No, the more important things are diet, exercise and sleep. All these skincare retards obsess over putting on sunscreen the minute they wake up, but then they'll go and eat a donut or drink coffee in the evening without a second thought. Sunscreen is sticky and annoying, fuck that shit, there is nothing wrong with looking your age.
And by the way, I've yet to see any skincare people that actually look significantly younger for their age. Sure their skin might be a little more smooth, but it's clear there's more to looking young than surface level skin texture.
Not gonna post a photo of myself but starting sunscreen use actually reversed a lot of the damage to my skin and look younger comparing older photos.
It’s fine to get sun exposure but beyond 15 mins it’s unnecessary and overkill for vit d as it caps out at that time frame.
It’s also fine if you like having wrinkles or freckles but for light skin its not good having much sun exposure and damage given the skin cancer rates.
For those who care about rejuvenation sunscreen minimizes the sun damage throughout the day so when your body starts repairing during your sleep it’s in turn less damage to fix and thus you can actually reverse it and get a younger looking skin, deep wrinkle folds won’t disappear but because I fixed my habits on my 20s the fine lines I started to get were almost gone a year or two after. Even then, if you have deep folds the look will be diminished with a proper routine of cleanser+moisturizer+sunscreen because a hydrated skin casts less shadows and thus your wrinkles will appear lighter and healthier looking, aka subsurface scattering is increased and skin looks like it has a glow to it. >t. Have extremely fair and fragile skin due to genetics, at least 2 boomer relatives started to develop skin cancer and had the chunk removed but once it starts you have to get checked out regularly. I’d rather skip that stress. I avoid the sun, use glasses, hats or stay in the shade beyond the 15 min mark.
UVA and UVB both cause sun damage at different skin depth causing your cells to break down prematurely and may cause dna damage in the process, you don’t need a full blown sunburn for sun damage to occur over time. >“UVB is responsible for most sunburns. UVA penetrates deep into the skin. It ages the skin but contributes much less towards sunburn.”
I don’t know about hot showers some do recommend it for blood circulation iirc but for skin texture cold showers always come up as best choice.
If it’s skin what you care about hot showers dry the fuck out of it, but not having your face constantly under the water may be ok I do the same since I only take cold showers occasionally. I’d recommend doing some research.
>No, the more important things are diet, exercise and sleep.
Even if that were the case, sun damage is still an extremely evident factor over a lifetime.
>Could it be the radiation coming from the massive, superhot ball of burning gas in the sky that's giving me cancer? >No, it must be this man made cream
But also consuming söybeans will turn you into a woman and eating a single vegetable will fill your body with so many antinutrients that you'll lose all your gains overnight. And also humans aren't meant to run or partake in any sort of strenuous aerobic activities.
Bro are you retarded? Sunscreen is for white people because white people come from regions of little sun so their pigmentation can soak up as much as possible. Black people, arabs are fine without sunscreen.
Are you retarded? You have a point if you live in Florida or something, but if you live in a part of the world your ancestors have for millenia, or somewhere with an equivalent climate, you are by the same reasoning perfectly adapted to the sun of those regions and have no need for sunscreen.
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I actually do live in florida so that’s probably why i answered that way. Many people I know here look like god damn husks. Many white people here actually fried the fuck out. Im white and theres dudes my age looking ten years older easily off that alone. But youre right, if youre living near where your people come from, youre probably fine.
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Fair enough then mate. I can't blame you for using sunscreen in those circumstances. The issue is when people, including "experts", say that everyone everywhere unconditionally needs to slather themselves in sunscreen if they as much sit near a window. I don't buy it.
Pretty sure cancer is more common now because the life expectancy has never been this long in history before, I’d rather avoid skin cancer if given the chance but I admit skin products are poorly regulated
>Humans have spent hundreds of thousands of years without sunscreen >DUDE you NEED sunblock, humans aren't MEANT to be in the sun
Yeah because if you were white you lived in northern Europe and got so little sun your bones would bend from rickets if you weren't so pale.
Otherwise, 50/50 odds you'd be dead by 40 anyways so it's not like skin cancer really was going to bother you.
Now put white people in Australia and shit gets fucked up
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tell me about the Australians, im curious now
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I live in Sweden 🙂 I VILL NOT stop basking in the rays of the Nordic Sun naked for multiple hours a day. I was made for this Sun, my body fashioned for it. It gives me my strength and vigour.
>there's no sun in the north
this is such a bullshit argument, when I was in university I had a summer job working in the canadian arctic and on the first day I forgot my hat when we went out and I got so fucking burnt, worst burn I've ever had by far.
trust me, the sun still shines up there, and in the summer it never drops below the horizon
actually there has been research stating an accumulation of heavy metals in the blood from sunblock usage but not to an unsafe amount. as for the chemicals, i still dont trust encasing your skin in a slurry of mystery goo is 100% consequence free. i stick with the mineral stuff.
Yes. Choose your cream carefully. Also, garden gnome's in the FDA won't approve new sunscreens for garden gnome reasons. Europeans have many more options than Americans.
I’d like to see the statistic of how many of those diagnosed with skin cancer used sunscreen at all.
