>potato
>healthy
>pure 100% carbs
>no other macronutrients
>it makes you even more hungry
>starch so insulin goes up
Whoever started including potatoes in a normal diet needs to be banished to the deepest pit of hell. This is not even a vegetable, this is as bad as burger or candy.
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Have you ever eaten a boiled potato without gravy you fat moron?
Boiled potato is equally as bad as french fries, it's all just shitty carbs with low nutritional value and will still make you hungry
Lol
Lmao
More than half the calories in French fries are from the fat it is fried in
>100 calories of starch is the same as 400 calories of ,fat and salt and fiber stripped carbs
KETO BRAIN EVERYONE
Potatoes have a vast array of mirco nutrients like potassium which you need to contract your muscles. It’s practically a superfood until you cover it in butter and cheese.
Lol
Lmao even
Shut up fatty
isn't the starchpill based?
Potatoes are like the most satiating food lel
Maybe you should stop absorbing fries
>Potatoes are like the most satiating food
You are just repeating things on the internet. They are the least satiating food as far as my own experience tells me. I mean, you might feel full at the time, but a few hours later massive hunger will strive.
>you might feel full at the time, but a few hours later massive hunger will strive
now try consuming the same amount of calories in raw sugar and compare
Who the frick is eating bowls of sugar? How about comparing it to other real foods?
>They are the least satiating food as far as my own experience tells me.
Yeah bro eating 10 full sized baked potatoes is sooooo unsatiating honestly way more satiating to eat equivalent calories of bacon, lard and cheese. Not to mention MUUUCH healthier.
> / 58.9 grams protein
>0 fiber diet of whole foods leads to constipation
>22 mg Vitamin C/day leads to scurvy
lol what is this moronic image? both of these implications are categorically false.
And what is the most satiating food according to your dysfunctional body?
Thats not how you use the word strive so
its a typo stupid - strike.
Sure
That doesn't make them worth eating just eat a sensible amount of unsatiating food with more nutrients. If you "need" to be satiated then you are a child.
While op is a gay I will note that I can down at least 4 plain microwaved potatoes with ease
Same with oatmeal
>microwaved potatoes
what the FRICK do you mean, "microwaved potatoes"?
Imagine trying to gatekeep potatoes
ketard thread
Why do fat people always blame carbs?
Try burning fat when you have insulin in your blood...you cant .
explain why i'm losing weight the past months even though i eat sugar and carbs as soon as i wake up and till i sleep, i lost 5 kilos last couple of months doing that
You are burning more cals than you need and burn fat while asleep.
I should have said high levels not basal.
Not at all. The hormones operate on different pathways. Insulin is anabolic= growth. Hgh side is catabolic= breaking down of tissue. You do that mostly at night. But you can do that during the day if you dont constantly spike insulin. If you have any carbs your body will always use the glycogen stores in muscles and liver and any sugar in your blood before touching fat stores, that is a fact anon. When you spike insulin you shut off fat burning pathways, that is a metabolic fact anon.
>If you have any carbs your body will always use the glycogen stores in muscles and liver and any sugar in your blood before touching fat stores, that is a fact anon. When you spike insulin you shut off fat burning pathways, that is a metabolic fact anon.
Completely wrong. Like I said, the ratio may change, but you are constantly using a mixture of fuels in your body. You are never using ONLY glucose or ONLY fat for energy. Your body doesn't work like that. It isn't a binary choice, it's a dynamic equilibrium that can shift more towards one or the other but it's always using both.
Post your body then kek its not wrong at all, thats how the body works anon.
Now is the part where you say this isn't my body or that I've stolen it from CBT or something :^)
Here's me at the end of a cut
And here's me midway through a bulk
Dont ever post again lmao you know nothing about conditioning holy shit
I'm a natty non-bodybuilder what do you expect?
Dont speak about things you know nothing about, your picture proved that anon. Holy shit im still laughing about it.
>t.
his face seamlessly integrates with his adam's apple
did the guy whose pictures you stole get out of his "posing in mirrors" phase so you gotta use these
Lmao thats after a cut? Holy shit youre a joke anon shut the frick up you dont know anything about conditioning lmao
Post body (you wont)
To that? Hahahaha youre a fricking joke anon, your body is normal. Not even am, no way near pro tier. Shut the frick up and go diet properly you homosexual.
He is pretty lean in the picture he posted. The discussion is about fat loss. Not sure if you expect contest tier bf% levels which is fricking stupid to go for, for anyone not competing. Or you're expecting a roided level of lean+fullness.
I'm not a bodybuilder and I'm not roiding so of course I'm not "pro tier" or anywhere close to it. Obfuscate and misdirect all you want, any anons reading both of our posts can see that you are full of shit.
Kek shut the frick up you dumb c**t muh roids muh nah you dont know anything about the body
>any anons reading both of our posts can see that you are full of shit.
Really? All I'm seeing is shit- tier trolling and a moron (you) falling for it.
He's full of shit.
who hurt you
Go the frick back with that plebbit gay speak you troony homosexual.
seething
I can imagine why you don't want to talk about who hurt you, but attacking random strangers on the internet and being blatantly dishonest won't make the hurt go away
NTA you replied to you fricking queer.
