Salt

Is it really as bad as doctors say? Should we avoid it?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    salt is good for you and you can eat as much as you want
    salt your food to taste
    stop falling for boomer memes
    https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/salt.shtml

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh sodium intake

      Nah, that shit is a meme. Sodium consumption is only relevant to homies with heart conditions.

      Makes my heart pound for a few hours after a realllly salty meal, like going out for a bowl of ramen, or having hot pot. Don't think it's bad as people used to say though if you are otherwise healthy. Pretty sure the general consensus now is that while it DOES raise blood pressure, it's only for a little while while because more salt in your blood = more water in your blood because osmosis = more pressure. Your kidneys will do their job and you will piss them out. In my opinion having less salt than you need is more dangerous, especially if you are hitting cardio a lot and sweating out a lot of those electrolytes.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think I could milk him

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what he's up to in prison

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          trading his ass for butter packets so he can lose those last 100 lbs

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ray Peat is not keto, he's the most extreme opposite.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/2n4FOjY.png

        be honest, you got this from KF didn't you? i reverse searched that pic and it led me to a jimmy moore page on KF. you kiwigays should rope yourselves for being a bunch of terminally online autists

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice cult leader you have there

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why yes, I too take health advice from a dead man who ate nothing but wheat germ for an extended period of time

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this guy the head of some local KKK? Why do wanna be nazis love him so much?

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    you should be using salt instead of walshart flavouring powder

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh sodium intake

    Nah, that shit is a meme. Sodium consumption is only relevant to homies with heart conditions.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Makes my heart pound for a few hours after a realllly salty meal, like going out for a bowl of ramen, or having hot pot. Don't think it's bad as people used to say though if you are otherwise healthy. Pretty sure the general consensus now is that while it DOES raise blood pressure, it's only for a little while while because more salt in your blood = more water in your blood because osmosis = more pressure. Your kidneys will do their job and you will piss them out. In my opinion having less salt than you need is more dangerous, especially if you are hitting cardio a lot and sweating out a lot of those electrolytes.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have too much salt you will feel thirsty, just drink water and piss the extra salt away

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you have to little salt you will feel thirsty, drink water and just piss it all out because there is not enough salt in your body to hold it. By upping your salt intake to healthy levels your body will store the water, you will stop feeling thirsty, drinking water all day and pissing 20 times per day like you had beetus and your muscles will stop twitching

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This one time I did a challenge and chugged 200mls of water with a lot of salt (saltier than sea water for sure)
    I puked my guts out 5 mins later. So there's a diet hack for you fatties right there

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doctors say that your are a homosexual. Look it up

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Longevity is very much tied to salt intake. Consuming salt in even moderate amounts when you’re 40+ will vastly increase your chances of chronic renal disease and hypertension. You can get by if you excercise, drink a lot of water, have a high potassium and a low protein diet, but the older you get, the higher the risk.

    t. medgay

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I read some studies that niacin cures kidney disease yet you gays say it's incurable

      I can't trust any of you c**ts anymore. Tongue my ass vegtroony

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Haven’t heard about that. Kidney damage is basically permanent and while your kidneys will adapt to you treating them badly, their anatomy will remain damaged; what will adapt is their physiology. Add to this damage the eventual damage that aging produces. I don’t advocate for being vegan, because that by itself has its health risks, but the best way to achieve longevity, assuming cancer doesn’t cuck you, is a low salt, active lifestyle, with normal-minimal protein (60-80g)

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I WILL NOT EAT THE BUGS

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2023
      >thinking salt causes hypertension

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        More sodium > more sodium retention > hypertension
        It’s not something that’s arguable. Remote tribes which have no sodium intake in their diets have no hypertension

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Remote tribes which have no sodium intake in their diets have no hypertension
          They also don't have a lot of other shit

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          they dont have to finna pay taxes either

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why are medgays too moronic to understand the concept of spurious correlation?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's spurious about it?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Z = being a sedentary fat frick who only eats goyslop
              X = salt consumption
              Y = mortality

              Replace salt consumption with meat consumption and you have got yourself the vegcuck fallacy

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because medgays are actually fricking morons

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don’t understand basic renal physiology. These two things are intrinsically related to each other

            https://i.imgur.com/8t97IAI.jpg

            We would all be dead if the body worked so dysfunctionally as you claim here. Salt according to cravings lowers aldosterone (salt retention hormone) and that flushes out excess water and lowers blood pressure, since the body doesn't have to aggressively hold onto salt when an ample amount is provided.