Not defending oxybenzone but the statement by itself seems to rely only in correlation.
>we lived for centuries, especially nonwhites got huge civilizations like mayas and what not >no problem >today >u need to apply sun protection or you will die
yeah nah Im good bro
I unironically do not trust doctors
>she thinks replying to me will make me wear sunscreen
the fact that you replied to my post show you are a low life subhuman
get a job you worthless animal, and enjoy your uv protection screen you can have mine
>why would i die of skin cancer at 55 if i can die of appendicitis at 15?
dummie
>she thinks replying to me will make me wear sunscreen
the fact that you replied to my post show you are a low life subhuman
get a job you worthless animal, and enjoy your uv protection screen you can have mine
>Subconsciously people with better skin get treated better.
Even if you're joking this is 100% true. When I'm clean shaven people guess that I'm ~10 years younger than I am, also I have a nice boyish charm that people gravitate towards
putting sunscreen on in the morning before going out. Washing your face and putting on moisturizer before bed.
That is 90% of it.
Then by your late 20s you should start using retinol building up from once a week to every other day or so, also at night before bed.
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I thought you put moisturizer on your face in the morning after showering?
If applying at night before bed, won't it just rub off onto your pillow?
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Why would your face touch your pillow? Do you sleep on your belly?
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On the contrary, do you sleep only on your back? It should be common sense that half your face will be in contact with your pillow when you sleep on your side. And if you're a flipper, almost your entire face will make contact.
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Even if it does most absorption occurs in the 5-10 minutes after application. If I don’t apply at night my face will be dry yet clogged as fuck in the morning.
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not him by why exactly is washing your face important? obviously, you're getting dirt and grime off your skin but aren't you also removing natural oils from your skin?
also, where i live, the tap water has trace amounts of chlorine in it so every time i take a shower my skin feels dry and shitty. i hate it so much
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Shower water filter exists
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the sunscreen stops working after 2 hours, then what?
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There isn't a plan, as no one outside of maybe someone at the beach or on a long climb is going to stop and reapply sunscreen from their 1 lb tube they keep with them. Presumably though even a small reduction in UV would be positive. The better option is really to dramatically reduce sun exposure and wear clothing that covers you
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Retinol once a week is enough, if not too many for some, depends on what the issue is
putting sunscreen on in the morning before going out. Washing your face and putting on moisturizer before bed.
That is 90% of it.
Then by your late 20s you should start using retinol building up from once a week to every other day or so, also at night before bed.
said. I'd also add a vitamin C serum in there.
The big three are cleanser, moisturizer and sunscreen. It's like OHP, Bench and Squat. With that most of your strength/size comes along with it.
Everything else is adjunct. Tret is prescription so tread carefully.
LMFAO what? Right looks way better. Left has fucking pimples and a turkey neck. >But muh smokers mouth wrinkles
Who gives a shit, left is ugly as fuck and looks like a cunt.
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Same story here. The "older" looking one on the left looks way better. Right looks like it could be her brother lmao. Left's wrinkles don't look nearly as bad as right's fat droopy jowls.
Right looks healthier. Left has a younger skin but looks odd
No it doesn't. It makes moles darker which leads to people getting them checked out which leads to more melanoma cases. Also because you need to spend more time in the sun to get it to work it increases the risk but that's the same as muh exposure.
Melanomas cause skin pigmentation not the other way around. No-one has been able to describe why melanotan would cause melanomas. Only anecdotes of people taking it, noticing moles cos they're more visible, then getting them checked out and finding out it's melanoma.
>“You’re stimulating pigment cells with Melanotan-II. If you do that enough, you can cause abnormal proliferation of the cells,” said Dr John Frew, who is a dermatologist at Liverpool Hospital and Conjoint Senior Lecturer at UNSW Medicine & Health. “And this can jumpstart the progression to the possible development of melanoma.”
>Previous case reports have shown some Melanotan-II users develop skin-based complications, including melanoma, however the evidence is still limited.
>“Case reports have described melanomas emerging from existing moles either during or shortly after the use of Melanotan-II,” said Professor Bernard Stewart from UNSW Medicine & Health, who is an internationally recognised expert in environmental carcinogenesis (cancer causation). “However, evidence for causal associations is lacking… Definitive proof is yet to be established.”
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>If you do that enough, you can cause abnormal proliferation of the cells.
I'd love to hear what he considers "enough". Again, the complications surrounding MTII are almost always a result of insane dosage amounts. If you just want a light bronze, you're fine.
>Be me >Pale Irish kid >Noticed my dad is leather skinned >Notice he's literally outside 24/7 >Start going outside all the time >Stop wrapping up in 3 layers of clothes >Wear t-shirt and shorts all the time >Only ever wear a gilet if very cold. >Get to summer, skin already conditioned to the outdoors >Never wear suncream >Always eat fishy diet or Omega 3 and 6 vitamins to help skin >Always moisturise >Literally have sun kissed skin all year round with no wrinkles.
