>paul saladino renounces keto. >claims it gave him low test, insomnia, heart palpitations, cramps

>paul saladino renounces keto
>claims it gave him low test, insomnia, heart palpitations, cramps
>electrolytes totally fricked
Influencer after influencer is quitting and talking about how it fricked their health.

Is the keto movement collapsing?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pseudo-intellectuals being trapped by meme science is good for us though
    We can cut and get shredded by doing CICO and just having a good ratio of macros while they'll move onto the next meme and stay looking like shit

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He still doesn't eat vegetables.
    He still gets most of his calories from animal products.
    Going carnivore allowed him to heal his extreme eczema and auto-immune issues. He started adding other foods back in after that.
    Some people do really well on a keto-carnivore diet. Some less so.
    He looks better than you (post body gaygit)
    He stopped doing carnivore like 4 years ago, grandpa.

    Isn't that what we want people to be? Open to new ideas and change your mind if you're wrong. You, on the other hand, sound a lot more intellectually dishonest little homosexual.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't ask for a list of seethe.

      Please tell me why everyone who tries keto ends up quitting and renouncing it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone
        Why would you post something that is clearly falsifiable?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        most people can only think in extremes, this tend to go extra hard when its about diets
        the people who go to shit on keto and carnivore usually do something moronic like eating a full stick of butter or two every day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You should be cycling opposite extremes constantly.
          Work hard sleep hard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a weight loss program. Not a way of life.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holy shit the amount of cope.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You really need to end your own life, Moxyte.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/PkdGBk5.jpeg

        >Baker
        A fraud?

        https://i.imgur.com/iSPUPNr.jpeg

        [...]
        >forcing his children
        So the diet he claims is the only right diet for man is something his own family refuses to follow?

        https://i.imgur.com/IgMGX06.png

        I too enjoy low test and diabetes

        No, Moxyte the ketoschizo, it is you who is collapsing.
        Your thread is already over. Enjoy obesity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Settle down seetheboy lmao.

        shut up gay moron

        intense malding from the veggieDYEL who infests this board

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, you don't understand. OP is trying to win an imaginary internet argument, so the fact that Saladino is still mostly carnivore is inconvenient and thus has to be omitted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Settle down seetheboy lmao.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He still doesn't eat vegetables.
      edible fruits are vegetables

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Edible fruits are fruits

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fruits are fruits
          thanks for the insight moron

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry you were wrong and need to be combative to make up for insecurity

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              where was i wrong?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >are vegetables

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but that's not wrong
                edible fruits are vegetables

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They aren't but you do you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Vegetables are parts of plants that are consumed by humans or other animals as food. The original meaning is still commonly used and is applied to plants collectively to refer to all edible plant matter, including the flowers, fruits, stems, leaves, roots, and seeds.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fruits are the developed ovary of a plant. They arent synonymous

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They arent synonymous
                not all fruits are edible. inedible fruits would not be vegetables
                edible ones do fall under the vegetable umbrella

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its irrelevant. The definition says nothing about edibility

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the definition of fruit does not, but the definition of vegetable does

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're not vegetables

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a pedantic homosexual.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a moronic homosexual.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's being pedantic AND wrong.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still can't comprehend something fitting in two categories at the same time
                public education was a mistake

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >goalpost movement

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i never set any goalposts to move
          he does eat vegetables, that's all im sayin. ive got no horse in the race. i'm omnivore but have done carni for a short period and it felt pretty gud. don't care if people want to wreck themselves with veganism, either. do what u want homosexual

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        all plant foods are technically vegetables

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          'zactly

          They're not vegetables

          they are. why not just look up the definition of vegetable instead of posting cringe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shut up gay moron

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its only for easiest quick fix to lose fat , its not a permanent diet. You can still lose fat with high carb its just easier and quicker keto .

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ignore this demoralisation thread and keep eating steak, ketobros

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Baker
      A fraud?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He has children. He has also stated that he is not forcing his children to be carnivore.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you really so autistic you saved this thinking this was a gotcha?
          lol

          >forcing his children
          So the diet he claims is the only right diet for man is something his own family refuses to follow?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So the diet he claims is the only right diet for man
            No that's not what he claims.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These guys like the vegans and all the sciencebased lifters all feel like grifters pretending they have the secret that they just happen to want to sell you, even Bryan Johnson a multimillionaire is shilling supps to morongays that lap it up HUUUURR MUH BLUEPRINT SUPPS !!!! MY BIOMARKERS SAY IM A NEWBORN AGAIN !!!!±!!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >He has also stated that he is not forcing his children to be carnivore.
          Why? My children eat what I eat because I eat what I believe is best for me. If his diet is so good, why wouldn't his children benefit from it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/iSPUPNr.jpeg

            [...]
            >forcing his children
            So the diet he claims is the only right diet for man is something his own family refuses to follow?