Delusional anon needs to take a break from looking at naked men
It isnt. You will only use fat if you have no stored energy in muscle or liver. Hence thats what you run off while asleep. The point of low carb is so youre in that state during the DAY aswell. Thats why is so fast for FATloss not weightloss which is water/glycogen and fat.
>You will only use fat if you have no stored energy in muscle or liver. Hence thats what you run off while asleep.
Sounds like complete bullshit. Plenty of people that lift on little to no food in the morning. Fat cannot power the ATP regeneration cycle required for anaerobic effort. You don't glycogen deplete from sleeping, what they ate the day before is powering them.
Atp is created from afew things, amino acids, sugars, etc its nit complete bullshit. You have alot energy stored in your liver and muscles.
Yes, you have around 2000kcal of energy in your glycogen reserves, so much that it isn't depleted overnight, in fact a higher ratio of your energy comes from fat than sugar overnight since you're not anaerobic.
It takes 50-120 minutes of intense, hard, anaerobic activity to deplete your glycogen, and once that happens your body STILL burns sugar for fuel by breaking down your muscles for glucogenic amino acids.
You burn average 300 ish cals half hour of running. 2000 is enough for a marathon anon.
The 300kcals you burn in half an hour of running is not all glycogen. It's a mixture, and depending on your aerobic conditioning, it might be mostly fat.
Post body (you didn't, you won't)
Why would I post to that shit tier body? You want me to lower myself to reply to that? Hahahaba
>t.
Kek oh no he posted a funny maymay oh noes, nah frick off Id dont respond to noobs, its not fair on him.
>he still didn't post body
To what was posted? Its like picking on a disabled kid anon, no thanks .
The classic "My dad works at Nintendo" argument
Why would I want to humilate some disabled guy? Frick off. How was he to know his body is trash hes moronic....
0/10 try harder
I'm thinking either roidtroon or skinny fat pajeet that spends his time baiting and trolling on 4chins. You can see veins close to his obliques, the guy is objectively fairly lean. Repeating your bullshit won't work, we have eyes.
Youre not thinking you moron or youd know when to shut the frick up and have actual fricking standards . Good for you an average body is amazing to you, please go headbutt a wall
Then post body and amaze us. He looks good.
Kek you dont look amazing dude. You look normal. Average. Nothing, like your knowledge of diet etc.
I'm not him. I'm some other anon with functional eyes. You are the one repeating something contrary to what my eyes very clearly can see, which is a guy that is pretty lean posting his body in a thread about fat loss. Your claim is that he isn't. So the ball is in your court to post your body to give us the reference of what your idea of lean looks like, or shut up.
Shut up you nerd 1. You are him no one thinks that trash body is good. 2. Why would I do anything a nerd like yourself tells me to do lol 3. Shut the frick up.
seething
Holy kek you are hilarious.
Are the carbs in the room with you right now, anon?
>just stops replying once his accusations of samegayging gets BTFO'd
PED mental sides hitting hard eh? That or just variety garden keto schizo or troll, no other explanation.
>Why would I post to that shit tier body? You want me to lower myself to reply to that? Hahahaba
I will say im sorry for being rude about your body, as if you really think thats great then good for you as thats all that matters, what you think. I dont like picking on deluded downies.
I am not the guy who posted body you schizo mongoloid.
Yeah you are, no one else cares bucky. You actually thought you looked good hahaha.
>Yeah you are, no one else cares bucky. You actually thought you looked good hahaha.
50 mins to burn 2000cals? Lol you are moronic.
50-120 minutes is the given range because not everyone has the same level of glycogen stores, ie 2000kcal worth, and you're going to hit the wall before 100% of your reserves are depleted.
Anon you are moronic.
Anon, even on a zero carbohydrate diet your body replenishes its glycogen reserves from dietary protein. You're still using a mixture of glucose and fat for fuel when on a low carb diet because your red blood cells ONLY use glucose and your fast twitch muscles prefer it so much that your body will break down protein structures(ie muscle) to access glucogenic amino acids
No u
>your body replenishes its glycogen reserves from dietary protein
>dietary protein
This is wrong, there is no pathway in human gastrointestinal system to convert amino acids readily to glucose like carnivores do. In abscence of glucose from diet the only way for humans to synth it is from existing tissue ie breaking down muscle and organs (which is why starved humans usually die from heart attack because heart muscle got autocannibalized despite still having fat reserves). Rest of your post checks out.
Then ketotards would die. They don't, some of them even look alright despite the odds.
On the flipside if what you are saying is true, carbs are indirectly anabolic. I've also heard that they are directly anabolic and stimulate protein synthesis, also bodybuilders frick with insulin injections so has to be something behind it.
Yeah they would. Unfortunately they go on uncontrollable carb binges all the time (bing it) to stay alive so we have to suffer their continued existence.
Nothing in blood turns aminos into glucose either.
Yes anon it happens in the liver and kidneys but the amino acid substrate for gluconeogenesis is delivered to those organs by the blood
Stop being such a pedantic homosexual
Nope, doesn't happen like that either. Kidneys especially simply filter excess aminos out which is why meat-heavy diet destroys them.