            Your body, when retaining salt, retains water. Keep this up and you will lose blood pressure, making the filtration rate in the kidneys lower. The kidneys only
            care about maintaining this filtration rate at a steady rate, so they release angiotensin 2, slowly causing a systemic response, and giving you systemic hypertension

            [...]
            [...]
            What about the fact that the japanese men consume on average 13g of sodium per day and yet they are just fine? My guess would be the caloric intake restriction is helping somewhat, maybe they have decreased blood volume because and that compensates?

            Not trying to butt heads like a moron, genuinely curious since we have so called experts on the line.

            Japanese people aren’t saved. They constantly die from cardiovascular problems or hemorrhagic strokes, that are exacerbated by…. Hypertension

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          We would all be dead if the body worked so dysfunctionally as you claim here. Salt according to cravings lowers aldosterone (salt retention hormone) and that flushes out excess water and lowers blood pressure, since the body doesn't have to aggressively hold onto salt when an ample amount is provided.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you don't execrcise and drink water you die earlier
      NO
      FRICKING
      SHIT
      SHERLOCK

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're full of shit. Even israeli Wikipedia says it's probably pointless for healthy people to limit salt.

      As of 2009 the average sodium consumption in 33 countries was in the range of 2,700 to 4,900 mg/day. This ranged across many cultures, and together with animal studies, this suggests that sodium intake is tightly controlled by feedback loops in the body. This makes recommendations to reduce sodium consumption below 2,700 mg/day potentially futile.[42] Upon review, an expert committee that was commissioned by the Institute of Medicine and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that there was no health outcome-based rationale for reducing daily sodium intake levels below 2,300 milligrams, as had been recommended by previous dietary guidelines; the report did not have a recommendation for an upper limit of daily sodium intake.[27][43]

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        From the first study in the screencap you linked: "In those individuals with hypertension (6835 events), sodium excretion of 7 g/day or more (7060 [11%] of population with hypertension: hazard ratio [HR] 1·23 [95% CI 1·11–1·37]; p<0·0001) and less than 3 g/day (7006 [11%] of population with hypertension: 1·34 [1·23–1·47]; p<0·0001) were both associated with increased risk compared with sodium excretion of 4–5 g/day"
        https://repositorio.udes.edu.co/entities/publication/ba9bf987-e42a-459a-9fa2-95cb6f16d066

        This clearly indicates you should limit salt. You can't just label everything that limits your addictions to be israeli propaganda.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's no use talking to these people. They think the medical field being wrong on many things means it's wrong on all things. The user base of this site is so young they just haven't ran into problems yet. The link between salt consumption and BP is real and you can even measure it yourself if/when you get hypertension

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the higher the BP the worse for your health
            >I sure as hell LOVE having a BP of 80/60 and fainting every time I stand up

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      From the first study in the screencap you linked: "In those individuals with hypertension (6835 events), sodium excretion of 7 g/day or more (7060 [11%] of population with hypertension: hazard ratio [HR] 1·23 [95% CI 1·11–1·37]; p<0·0001) and less than 3 g/day (7006 [11%] of population with hypertension: 1·34 [1·23–1·47]; p<0·0001) were both associated with increased risk compared with sodium excretion of 4–5 g/day"
      https://repositorio.udes.edu.co/entities/publication/ba9bf987-e42a-459a-9fa2-95cb6f16d066

      This clearly indicates you should limit salt. You can't just label everything that limits your addictions to be israeli propaganda.

      It's no use talking to these people. They think the medical field being wrong on many things means it's wrong on all things. The user base of this site is so young they just haven't ran into problems yet. The link between salt consumption and BP is real and you can even measure it yourself if/when you get hypertension

      What about the fact that the japanese men consume on average 13g of sodium per day and yet they are just fine? My guess would be the caloric intake restriction is helping somewhat, maybe they have decreased blood volume because and that compensates?