It's as simple as that. Irish and celts stayed in the sun days on end farming and construction. We naturally darker then the Scandinavians and nordic types
Based, except Scandis tan alot more than Celts actually, see Dolph Lundgren. Otherwise true. I live in northern scandinavia and every old fisherman is tanned as fuck while the younger people are all pale. Ask yourself, what is more likely, were we never able to tan and need globohomo product 193304# to survive in our natural habitat or is modern life bullshit?
I think nature intended you to get tan from gradual exposure
from winter to peak summer is a gradual increase in the "strength" of the sun, your tan should follow this aswell from pale to tan over many months.
Yeah they're the differences being smoking and not being fat.
When you get older, being fat will fill out your skin as it loses elasticity. >Jeanne (left) is the twin who commented that her sister looks “ten years older” — in fact, the researchers upped that to an 11-and-a-quarter-year edge. The reasons for Susan’s condition are that she smoked for 16 years of her life, sunbathes, and weighs 15 pounds less. Since her 20s, Susan (right) has spent as much time as she could in the sun (she has plenty of opportunity on Florida’s east coast, where she moved more than a decade ago). Jeanne, meanwhile, has aimed for “as little exposure as possible.” Besides causing Susan’s dark, patchy discoloration and age spots, UV light also reduces skin’s elasticity, increasing wrinkles and deepening creases, Guyuron says.
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Age: 27
Dina (left) weighs 50 pounds less than Gina (right), and hence looks younger, Guyuron says. “The added weight on Gina takes away definition in her jawline and projection in her cheekbones” — key factors in a youthful-looking face for women under 40, he notes. Dina, who lives in Georgia, actually reported significantly more sun exposure than her sister, in Florida. But for women in their 20s and 30s, whose sun damage hasn’t yet become fully visible, weighing less temporarily plays a more definitive role in looking younger, Guyuron says.
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
Yes, not smoking and exercise are important. Sunscreen is part of taking care of yourself
that dudes face is busted and old either way
i will happily accept having a few more wrinkles on my cheeks for a lifetime of enjoying the sunshine and the outdoors without being covered in fucked up chemical layers
that dudes face is busted and old either way
i will happily accept having a few more wrinkles on my cheeks for a lifetime of enjoying the sunshine and the outdoors without being covered in fucked up chemical layers
this person was a bus driver for many years, his left side faced the sun if you couldnt tell
It didn't face sun. It faced uva radiation that the glass was transporent to. He was getting bad uva non stop while not getting any uvb or infra red. It's like showing a pic of a fat slotlb who eats 3 kg of pure sugar and making a conclusion that the fruit is bad for you as it contain sugar.
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
LMFAO what? Right looks way better. Left has fucking pimples and a turkey neck. >But muh smokers mouth wrinkles
Who gives a shit, left is ugly as fuck and looks like a cunt.
https://i.imgur.com/AvBEjsD.jpg
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
Same story here. The "older" looking one on the left looks way better. Right looks like it could be her brother lmao. Left's wrinkles don't look nearly as bad as right's fat droopy jowls.
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
Old women are ugly.
There's no way to not be an ugger bugger when you're a geezer.
I wear sunscreen because sunburns hurt and are gross.
Probably. I'm covered in moles and live in a sunny place in Oz. I'm thinking a little every day too keep the tan and minimize excess exposure. I think it's regular burning which causes cancers. But by the time you're 60-70 your number is coming up eventually. Unless you've been a Chad your whole life it was over before it started.
>Artificial chemicals are good for you
You should drink Bleach, it's mostly water and it's 100 percent cleaner than anything from nature. Are you guys not Bleachmaxxing?
it's basically just this. safe way to apply and use sunscreen and getting all the benefits thereof without chemicals. IST as always is composed of ugly, balding, dyel gays >inb4 projection
I will continue looking great for decades whilst you unironically committ suicide because you're full of wrinkles with a norwood 4 at 30 years old
It's impractical to actually block sun for any extended period.
You have to put it on thick and then reapply it every hour. You're not practically getting enough coverage to get 100 spf or whatever is claimed on the label. It can help a little bit you shouldn't rely on it to avoid sun damage. Instead limit your time outside or put a barrier between the sun and you as the primary tactic. If you need sunscreen for the couple minutes you have to be out,on exposed parts of skin fine. But you're not realistically putting on sunscreen and going out for a few hours without taking massive rads.
Download the app "Yuka" and scan the barcode of the nearest bottle you can find. Most have ingredients which can be carginogec or endorcrine disruptorsa
one reason I'm glad the 100% peanuts butter is becoming a fad, it's become cheaper than before
still dunno if bean oil is as bad as regular sneed, but I don't buy it too often
"o-oh no! I will exposure my skin to sunlight for 7 minutes at 6:49 (living in temperate zone) (applies over a gallon of sunscreen)"
if you don't live between tropic of cancer and tropic of capricorn (or close) sunscreen is a meme, moisturizer is enough if you want to take care of your skin
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26992108/ >"Women with active sun exposure habits were mainly at a lower risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) and noncancer/non-CVD death as compared to those who avoided sun exposure"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7400257/ >Studies in the past decade indicate that insufficient sun exposure may be responsible for 340,000 deaths in the United States and 480,000 deaths in Europe per year, and an increased incidence of breast cancer, colorectal cancer, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, autism, asthma, type 1 diabetes and myopia.