Not nearly all lipids are packed in cholesterol. You'd get acute hypercholesterolia response to spoonfull of butter if it did and it's not a thing.
>Nope, doesn't happen like that either. Kidneys especially simply filter excess aminos out
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3068502/#:~:text=Renal%Gluconeogenesis
>Not nearly all lipids are packed in cholesterol
If course, some short and medium chain fatty acids exist as free particles in the blood, but long chain fatty acids can only enter the blood in lipoproteins. Besides, the salient point is that you claimed insulin has no effect on fat absorption into cells, which is simply incorrect, as insulin upregulates lipoprotein lipase.
>Kidneys especially simply filter excess aminos out
You're wrong
>Recent studies were devoted to the participation of amino acids in renal glucose production. During the postabsorptive phase, glutamine and alanine incorporation to renal gluconeogenesis was reported to respectively account for 73 and 4% of their overall incorporation into glucose [15]. These findings clearly demonstrate that gluconeogenesis from glutamine occurs primarily in the kidney
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137457/#!po=21.5909
>Kidneys especially simply filter excess aminos out which is why meat-heavy diet destroys them.
lol wtf is this moronic nonsense? what medical school did you learn this from? also, you literally can't source this claim lmao.
>eat protein
>broken down into amino acids
>absorbed into blood
>body makes glucose from amino acids in blood
I never said it happened in the gastrointestinal tract anon
You always have insulin in your blood, idiot. So there goes that talking point out of window.
Your body is permanently, constantly burning a mixture of fat and glucose for energy. The ratio changes but you're always using both. You've been bamboozled by low-carb YouTube grifters talking about mUh rAnDLe cYcLe into believing that you actually "switch" between fat-burning and glucose-burning modes. Lmao at you.
Just google does insulin inhibit fat burning kek
>Because one of insulin’s vital roles in the body relates to fat storage: it inhibits the breakdown of fat cells and stimulates the creation of body fat. That is,insulin tells the body to stop burning its fat storesand instead, absorb some of the fatty acids and glucose in the blood and turn them into more body fat.
Anon, inhibit in this context does mean STOP completely. Your enzymes and hormones are never switched off or on completely, they are just up regulated or down regulates to increase or decrease the rate of a given set of reactions.
It just down regulates it, reduces it. Like I said in my original post, the ratio of fuel sources changes within your body, but even a hyper-insulin resistant fatty is still burning a non-zero amount of fat for energy.
Anon, you dont know what the frick youre talking about.
Yeah. Fat deposits aren't even used solely for energy but for stuff like cell repair, hormone production, semen manufacturing... ketolards getting duped into that on/off thinking also must believe all that stops if you eat one potato cuz hurr durr u cant access fat now 😉 fricking morons
>semen manufacturing
Do continue..
If you didn't have insulin in your blood you'd be dead kek
So instead of sending food to places suffering from famine they should just send them insulin? You're moronic.
they shouldn't send them shit
Your posts make me want to inject roughly 2000 units of insulin into your blood when you’re asleep.
He's angry at a vegetable because it has carbs in it. Lol, lmao even. Don't even post body we all know you look like shit but please post what a regular day for you is like, only interested in seeing how lazy you are
why are ketards scared of a potato
Why are ketogays always fat? Literally just close your mouth for a few days. morons. Lmao.
you cant get fat from bacon, cheese and tubs of lard
>Why are ketogays always fat?
this
As soon as someone starts b***hing about carbs you instantly know that they are a disgusting lardass.
I cannot begin to describe how much I love potatoes. They are unbelievably tasty. I will eat them even plain peeled boiled and salted. I love every type of potato. Baby potato, regular, sweet potatoes, even those purple ones or whatever. It works with absolutely everything.
Potatoes are top 5 foods of ALL time no contest.
Whats with IST beign so moronic about food nowadays, the other day some dumbfrick made an entire thread asking if apples are "goyslop"... so fricking dumb
It was started by mentally ill fatties but there's a lot more of it now because it makes good bait
It happens because people try low carb and lose a bunch of weight because
>they lose water weight
>they lose muscle
And this gives them positive feedback. They are exhilarated to see the pounds dropping fast and their clothes fitting better, so they are more motivated to eat less. They may enter ketosis (rarely) which also decreases appetite. Also, cutting out an entire macronutrients tends to keep calories low.
But they are moronic and don’t understand CICO. They say they do but add “it’s not so simple moron” (because they can’t bear to think that they were duped by a moronic fad diet and simply lost weight because they ate less). So their brain comes up with anything:
>hurrr durrr thermic effect!
>insulin
>ketone bodies have unique properties that cause bliss and mental health!
In reality, protein, fiber and water are the only things that cause a thermos effect. Insulin just shuttles fat into tissues and plays no significant role in weight loss or gain, and they probably have never been in ketosis.
The best way to lose weight is to decrease calories by about 250-500 below maintenance, keep protein high (to preserve muscle mass), eat high volume, high fiber foods (to keep be satiated). Eat fruits and veggies so you get your micronutrients. Potatoes are a very nice way to achieve weight loss.