      Not trying to butt heads like a moron, genuinely curious since we have so called experts on the line.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        genetics is usually the copout answer

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not really a cop out answer. Black people are notoriously more susceptible to kidney problems eg. some medical formulas to calculate peoples kidney function have to factor in if someone is black. genetics will also influence how salt sensitive your kidneys are. If you transplant a healthy salt resistant kidney, to a man whose lived 10 years with hypertension, this will “cure” his hypertension (because this new kidney hasn’t been raped by years of being obese, and eating processed and high salt food)

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I eat tons of goyslop fast food (full of salt) and also generally salt my food like a mofo anddoctors always commanded me on my very low blood pressure

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice fake story ya dingus

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's not wrong. I eat tons of salt and my BP is usually around 110/65. IST would consider me fat too.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    table salt yes
    sea salt no

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It makes me wonder
    Observing normies around me and how little water they drink, it kind of makes you wonder just how awful a high salt diet is for these people

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      actually you are a normie cold brain moron prolactin aldosterone elemental

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          go back to kiwifarms

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          homie we are rayp eaters here, we are going to kill you two dimensional homosexuals.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Observing normies around me and how little water they drink, it kind of makes you wonder just how awful a high salt diet is for these people
      This. At work I carry around a glass bottle that I periodically refill throughout the day with RO water. To the point that it's become a meme.

      All the normie co-workers only seem to carry around the standard BPA goyflasks and I've never once seen anyone refilling their water. Even if you have one of those big ones I would need to refill it 3x a day to function optimally.

      Sometimes i wonder if there's something wrong with me but when you look at the state of health in this country and how fricked up the average person is I think it's no wonder.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Salt is caustic and explosive.
    It literally explodes your cells.
    The only reason people drink so much water (WHICH THEY SHOULDNT), is because they eat so much god damn salt.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Salt is caustic and explosive.
      >It literally explodes your cells.
      QRD?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Quote of Aajonus from Q&A on 9/26/2010: "Salt is a terrible chemical, an explosive. Sodium, when isolated, is more explosive than nitroglycerine.The military gave General Electric two billion dollars over the last 60 years to make an explosive out of sodium. Couldn’t do it. One to 2% temperature change and it explodes. One block of pure sodium is worse than an atomic bomb and would level a city. They put salt on freshly slaughtered frog legs and they jumped all over the place for three minutes – spasmed the entire time. Salt is a dangerous chemical. It’s why the king and queen of England went into the business; it made slaves of people. Salt is salt no matter the source. It’s concentrated sodium. When it goes into your body it isolates it into pure sodium so it goes around clumping together and blowing up cells."

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ''I recommend that you never use salt. It irritates nerves and destroys cells. When you feel anger or rage, do not eat cooked meat and, frequently, eat small amounts of cooked starch with tons of raw fat.''

          ''I believe Dad’s trauma never healed because his nerves didn’t properly heal. He didn’t eat raw meat. And he ate a lot of salt, which causes high blood pressure in the brain (the main reason for headaches ). His high salt intake along with his tremendous adrenaline flow made Dad extremely irritable, sometimes violent and regularly
          suffered migraines. I believe that almost all violent and antisocial behavior has biochemical and biological roots because I have witnessed that it can be turned on, off or mitigated by what a person eats. And I have seen that if we don’t become aware and take care, our relationships and lives fall victim to our biochemical imbalances.''

          ''I worked with people who had long histories of headaches. Ninety percent of these people ate a lot of salt. When they stopped consuming all types of condiment salts (which are radical, that is, harmful), including sea salt, they stopped having frequent headaches.
          Periodically their headaches returned. Whenever the headaches returned, I had their blood and urine analyzed. Each analysis showed sodium molecules clumping - just as if they had recently consumed condiment salts. They assured me they hadn’t. Also, all of the analyses showed high levels of dead cells, especially liver and brain cells. The
          conclusion I drew was that radical salts had stored in the body and killed the surrounding cells by dehydrating them. I realized that the salt and dead cells in the blood and urine indicated that the body was cleansing salt and dead cells. And that salts store throughout the body, especially in the brain and sometimes liver and brain.''

