I've read the sticky and it says SS worked countless times but everyone on here call SS a meme? Should I do ppl instead?
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I've read the sticky and it says SS worked countless times but everyone on here call SS a meme? Should I do ppl instead?
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If you just care about strength do SS, if you want aesthetics do PPL
The sticky hasn't been updated in like 10 years.
It's called STARTING STRENGTH for a reason. It'll get your numbers up very, very quickly, to build a strength foundation for you to specialize with. Afterwards you can choose what goal your after, some choose aesthetics (PPL), some choose powerlifting (5/3/1 or UL) and anything in between.
Don't let IST demoralize you, SS works for what it's intended to do.
Don't be memed into doing it for more than a few months.
This, it's good for getting familiar with the movements and establishing your ability levels. Add volume asap.
The sticky used to unironically tell you to go to R3ddit
Check out phraks GSLP
I prefer it as a starter program, more balanced
This is the routine you want
I do not have enough time for this in the morning
>add 2.5-5kg every time, 6 days a week
>It'll get your numbers up very, very quickly
how the absolute frick? I've been lifting for 6 months now - granted, at a caloric deficit for fat loss - and I've found that after the initial few sessions of basically working up to the weight at which I do 5 reps to near failure or failure, I can't add any more weight. Session after session I can only do that weight, and that's it. The only lifts I had appreciably go up were OHP and Deadlifts, because I had never really done them before. Even so, all my lifts are fricking pathetic.
How the frick do people pull off linear progressions and keep them going for months on end? I hear you're supposed to get to 1/2 on a linear progression at the very least, yet mine is 0.67/1
It's easy if you eat at a surplus.
I'm 2 months into the Reddit PPL and I've added 2.5kg to my bench and OHP every week so far
have you hit your failure load yet? as in, have you ever had a weight where you would fail at 5 reps before but can now do more than 5?
sometimes I wonder if this linear progression stuff is just people being naturally much stronger than me and working up to their limit more slowly
Actually yeah I should have mentioned I've only hit 4 on the last set once or twice but would get it next time. I'm also getting six reps occasionally after increasing the weight.
I also have muscle memory on my side and a 200 calorie surplus.
you aren't eating right
Are you on creatine? Are you eating 1g/lb of protein?
>creatine
no
>protein
yes
In what way? Can anything other than calories and protein radically alter your strength progression (or lack thereof)? I've read the sticky and everything else that gets thrown around often, but from what I've gathered until you're an intermediate lifter a lot of the secondary shit shouldn't really matter.
Do people really quickly exceed their former failure loads as per
? I really struggle to believe this. Isn't it more likely the average dude can already just about bench 2pl8 and just needs working up to it for safety reasons?
You're in a caloric deficit, so naturally your progress will be slower than that of someone in a caloric surplus.
Don't lose motivation. Your muscles have a harder time adjusting and actually growing when your main focus is weight loss. Body recomposition works, but very slowly. You'll get there. Once you're at a comfortable body fat percentage you can add more calories and those numbers WILL go up.
If you are on a cut you will get little to no progress, you can only hope to not lose muscle mass and any "progress" you make is most likely due to improved technique instead of extra muscles
machine lifting homosexual bullshit with no barbell rows or dips
It literally has barbell rows in the pull day.
Barbell rows are garbage for hypertrophy anyway
can vouch for this, made most of my gains on this program
What did you move to after it?
It will make you strong very quickly
It won't make you look good. Even the opposite often times
If you just want to be strong and compete in powerlifting, it's the best beginner program
If you want to be good looking and aesthetic, look elsewhere
I don't think even /plg/ recommend it nowadays
/plg/ recommends half repping
>starting
If you remember that your fine.
SS got chin ups, so add curls to the day youre not doing chins. add chest isolation to OHP day. do BB rows instead of powercleans. and do an extra set of 8 reps on the parts you want to grow more(its in the book)
This way the program ends up being balanced. SS lacks upper back, bicep and chest work. these changed makes it a good program
It works and it works just about every time. But people have bad experiences of it because of the expectations people have to it, which they get because people are moronic and give them wrong information. Including rip and his friends.
You should do the routine as a entry routine in to lifting, but you should not it and expect to get strong as frick or impressive numbers. Look at as an introduction to training where you learn a few key lifts and some other basic introductory things. Things like warming up, structuring a workout, training hard, trying hard, focusing hard on the lift and getting quality instead of quantity, getting to experience progress. This only takes like 2-3 months and after that the routine stops working for many people and you should move on to a routine that introduces a new variations of exercises, some new exercises, new rep ranges, more volume on some bodyparts/movement patterns.
SS can be a huge meme, but it can also be a decent introduction to training. Avoid the memes like GOMAD, dirty bulking, staying on it for too long time, expecting to hit certain numbers and feeling like a failure when you don't do, and then keep trying to do it while eating more and getting fat.
please, for the love of god, do this
i did SS, and did this, and it improved my physique immensly, while it didnt hinder my actual strength progress