>In reality, protein, fiber and water are the only things that cause a thermos effect.
Carbs do too
>Insulin just shuttles fat into tissues
No it doesnt, insulin plays zero role in that. Lipids are simply absorbed from bloodstream because cell walls are lipid, it's passive (and the reason why highfat diets cause insulin resistance and atherosclerosis). Insulin only inhibits release of fatty acids to some extent.
> Lipids are simply absorbed from bloodstream because cell walls are lipid
But that's wrong. Lipids are transported in the blood by lipoproteins (aka serum cholesterol). Insulin stimulates production of lipoprotein lipase, which sits on the outside of the blood vessel cells, and releases the contents of your blood lipoproteins so that they can be absorbed by your cells.
I've never eaten a carb in my life, get mogged
looking good ketobro
carbs are poison
Best physique of any ketobro.
Mirin!
My heart breaks for this dude if real. Dude posted in another thread asking for advice and now has to see this.
If real and you're watching, keep at it bro. You got a lot of frickers to prove wrong. Hoping to see you make it and mog us all.
peak keto
all professional athletes eat potatoes, all pro bodybuilders eat potatoes, whats your point?
show me a ketolard who looks good
I find it very depressing that you've resigned yourself into being a side character in life and using other men to try to prove points youruself.
roider and probably not you
looks good but also still probably not you
Potato is probably one of the based carb sources:
- Low glycemic index (lower than rice and pasta)
- makes you feel full even though it's just a carb
- Doesn't spike your blood sugar as much
>Low glycemic index
higher glycemic index than sugar
How is that possible?
Its not because he is lying
Glycemic index is not a real measurement of anything. It's pseudoscience. It has no bearing (zero bearing) on how food is actually digested in the actual body.
potatoes spike my blood sugar more than any other food. natural not always good
Insulin is good. How else are you going to get nutrients into your cells?
Insulin RESISTANCE is bad.
Anyone else here just FRICKING LOVE carbs?
I wake up and dunk down cereal, where 20g of the 60 grams of carbohydrate is sugar. Then I drink my morning coffee with like 5 teaspoons of sugar in it. Shit's amazing,
I have never craved carbs. Only fat and meat.
Me neither, really. I used to eat low to medium carb, high fat, medium/high protein and accidentally lost weight.
For bulking and performance in the gym I like to slam down carbs however, mostly early in the day.
Same. Carb consumption is instinctual to us, you don't crave em but sure get fricked quickly if you don't eat em. Like breathing. You crave cheese and butter but it's all better on bread.
I love potato 😀
Potato bros, will we ever stop winning?
I had a phase where I ate at least 1kg of potatoes per day, I felt invincible.
ANTI POTATO SISTERS GOT TOO wienerY
That crease in your stomach on side pic is from sucking in, which you have to do to hide the fat under the abdominals from early diabetes
Nope, it's from tensing my abs with good posture. My upper abs sit on top of my costal carriage, that's my they stick out more than the rest. There is no stomach fat and there is no diabetes, I am leagues healthier than you.
Costal cartilage*
I will contribute to the potato crusade.
Here's my
>don't give a shit about getting fatter just stuffing my face with potatoes and pork meat while bench numbers go brrr
body shot from a couple of weeks ago.
Summer cut? Nah, more like SUMMER CHONK
>t. weakest potato enjoyer
Fookin luv me some potatoes, one of Gods gifts
dyel
delusional
>eat nothing but potatoes
>stay healthy and alive
Good enough for me, throw in some butter and you can live on them for a very long time.
OP is for sure posting body in any minute now, right? Right? Or maybe you can?
I have found, just as a general thing in life, that the most profitable things are pushed heavily, and the least profitable things pushed the least. Grains and potatoes can be produced cheaply and easily by companies that make lots of profit. Meat requires raising animals. Therefore, grains will always be pushed into our diets. This happens in many areas of life.
>Unironical many such cases
😀
That's fricking moronic, you're claiming there's more profit on food that can be bought for pennies than food that costs dollars? The exact opposite is true.
>I don't know what profit margins are because I'm fricking moronic.
But there's only so much grain and potatoes people can buy, that caps your profits. It's much more profitable to have them buy high profit margin items like meat.
there are entire countries with billions of people...
>there are entire countries with billions of people
Yes, get them eating more meat >profit!!!
ahhh yes, because it can be industrialised more than meat production.
>be ketolard
>start argument with a nutritional lie
>quickly get btfo as always
>switch argument to unrelated talking point
every time
its almost like... we are not the same people and your carb brain isn't smart enough to figure that out. also I don't do keto, but I do eat lowish carbs.
Maybe you're not, but can you tell us all why you chose to post that thread slide from original argument in OP's post which was already lost? Do tell. To me it looks like you ketolards are desperate, throwing whatever random talking points your sick little heads can come up with and hoping something sticks. You do it every thread. You fricks know full well you are wrong and full of shit yet you keep doing it. It's malicious mental illness.