          Lmfao Black person go outside

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            no u.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ''I recommend that you never use salt. It irritates nerves and destroys cells. When you feel anger or rage, do not eat cooked meat and, frequently, eat small amounts of cooked starch with tons of raw fat.''

          ''I believe Dad’s trauma never healed because his nerves didn’t properly heal. He didn’t eat raw meat. And he ate a lot of salt, which causes high blood pressure in the brain (the main reason for headaches ). His high salt intake along with his tremendous adrenaline flow made Dad extremely irritable, sometimes violent and regularly
          suffered migraines. I believe that almost all violent and antisocial behavior has biochemical and biological roots because I have witnessed that it can be turned on, off or mitigated by what a person eats. And I have seen that if we don’t become aware and take care, our relationships and lives fall victim to our biochemical imbalances.''

          ''I worked with people who had long histories of headaches. Ninety percent of these people ate a lot of salt. When they stopped consuming all types of condiment salts (which are radical, that is, harmful), including sea salt, they stopped having frequent headaches.
          Periodically their headaches returned. Whenever the headaches returned, I had their blood and urine analyzed. Each analysis showed sodium molecules clumping - just as if they had recently consumed condiment salts. They assured me they hadn’t. Also, all of the analyses showed high levels of dead cells, especially liver and brain cells. The
          conclusion I drew was that radical salts had stored in the body and killed the surrounding cells by dehydrating them. I realized that the salt and dead cells in the blood and urine indicated that the body was cleansing salt and dead cells. And that salts store throughout the body, especially in the brain and sometimes liver and brain.''

          how to spot a terminally online person 101

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I was expecting actual data, not Aajonus schizo rants.
          >from the guy who thinks honeyed butter

          [...]

          for hydration
          I appreciate the effort though. I do enjoy me some schizo content. Still not going to eat raw meat.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol
            yeah i thought it was a good opportunity to add some flare to this thread.

            raw meat as a staple is dumb. i'll make a tartare every now and then but that's about it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        ''I recommend that you never use salt. It irritates nerves and destroys cells. When you feel anger or rage, do not eat cooked meat and, frequently, eat small amounts of cooked starch with tons of raw fat.''

        ''I believe Dad’s trauma never healed because his nerves didn’t properly heal. He didn’t eat raw meat. And he ate a lot of salt, which causes high blood pressure in the brain (the main reason for headaches ). His high salt intake along with his tremendous adrenaline flow made Dad extremely irritable, sometimes violent and regularly
        suffered migraines. I believe that almost all violent and antisocial behavior has biochemical and biological roots because I have witnessed that it can be turned on, off or mitigated by what a person eats. And I have seen that if we don’t become aware and take care, our relationships and lives fall victim to our biochemical imbalances.''

        ''I worked with people who had long histories of headaches. Ninety percent of these people ate a lot of salt. When they stopped consuming all types of condiment salts (which are radical, that is, harmful), including sea salt, they stopped having frequent headaches.
        Periodically their headaches returned. Whenever the headaches returned, I had their blood and urine analyzed. Each analysis showed sodium molecules clumping - just as if they had recently consumed condiment salts. They assured me they hadn’t. Also, all of the analyses showed high levels of dead cells, especially liver and brain cells. The
        conclusion I drew was that radical salts had stored in the body and killed the surrounding cells by dehydrating them. I realized that the salt and dead cells in the blood and urine indicated that the body was cleansing salt and dead cells. And that salts store throughout the body, especially in the brain and sometimes liver and brain.''

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        ''Oh, and your wife should not eat salt in or onanything.”“She craves salt! What’s wrong with salt?” Ray asks alarmed. It causes sodium molecules to clump in the blood. That reverses ion magnetism and pulls the guts (so to speak) from cells. The affected cells can no longer eat anything and they shrivel and die. Four little bitty grains of salt - including sea salt - destroy approximately two million red blood cells. It takes at least three hours to replace the blood cells and about 24 hours to cleanse the dead cells. During those processes important nutrients are leached from the blood and body. As a result, salt speeds aging.''

