.
That's what made them so easy to conquer.
Don't fricking compare savages to Europeans, even 5,000 years ago people who the Romans considered Barbarians could work iron wear pants.
Theses people are not indicative of how the white man behaved at an earlier phase in his development they are just morons.
I'm merely talking about how health is related to diet, and not lifting things. Not about how smart they were. But said Romans and Barbarians too were in shape due to diet, and not heavy lifting. Lifting heavy weights for health is some modern invention. Good diet and health has been around forever.
You fricking moron
Greeks and Romans 100% did weight train.
Idiot. That's a feat of strength; not an indicator of working out.
You're the kind of person who believes because a few pots with men diddling boys was on them, the whole society diddled kids. Roman soldiers generally only ate 1 meal per day.
Holy shit
They literally invented weightlifting and made single handled weights out of stone and lead.
Just frick off
>That's a feat of strength; not an indicator of working out
Please find me a single person who can deadlift or OHP 300lbs without working out.
>That's a feat of strength
>not an indicator of working out.
morons, schizos and trolls keep spewing sewage. IST randos continue gobbling it all up and licking the bucket clean.
NIHIL NOVUS SUB SOLE
they literally had dumbbells moron. Or technically it's more similair to kettlebells, but still.
>. Lifting heavy weights for health is some modern invention.
Lucius Seneca the famous roman philosopher mentioned roman patricians lifting heavy weights for strength conditioning. Ancient people absolutely understood the connection between eating a lot and weight training to get stronger and bigger.
dude not even him but whats so hard to understand? does same engine last longer with or without turbo? sure turbo squeezes out more, but lasts less
>Where do you get this muscle mass? From laying around your bed all day, doing nothing?
What are you talking about? Humans have muscles on their body. Are you saying everyone not at a gym has just bones? And that all through history men just had bones? People have normal muscle mass. Gym muscle is not normal. The body tries everything not to build that, because it's not natural and expensive to the body. Hence you must shock it to grow. But still, muscle is created via diet and not gym. Muscle is broken down at the gym.
>You can gain muscle on LITERAL 0 CALORIES
Muscle building requires proteins, or more specifically, amino acids. Now you are saying someone can not eat and grow muscles. You're just a troll at this point.
>You haven't and it shows
I have transformed many people from obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes etc. to normal and healthy. With diet. Not gym.
>What the frick do you thing they did all day round? Sat on their asses doing nothing? They were on their feet from sunrise till sunset doing shit. Actual 80IQ moron.
You're so smart you can't even understand what he and I are saying. Nobody said sit in a bed all day. You go out, walk, do some work. At times run. But you do not have to go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy things to make you healthy.
If you have no health conditions and are lean, you are healthy. If you are in poor health and overweight, how many professions say oh just go lift some weights? NONE. What do they say? Change your diet. ALL OF THEM.
So health comes from diet. Not weight lifting.
Lmao can't believe people like this are real. Oh, and my IQ is 155.
>Oh, and my IQ is 155.
I'm not even gonna respond to anything else you wrote because by writing that nonsense you literally proved that I've been arguing with an actual borderline moron
>gets owned
>too fragile to admit he is wrong
I'm also taller and stronger than you.
>Nobody said sit in a bed all day. You go out, walk, do some work. At times run. But you do not have to go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy things to make you healthy.
Oh, so your point isn't that we don't need exercise to be healthy, it's that in muh natural life you get enough exercise to be healthy incidentally
Well maybe, but when you get your food from typing shit into a computer instead of from hunting and gathering, you no longer get that incidental exercise, and you need to replace it with artficial exercise to stay healthy
>no b-but you see y-you're wrong, it's the diet that builds muscle and not excessive
even if presented with irrefutable proof you're still pissing yourself over trying to prove your nonsensical points. How about you read actual research papers instead of trusting some moron spouting about "nature ways"
continue your life doing nothing, I'm sure your body will appreciate it in 50 years.
