Plato: >the world is imperfect we can only focus on rational >philosophy focused on the rational, and ideal realms, disregards everything in this real...

Plato:
>the world is imperfect we can only focus on rational
>philosophy focused on the rational, and ideal realms, disregards everything in this reality as incomplete
Olympic wrestling winner, know for his big shoulders.

Nietzsche:
>entire philosophy was about the STRONGEST AND MIGHTIEST
>complains for hundreds of pages about christianity being for the weak, and how platonism ruined the west
Was essentially a sad NEET full of diseases and depression, afraid and frail.

How did this utter irony happen? Is ther a philosophy that gears someone more to taking care of their bodies?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    what are you talking about?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      big man talk about avoiding conflict in search of a ideal world were no conflict

      Weak man talk about accepting conflict and struggle and that violence is essential

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        you sound crazy, why are you talking about this?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the average roastie's exact reaction

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, hating morons

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wasnt HP Lovecraft kind of frail tho.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was german
    What do you expect from them?

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How did this utter irony happen?
    Plato lived in a better time, a more beautiful world and a less bookish life. Plato was an aristocrat, fit, smart, connected and argumentative. Imagine fucking living in his age. Nietzsche's intellect was his only saving grace and therefore he reveled in it.

    imo Plato was a much more complete human and a slightly inferior intellect, although the last point depends on the extend to which he made up Socrates.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Please list the books by Plato and Nietzsche that you have read OP.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He obviously didn't read any. Plato is great but the republic is his best. Nietzsche is completely misunderstood by op but people will believe it anyway.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only The republic by Plato, i read only beyond good and evil and thus spoke zarathrusta by Nietzsche, you cant argue that Nietzsche glorifying of pré christian societies like the german and roman pagans, is a stark contrast to Plato, that ended up influentiating, christianity and gnosticism philosophy as a whole. Which also explains why Nietzsche was so strongly against Plato.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao fuck em both and only listen to Aristotle, thank me later

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Aristotle is the autist list builder to the dreamy intellect that is Plato. Lists are great, but man imagine only having Aristotle.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >entire philosophy was about the STRONGEST AND MIGHTIEST
    The Will to Power isn’t necessarily the biggest and the strongest. This is why Nietzsche praised the garden gnomes in that short passage

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yet he mentions in the same book after repeatedly losses against the romans, the gnomish religion went through a transformation of a religion that took pride in warrior culture (samson and davi), to one which saw suffering as part of reality, since they couldnt win against their conquerors they started changing their religion ideals to cope with loss.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t know if you meant that as refutation of my point because you put the “yet” at the beginning, but yea The Will to Power is not always about being the biggest and strongest

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, i dont mean as a refutation, i got your point and i agree, yet we cant deny even if he didnt do it counsciously, that Nietzsche at moments idealizes too much the ideal of the "strong, barbarian pagan who isnt castrated by christian ideals".

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but genealogy of morals is very clear about admiration for the strongest biggest people. He personally had horrible body issues and sometimes contradicted himself (as far as we can put together from his work anyway) but his whole anti religious philosophy is to evolve beyond the weakness of needing religion to cope. He was the first cope/sneed poster really and was pretty fucking based

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >He personally had horrible body issues
              Just to add on to this apparently he would eat a ludicrous amount amount of fruit almost every evening then he would have to go for a long walk because his stomach so much

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stirner:

    Fuck you. Philosophy is bullshit. I'm a GOD. Kneel, dogs.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stirner was literally part of the young hegelians, a philosophy major who tried to apply hegelian dialects to the way christianity influentiated left and right politics in the west, how did you get any idea he was "anti philosophy"? Thats like the dumbest oversimplification of stirner ever.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        He only published philosophy in his earlier days, the rest of his shit was almost all philology and theology. He just ranted about how egoism was based and everyone was retarded.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thats a really gross oversimplification, his main know work to this day is still The Ego and its own, which takes a lot from Hegel and its dialects to make his point clear, even if he walked away from philosophy, he still used it as a clutch at first to be able to walk until he rationalized the lack of need for it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing good about Stirner is how much he made Marx seethe. Outside of that he’s the reddit philosopher

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stirner is the very antithesis of reddit.

        Reddit would probably like marcus Aurelius but cut out all the actual good parts and just westernize it.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          how the fuck do you westernize one of the foundations of the west civilization.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah in hindsight i'd figure westernize isn't quite the right word. Modernize probably, in some twisted gay way.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Deep down i knew what you meant, i just had to take that bant, sorry.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                All good anon.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >190. There is something in the morality of Plato which does not really belong to Plato, but which only appears in his philosophy, one might say, in spite of him: namely, Socratism, for which he himself was too noble. "No one desires to injure himself, hence all evil is done unwittingly. The evil man inflicts injury on himself; he would not do so, however, if he knew that evil is evil. The evil man, therefore, is only evil through error; if one free him from error one will necessarily make him--good."--This mode of reasoning savours of the POPULACE, who perceive only the unpleasant consequences of evil-doing, and practically judge that "it is STUPID to do wrong"; while they accept "good" as identical with "useful and pleasant," without further thought. As regards every system of utilitarianism, one may at once assume that it has the same origin, and follow the scent: one will seldom err.-- Plato did all he could to interpret something refined and noble into the tenets of his teacher, and above all to interpret himself into them--he, the most daring of all interpreters, who lifted the entire Socrates out of the street, as a popular theme and song, to exhibit him in endless and impossible modifications --namely, in all his own disguises and multiplicities. In jest, and in Homeric language as well, what is the Platonic Socrates, if not-- πρόσθε Πλάτων όπιθέν τε Πλάτων μέσση τε Χιμαιρα.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nietzsche was like 13 generations downstream from the degeneration of mankind that plato brought about.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This gave me the ick

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not being plagued with illnesses helps.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Me personally I think TV hannibal had the best philosophy

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe if you think that reality is flawed you try to impersonate something perfect (or as close as you can get) in it. If you believe the opposite, there is no need for such struggle. I think it is a sort of humbleness, Socrates saying he knows nothing teaches us that being humble opens you for more knowledge. This seems obvious why, if you believe you have a lack of knowledge that leaves you only one choice, to find it. If you believe the opposite then there is no need to seek new knowledge. Even if Nietzche is right, in that the strong inherits the earth, following his philosophy removes your humility and as a result makes you weak.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ehh, no? Read some Nietzsche's books maybe? And THINK about what is written there, huh? Never have I seen Nietsche saying that "platonism ruined west". All he mentions is that Plato was a battering old fag.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plato did not win the Olympics in wrestling

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, cherrypick two examples and make big assumptions from them

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient gayreeks gave high importance to physical culture (they invented it after all), including assfucking boys in the public baths to raise their test

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