Many such cases
Just don't be retarded and roast your skin for hours on end between 11am-2pm in the summer
It does, go for highest you can afford, take into account the actual coverage is less than advertised because no one likes a thick tacky layer. It’s why you look for the shade regardless if you use sunscreen or not
No. It's a stimulus that creates adaptation and makes you look healthy. 10-15 mins must be the maximum if you're standing in the equator in the middle of the day otherwise it's way too little time to do anything.
I live nearby the equator, if you live in northern 6 month snow frozen hellscape by all means knock yourself out, it’s useful to check your vit d levels once in a while anyway.
btw I’d see Canadians overdo it and bask directly under the summer sun for half a fucking day, lunatics think looking like a cooked lobster is healthy.
this board is so terrified of anything synthetic that they would rather call sunblock goyslop than accept that getting sunburned is literally damaging cells and mutating dna. the pros outweigh any identifiable cons.
You'll notice that before sunscreen came along there was basically no reports of skin cancer. Ancient times? no skin cancer. WW1? no skin cancer. Sun screen causes skin cancer and then they tell you sun screen is the way to stop it, it's fucking genius.
What if instead of using sunscreen you limited sun exposure either by seeking out shade or wearing protective clothing? I can't imagine sunscreen blocks everything harmful from the sun. Basting your skin in oily chemicals to prevent burning seems like a poor choice compared to simply not roasting your skin in the sun.
Staying in the shade is obviously the best solution, if it's an available option. If you have to work in a field all day I suppose that would be difficult, it would be too hot to wear full clothing. I often wear long-sleeve surf shirts that are super thin so they give shade but don't trap heat. Especially a white one would be useful for reflecting even more sunlight.
I have light weight white long sleeve under armor shirts and leggings and a wide brimmed hat and that works well. It might look a little goofy but I don't care.
>Willfuly rubbing endocrine disrupting chemicals on yourself just to avoid a little sun.
If you aren't naked and in the summer sun every day and you do this you are a grade A retarded moron.
If you are constantly exposed to sunlight through windows you’re still going to receive UVA and UVB radiation, for the exception of front windshield windows or windows produced at similar high quality (aka most likely not your workplace or rented apartment)
#1 measure for reducing visible aging
This. Contrarians rage against it for.. some reason.
Because it's epic to be le schizo online. I understand a general skepticism of medicine and shit but c'mon lmao.
Whatever. If you lift and take care of your skin you'll be really far ahead of a lot of guys.
No, the more important things are diet, exercise and sleep. All these skincare retards obsess over putting on sunscreen the minute they wake up, but then they'll go and eat a donut or drink coffee in the evening without a second thought. Sunscreen is sticky and annoying, fuck that shit, there is nothing wrong with looking your age.
And by the way, I've yet to see any skincare people that actually look significantly younger for their age. Sure their skin might be a little more smooth, but it's clear there's more to looking young than surface level skin texture.
Not gonna post a photo of myself but starting sunscreen use actually reversed a lot of the damage to my skin and look younger comparing older photos.
It’s fine to get sun exposure but beyond 15 mins it’s unnecessary and overkill for vit d as it caps out at that time frame.
It’s also fine if you like having wrinkles or freckles but for light skin its not good having much sun exposure and damage given the skin cancer rates.
For those who care about rejuvenation sunscreen minimizes the sun damage throughout the day so when your body starts repairing during your sleep it’s in turn less damage to fix and thus you can actually reverse it and get a younger looking skin, deep wrinkle folds won’t disappear but because I fixed my habits on my 20s the fine lines I started to get were almost gone a year or two after. Even then, if you have deep folds the look will be diminished with a proper routine of cleanser+moisturizer+sunscreen because a hydrated skin casts less shadows and thus your wrinkles will appear lighter and healthier looking, aka subsurface scattering is increased and skin looks like it has a glow to it.
>t. Have extremely fair and fragile skin due to genetics, at least 2 boomer relatives started to develop skin cancer and had the chunk removed but once it starts you have to get checked out regularly. I’d rather skip that stress. I avoid the sun, use glasses, hats or stay in the shade beyond the 15 min mark.
Is it sun rays that do it or heat? I take fairly hot showers every day but dont have my face under the water. Not sure if it matters.
UVA and UVB both cause sun damage at different skin depth causing your cells to break down prematurely and may cause dna damage in the process, you don’t need a full blown sunburn for sun damage to occur over time.
>“UVB is responsible for most sunburns. UVA penetrates deep into the skin. It ages the skin but contributes much less towards sunburn.”
I don’t know about hot showers some do recommend it for blood circulation iirc but for skin texture cold showers always come up as best choice.
If it’s skin what you care about hot showers dry the fuck out of it, but not having your face constantly under the water may be ok I do the same since I only take cold showers occasionally. I’d recommend doing some research.
>No, the more important things are diet, exercise and sleep.
Even if that were the case, sun damage is still an extremely evident factor over a lifetime.