Based fellow low carb bro that has to also deal with anti-keto schizos even though we give 0 fricks about keto
>t. Grows my own potatoes and tomatoes every year
>I have found,
Disregarded. Didnt read further
>potato
>healthy
Potatoes are full of vitamins, fibre, complex carbs - literally the best carb
>potato
>complex carb
moron
As a medical scientist I'm baffled by the lack of general knowledge and amount idiots here on the board. And yes, OP is right. High insulin levels also block fat cell receptors and no fat can come out of the cell, so in case blood sugar goes down you can't access fat energy reserves easily and you effectively starve.
>As a medical scientist
>High insulin levels also block fat cell receptors and no fat can come out of the cell
>in case blood sugar goes down you can't access fat energy reserves easily and you effectively starve
You contradicted yourself here, or your sentencing is really fricking terrible.
It maybe is terrible since English is my third language. Let me rephrase: blood sugar goes down when you use energy. If you are not constantly refilling with sugar or other carbs (and therefore keeping insulin even higher), blood sugar is more difficult to maintain throughout the exercising time. If you have generally low insulin levels you can more easily transition between sugar/fat energy because of metabolic flexibility. This is not a 1/0 mechanic and without carbs it's hard to gain weight. But the more carbs you consume, the more insulin spikes you will have with all the negative implications for your overall health/energy, more fatigue etc. Just research correlation between insulin/aging/regeneration etc. It's also more oxidative stress for your mitochondria to constantly burn sugar while you have no maintenance phases (eg fasting). (Mitochondrial decoupling)
You're describing the fed state of insulin resistance in diabetics. Why are you using a chronic disease state to make generalised statements about healthy people?
>the fed state
Anon is clearly an Amerilard, where diabetes is the baseline thought in medical school
For the exact same reason moronic "medical scientists" like him say protein is bad for your kidneys.
If you say post body and he doesn't post body you just say cope and stop, amazes me you guys are autistic enough to keep arguing with this /qa/ moron
But anon, you are the moron. We can see the IP counter at the bottom of the thread stay the same
yeah that's not my first post ITT
so, schizo?
I've lost track of who is who in the chain of insults that we're pretending is a conversation but yes: eat few or no potatoes. Slave food.
What are fat stores? When are they for? Your body doesnt just dip into them whenever it wants, they are for certain situations, like when asleep. You havent ever been single digit or even low double digits of body fat if you think that, same as having a good amount of muscle. You have to do things to gain and keep muscle size via diet. Same as fatloss, being lean while holding onto muscle. I like both diets but FATLOSS is easier on low carb/carb cycling diets than higher carb high protein. It is.
Weve got morons stating you can burn 2000cals in under an hour, which is physically impossible even with drugs.
>heh im just going to greentext copy and paste his post BACK to him heh that'll show him heh oh yeah hes feeling that ha!
is IST the only place where people argue about whether or not potatoes and rice are healthy?
no, most other people aren't so autistic that they don't realize they're being fricked with and writing out essays arguing against a guy who doesn't even believe his own bullshit
>I was merely pretending to be moronic
You're either genuinely moronic or emotionally crippled enough to want to pretend to be moronic
According to my own IST lore, potatoes are nice but rice is mediocre. Recently started eating more grains, and my digestion isn't agreeing completely with it. Whole grain bread agrees with me though. May be something to what the grain schizos are saying, it's not carbs in general though. Sugar and potatoes agree with me.
you see it on reddit and twitter all the time whcih is where those ketohomosexuals spawn from, I've even seen @Anonymous replies here from those fricking dimwits, also, the sv3rige discord doing epik raids
ITT: Keto shills SEETHING
Keto is good for weight loss, especially if you were fat whole life and your body is really insulin resistant. If you go down to normal weight I think you can start eating carbs again but... gotta be careful not to fail into the same bad eating habits that made you fat in the first place
hope this is not too nuanced for this board
I agree. I mean, I think people start low carb and then go keto just due to impatience. Low carb has some effect but takes longer. Then, either low carb or keto people can start eating big amounts of carbs without issue as long as they don’t do it regularly. Then there is difference between highly active people who can eat some more carbs vs office worker etc.
I speak from own experience. I was 170kg (mega fat) and went down to 130kg in about a year on keto. It was very easy for me, because besides sweets and soda I almost ate keto already. Just had to cut down on bread and pasta.
Now it's another year and I've been lifting. I'm still on keto but nut super strict, I eat probably around 50g of carbs a day. I still don't eat bread or pasta or potatoes, don't feel any desire for them.
>stop drinking 1000+kcal a day
>stop snacking on 2000+kcal a day
>lose weight
Wow keto sure is the only way.
Well, I reduced my calories a lot and it's easy to to do on keto because fatty food is satiating. Also IF.
Yes and that is why it's so fricking annoying.
>CICO is bullshit
>Look I lost weight on a keto diet
Keto works because yes, meat tends to give the best satiety per calorie. That's why it works, you are reducing your calorie intake drastically. But there are negatives to cutting out carbs completely, and that was never the driving force behind the weight loss, the calorie reduction was.
Then there's the garden variety autism that conflates CICO with that it implies that you can and eat whatever you want, and then attack that strawmen. Yes, you can theoretically lose weight on 1000kcal a day of the worst dietary choices possible. That weight loss will have horrible fat/muscle ratio's, you'll feel like shit and your body will probably become unhealthier and atrophy in multiple ways.
