"saturated fat raises bad cholesterol levels"

I struggle to believe this is true, how do the Inuit along with some African tribes live a diet of pure meat, yet they have no heart problems and cholesterol problems?
How were people not dying of heart attacks during the ice age when they had nothing to eat but meat?
Humans have been around for 200k years and the majority of that was spent munching on meat and the occasional fruit.
Please tell me I'm wrong.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because saturated fat being bad for you is a meme manufactured by Procter&Gamble, the inventors of Crisco (and who funded the AHA) and Ancel Keys’ fraudulent research that included cherry-picking countries to show trends.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just the fact that heart disease increased so much in the last 100-200 years proves it's not meat, it's some new shit.
    For the diet part my money is on GMO corn/wheat, and sneed oils. They cause inflammation and damage all over the body, leading to damaged cholesterol (small dense LDL), damaged arteries (cholesterol accumulates in these damaged arteries) and other inflammation related disease

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The meat they ate was nothing like the meat we eat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How is different?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Modern day meat from domesticated animals that you buy in the store has been bread to be as fatty and as meaty as we can make them and they get very little physical activity on the farm. Tribal people were eating wild game that needed to be muscular in order to survive so their meat was super lean and had way less of a fat content than your typical modern farm cow or pig

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just eat lean cuts lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              lol yeah I agree with you but that’s not what this conversation was about, we’re talking about why heart disease is higher today, most people prefer fatty meats

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >some African tribes live a diet of pure meat, yet they have no heart problems and cholesterol problems?
    The Massai have CVD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >And what about that previous, imperfect assessment of heart disease? Dr. Mann, who published some of the early research, did an autopsy study of 50 Masai men and found that they had extensive atherosclerosis. They had disease (coronary intimal thickening) on par with older American men. Over 80% of the men over age 40 had severe fibrosis in their aorta, the main blood vessel from the heart that supplies the rest of the body with blood. Yet there were no heart attacks shown on autopsy and these men still had functional heart vessels without blockages because their vessels had become larger. Researchers thought this might have been related to their rather extreme daily physical activity.

        https://nutritionstudies.org/masai-and-inuit-high-protein-diets-a-closer-look/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >eat tons of fat that supposedly clogs arteries
          >vessels get larger so fat doesn't clog up
          so just get a lot of physical activity and I can eat all the fat I want?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >so just get a lot of physical activity and I can eat all the fat I want?
            And have Masai genetics

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They now get heart disease when they eat a Western diet just like the rest. They're not magically immune

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It'll be protective, you won't have the "sedentary" risk factor, but your overall life might still be shorter. The more risk factors you pile up, the more likely you get a heart attack or stroke. The fewer, the less likely. Your call on what's worth it. I don't think a strongman could do his job without eating a ton of steak for example, so he'll just have to eat that risk factor.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Modern day domesticated meat has been bread to be much fattier than what they ate, they were eating wild animals which were much leaner, also they got tons of physical activity and didn’t eat more then they were supposed to because of food scarcity. Also they didn’t eat only meat, they also ate whatever plants and berries they could forge for, and I’m sure they didn’t have “no heart problems” some of them certainly did, it’s just not as common. It’s not to say they didn’t have other health problems, intestinal problems were much more common due to things like parasites and other symptoms from shit they ate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only veg Eskimos had was from the stomach contents of walruses they killed and they ate a ton of fat. I'm with you on the they got more exercise point but you are generally misinformed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even when talking about ancient tribal groups the Inuit are a rare exception. Their bodies actually show signs of genetic adaptations caused by evolutionary processes, their bodies needed high amounts of animal fat to survive due to the harsh weather and living conditions, and today their diet has become more modernized. you are generally misinformed
        >t.Alaskan

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Be quiet fool. You know as much about ancient people's and their diets as you do anything else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lel not an argument, you know jack shit huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the same doctor that tells you not to eat fat would tell you to take hormones and chop off your dick if you came to him as an autistic porn addict with a fetish.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How were people not dying of heart attacks during the ice age when they had nothing to eat but meat?
    It's possible they were.
    https://www.livescience.com/62689-otzi-iceman-mummy-heart-disease.html

    Worth noting that heart disease is not something that kills you before reproductive age so it wouldn't be selected against. The most compelling argument I've seen for the why of the saturated fat and cholesterol thing, is something called "antagonistic pleiotropy." Which is basically where a tradeoff is made for early life, reproductive success in exchange for long term fitness. Living long and healthy is not really selected for evolutionarily, just reproductive success. There might be some fitness advantage to how we metabolize saturated fat earlier in life, especially in times of low calorie consumption, but it works against us if we acre about surviving past 40.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He belonged to the Early European Farmers, who mostly ate grain