Probably gives you some disease
so does the sun
my grandparents were farmers
all day under the sun
no sunscreen
no skin cancer
its all a lie
My aunt developed alopecia because of some ingredient in it
Prevents skin damage from UV rays. You know, what it says on the bottle
hot new copnpsiracy theory is that it is the chemicals in the cream reacting to sunlight that causes cancer
>Could it be the radiation coming from the massive, superhot ball of burning gas in the sky that's giving me cancer?
>No, it must be this man made cream
IST believes anything natural cannot cause any harm and everything man made is deadly
But also consuming söybeans will turn you into a woman and eating a single vegetable will fill your body with so many antinutrients that you'll lose all your gains overnight. And also humans aren't meant to run or partake in any sort of strenuous aerobic activities.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210526/p2a/00m/0sc/014000c
People who eat a lot of onions are more feminine
>Verification not required
that's on a regular basis, true
>not snakebite maxxing to train your immune system
You're leaving gains on the table brah
>implying cancer is bad
Good goy.
>Humans have spent hundreds of thousands of years without sunscreen
>DUDE you NEED sunblock, humans aren't MEANT to be in the sun
Bro are you retarded? Sunscreen is for white people because white people come from regions of little sun so their pigmentation can soak up as much as possible. Black people, arabs are fine without sunscreen.
What about whites that turn brown in the sun
nta but most runners always look fucked up with raisin skin without fail, not any different from cunts addicted to tanning beds
They say it's because of wind resistance when runner. Wind fucks up skin more than the sun in all honestly
Are you retarded? You have a point if you live in Florida or something, but if you live in a part of the world your ancestors have for millenia, or somewhere with an equivalent climate, you are by the same reasoning perfectly adapted to the sun of those regions and have no need for sunscreen.
I actually do live in florida so that’s probably why i answered that way. Many people I know here look like god damn husks. Many white people here actually fried the fuck out. Im white and theres dudes my age looking ten years older easily off that alone. But youre right, if youre living near where your people come from, youre probably fine.
Fair enough then mate. I can't blame you for using sunscreen in those circumstances. The issue is when people, including "experts", say that everyone everywhere unconditionally needs to slather themselves in sunscreen if they as much sit near a window. I don't buy it.
Pretty sure cancer is more common now because the life expectancy has never been this long in history before, I’d rather avoid skin cancer if given the chance but I admit skin products are poorly regulated
Correct
Yeah because if you were white you lived in northern Europe and got so little sun your bones would bend from rickets if you weren't so pale.
Otherwise, 50/50 odds you'd be dead by 40 anyways so it's not like skin cancer really was going to bother you.
Now put white people in Australia and shit gets fucked up
tell me about the Australians, im curious now
I live in Sweden 🙂 I VILL NOT stop basking in the rays of the Nordic Sun naked for multiple hours a day. I was made for this Sun, my body fashioned for it. It gives me my strength and vigour.
Cancer is more comon now than in the 80s when people had a higher life expectancy and didn't use sunscreen.
>What is increase in cancer screening
>Northern Europeans lived in Arizona and Australia for hundreds of thousands of years
Lmao, retard.
>there's no sun in the north
this is such a bullshit argument, when I was in university I had a summer job working in the canadian arctic and on the first day I forgot my hat when we went out and I got so fucking burnt, worst burn I've ever had by far.
trust me, the sun still shines up there, and in the summer it never drops below the horizon
Also another place where white people never lived
actually there has been research stating an accumulation of heavy metals in the blood from sunblock usage but not to an unsafe amount. as for the chemicals, i still dont trust encasing your skin in a slurry of mystery goo is 100% consequence free. i stick with the mineral stuff.
The sun has been around forever but yeah its the sun that's giving you cancer not these goy chemicals coming from the sunscreen.
LMAO shut up bitch!
White people have always been living in Florida and Australia too right??
LMAO shut up moron!
Yes. Choose your cream carefully. Also, garden gnome's in the FDA won't approve new sunscreens for garden gnome reasons. Europeans have many more options than Americans.
I’d like to see the statistic of how many of those diagnosed with skin cancer used sunscreen at all.
Not defending oxybenzone but the statement by itself seems to rely only in correlation.
Tastes great
probably as bad for you as getting direct sunlight so basically pick your poison.
It actually destroys your skin.
I never use it and my skin is perfect. But I also avoid stress and the sun
>we lived for centuries, especially nonwhites got huge civilizations like mayas and what not
>no problem
>today
>u need to apply sun protection or you will die
yeah nah Im good bro
I unironically do not trust doctors
>comparing ages where life expectancy used to be 30 years with nowadays
dumb chud
>doesn't understand life expectancy stats include dead kids
ngmi
>why would i die of skin cancer at 55 if i can die of appendicitis at 15?
dummie
>she thinks replying to me will make me wear sunscreen
the fact that you replied to my post show you are a low life subhuman
get a job you worthless animal, and enjoy your uv protection screen you can have mine
Skin didn't matter back then retard.
If you're not skinmaxxing you're not living your optimal potential. Subconsciously people with better skin get treated better.
It's also about respecting yourself dumb retard. You don't 'need' to bench 2 plates either but it's nice.
>Subconsciously people with better skin get treated better.
Even if you're joking this is 100% true. When I'm clean shaven people guess that I'm ~10 years younger than I am, also I have a nice boyish charm that people gravitate towards
I'm not joking lol.
