Running

>Humans are literally built for it
>Everyone can do it naturally
>It isn't enjoyable at all
Why is this? If we're born to run, shouldn't we have some inner urge to run, like horses and doges?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is fun. There are endorphins, meathead. I'm fat and I just ran around an oval; it was the best I felt all week and now I have no need to go on spending sprees on vidya or manga.
    I ate at most 1800 calories today and burned about 500. I will become skinny through running.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>It isn't enjoyable at all
      speak for yourself fatass
      warm summer night + eurobeat music = 10km of euphoria

      Everyone wants to lift, nobody wants to run. That's how it is. It should be the opposite.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is literally just not true. First google result shows that 15% of AMERICANS participate in some sort of running or jogging. While less than 10% have a gym membership. And you might say "b- but they arent really running!!!!!" yeah, the people that have planet fitness membership and go there once in 3 months are not really going to the gym either.

        Running is LITERALLY more popular than lifting. Your tiktok algorithm infested personal bubble does not represent the rest of the population.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>It isn't enjoyable at all
    speak for yourself fatass
    warm summer night + eurobeat music = 10km of euphoria

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What sustainable pace should I aim for at 10km? I know it changes as you get older, but I'm in my mid 20s.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm early 30s. My PR for 10k is like 46 minutes, my average pace is 49-52minutes.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Humans are literally built for it
    Humans are built for walking not running

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So why do we have feet instead of elephant stumps?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Also a slow jog which can be done almost infinitely with practice.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Humans are literally built for it
        Humans are built for walking not running

        Sprinting is the best exercise for fat burning and heart health. We weren't adapted to sprint towards prey or away from predators? That's absurd. Most primitive cultures (which was the natural state of man) were recorded as having a lot of running to and from tribes, until we got lazy by domesticating horses or even going via boat if it was coastal.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but I'm partial to the theory that the physiological adaptations for endurance running/jogging in humans were drive by our time as early hominids on the African plains when we were first developing a taste for meat.
          The proto-humans would wait for large predators to make a kill, and then either run towards it as a group and throw rocks etc to scare off the lions etc to take the kill for themselves, or else they'd wait until the primary predator group had eaten their fill, and then the proto-humans would run/jog towards the remains to seize the last scraps, the bone marrow etc, before vultures etc could scavenge the rest of the kill.
          I'm not convinced that persistence hunting as practised by some contemporary african tribes was ever a driving force of our physiological adaptations.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >persistence hunting
            Doesn't exist and never existed outside of religious ritual stuff.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's kind of what I'm driving at. It's only possible under an extremely niche set of environmental circumstances ie hot (but not too hot), extremely flat so prey can't hide behind terrain, sparse vegetation so prey can't hide in bushes, arid enough that prey can't submerse in water to rapidly cool etc etc.

              Either the entire modern human population evolved from a tiny bottleneck of proto-hominids that lived in such an environmental niche and chose one of the hardest and slowest ways to hunt, or our physiological adaptations for running were caused by other factors, such as the scavenging strategies I talked about in my other post.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's kind of what I'm driving at. It's only possible under an extremely niche set of environmental circumstances ie hot (but not too hot), extremely flat so prey can't hide behind terrain, sparse vegetation so prey can't hide in bushes, arid enough that prey can't submerse in water to rapidly cool etc etc.

            Either the entire modern human population evolved from a tiny bottleneck of proto-hominids that lived in such an environmental niche and chose one of the hardest and slowest ways to hunt, or our physiological adaptations for running were caused by other factors, such as the scavenging strategies I talked about in my other post.

            Chimps can reach speeds of 40km/h and they're not necessarily built for it. It could merely be a byproduct of their physiology more suited for some other task. But maybe you are right in that our long lost ancestor had to scavenge for the meat somehow, which meant short bursts of power, or a consistent running speed.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Chimps can reach speeds of 40km/h
              I'm calling bullshit on this. Can't find a single source online that cites any actual test or measurement of chimpanzee top speed. It sounds like a factoid or truism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's the usual case of
                >American education

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's the usual case of
                >American education