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I struggle to believe any cholesterol is bad period and didn't start feeling strong and had good energy until I quit caring about it at all

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How were people not dying of heart attacks during the ice age when they had nothing to eat but meat?
    How do you know they weren't?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i was there

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FUCK the AHA and FUCK Incel Keys' seven countries study. They fucked us with their shit science.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keyes was right and lived to 100 years old

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        based keys respecter. a legit genius who received the most unfair posthumous character assassination of any famous scientist.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Keys was wrong and lived to be a rolling 100yr old skeleton.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          let's see how good you look at 100.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > let's see how good you look at 100.
            I doubt he’s going to make it to 70. He thinks butter and cheese are healthfoods

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              those fats should be replaced with carbs then, as per the AHA?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The dietary guidelines rec replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fats. Fish, legumes, nuts, avocados, olive oil and yes, seed oils even. There are some people that advocate super high carb diets, but that's not the guidelines.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Plenty of people live to 100. I would be more impressed if he made it to 100 in better shape.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think it's fair to mock him for needing a chair and being ugly at 100 years old. Now if he had dementia or was hooked up to tubes all the time, I would understand. But even making it all is something of an achievement. Even with all our technological might, it's still very uncommon.

              >Plenty of people
              That's stretching it, I think. It's well above the average life expectancy in any first world country. There's about 300,000 in the world. Drop in the bucket. Still an anecdote, but it's at least a good one for the Mediterranean diet.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I would be more impressed to see your current shape at your teen age.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Keyes was right
        The most rigorous experiment conducted testing his hypothesis disproved it, wasn't published for about 40 years, and strangely doesn't have his name on the original publication despite him being a principle investigator. Strange definition of being "right"
        >There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4836695/

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meat fat PLUS sugar causes health decreases.

    But ALSO, cows are now fed seeds more than ever, meaning their FAT is becoming similar to SEED OILS. And they are EXTREMELY bad for all aspects related to health INCLUDING your ability to pass a good grade on an IQ test.

    Get grass fed, grass finished, or buy fat SEPARATELY to add to meat that you pour the original fat off.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The idea of bad cholesterol came from office workers eating the same diet as people who are physically active.
    It all circles back to not being a lardass as usual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there is nothing wrong with any form of cholesterol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody is testing African tribes for heart disease.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Many missionary physicians did and the result was the same. No heart disease until they start eating a Western diet. Whether their original diet was high in meat and fat or low in meat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you have a study or are you relying on literally people who believe a man is god traveling halfway around the world to convince people who don't speak their language of it for truth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Hazda have been tested recently, they store no food at all and are a pretty good sample of a hunter-gatherer diet. Largely dominated by fruits, tubers, nuts and seeds, and their favorite food is honey. Of course, they also eat just about any meat they can get. Excellent biomarkers. Cholesterol levels are below 100. Blood pressure is also very low. I think I remember reading that their fiber intake exceeded 50g a day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        OK this is an argument against OPs fantasy that saturated fat is benign, but thanks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong thread but okay.

        >recently
        >2017
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27723159/

        It shows that being non-sedentary is healthy, something we know since ancient Greece at thelatest.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I struggle to believe this is true, how do the Inuit along with some African tribes live a diet of pure meat, yet they have no heart problems and cholesterol problems?
    Inuit do have massive heart problems. Massai have a life expectancy of ~40 years, as google tells me, and they generally dont eat much meat, contrary to internet wisdom.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the truth. People will hat on you for it but they are more attached to the idea that everything is permissible

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unrelated to OP's question, but is there a limit on the number of eggs one should eat daily? they're such a convenient source of calories, but i don't want to accidentally give myself a heart attack or something

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >convenient source of calories
      They are 70 calories an egg. And you have to cook them. There are a million other things that are more convenient and fast

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i drink them raw. 4 or 5 eggs takes 5 seconds to gulp down; it's easy to do after a meal too since my body doesn't even register them as food since they're liquid. it's an easy additional 300ish calories per meal

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well you are throwing away half the protein by doing that

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why is that? i don't eat them for protien either way tbh, i think they only have like 6g per egg. i get most of my protien from other foods and mostly just eat them for the easy calories. i'm just a bit concerned because it feels like eating 10 or more eggs per day could be end up being problematic, what with all the cholesterol in eggs. when i google it i get mixed results

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well yeah it is problematic dude. We've known this fr decades. Only recently has the keto trend reinvigorated (formerly Atkins) and started pushing saturated fat as fine