Okay.
>9:45
>like why would you run in nature
LMFAO
LIFTING FALLS UNDER PEASANTRY
fellas, I-i,,,
t. Mentally ill brainwashed slaves that lift manmade weights
sewerage is such a stupid ignorant c**t
STOP working out
STOP having discipline
STOP eating cooked food
KEEP in your comfort zone all the time
this is how you will fell high every single day untill youre 120 years old like we are supposed to in nature
its no coincidence the oldest people on earth are skinny grandmas who probably dont do much movement other than their daily walks. You never see a 90 year old who did hard labor their whole life
Meet Manohar Aich, the Indian bodybuilder who lived to age 104. He kept working out until his last days.
Hard labor? No. Subsistance, hard, sunrise-to-sunset agriculture? Have known a few, one is still alive, with a couple more on their way to 90
>who is jack lalanne
You appear to suffer from the big stupid, luckily it's not terminal and there's time to fix it.
pretty sure he works out himself, he is just simply stating how the fact the we lift is kindof moronic. his message isnt meant to be taken as a religious belief
YNR sauna gate
QRD:
Ludwig was at 1 or 2 Sv3rige meetups and fell in with Sv3riges inner circle, he even sent Sv3rige his blood (vid since deleted when he and luna drinks it), he then got invited to go to the US with Sv3rige/Gatis but 1 day before the departure Gatis found out that Ludwig likes the Sauna so Gatis broke all contact with Ludwig, cancelled is trip and made him his enemy. Over the ideological question if we should be allowed to sauna
he literally said at the end of the video that you could workout if you wanted to if you have strong hormones from drinking blood. Stop trying to misrepresent the views of the king of IST
>bone structure defines strength
>training is useless
>muscles are useless
AHAHAHAHAHA
>bone structure
He means being tall and having strong bones. This is true in nature. Muscles are unnatural
>training useless
Yes it wastes time and it gets you out of your comfort zone for no reason
>muscles useless
Yep
What defines strength is how much you lift under a barbell. All of those lifts can be trained. The whole video is just a literal dyel cope.
How tall are you
>How tall are you
I can lift more than I could a year ago
this dude already looks chad lite and he doesn't lift? so i'm here feeling like dying lifting heavy shit for nothing?
Sv3rige lifts in the gym, he admits it himself. I suspect he sees it as a guilty pleasure, something unnatural he dont really want people see him doing
He has the jawline of a fat woman
then I have the jaw of a whale. dude looks fairly decent and I saw his gf, blond, not fat, 7/10. it's either the diet he's shilling or he is going to the gym hiding it
He looks fine but I'd hardly say he's chad, a bit above average
Discipline is manmade, and you are a FRICKING idiot vegan slave for having even 1% discipline
Good Ducumentary on Him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlcQDRCOOQ&lc=UgzjCP8YrqZ4w8EjqIN4AaABAg
Imagine living in the same universe where both Sv3rige and Tufano existing
Vegetable police did that role play better
that smug moron
He's not wrong about the UK being hell on Earth
heehee can't stop winning
>Indoors hat cope
If I ever start balding I will hang myself
There's finasteride but since he doesn't believe in improving yourself he's obviously not using it.
BRITOID WILL DESTROY THE SLAVE
How many kids does Sverige have?
If you were not a peasant you were a soldier and you were training your body in different ways. Even in peace the royalty had to be ready for war or an honor fight. The weak, died.
hes talking about ooga booga state obviously
>eats raw meat and drinks blood
Enough said.
Another one:
>he's wrong because uhh, he's wrong, OK!
And what about people who eat blood pudding? Enough said, huh?
>drinks blood and eat raw meat
>still loses his hair
epitomy of health; it's funny he never adresses balding in any of his videos kek
he did address balding in his old videos claiming eating raw meat will cure him kek
I mean your arteries start getting blocked up, so how do you reverse that? Do you.. Start working out, going for runs?