Not to sound like a feminist gay because I'm not. But looks don't matter as much for men, at least in terms of skin/hair care.
However, it will give you an edge in your career and social life.
You're either blind or in denial lmao. Skincare takes an extra 3 minutes in the morning, a lot easier than coping on this board.
Define skincare
putting sunscreen on in the morning before going out. Washing your face and putting on moisturizer before bed.
That is 90% of it.
Then by your late 20s you should start using retinol building up from once a week to every other day or so, also at night before bed.
I thought you put moisturizer on your face in the morning after showering?
If applying at night before bed, won't it just rub off onto your pillow?
Why would your face touch your pillow? Do you sleep on your belly?
On the contrary, do you sleep only on your back? It should be common sense that half your face will be in contact with your pillow when you sleep on your side. And if you're a flipper, almost your entire face will make contact.
Even if it does most absorption occurs in the 5-10 minutes after application. If I don’t apply at night my face will be dry yet clogged as fuck in the morning.
not him by why exactly is washing your face important? obviously, you're getting dirt and grime off your skin but aren't you also removing natural oils from your skin?
also, where i live, the tap water has trace amounts of chlorine in it so every time i take a shower my skin feels dry and shitty. i hate it so much
Shower water filter exists
the sunscreen stops working after 2 hours, then what?
There isn't a plan, as no one outside of maybe someone at the beach or on a long climb is going to stop and reapply sunscreen from their 1 lb tube they keep with them. Presumably though even a small reduction in UV would be positive. The better option is really to dramatically reduce sun exposure and wear clothing that covers you
Retinol once a week is enough, if not too many for some, depends on what the issue is
What
said. I'd also add a vitamin C serum in there.
The big three are cleanser, moisturizer and sunscreen. It's like OHP, Bench and Squat. With that most of your strength/size comes along with it.
Everything else is adjunct. Tret is prescription so tread carefully.
You guys are just contrarian.
give me your strongest skinmaxxing routine
this is the same strawman leftist use when saying children dont die from people in drag.
Northern Europeans also never lived in Arizona or Australia.
So what's your point?
they still dont
I'm a pasty white celtic boy, how do i get a tan while not getting burned
Gradual exposure
High saturated fat intake
Low linoleic acid intake
Sunburn is a fat intake problem
Melanotan
that shit is poison and causes skin cancer
No it doesn't. It makes moles darker which leads to people getting them checked out which leads to more melanoma cases. Also because you need to spend more time in the sun to get it to work it increases the risk but that's the same as muh exposure.
no, it stimulates your skin cell's pigmentation response which is going to cause melanoma
Melanomas cause skin pigmentation not the other way around. No-one has been able to describe why melanotan would cause melanomas. Only anecdotes of people taking it, noticing moles cos they're more visible, then getting them checked out and finding out it's melanoma.
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/health/what-melanotan-ii-drug-tga-urges-consumers-avoid
>“You’re stimulating pigment cells with Melanotan-II. If you do that enough, you can cause abnormal proliferation of the cells,” said Dr John Frew, who is a dermatologist at Liverpool Hospital and Conjoint Senior Lecturer at UNSW Medicine & Health. “And this can jumpstart the progression to the possible development of melanoma.”
>Previous case reports have shown some Melanotan-II users develop skin-based complications, including melanoma, however the evidence is still limited.
>“Case reports have described melanomas emerging from existing moles either during or shortly after the use of Melanotan-II,” said Professor Bernard Stewart from UNSW Medicine & Health, who is an internationally recognised expert in environmental carcinogenesis (cancer causation). “However, evidence for causal associations is lacking… Definitive proof is yet to be established.”
>If you do that enough, you can cause abnormal proliferation of the cells.
I'd love to hear what he considers "enough". Again, the complications surrounding MTII are almost always a result of insane dosage amounts. If you just want a light bronze, you're fine.
>Be me
>Pale Irish kid
>Noticed my dad is leather skinned
>Notice he's literally outside 24/7
>Start going outside all the time
>Stop wrapping up in 3 layers of clothes
>Wear t-shirt and shorts all the time
>Only ever wear a gilet if very cold.
>Get to summer, skin already conditioned to the outdoors
>Never wear suncream
>Always eat fishy diet or Omega 3 and 6 vitamins to help skin
>Always moisturise
>Literally have sun kissed skin all year round with no wrinkles.
It's as simple as that. Irish and celts stayed in the sun days on end farming and construction. We naturally darker then the Scandinavians and nordic types
Based, except Scandis tan alot more than Celts actually, see Dolph Lundgren. Otherwise true. I live in northern scandinavia and every old fisherman is tanned as fuck while the younger people are all pale. Ask yourself, what is more likely, were we never able to tan and need globohomo product 193304# to survive in our natural habitat or is modern life bullshit?
I think nature intended you to get tan from gradual exposure
from winter to peak summer is a gradual increase in the "strength" of the sun, your tan should follow this aswell from pale to tan over many months.