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Saturated fat is fine

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OK kid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not me saying it theres dozens of reviews of all the literature saying this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not going to argue with you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Youre not arguing with me youre arguing against the evidence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not going to argue with you

                pls just tell me if i should eat the eggs wtf guys

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OK kid.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                seethe
                >US nutritionists call for dietary guideline limits on saturated fat intake to be lifted
                >there is no strong scientific evidence that the current population-wide upper limits on commonly consumed saturated fats in the US will prevent cardiovascular disease or reduce mortality. A continued limit on these fats is not justified.
                https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4226

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OK kid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                keep seething
                >Multiple reviews of the evidence have demonstrated that a recommendation to limit consumption of saturated fats to no more than 10% of total calories is not supported by rigorous scientific studies.
                https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3305

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OK kid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                seeth.e
                >There is no robust evidence that current population-wide arbitrary upper limits on saturated fat consumption in the United States will prevent CVD or reduce mortality.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok kid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                seeethe
                >Maintaining general advice to reduce total saturated fatty acids will work against the intentions of the guidelines and weaken their effect on chronic disease incidence and mortality
                https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4137

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                keep seething
                >Multiple reviews of the evidence have demonstrated that a recommendation to limit consumption of saturated fats to no more than 10% of total calories is not supported by rigorous scientific studies.
                https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3305

                seethe
                >US nutritionists call for dietary guideline limits on saturated fat intake to be lifted
                >there is no strong scientific evidence that the current population-wide upper limits on commonly consumed saturated fats in the US will prevent cardiovascular disease or reduce mortality. A continued limit on these fats is not justified.
                https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4226

                Dude just stop replying why are you so obessed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Find it astonishing that the myth of the evil saturated fat still exists

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Good for you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                seethe?
                >Diets that replace saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat do not convincingly reduce cardiovascular events or mortality…[We] must consider that the diet-heart hypothesis is invalid or requires modification.
                https://ebm.bmj.com/content/26/1/3

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Meta-analyses of observational studies found no association between SFA intake and heart disease, while meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials were inconsistent but tended to show a lack of an association
                https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/78/6/474/5678770

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >In our analysis, the Mediterranean diet, modified dietary fat, reduced dietary fat, reduced saturated fat intake, omega-6 PUFA, or omega-3 ALA PUFA did not reduce the risk for mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.
                https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-0341

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24723079/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Intake of SFA was not significantly associated with CHD mortality, with a RR of 1.14 (95% CI 0.82–1.60, p = 0.431) for those in the highest compared with the lowest category of SFA intake (fig. 6). Similarly SFA intake was not significantly associated CHD events (RR 0.93, 95% CI 0.83–1.05, p = 0.269 for high vs. low categories). Moreover, there was no significant association with CHD death (RR 1.11, 95% CI 0.75–1.65, p = 0.593) per 5% TE increment in SFA intake.
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19752542/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Get a life bro

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Idk but it gives me acne

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    keep saturated fat to 25% of your total daily caloric intake. eat plenty of fiber, wholegrains and veges. psylium husk after each meal is a good method to help combat the negative effects of saturated fat on your arteries.

    once again, everything in moderation CHADS stay winning while orthorexic neurotic garden gnome-op victims stay seething!!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >keep saturated fat to 25% of your total daily caloric intake
      no evidence for this

      [...]
      pls just tell me if i should eat the eggs wtf guys

      dont get diet advice on IST but if you insist cook the eggs for more nutrients

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no good or bad cholesterol. There is only cholesterol. High-density lipoprotein and low-density lipoprotein just transport it around the body. The evidence that cholesterol is bad for you mostly comes from a group of Oxford studies, of which were mostly done on obese "people" and were funded by Pfizer, who owns the patent for stenol drugs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The evidence that cholesterol is bad for you mostly comes from a group of Oxford studies
      The CTT Collaberation, CTSU Oxford hold all the raw data on statin side effects yet don't allow outside review of the data and claim to be "independent" despite receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from statin drug manufacturers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy fuck

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unlike the average ketomoron lardass that thinks eating sticks of butter and ribeye steak is "good for you", th Inuits eat every part of the animal. Meat, organs, eyes, brain, blood... Everything other than bones and fur. However the average cucked goyslop addicted westerner isn't used to this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why does eating high fat makes vegans SEETHE this hard?

      Is it because its not actually about health but rather the 'morality' of eating animal foods?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cholesterol is just fat, and consuming too much fat is only a bad thing if you're a lazy fuck

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those groups live to a ripe old age of 50
    And not sitting down 24/7 probably has something to do with it

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