Or do you use a diet that removes something such as arterial calcification and instead places the calcium in the bones. Then you get a healthy heart and strong healthy bones.
The exercise would no nothing, possibly even make it more likely you have a cardiac arrest. Heck, even all lifters know without a good diet, they will not achieve anything. And that's because diet is key to health, exercise is not. He's 100% right.
Yes, I have been "brainwashed to move and do something"
kek
sv3rige shit should be banned immediately because is /LULZ/ tier
he isnt totally wrong overworking your body will obviously frick you up, just as none will, go to park, do some light stuff couple times a week and you should be pretty damn fine
>Look at people who train
>Strong, lean, healthy, happy
>Look at people who don't train
>Weak, fat or skinny fat, ill, miserable
No argument is better than reality, and nothing this tard says will change that.
Just because you have big muscles and are strong is not an indicator of health, nor is being lean. 6% massive muscled bodybuilders are not healthy. Nor is a generalization about people like that are all happy, which is most cases, the live that lifestyle due to unhappiness and poor body image.
In the same way normal people who do not train and eat good, are not fat, they are average strength, they have a healthy bodyfat level, which the body needs, and thus are in a better mental state.
Your so called "reality" is nothing closely related to reality at all. Just junk generalizations you made up in your head using circular logic.
>people who don't train are unhappy
>they are unhappy because i said so
>this is my proof people who do not train are unhappy
>Your so called "reality" is nothing closely related to reality at all. Just junk generalizations you made up in your head using circular logic.
who don't train are unhappy
>>they are unhappy because i said so
>>this is my proof people who do not train are unhappy
you are literally saying the same thing with:
>Nor is a generalization about people like that are all happy, which is most cases, the live that lifestyle due to unhappiness and poor body image.
>people who train are unhappy
>they are unhappy because I said so
>this is my proof people who do train do so because they are unhappy
actual brainlet
>Is body dysmorphia common in bodybuilders?
>Because men with muscle dysmorphia rarely seek treatment, estimating its prevalence in the general population is hard, but it is believed that about 10-12% of professional male weightlifters meet the criteria.
Now 10-12% of people who do not work out in the gym do not report that makes them unhappy.
You're like a person who corrects someone for spelling something correctly, then you spell it wrong. Embarrassing. It doesn't even appear you can even grasp what circular reasoning means.
>haha I got got and been proved that I don't know what the frick I am saying, but I'm gonna continue to pretend that I do
how about you go back and read everything that you yourself wrote and realize that you write contradicting nonsense
why is an anti-fitness thread allowed on IST?
Stay in your sewege schizo youtube comments
Taking roids and bodybuilding is not fitness, neither is starving yourself to become more shredded. Sporting events, athleticism and the pursuit of longevity are fitness. So by your logic there is very rarely and actual fitness thread posted here.
Jesus Christ this guy is still around? I guess picking on vegans got too mainstream so now he has to be contrarian with something else. Anything this guy has ever said is pure contrarian drivel, no wonder he has some fans on here. Also the Bioneer would embarrass him in a debate. there's probably a difference of about 50 IQ points between the two.
> Also the Bioneer would embarrass him in a debate. there's probably a difference of about 50 IQ points between the two.
Having an Iq of 100 isn’t something to be proud of
He only makes youtube videos so that he doesn't have to get a job. It's rather based if I'm being honest.
Zased demotivator. Eliminate your competition
>he's wrong because all bodybuilders are happy
>people who do not work out are unhappy
>it's true because I said so
>Is There Any Relationship Between Body Image Perception
>The results from this study indicated that 53.7% of bodybuilders had body dissatisfaction
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6142149/
honestly i think there is no better alternative right now than light workouts and keeping healthy weight, not lifting too heavy obviously. we cant afford sitting on ass and doing as we please, and keeping decent weight is way better than eating all that junk we basically have to more or less. ideally if you are trust fund baby u could get away what hes saying, good weight and low stress is ideal, but good weight at cost of some stress>flabby since u will end up putting even more strain with extra fat on yourself imo
Well you just eat a natural diet, and do some light weights, a little running and walking, few body-weight exercises, some calisthenics.