Skin cancer cases skyrocketed after we started using it.
got myself some sunscreen spray today , this one doesn't smell like watermelon tho , Im ready for the itsoverformethissummer , yes.
just get a decent sunscreen that doesn't have any carcinogenics in it
These are twins that did something different to their skin throughout the years.
Your choice.
Yeah they're the differences being smoking and not being fat.
When you get older, being fat will fill out your skin as it loses elasticity.
>Jeanne (left) is the twin who commented that her sister looks “ten years older” — in fact, the researchers upped that to an 11-and-a-quarter-year edge. The reasons for Susan’s condition are that she smoked for 16 years of her life, sunbathes, and weighs 15 pounds less. Since her 20s, Susan (right) has spent as much time as she could in the sun (she has plenty of opportunity on Florida’s east coast, where she moved more than a decade ago). Jeanne, meanwhile, has aimed for “as little exposure as possible.” Besides causing Susan’s dark, patchy discoloration and age spots, UV light also reduces skin’s elasticity, increasing wrinkles and deepening creases, Guyuron says.
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Dina and Gina
Age: 27
Dina (left) weighs 50 pounds less than Gina (right), and hence looks younger, Guyuron says. “The added weight on Gina takes away definition in her jawline and projection in her cheekbones” — key factors in a youthful-looking face for women under 40, he notes. Dina, who lives in Georgia, actually reported significantly more sun exposure than her sister, in Florida. But for women in their 20s and 30s, whose sun damage hasn’t yet become fully visible, weighing less temporarily plays a more definitive role in looking younger, Guyuron says.
Yes, not smoking and exercise are important. Sunscreen is part of taking care of yourself
that dudes face is busted and old either way
i will happily accept having a few more wrinkles on my cheeks for a lifetime of enjoying the sunshine and the outdoors without being covered in fucked up chemical layers
the dude wasn't applying sunscreen to either side. If they were they would look even younger on the shaded side.
>applying sunscreen protects skin from the shade
lol
lmao
this person was a bus driver for many years, his left side faced the sun if you couldnt tell
It didn't face sun. It faced uva radiation that the glass was transporent to. He was getting bad uva non stop while not getting any uvb or infra red. It's like showing a pic of a fat slotlb who eats 3 kg of pure sugar and making a conclusion that the fruit is bad for you as it contain sugar.
>Brenda (left) looks significantly older than Barb (right), who lives near her in Ontario, Canada. (“I love being called the younger one,” Barb says, laughing.) Brenda has smoked half a pack a day for 14 years, while Barb has never smoked. Brenda also reported seven times more sun exposure (primarily over eight to ten weeks of the year for 30 years, at an estimated 14 hours a week, versus two hours a week for Barb). “The festoons of loose skin” under Brenda’s eyes are attributable to her cigarette habit, says Dr. Bahman Guyuron, a plastic surgeon at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University “When I see that [on patients], I don’t have to ask if they smoke. I know they do.”
Both look like complete shit in both pictures.
LMFAO what? Right looks way better. Left has fucking pimples and a turkey neck.
>But muh smokers mouth wrinkles
Who gives a shit, left is ugly as fuck and looks like a cunt.
Same story here. The "older" looking one on the left looks way better. Right looks like it could be her brother lmao. Left's wrinkles don't look nearly as bad as right's fat droopy jowls.
You are so fucking stupid I'm not even going to respond, just feel bad for how difficult it must be for you to navitgate life.
You like fat bitches, I get it.
Right looks healthier. Left has a younger skin but looks odd
Old women are ugly.
There's no way to not be an ugger bugger when you're a geezer.
I wear sunscreen because sunburns hurt and are gross.
All roasties that like to tan use sun screen yet they all age terribly. Staying outside the sun > sunscreen
does sunscreen prevent me from tanning?
Half the articles say one thing and the other half the opposite.
i wanted to ask the same question kek
Sunscreen is never 100% reliable even at high spf unless you tack on an thick layer or it and keep reapplying, I still tan regardless.
Probably. I'm covered in moles and live in a sunny place in Oz. I'm thinking a little every day too keep the tan and minimize excess exposure. I think it's regular burning which causes cancers. But by the time you're 60-70 your number is coming up eventually. Unless you've been a Chad your whole life it was over before it started.
>Artificial chemicals are good for you
You should drink Bleach, it's mostly water and it's 100 percent cleaner than anything from nature. Are you guys not Bleachmaxxing?
Why is IST so afraid of sunscreen?
check active ingredients to make sure you have a mineral sunscreen (usually zinc oxide), avoid chemical sunscreens
it's basically just this. safe way to apply and use sunscreen and getting all the benefits thereof without chemicals. IST as always is composed of ugly, balding, dyel gays
>inb4 projection
I will continue looking great for decades whilst you unironically committ suicide because you're full of wrinkles with a norwood 4 at 30 years old
if you dont use it you get cancer
but heres the kicker: if you use it you get cancer too
It's impractical to actually block sun for any extended period.
You have to put it on thick and then reapply it every hour. You're not practically getting enough coverage to get 100 spf or whatever is claimed on the label. It can help a little bit you shouldn't rely on it to avoid sun damage. Instead limit your time outside or put a barrier between the sun and you as the primary tactic. If you need sunscreen for the couple minutes you have to be out,on exposed parts of skin fine. But you're not realistically putting on sunscreen and going out for a few hours without taking massive rads.