            He never claimed this is the only right diet for man.
            He never claimed this is the most optimal diet. (In fact, he believes it's impossible to figure out the "most optimal" diet)
            He never claimed this diet is for everyone.

            He does make certain claims about therapeutic use of a carnivore diet to fix certain health issues. Whether you want to keep being carnivore, or add other foods back in like Paul Saladino (guy in OP) is up to you.
            He has stated that the long term health effects of a carnivore diet are not studied. But the same is true for the majority of drugs on the market today.

            He made a short video recently about how he feeds his kids

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He made a short video recently about how he feeds his kids
              not him but give me a qrd because I don't give grifters views

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The metabolism and nutritional needs of children are not like an adults, and not every adult actually would benefit from the same diet, we all have different optimal diets

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you really so autistic you saved this thinking this was a gotcha?
        lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what the frick am i supposed to be seeing here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Still not vegan
      This guy thinks about vegans more than the average man. That makes him a gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I too enjoy low test and diabetes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oof

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >testosterone: 237 ng/dl

        literal granny tier lmfao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Grannies would have around 12 ng/dl of testosterone, so his levels in this blood test are about 20 times higher than a granny.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its hyperbolic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He said “literally”

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes he did

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oof

        >testosterone: 237 ng/dl

        literal granny tier lmfao

        why does the number matter if he isn't experiencing any symptoms?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i have colon cancer, its ok though because I can't feel it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's correct though, so you haven't proven me wrong in any way

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You didnt make a point, Theres no need to prove you wrong, you asked a question. I showed how silly the question was by asking a question with the same logical premise.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >comparing real disease to a number on a lab slip
            whew lad

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >real health is how I feel
              Wow I guess heroin and twinkies are healthy then

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trust the science am I right

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How do you get diabetes on a diet that excludes carbs?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By excluding carbs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did he get a hair transplant?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only problem I see is where is he getting vitamin c from?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        meat has some vitamin C. people argue its enough when youre not eating carbs. maybe it is i dont know

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of his videos have fruit and honey in them
    You need to be locked in a padded room, Moxyte

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I googled Moxyte after another thread and the first result was his leddit history.
      I was surprised to find an actual unironic schizo

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I give a shit what someone else is eating?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You were born spontaneously and have never been influenced by anyone or anything?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok just tell me: how many posts ITT are yours, moxyte? You need serious help bro.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how many boosters did he have/

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he gave up keto carnivore ages ago though? He's been preaching his meat and fruit and honey diet for a while now

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hitomi is rich girl that does frick all every day and responsible for getting thousands of girls to eat only leaves and beans and even she had to give it up lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I jerked off to her explaining how she fricks but she's now a dyke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that does frick all every day
      she is a youtuber you peasant. she creates entertainment for you watch on youtube. wtf do you do?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is dumb
    Carnivore is dumb
    There is no magic diet to solve your problems

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Influencer after influencer is quitting and talking about
    Frick off and buy an ad.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We can't make this up , what a world
    ???
    Scientist man tries experiment, finds out it don't work. Why can't tweetman think this good? What a moron. Based Carnivore MD for being honest and finding it out.

    So where are we?
    Its bad for everyone?
    It works for someone?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Scientist man
      Wrong
      >Why can't tweetman think this good?
      Because he sold it to people telling them it was optimal and correct

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yikes. Well at least he admit to being wrong and is doing what he can to correct it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What did he do to correct it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he is saying like "ayo guys i was wrong"

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we accept your concession, veggieDYEL

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Saladino
    He is Italian. His farmer race grew up on grains.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Cecil "CHAD BALDWIN" Drake

    >muh anecdote

    Most of the keto diet has noootrients that are precursors of test, and are filled with electrolytes.

    As of most things, you gotta try it, before you judge it. I do a high protein/fat diet. I can most days eat under maintenance calories, gain strength, muscular size, and lose bodyfat. Gut issues and bloating are also not an issue. This is, of course, another personal anecdote. But many report the same thing.

    I am not a keto obsessed tard though, I eat some fruits and veggies, and I still take zinc, vit d etc.

    I haven't watched their shit, but they have to explain why they are losing, because many societies, early man, meat/game hunter, Inuit whale protein/blubber/fat/ Icelandic fish protein/fat were totally healthy.