Literally just don't be a fricking idiot, eat whole foods in normal portions, avoid alcohol and snacks and losing fat is extremely simple. There is no need for a cult following to any fad diet, the principle of better diet + calorie restriction is simple, well understood and works.
Can I eat potato tho.
Yes you can eat potato. I eat potato, pasta and bread. I tried eating more grains like oats and it isn't agreeing with me, so I will cut that.
Well, I'm not that kind of guy. I don't claim keto is magic. Keto is just easy to maintain. Although keto does have one benefit. Restricting carbs can reverse insulin resistance. If you were not a lardlord like me your whole life it's no concern for you but keto can literally save people frim diabetes. After you reach your healthy weight (and learn good eating practices in general) you can go back to eating carbs. That's what I did, although I still don't eat potatoes or bread on the regular. Not because of restricting myself but because I don't feel like eating these things anymore.
>Restricting carbs can reverse insulin resistance.
Hugh fat ketogenic diets increase insulin resistance, it just masks the symptoms because you dont need as much insulin. Thats not the same thing.
>fatty food is satiating
>also I just didn't eat anything
Keto is good, I started doing it few months ago, I am 164 cm tall but had 100kg. Now I am 87kg. I don't eat potatoes, white bread, white rice or pasta. I eat moderate amount of fruits (only because of vitamins).
I am not saying carbs are bad for you but as another anon said, there are people who spend 8 hours doing office work like me (engineer), so I don't need as much carbs as someone who spends their entire day doing physical labor.
I haven't eaten sugar or any carby/starchy food ever since I started keto and while the first month was the most shittiest one, I got used to it. When I reach my optimal weight (68kg) I might slowly reintroduce carby food like potato again
Boiled potatoes eaten by themselves destroy my blood sugar levels. Same with sultanas. I remember as a kid being given packs of sultanas to eat and I observed it way back then. Now you can argue about “well eat it with other foods”, but this rationale seems wrong to me. If a food fricks with you by itself, there is something wrong with it.
>>it makes you even more hungry
Nope. It fills you the frick up. idiot
i like to eat boiled potato with the chicken
just dont eat rice and other bloating shit
FACTS: The Irish survived only eating potatos.
Cope, seethe and don't forget to lose weight.
is that why they are moronic?
>potato detractor bodies posted ITT: 0
>potato enjoyer bodies posted ITT: 3
Classic keto thread moment
Timestamps on none. Reminder: vegans lie to protect animals
Great argument now post body
>it makes you even more hungry
b8
How many anons here are trolling because I don't know a single bodybuilder that recommends potatoes as a part of healthy diet
My bodybuilder friend is the one who told me to eat more potatoes. She believes that anglos grow well on potatoes and starchy veggies and that asians grow better on rice. I think it's wack but potatoes are great.
>gets BTFO
>"y-you must be trolling"
>I don't know a single bodybuilder that recommends potatoes as a part of healthy diet
Evan Centopani
Frank Mcgrath
Seth Feroce
Just a few off the top of my head
>carbs are... le bad!
Post body ketotard
The match is 4-0 crushing potato victory
5-0*
Not OP but I already mentioned here I am still obese (20kg over the required weight). I used to be 100 kg but I lost 13 kg through my keto diet. So for me, it works.
Also I don't season my meat, I hardly use salt if ever, because I have high blood pressure and doctor told me to cut on salt
>not seasoning meat
So you hate flavor? You might as well replace your meals with onions green
All fat people should kill themselves
>I was fat
>I started eating less
>I'm now less fat
Insane
Nope, more like
>I was fat
>Now I replaced bread, pasta and sugar with veggies, meat and fruits
>now I am less fat
/fit/'s diet is shit. People here will tell you to eat less, but they don't tell you what to eat less. I consumed 2000 kcal daily before diet and I was a fat slob. Now I consume identical amount but oh look at that, my blood pressure has gone down, I sleep better and I started losing weight. Turns out it's not about calories it's about what you consume: 500kcal muffin isn't the same as 500 kcal steamed brocolli with steak
I've posted body ITT and cut on 1800-2200kcal of pretty even carbs/protein/fat macros in the past. Eating a muffin is a terrible choice either way. Meat and eggs is a must in any scenario.
>>Now I replaced bread, pasta and sugar with veggies, meat and fruits
Translation: I started eating less
>I consumed 2000 kcal daily before
>I consume identical amount
You consume less.
>Turns out it's not about calories
It is.
If you lost weight, you started consuming less calories.
If you only changed the shape of your body, you changed which macros you eat more of.
>was eating 2000kcal
>was 100kg
Did you count your soda as 50kcal because you didnt notice "per 100ml" or what.
I didn't drink soda, I drank juice which at the time I thought was better but it's not
>I consumed 2000 kcal daily before diet and I was a fat slob
You were not eating 2k calories bro
yeah probably more than that, but if he is very short 2k might still be excessive. So... either you ate more than 2k or you're a manlet. Chose wisely.
Nah, I'm 5'11 and I work a desk job, barely move around and I eat 2,5k - 3k just to maintain 90kg.