Download the app "Yuka" and scan the barcode of the nearest bottle you can find. Most have ingredients which can be carginogec or endorcrine disruptorsa
it absorbs the suns rays before they can damage your skin
one reason I'm glad the 100% peanuts butter is becoming a fad, it's become cheaper than before
still dunno if bean oil is as bad as regular sneed, but I don't buy it too often
"o-oh no! I will exposure my skin to sunlight for 7 minutes at 6:49 (living in temperate zone) (applies over a gallon of sunscreen)"
if you don't live between tropic of cancer and tropic of capricorn (or close) sunscreen is a meme, moisturizer is enough if you want to take care of your skin
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26992108/
>"Women with active sun exposure habits were mainly at a lower risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) and noncancer/non-CVD death as compared to those who avoided sun exposure"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7400257/
>Studies in the past decade indicate that insufficient sun exposure may be responsible for 340,000 deaths in the United States and 480,000 deaths in Europe per year, and an increased incidence of breast cancer, colorectal cancer, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, autism, asthma, type 1 diabetes and myopia.
Many such cases
Just don't be retarded and roast your skin for hours on end between 11am-2pm in the summer
Get a light tan, do NOT get burned
Imagine being this retarded. Vitamin D exists and it's like a burrito for a year supply.
At the specified time is when you get uvb. That's exactly when you need to be in the sun. But 20 min is enough.
don't wear sun cream
just stay out of the sun when it is really intense
Does SPF matter?
It does, go for highest you can afford, take into account the actual coverage is less than advertised because no one likes a thick tacky layer. It’s why you look for the shade regardless if you use sunscreen or not
It steals your tan and vitD gains. If you're going to spend all day outside sure it's better than getting burned otherwise no.
You only need 10-15 mins of sun exposure for max daily vit d production, any more is sun damage
To add to this, you don’t even need to expose your face and it’s not recommended, expose your arms and legs instead.
That sounds like something a garden gnome would say.
garden gnomes would probably bake under the sun so you are probably not too far off kek
No. It's a stimulus that creates adaptation and makes you look healthy. 10-15 mins must be the maximum if you're standing in the equator in the middle of the day otherwise it's way too little time to do anything.
I live nearby the equator, if you live in northern 6 month snow frozen hellscape by all means knock yourself out, it’s useful to check your vit d levels once in a while anyway.
btw I’d see Canadians overdo it and bask directly under the summer sun for half a fucking day, lunatics think looking like a cooked lobster is healthy.
People apply sunscreen to the face. You can still get vitd by having your arms exposed to the sun.
Well I'm Irish so I personally don't prefer my skin peeling off after blistering.
sun bad
pharma good
carnivore diet and you won't need sunscreen
this board is so terrified of anything synthetic that they would rather call sunblock goyslop than accept that getting sunburned is literally damaging cells and mutating dna. the pros outweigh any identifiable cons.
IST in general is contrarian incarnate
huh, no wonder bandit was so anal about the kids staying in the shade......
You'll notice that before sunscreen came along there was basically no reports of skin cancer. Ancient times? no skin cancer. WW1? no skin cancer. Sun screen causes skin cancer and then they tell you sun screen is the way to stop it, it's fucking genius.
seed oil too
sunscreen and toothpaste threads really bring out the schizos
WHY WONT ANYONE NAME ACTUAL PRODUCTS OR BRAND NAMES
SPOONFEED MEE REEEEEEEEEEEE
japanese sunscreen
Avene is pretty good, my skin gets a smooth feeling. La Roche too but where I live it is more expensive
>destroys your argument
Very based. Also it's a sun hat that doesn't look super queer.
What if instead of using sunscreen you limited sun exposure either by seeking out shade or wearing protective clothing? I can't imagine sunscreen blocks everything harmful from the sun. Basting your skin in oily chemicals to prevent burning seems like a poor choice compared to simply not roasting your skin in the sun.
Staying in the shade is obviously the best solution, if it's an available option. If you have to work in a field all day I suppose that would be difficult, it would be too hot to wear full clothing. I often wear long-sleeve surf shirts that are super thin so they give shade but don't trap heat. Especially a white one would be useful for reflecting even more sunlight.
I have light weight white long sleeve under armor shirts and leggings and a wide brimmed hat and that works well. It might look a little goofy but I don't care.
I’ve picked up same habits as well and now cringe at the goofy ass mad lads that parade shirtless or cropped tank tops on 1pm summer sun.
>Willfuly rubbing endocrine disrupting chemicals on yourself just to avoid a little sun.
If you aren't naked and in the summer sun every day and you do this you are a grade A retarded moron.
If you are constantly exposed to sunlight through windows you’re still going to receive UVA and UVB radiation, for the exception of front windshield windows or windows produced at similar high quality (aka most likely not your workplace or rented apartment)
fag
Esiest and most effective aspect of skincare
i either use sunscreen, or i can't move the next day because i am so burned and my skin will be super tight.
it forms a screen between your skin and the sun. if you need more of a "red pill" explanation than that then you are stupid