That will put you in the best shape.
I can't believe people here proselytise think going to the gym 5 days a week, being some 230lbs 5'8" muscle guy, consuming masses of calories daily is how you get healthy. Just ridiculous.
isn't this the guy that drinks his own piss?
>moron who goes into deep contrarian rabbithole continues to have contrarian moronic beliefs
Fits right in with IST I suppose
This guy is schizo. Glad his wife and child left him.
>Claims looks only matter to women
>Looks inbred with high receding hairline.
cardiovascular fitness / vo2 max is associated with a 500% decrease in all cause mortality
Muscular fitness / mass is associated with a 350% decrease in all cause mortality.
To give you perspective on mortality risk, smoking will increase your all cause mortality risk by ~60% if you smoke around 30 cigarettes a day.
Exercise is the easiest way to improve your muscular and cardiovascular fitness which will improve your life in every single measure of quality of life there is. Everything from your sleep to your pain levels to your mood to your body's ability to take illness or have medical procedures done like surgery is positively affected.
Ripping on the bioneer is probably the shittiest thing to do because he tends to promote fitness that isn't as structured as a traditional lifting program. He promotes more obscure ways to train and a lot of his shots of him training are shots of him doing it outside and in parks, instead of being in a gym. He tries to make fitness more accessible to people and opens people up to all the ways you can improve your fitness.
Why is this the only board that tries to actively discourage people from the hobby that it's about?
You post something like this in any other board and your ass would be serving a 3 day vacation.
IST has turned into a demoralisation board ever since LULZ users started using it to post depressive shit 24/7.
nobody lifts and everyone is fricking moronic. Killing this board would be an act of mercy
I've stopped working out for 15 days now while taking thyroid and aspirin daily and my tendons around the sternum are not tight or popping anymore, my elbow tendonitis is getting better which it hasn't done consistently for the past 2 years and the back of my neck isn't tight anymore. I dunno about you guys but I'm starting to think stressing your shit on top of all the daily stressors in ones life might not be the play.
>t. hasn't heard of fatugue management
Well when I extrapolate I think I'm done working out for months from now on at least, I'll keep all stressors to a minimum and see if some issues I have resolve.
Balding is the surefire sign that something is metabolically wrong; it's the canary in the coal mine of the 20 and 30-something today.
for sure something is wrong but usually you can't fix it naturally outside of eugenics
Balding has little to do with genetics like most diseases, it's almost all due to your environment; your food (from newborn to now), the pollution around you, how much you get stressed daily from things imposed to you etc...
nope it's dht sensitivity in the scalp. it can be stopped with drugs
And why is there DHT accumulating in the scalp? I don't know the root cause(s) of balding but it is not DHT alone, DHT accumulation is an effect stemming from something else.
>I don't know
True
You don't know either
No it doesn't, it stems from shit environment disrupting your metabolism in many more ways than merely accumulating DHT in your scalp. Why is baldness corelated with heart disease if it's purportedly just one gene coding for hair that is the issue?
high t also correlates with heart problems and high dht correlates with high t. so idk
it stems from shit genes usually
balding is genetics. Its a dominant gene because at one point in time people used it to define class.
Clearly there are negatives to the kind of lifestyle roid trannies live considering so many of them destroy their joints and die young. I wouldn't call what they do fitness.
>don't exercise but eat healthy
>caloric needs go down accordingly
>now I don't eat enough to get healthy amounts of vitamins and minerals
>Carrying a tiger on your back
>Carrying a rock on your back
>Carrying the world on your back
>Carrying
WAGMI
hehe