This Black person had to be eating 3k+ calories just for maintenance, but was too fricking stupid to count all the cookies and chocolate milk he was chugging down, so now he thinks keto is some insane diet.
I'm 180cm, was 170kg, went down to 130kg with just diet and now I'm at 107kg (but I've been lifting for ~8months so there's a lot of new muscle). No Idea how many kcals I consumed before my diet but on the diet I was around 2300 - 1700 kcal. I would recalculate my macros every 2-3 months and I tracked everything to autistic detail for about 8 months. After that point I was just eating what I thought was the right amount and apparently I was right since I was still getting more fit.
Believe me I was, here was my diet before keto
>Breakfast from bakery, or the local sandwhich shop + yogurt
>On my lunch break I would eat their daily meal which is something like cream chicken with rice or breaded pork cut with mashed potatoes + bread + salad
>desert I ate one frozen yogurt
>dinner was a bread with something on it, either sweet or savory depends on my mood
And on top of that I would drink juice instead of water. Overall my diet had barely any protein and was 90% carbs. You can see why I had 100kg
My optimal kcal intake is actually 1600 kcal so yes, 2000 kcal is too much, also yes I am a manlet
How much do you weigh now?
87kg
Thanks. I am still fat but I keep going to the hope of getting to that optimal weight so I can stop hating myself when I look in the mirror
>I ate 2000kcal and weighed 100kg
>I eat 2000kcal and weigh 87kg
Become a test subject at MIT, apparently you defy the laws of physics
So under your logic 1600 kcal of junk food is equal to 1600 kcal of lean food
Yeah see this is why I don't follow your advice
1600kcal of food = 1600kcal of food
wtf are you even trying to say Black?
That ain't it holmes. If you eat a bar of chocolate every day you will gain weight regardless how many kcal you take, this is why you are moronic. Yes the quantity of food matters but also the quality of food as well
If you only eat one chocolate bar a day you'll suffer from malnutrition. You won't gain weight but the shit macros will indeed make your body look gross. Also most chocolate calories come from fat.
Bro I'm eating ramen noodles and gummies as we speak.
I've stayed 95kg for the past year on my half meat, half garbage that I like diet.
>bar of chocolate
That's like only 500kcal.
>quality
Irrelevant when it comes to weight gain/loss.
>Bro I'm eating ramen noodles and gummies as we speak.
Enjoy diabetes
>recovering ketolard talking about diabetes
lul
>If you eat a bar of chocolate every day you will gain weight regardless how many kcal you take
ketotardation at work
thats what happens when you deprive your brain of its primary and most easily accessible source of energy
but my brain is never deprived of CICO cultists seething
The fruit juice and no protein was your main problem. Fructose is basically the same as alcohol to the liver, you just don't get "high" on it in the brain. And no protein obviously means no muscles. I'm happy you got in shape.
Is it as bad on fructose if you juice it yourself? It's just the manufactured shit, right? I love my homosexual green carrot juice...
Fructose is fruit sugar.
Say that to my face in real life not online and see what happens b***h.
Frick ketolards and frick vegans. The keto diet fricked me up and most pictures I've seen of vegans they look emaciated. The only normal looking ones are on roids. Meat and potatoes are healthy.
What did it do
>carbs bad
Keto people have just never trained hard enough to need carbs
Potatoes
>high volume per calories
>resistant starches that promote healthy microbiome
>filled with micronutrients
They are a staple of my weight loss diet. When I don’t include them I feel hungrier and keeping calories low is challenging for me.
This is a moronic and heavily misinformed post.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/01/24/the-problem-with-potatoes/#:~:text=%5B1%5D%20However%2C%20potatoes%20don,have%20a%20high%20glycemic%20load).
>be ketolard
>spout random talking point
>get corrected
>spout another random talking point completely unrelated to the original talking point
every time. you mentally ill obsessed morons are just throwing random shit on wall hoping something sticks
>not randomized
>based on self report
>impossible to disentangle confounders
The plain boiled potato is one of the most satiating foods. Most Americans eat potatoes in the form of French fries.
if you need satiating food you are a child
>eating food that puts you on a deficit easier
>childish
Are you saying fatties are mature lmao
Useful when eating OMAD specifically because its an easy way to get calories.
Isn't potato considered one of the most satiating foods per calorie lol?
Bait thread
They're really only bad if you eat them in the form of goyslop, like the shit fried in goybean oil from fast food joints.
yeah I eat potatoes and what you jogger
I HATE POTATOES
FRICK POTATOES
>t. skinny gang
I really don't care for potatoes and every time I say this people lose their fricking minds. They taste like nothing.
Because you don't season them homosexual
You need to put butter on them.
>taste like nothing
There are many factors that affect the taste of potatoes, such as soil type, climate, cooking method and personal preference. However, some general guidelines are:
If you like purple or blue potatoes, you can try Adirondack Blue, Magic Molly or Purple Majesty. They have a unique color and a firm texture that is good for baking, roasting or mashing1.
If you like yellow or buttery potatoes, you can try Carola, Daisy Gold or Yukon Gold. They have a creamy and moist flesh that is good for boiling, mashing or frying12.