        “The craving for salt is symptomatic of a mineral deficiency. To satisfy her craving for salt, I suggest that your wife eat any or all of these foods: fresh raw tomatoes, no-salt-added raw cheeses, fresh celery juice and raw fish. (Eating raw shell fish, like oysters and clams, several times a month is particularly effective in quickly correcting a mineral deficiency.) These foods will supply a concentrated balance of minerals that the body can utilize easily and pleasurably.”

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        ''Table salt is a catalyst in the development of all diseases in most people. Mineral salts are plant-food, not food for humans. If they were food for humans, we could live on dirt. The vegetable kingdom makes wonderful use of mineral salts, in balanced ratios, to grow healthfully and strong. After they make the salts into bio-actively available
        substances, we can juice their leaves, stalks and roots to obtain concentrations of those salts. In our bodies, mineral salts that are not naturally present in food, imbalance our systems, causing many diseases, including cellular dehydration, edema, and bone diseases and malformations.''

        ''
        It is a fact that people need sodium but not necessarily salt. When people drink salt water, they get sick.
        Eating salt is helpful in cultures that eat only a little meat and lots of starch because those people are prone to tapeworms and excessive pinworms. Salt dehydrates intestinal parasites. Some salt is helpful to people who eat cooked food and cannot utilize enough sodium to counter all the toxicity that results from eating cooked foods. I said that people who have adrenal exhaustion should eat a little salt. I said that most people who eat a raw meat/egg/dairy/vegetable juice/fruit diet should not eat salt, including sea salt.''

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ''Oh, and your wife should not eat salt in or onanything.”“She craves salt! What’s wrong with salt?” Ray asks alarmed. It causes sodium molecules to clump in the blood. That reverses ion magnetism and pulls the guts (so to speak) from cells. The affected cells can no longer eat anything and they shrivel and die. Four little bitty grains of salt - including sea salt - destroy approximately two million red blood cells. It takes at least three hours to replace the blood cells and about 24 hours to cleanse the dead cells. During those processes important nutrients are leached from the blood and body. As a result, salt speeds aging.''

          “The craving for salt is symptomatic of a mineral deficiency. To satisfy her craving for salt, I suggest that your wife eat any or all of these foods: fresh raw tomatoes, no-salt-added raw cheeses, fresh celery juice and raw fish. (Eating raw shell fish, like oysters and clams, several times a month is particularly effective in quickly correcting a mineral deficiency.) These foods will supply a concentrated balance of minerals that the body can utilize easily and pleasurably.”

          There might be something to that. I was reading how they used salt-free diets like in the Gerson Therapy to cure people of cancer, also using vegetable juices.

          Not going to go eating raw meat though. And if salt is so bad, why isn't there any clinical data showing how terrible it is? And why do we crave excessive amounts of it?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think we crave salt because we probably drink way more liquids than we should. I don't subscribe to all of the Aajonus schizo stuff but I do think there's some merit to his aversion to salt.

            We like salt because it is comforting. Same way Peatards talk about it being anti-stress.

            The food we eat is constantly drawing moisture from our bodies, so we pound water and liquid, and then we piss out all of our electrolytes! So of course we'll crave salt, we just pissed it out with that 8 glasses of water we had throughout the day or mega cola at dinner.

            We are imbalanced. Cravings usually indicate some deficiency or imbalance, but it's not always a one to one.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Cravings usually indicate some deficiency or imbalance,
              Can. Not usually do.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not certain but when I limited salt my cardio improved, I felt better in general and had far less bloating. I didn't get the puffy face in the morning and looked consistent facially.

    When I eat a lot of salt I get a red and inflamed look. At the end of my low-salt experiment I did start to get a bit dizzy if I stood up too quickly so I put a stop to it. I think salt can be good but you shouldn't overdo it.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    next thing you'll tell me is that I need to have 8gorillion meals a day or i'll die from a starvation
    ffs I hate medgays adn their superhero syndrome, stop spouting old information
    if you have an active life style salt shouldn't be a worry at all, and if you're sedentary you have much more important stuff to worry about

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you’re avoiding salt make sure you’re supplementing iodine. Its one of the most important assets to your physical and mental help and most Americans are difficient

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No food is as bad as doctors or nutritionists say.

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