    In reality, just check out nutrient content, and digestibility. I always feel fat and full after a big pasta dish, my belly hanging out. Meanwhile I can eat a big steak, 100 grams of protein, and while I feel not hungry, I also don't feel my stomach full and bloated.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Moxyte sucked him off and threatened to out him if he didn't renounce

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >claims it gave him low test, insomnia, heart palpitations, cramps
    sounds like normal anxiety symptoms just toughen up

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > been on keto-low carb since 2020
    Your specific diet is irrelevant regarding health complications, as long as you get all the required vitamins, minerals and fibres, the source of your energy doesn't matter.

    I don't eat high-carb grains, starchy vegetables and staples like rice and bread. I eat a balance of vegetables, meats, nuts, fruit, and dairy. I do allow myself to eat high-carb foods, as long as I don't exceed 50grams of carbs a day. I did comprehensive medical test last year and all my results came back showing excellent health.

    You only get health complications if you under or over exceed mineral and vitamin requirements. Doing stupid shit like only eating meat or only eating fruit is obviously going to end up with an imbalance. Diet is really fricking simple, I don't even understand why you would listen to 'influencers'.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's advocated for eating tons of fruit for a while now.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what one conversation with georgi does to a mf

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My total test went up 71% on a blood test on keto (from 273 ng/dl to 467 ng/dl) but my LDL cholesterol went up over 200%. It was already high to begin with.
    Obviously the blood tests for testosterone were instantaneous readings at one particular moment, but testosterone fluctuates quite a lot so they definitely did not capture my highest possible readings during the time periods of the different diets.
    For example in the before test, if I took the test 16 days later at a slightly different time, my test may have been 641 ng/dl instead of 273. Likewise my keto test reading might have been 563 ng/dl if I took the test on a different day during my keto phase. And my absolute highest testosterone reading in the non keto phase might have been 941.3342 ng/dl on a really good day for an instant in time. During the keto phase my absolute highest test reading may have been 1255.5653 ng/dl for a brief moment on a great day.
    Here is graph which shows testosterone levels measured every 10 minutes for a continuous 36 hour period in a 2 random healthy males, in one it varies from 200 to 1400 ng/dl during this time. In the other from 400 to 1400 ng/dl
    What I'm trying to say is single blood tests are not scientific. Especially for a highly fluctuating hormone like testosterone, and a blood test won't truly tell you what is happening to your test levels in your body over time.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thread unironically and unapologetically about fricking """influencers""""
    >21 hours
    >100 replies
    legitimately hate every homosexual on this board
    god what a piece of shit it's become

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You solved a captcha to post this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not poor you moronic homosexual

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao another one of the carnivore clowns Bart Kay changed the definition to "70% animal based" recently, mentioning he eats pizza, fruit, and drinks beer.

    Their meme diet is so shit that they literally just go omnivore and pretend they're still doing their shit right. Hilarious

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nobody cares you homosexual vegan

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not that guy
        Literally just a random anon

        Who said he was vegan lmao
        Seething
        Eating saturated fatty acids on a daily basis has been scientifically proven to be bad for you relax

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Saturated fats are literally testosterone you homosexual. Now shut up and eat 2 lbs of meat and 36 eggs per day.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is no real science behind that claim lmaooooooooo

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's either listen to the lean muscular guy who tells you to eat 36 eggs per day or the fat DYEL certified nutritionist who tells you eggs are bad for you. The wise man chooses to listen to the man with gainz and ignore the DYEL (if their advice ever worked, they wouldn't be a fat DYEL).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post body

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hot dog: bread + sausage + veggies + mustard
      All things my ancestors ate
      >pizza: bread + cheese + meat
      All things my ancestors ate
      >bacon: cured meat + spices
      what my ancestors ate
      >burger: meat + bread + cheese + veggies
      what my ancestors ate
      >fried chicken: flour + meat + oil
      The only thing relatively novel may be the deep frying.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's aging rapidly these days. I wouldn't do what hes doing. Also he always sounds like he has mucus in his throat

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no longer
    He's a grifter but from the start he was emphasizing fruits. What is this keto obsession with trying to claim everyone for their own. They even try to claim Ray Peat who promoted the opposite of keto.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Extreme diets are pushed by unproductive people and adopted by unhappy people

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, you can lose weight w it but it reaches a point where you can't deny sugar anymore or else you get (ironically) diabetes metabolism due to all the lipid per oxidation and stress fricking up your system.
    Milk, white sugar, coconut oil ice cream affogato, orange juice w a dash of salt... Cant imagine life without that unless you are some dude stranded in an island. Not a big fan of durianrider since I love gelatinous cuts of meat but his sheer sugar energy is much more vigorous and real than anything in keto because he can suppress any stressors w sugar.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Keto is a fine diet for weight loss. It was practically what body builders in the 60's and 70's were doing for their cuts. They just made sure to occasionally have a high carb meal like once every three days. Keto is a short term diet. It is not a long term diet.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    keto was always moronic he should've done carnivore

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