If you like white or all-purpose potatoes, you can try Kennebec, Masquerade or Maris Piper. They have a smooth and light skin and a versatile texture that is good for almost any dish134.
>potato
>makes you even more hungry
moron
ITT: deranged diabetics shill CICO
nothing new
Potato enjoyer bodies posted ITT: 7
Ketoschizo bodies posted ITT: 0
NO CONTEST
all roiders
>All roiders
These physiques are entirely attainable, maybe not through keto.
Because it's so difficult to steal someone else's photo and change the filename.
This thread is full of small men weighing less than 200lbs not even bulked up.
When you pathetic little guys actually want to get big you will be thanking the Gods for the blessed carb nugget that is the potato
The potato does not discriminate. It will feed twinks, ottermodes, big guys and bloatlord powershitters all the same. In whatever way you apply the potato, it will never disappoint you. It is the perfect weapon in the crusade against the scourge of ketotards.
Hes one of the only perma keto people I could name and he looks pretty good
Or are we playing that game where we use the worst examples of fat fricking living on cheese and bacon while ignoring all the science about how benefical a keto diet can be?
Fat fricks*
>CICOphrenics getting BTFO by real life and facts
you love to see it
Boiled mashed potatoes (BMP) with butter are undeniably the GOAT.
Source:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26878318/
>The effects of potatoes and other carbohydrate side dishes consumed with meat on food intake, glycemia and satiety response in children
>Whoever started including potatoes in a normal diet needs to be banished to the deepest pit of hell. This is not even a vegetable, this is as bad as burger or candy.
back in the day, when people had to work for a living, carbs weren't bad, they were fuel, peasants needed a lot of calories to work the land and all other manual labour that's done by engines these days... people make carbs look bad, they aren't bad, you should eat them if you need energy, if you are sedentary you don't need much carbs, they are just gonna be turned into fat and stored
>The effects of potatoes and other carbohydrate side dishes consumed with meat on food intake
Anyone who goes on about insulin or blood sugar spikes are fat and DYEL
Enjoy poisoning yourself with plant defense chemicals
Potatoes are pretty clean bro especially if you peel them and pressure cook them, or just boil them for a long time.
Only produced in rotten potatoes
Try again
Wrong, better do your research anon
Solanine is only present in harmful amounts in rotten potatoes.
>but
Apple seeds have cyanide in them. Not hazardous unless you eat half a cup of pure apple seeds
>eating only a little bit of poison is fine
>poison is poison in any amount
Wew lad
Well friend you go ahead and enjoy, I'll still to food that has no poison instead
Enjoy your hormone laden unnaturally fed meat bro
Nice strawman now address the point. You can't
What point? That water is a poison? You sound like an idiot. Solanine is categorized as a poison at any quantity.
Again, missing the point totally. Have a good day friend
Water is poison if you drink too much. I guess nobody should drink water huh
>article is talking about toxic potatoes aka rotten ones
>hahahahaa all potatoes bad
I accidentally started a low carb (not keto) diet by eating nothing but burgers every day and it changed my body and strength levels (and I assume hormone levels) completely. I used to eat the "healthy" diet, because I trusted the authorities. Eventually, I stopped trusting everything I read and worked shit out for myself. It is all a lie. You will find out one day. Either that or you will live a life of mediocre health when you are young, and terrible health when you are old.
Nice blog post. Nobody cares
this is the depressed attitude you get on high carb once diabetes sets in. sad to see, but not really because people deserve their fate.
Says the guy whos idea of healthy is eating burgers constantly lol
No that isn’t what I eat now, it just showed effects of high carb vs low carb
10 out of 10 people shortly quit keto because it makes everyone trying it sick. Yet for whatever reason this place is full of shills like you saying it totally works bruhhhh. Yet your kind does not exist anywhere IRL. What motivates you to lie here?
Literally first few words in my post is that I don’t do keto. How moronic are you people exactly
I don't see how the "mediterrainian diet" is low carb. It specifically says to avoid dairy and fatty meat other than fish and olive oil. So... they must just eat nothing but salmon and put olive oil on everything they consume to get enough fat to be considered low carb.
whats the verdict on white/brown rice?
White is more digestible, easier to eat, goes better with dishes, better for bulking.
Brown has more protein, is more satiating, tastes worse, has phytic acid, better for cutting if you like it? I still prefer potatoes for both.
I take days off of potato consumption just to make it a bit easier on my competition. All the potassium making life so easy, got damn. Ketoschizos missing out on carb power.
>>no other macronutrients
>>it makes you even more hungry
so insulin goes up
Do idiots actually believe this? The potato is the most satiating food there is.
>people have been eating potatoes for thousands of years
>they are actually horrible for you though trust me
what do you call this?
How many potatoes, what type of potatoes, what was the rest of their diet, how much exercise did they do.
I am not exaggerating when I say that high carb diets are the cause of all problems in the world, and also on other planets.
>humanity eating potatoes for hundreds of years all over the world, many generations saved from starvation thanks to potatoes
>ketolards with diabetes and high blood pressure on IST: NOOOOO, THEY ARE BAD FOR YOU