                >Can't find a single source online that cites any actual test or measurement of chimpanzee top speed.
                Retards, you work it out from their gait from their size, weight, as well as walking/slight running speeds.
                https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2013.10.002
                You will never into science with your ideological skepticism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Here, we provide a more comprehensive analysis of locomotor kinematics and mechanics, with a larger range of speeds (up to 3.58 m s−1)
                >3.58m/s = 8mph
                >we've calculated that chimps can run at 25mph, nearly as fast as Husain Bolt, the fastest recorded human on Earth
                >what? no we've never actually measured a chimp running at this speed, but our calculations prove it! Biology is just applied mathematics at the end of the day
                lmao ok
                might as well tell me it's true because it was revealed to you in a dream.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you even read the paper? Filtered, filtered, I say!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you? The fastest speed they had the chimps run at on treadmills was 3.58 metres per second, or 8mph. This does not prove that chimps can run at 25mph, no matter what cope you come up with.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't read the fucking intro even. It said they wanted low energy walking to slow running. From there, you can make calculations about gait, as is in the paper. They can work out efficiency of the physiology. You add all our knowledge of their fast twitch muscles as well as power, and we get a rough idea of their top speed.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >From there, you can make calculations about gait, as is in the paper. They can work out efficiency of the physiology. You add all our knowledge of their fast twitch muscles as well as power, and we get a rough idea of their top speed.
                So you admit they didn't measure chimps running at 25mph. Thanks for clarifying that.
                Please continue to cope by posting an excerpt from the paper that proves that chimpanzees are capable of actually achieving these speeds.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the paper that proves that chimpanzees are capable of actually achieving these speeds.
                I accept your concession.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Refusing to present evidence for your claim is how you prove your point?
                lmao OK
                You concede that chimps have never been measured running at 25mph and you refuse to even post the numbers you're relying on for a calculated, theoretical limit
                Give it up bro, stop simping for chimps so hard, they're not going to have sex with you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Here's some more context, since you keep dodging the fact their muscle composition is more powerful than ours.
                >The team went on to look at the muscle of chimps that had died of natural causes, which revealed that two-thirds of their muscle consists of fast-twitch fibres, whereas more than half of human fibres are slow-twitch. Fast-twitch fibres are more powerful, but use more energy and become fatigued faster.
                >This adds to the evidence that walking is considerably more energy-costly for chimps than for people. The results fit neatly with the idea that early humans evolved to walk or run long distances. It seems that we sacrificed some strength for greater endurance.
                Ergo, it's pretty easy to claim chimps are fast despite not really requiring it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>The team went on to look at the muscle of chimps that had died of natural causes, which revealed that two-thirds of their muscle consists of fast-twitch fibres, whereas more than half of human fibres are slow-twitch.
                You're comparing the fibre composition of the entire body when you should be looking at the fibre composition of the leg musculature.
                >The Gastrocnemius (calf) muscle is about 50% fast-twitch fibers and about 50% slow-twitch fibers. The Vastus Lateralis muscle (the biggest section of your quads) is about 69% fast-twitch fibers and about 32% slow-twitch fibers
                >Ergo, it's pretty easy to claim chimps are fast despite not really requiring it.
                Sure, if you're a retard who believes completely untested bullshit based on extremely speculative assumptions.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The hecking testerinos!!!
                If we had to test everything in science all the time, nothing would get done and no knowledge would be made. We are drawing from different systems and synthesising, breaking new territories, and opening up borders.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's ridiculous to claim that chimpanzees are typically capable of 25mph when it has never been documented or tested. A lot of things have been theorized based on calculations and shown to be completely wrong when tested.
                I can't even pin down a source for the original 25mph claim, let alone a coherent justification for it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/mammals/facts-about-chimpanzees/
                Here's someone with a masters in biological sciences repeating it. I'll find the SOURCE material if I have to, so that you stop whining about this "conspiracy".

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'll find the SOURCE material if I have to, so that you stop whining about this "conspiracy".
                It's very odd that you've used the word conspiracy in quotation marks, a word I haven't used once in this thread, almost as if you're trying to ad hom me by association with conspiracy theories and theorists.
                I never used that word and I never described any kind of conspiracy.
                An unfounded or untested claim doesn't become any more factual just because a highly qualified person has repeated it. She qualified in Biological Sciences but she works as a journalist. She's not even a kinesiologist or biomechanical specialist or chimp expert, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up her education as if it's relevant.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "Autodidact" detected. Get real.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, extrapolating is fine, but drawing a linear extrapolation from a very sparse sample of data points at the far end of your range is a big stretch. To the extent where I don't think the original paper even attempts to extrapolate Chimp running max speed from their study

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Checked.

                Also, NTA but the original statement was firstly 40 mph not ~25, plus the original statement pertained to their physiology allowing them to run fast, despite them not ever needing to do so in their way of living. Technically the actual speed they are capable of doesn't even matter in this scenario, case in point is, they could run much faster than they'd ever need to.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >40 mph
                No, the first statement was 40km/h which is around 25mph
                We don't know if their physiology allows them to run at 25mph if they've never been documented/measured running that fast.
                Reality is messy and has a way of ruining models and calculations.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hypothesis is not proof. They hypothesize.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you even read the paper? Filtered, filtered, I say!

                https://i.imgur.com/8o4ivHJ.png

                [...]
                >Can't find a single source online that cites any actual test or measurement of chimpanzee top speed.
                Retards, you work it out from their gait from their size, weight, as well as walking/slight running speeds.
                https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2013.10.002
                You will never into science with your ideological skepticism.

                Did I read the right paper? It made no mention of extrapolation to compare with humans as far as I could see. Searching for humans with control-f only has some minor comparisons about how Chimp walking is less efficient than human walking, but chimp running is somewhat comparable with human running.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Their hips are different so they can swivel around and they have longer strides. Walking is less efficient merely because of energy, really, because they're fast-twitch. The argument this whole time is that they're fast twitch which makes them fast, but not good at endurance. But that anon finds it impossible they can run quickly.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well the question is also how far? If they can prance 5 meters faster than Usain Bolt, but exhaust themselves after that, that's not very impressive "running", that's basically pouncing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think anyone said a chimp could pursue Usain Bolt in a 500 m race dude. It's still enough that they'd be able to efficiently fend for themselves or raid another chimp clan, which they do.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have doubts that a chimp could beat Bolt at the 100m dash.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Chimp speed was brought up in the context of possible selection pressures on human evolution leading to our physiological adaptations for bipedal running, with the implication that it didn't give us any advantages in terms of speed.
                But the original claim of chimp speeds reaching 40km/h seems to be hard to find.
                This anon said he would post the source of the claim but has either abandoned the thread or is unable to find a source for this claim

                https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/mammals/facts-about-chimpanzees/
                Here's someone with a masters in biological sciences repeating it. I'll find the SOURCE material if I have to, so that you stop whining about this "conspiracy".

                I've looked myself and the internet just seems to be a circle of websites referencing each other as the source of the claim.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Learn how to read the poster count. I am the person you responded to, twice.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And yet you've not posted the original source of the 25mph claim yet. It doesn't exist outside of some idle speculation that has been repeated as gospel.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like this?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah something like that. Big cats are massive p ussies. Even without a bow and arrow, rocks would suffice.
              Magic flying punches > sharp teeth

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is the Hoff so hot, actually looksmogs dwayne

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Humans are literally built for it
    Built for what exactly….?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Planetary domination

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Human feet were designed for climbing, what we have today is an awkward degenerated monkey paw that can longer grab with confidence while not having enough hardness or bounce for running or longterm strides. This is why our feet still have so many nerve endings to the point of getting ticklish at a touch even though there's no evolutionary advantage for running species to be so keen with their feet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tickling teaches you how to protect vulnerable areas for a fight. It makes sense we'd want to protect our precious feetsies instead of being hoovedcucks.
      But tickling can also lead to sexual success, as even female mice that get tickled by other male mice tend to mate more. Human (female) women equally love to be tickled.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Another evolutionary disaster - footfags

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >human
    >supposedly built to run
    >not even overweight
    >try to run on a treadmill
    >use proper shoes
    >make a conscious effort not to heel strike and keep a proper form
    >my knee hurts like fuck the next day and can barely move

    Yeah fuck running, I'll stick to swimming.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do my knees hurt?
      >You've never used them before

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My man I average 15k steps daily (not bragging at all since it should be normal, simply stating that I actually walk and move), but for some reason the act of running absolutely obliterates my left knee.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>Why do my knees hurt?
          >>You've never used them (for anything more than walking) before

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Running puts approximately 5-6x more stress on your joints and tendons than walking. They also take something like 3-4x as long to adapt to new stressors as your muscles.
          You can't go straight from never running to strenuous or regular running.
          If you run regularly whilst growing up, your tendons and joints have as much time as they need to gradually strengthen with you as you grow and become heavier.
          If you start running for the first time as an adult you're starting with a massive handicap.
          The problem lies with you, it is not inherent to running as an activity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >use proper shoes
      Run barefoot, retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't run on a treadmill shit sucks ass go into the woods.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >try to run on a treadmill

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer cycling
    >can go faster and further than you
    >can carry more cargo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Problem with cycling is I live in a city and more or less have to at least kind of obey some traffic laws. Running I just roon wherever the fuck I want and dart across traffic at my leisure.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dotheyreally.jpg
        I can be out of my city in 5 mins and ride on country roads.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is this? If we're born to run, shouldn't we have some inner urge to run, like horses and doges?
    We do, children have to be constantly told not to fucking run everywhere. Also running is extremely fun and feels good.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It isn't enjoyable at all
    Maybe for you it isn't. Once I pass a certain point I'm just rooning and it's pure fucking bliss.

    Literally just rooning.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    running is fun af for me, I'd run all the time if it weren't for injuries

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